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Simms11 : 10/24/2013 9:22 am
I disagree with Dave Hutchinson's assessment of this situation. I certainly don't see Cordle as the future starting center on the line. I know he's doing the job now by default, but unless he shows better technique and strength over this year, he can't be seen as the answer IMO. He may be given an opportunity to compete against someone else in camp, but can't see him winning that job.

Additionally, I don't think Boothe has done that well at Guard. I don't think he has been a major concern, but I still think he is better suited as a reserve. Perhaps the Giants would consider bringing him back to compete with Cordle at Center next year.

In my mind, the whole interior line needs to be blown up and replaced with snot-knockers and linemen that are strong enough and athletic enough to get our running game going.

What say you?
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RE: No digging in of heels..I never heard him say that  
Victor in CT : 10/24/2013 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11297623 Big Blue '56 said:
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but it still is not the same as a player playing outstanding vs making outstnding plays at times..Yes, when I made the SM reference and had I known I would have to explain the difference I would have said "'aside from lauding outstanding plays here and there, I have rarely heard TC laud a Player's performance in general as outstanding(aside from the superstars that is)..


Excellent point. The Moss reference is the epitome of "a stopped watch is right twice a day".
Here he refers to  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:28 pm : link
Terrell Thomas as "...an outstanding football player."
http://videos.nj.com/star-ledger/2013/08/video_giants_head_coach_tom_co_11.html - ( New Window )
......  
JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:29 pm : link
Clearly you don't read his transcripts or watch his press conferences, because otherwise you would know he says it A LOT.
Cordle= Not good.  
drkenneth : 10/24/2013 1:29 pm : link
Can we move on?
as amusing as all of this is.....  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2013 1:30 pm : link
Things are very simple here. a)The OL has been horrible this year. b)While we're not all experts on the minutiae of line play, we can in fact easily see whether or not the line is opening holes for RBs and keeping QBs upright. c)Blitzing up the middle, as Gruden demonstrated during the game, has been a major problem for the Giants this season over the course of several weeks. d)The OL played well and the offense moved the ball well in the first quarter with Baas. The offense ground to a halt as soon as Cordle trotted onto the field.

As I said, you can appeal to authority all you want, but outside of coachspeak, there is no way on earth that Jim Cordle can be considered "outstanding".
give  
blue42 : 10/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
Cordle a break,,,,he's had limited playing time. He's had some tough moments but young guys usually do.He's done a good job with the line calls. The A gap stuff is on the guards too...both veteran players.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
Think about this. Tim Carter. TIM CARTER! He said Tim Carter does an outstanding job. Not made outstanding plays, but does an outstanding job. If I were you, I'd just admit that I am wrong and start trying to learn a little bit more about Coughlin as opposed to just turning your brain off and agreeing with everything he says or does. He's a great coach and a first class person, but he isn't infallible, and also has ulterior reasons for saying stuff (like saying Cordle is doing an outstanding job, which is hilarious).
Even David Carr!  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
"“We’ll miss David Carr around here, to be honest with you. He’s done an outstanding job directing our second offense and our scout team...."
http://www.footballstories.com/giants-release-david-carr-to-reduce-roster-to-final-53/ - ( New Window )
Ok, Ok,  
Rob in NYC : 10/24/2013 1:32 pm : link
but there is no fucking way you can find "oustanding" and "Sintim" in the same sentence....
Ok, I was wrong  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 1:33 pm : link
about this..
Cordle could also be doing an outstanding job  
mort christenson : 10/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
given his own limitations.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
One thing I did not realize so much, no matter what the context, Tom Coughlin sure does love the word "outstanding". It seems to be his go-to word about anything.
...  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
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This is Cordle's third season  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2013 1:35 pm : link
He's not a rookie.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:35 pm : link
I think mort basically nails it. Outstanding job by mort.
Mort - exactly  
Rob in NYC : 10/24/2013 1:35 pm : link
and in the same spirit, may I say you are an outstanding poster.:)
So close...  
GiantFilthy : 10/24/2013 1:36 pm : link
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According to Michael Eisen of Giants.com, The Giants believe Sintim can become an outstanding pass-rushing linebacker in the NFL.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:37 pm : link
Coughlin called Sintim an outstanding young man a lot, but not sure about him as a player. He probably did at some point.
For you Rob,  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:38 pm : link
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Just 19 spots later, the Giants pounced on Sintim, a 6’3”, 256-pounder who posted 11 sacks as a senior outside linebacker in Virginia’s 3-4 system.


...though not from TC.
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I definitely did an outstanding job on this thread.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 1:38 pm : link
Great job, Brett.
scratch that  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:39 pm : link
That was only in the comment section.

I jumped the gun
But that doesn't mean you're generally outstanding, Brett.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 1:40 pm : link
+ 1, Fiddy.
vibe is right. Fuck Brett.  
GiantFilthy : 10/24/2013 1:41 pm : link
+1 for vibe's +1 which gives Fiddy +2.
What would have been awesome  
Randy in CT : 10/24/2013 1:49 pm : link
is if TC said, "Cordle did an outstanding job...given his incredible limitations..."
Rob  
mort christenson : 10/24/2013 1:52 pm : link
Absolutely. As long as I do my best, I can sleep at night. Even if I suck.





(Tees up the ball for Rob's return)
If  
PaulN : 10/24/2013 2:04 pm : link
You call having Beatty and Pugh starting the start of it, then OK, but they are the only two guys that have a future or a chance of a future for the Giants on the OLine, and I agree that Boothe has not been very good at all. Cordle stinks, and Diehl we have beat to death, so I am not going there either. Giants need to add plenty to this Oline, they need 2 starting guards and a starting center, unless they move Pugh inside, then they need a guard, center, and tackle. Boothe, Brewer, Mosley and Cordle can have roles as backups next season, but this team needs 3 starters. If they add at least two, I can live with that, and plug in a backup to live with another year, like they are doing with bothe, although Boothe may need to be replaced next season, even as a backup, he has fallen off badly this season.
The worst of all  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 2:08 pm : link
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C.C. Brown played well.

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Ok guys  
GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 2:10 pm : link
lay off of 56..
We're picking on Brett, now.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 2:11 pm : link
Keep up.
No  
bob in tx : 10/24/2013 2:14 pm : link
mas.
When has Tom C ever publicly said a bad word about a player?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2013 2:14 pm : link
Even Matt Dodge.
If they're pleased with Cordle's play  
jeff57 : 10/24/2013 2:15 pm : link
we're in bigger trouble than I thought.
Boothe has had a decent grade from PFF  
jeff57 : 10/24/2013 2:17 pm : link
But he needs better people around him, or else move him to center.

The best solution for them is to draft Matthews and move Pugh to LG.
RE: Outstanding Googling, Brett.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 2:25 pm : link
In comment 11297612 vibe4giants said:
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And I'm not usually that effusive about people's Googling.


You know what my secret is?

I used Bing.
Dog pile on the rabbit!  
GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 2:29 pm : link
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You know who else did an outstanding job?  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 2:33 pm : link
Matt fucking Dodge.

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They both did an outstanding job and it was not an easy decision to make.

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JB you call me names?  
vince : 10/24/2013 3:02 pm : link
After all the vaseline I put on my dick so it wouldn't hurt you? I thought we had something going. I guess not. Now go take an enema, you weren't too clean last time.

Oh you can deny all you want ....but we know the truth.

Stand straight and pull up your pants and go to the bathroom!!!

I'm leaving for the movies and you can write whatever you want. There'll be no one here for you anymore. I'll give you back the key in the mail.
Vince is the best.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 3:03 pm : link
Wow.
Ether'd  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2013 3:09 pm : link
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cordle  
area junc : 10/24/2013 3:12 pm : link
plays much better when he practices with the starters and knows he's playing
RE: RE: Outstanding Googling, Brett.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 3:18 pm : link
In comment 11297860 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 11297612 vibe4giants said:


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And I'm not usually that effusive about people's Googling.



You know what my secret is?

I used Bing.


Bing? That a hilarious made up name! Classic Brett!
Suck it, vibe.  
BrettNYG10 : 7:44 am : link
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If you read the quote carefully,  
gersh : 8:14 am : link
he's not saying Cordle is an "outstanding" Center. He's not even saying Cordle is a good Center. He's only saying he's smart, prepared and has a good attitude.

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Q: Could you talk about Jim Cordle and how he has played?

A: He’s done an outstanding job. Originally he started to play, then Baas came back, then he had to go in for him during the course of the game, as well. He’s very smart. He keeps up with everything. He’s prepared to go. He has a nice demeanor about him, in terms of going into the game at whatever point. We would hope that would continue.


Coughlin is merely trying to be encouraging to a kid he would rather wasn't playing
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gersh : 8:19 am : link
I painfully read thru this...yes, Mort had it. Succinctly.
gersh, I admitted I was wrong..  
Big Blue '56 : 8:34 am : link
Interesting analysis by Joey on Cordle from the other night, however, fwiw..

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...C Jim Cordle again acquitted himself pretty well and seems to be settling in a bit at the pivot. Most of the inside pressure was honestly from guards Kevin Boothe and David Diehl simply not getting their hands on their Viking counterparts quickly enough. Cordle more than held his own inside against massive DT Kevin Williams...


Found one...  
"We thank Clint for all his hard work. However, before he leaves New Jersey he needs to return his outstanding library books. I hope he didn't try to color them."

-Tom Coughlin
Lol..  
Big Blue '56 : 8:44 am : link
Shit, I was hoping you wouldn't uncover that one and continue my beatdown on this thread..Bastid!
Sorry Fiddy  
gersh : 9:09 am : link
Didn't mean to pile on.
And with Joey's analysis aside, we need a new Center
Baas makes Tim Carter look durable
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gersh : 9:12 am : link
Actually Andre Brown may be the least durable guy we've had.
Hopefully that somehow changes
RE: Suck it, vibe.  
vibe4giants : 11:31 am : link
In comment 11298917 BrettNYG10 said:
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Who cares what search engine blind people use? They're not finding anything, anyway.
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