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Reconstruction of offensive line is underway

Simms11 : 10/24/2013 9:22 am
I disagree with Dave Hutchinson's assessment of this situation. I certainly don't see Cordle as the future starting center on the line. I know he's doing the job now by default, but unless he shows better technique and strength over this year, he can't be seen as the answer IMO. He may be given an opportunity to compete against someone else in camp, but can't see him winning that job.

Additionally, I don't think Boothe has done that well at Guard. I don't think he has been a major concern, but I still think he is better suited as a reserve. Perhaps the Giants would consider bringing him back to compete with Cordle at Center next year.

In my mind, the whole interior line needs to be blown up and replaced with snot-knockers and linemen that are strong enough and athletic enough to get our running game going.

What say you?
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what the....  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/24/2013 9:27 am : link
who the....

why I ought to....

who in the.....

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?


"The club is pleased with his play so far"

WTF is this guy smoking?
Plus Boothe  
Bill in UT : 10/24/2013 9:28 am : link
is 30 years old.
Agreed Clams!  
Simms11 : 10/24/2013 9:29 am : link
doesn't make any sense to me either, hence the post.
Maybe it was this quote from Coughlin where they got that idea  
Gman11 : 10/24/2013 9:33 am : link
Quote:
Q: Could you talk about Jim Cordle and how he has played?

A: He’s done an outstanding job. Originally he started to play, then Baas came back, then he had to go in for him during the course of the game, as well. He’s very smart. He keeps up with everything. He’s prepared to go. He has a nice demeanor about him, in terms of going into the game at whatever point. We would hope that would continue.
What is he watching??  
moze1021 : 10/24/2013 9:33 am : link
Cordle has no right being on an NFL field...
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moze1021 : 10/24/2013 9:34 am : link
I guess Coughlin disagrees... so I guess I'll take back my statement...
Cordle is the long term solution? WTF is this idiot looking at?  
Victor in CT : 10/24/2013 9:35 am : link
Boothe is the best C on the team right now. Pugh might be 2nd best and could wind up there in the future.
Show me a 1988/1989 type of reconstruction and I'll believe.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 10/24/2013 9:35 am : link
1988
1st Round - Eric Moore
1st Round - Jumbo Elliott
1989
1st Round - Brian Williams
3rd Round - Bob Kratch
So basically what he is implicating in that article  
nyjuggernaut : 10/24/2013 9:37 am : link
is the Giants will enter next season with basically the same OL that has had trouble protecting Eli and opening up holes in the run game this year. I don't see how that can be considered reconstruction.
The Giants loved them some....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 10/24/2013 9:38 am : link
....Big Ten O-Linemen back in the day!
Posted this on Defenderdawgs articles thread  
BlueHurricane : 10/24/2013 9:45 am : link
Would have fit better here.

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Where is this Jim Cordle has done a decent job crap coming from?
BlueHurricane : 9:43 am : link : reply
I re-watched the vikes game last night. I re-watch most games. He has been anywhere from horrid to bad. Now I will say he has gotten better since the Jets preseason game where he should have been told to turn in his equipment during the next cuts. Had that happened we would most likely be in better position right now with having a different body on the roster. Instead we stayed with him and his improvement from laughable to bad is now being described as doing a decent job. What a joke. The guy is physically over matched and many times is standing around blocking nobody. He is asked to get to the second level and take on linebackers and far too often is chasing his assignment toward the play.
EG, There was a reason Young and yes Parcells, drafted  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 9:46 am : link
big 10 players. Do you or anyone else know why(according to Parcells)? I'll answer in a few
Holy photo caption shitshow, Batman!  
lugnut : 10/24/2013 9:47 am : link
Tim Cordle twice, Tom Cordle once, David Bass twice.

Does anyone employ copy editors these days?

So BH, should I believe you or TC  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 9:48 am : link
who rarely throws out accolades?
bb56  
DavidinBMNY : 10/24/2013 9:52 am : link
Planet Theory?
Seriously, any idea why they drafted Big 10?  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 9:53 am : link
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Cordle isn't the answer, imo  
JonC : 10/24/2013 9:56 am : link
But, you can't have all-stars at every position either, and if they need to go lean at a position, TC's comments indicate to me he's comfortable doing so with Cordle.
which I find hard to believe  
JonC : 10/24/2013 9:57 am : link
because Cordle's been bad to mediocre when I've focused on him. Perhaps TC is confusing the man with the actual player and performance on the field.
Jon C  
GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 10:02 am : link
I agree..maybe he's trying to build him up to get better?..This sounds like how they was building Sinorice Moss up during that off-season..
If we are to impose our will......  
Simms11 : 10/24/2013 10:10 am : link
and get back to owning the LOS, we need bigger, more physical linemen. I'm sorry, Jim Cordle doesn't fit the bill and if the Giants go into next season thinking he is the answer, we'll have more of the same. I think Eli should give up some of his salary to bring in better linemen (just kidding, of course - kind of).
Sorry, but I have to go with TC on this..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:11 am : link
It's funny, but when a coach is quoted about a player or is silent on the productivity of that player, then a poster who agrees with that coach says more often than I can count, " that was quite telling or his silence speaks volumes or just read between the lines, where there's smoke there's fire."

When posters do not like a player's productivity, the coach quoted(differing with the posters opinions) is often dismissed as in, "he must have meant something else, it's not what I see."

Sorry, one can't have it both ways..No one is more credible than TC, because he's rarely effusive..I have NEVER seen him use the word outstanding and Sinorice Moss in the same sentence.Ever..Compliment him at times? Sure. Outstanding? Never heard such a word uttered by TC towards SM
BB56  
Alex_Webster : 10/24/2013 10:13 am : link
Parcells believed in "Cold weather" guys. Big guys that would be nasty in the environment they needed to play in. That might not be his exact quote but it was close to his concept for Giant stadium conditions.
BB 56  
Ash : 10/24/2013 10:13 am : link
supporting TC doesn't mean thinking he's infallible. I think you confuse that.
AW,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:14 am : link
Bingo! Yup, he wanted cold weather guys that would not be affected by the cold and winds of the Meadowlands in November and December
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GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 10:15 am : link
I was saying it was form TC, but from the staff..Like is said, maybe he was just talking him up because right now, Cordle is his only option..He can't go saying that he's bad or needs to get a lot better..

I don't know..But watching what i saw on TV, he does not look good at all..That double gap blitz is killing them..
why would anyone take Coughlin's comments at face value?  
oipolloi : 10/24/2013 10:15 am : link
He is a coach. He uses different motivational techniques with different guys. Cordle has limited physical ability, so he praises his effort, work ethic and improvement. That is encouraging.

Nicks is the exact opposite. An extremely talented player whose effort and focus has recently been suspect. So Coughlin calls him out.

The fact that Baas went back in even though he was probably 70% tells you what TC really thinks about Cordle.
Ash, I was commenting on his effusive praise of Cordle which  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:16 am : link
he rarely does..He's made plenty of mistakes and if you believe he's bs-ing on this matter, fine..
I like how the article first calls him TIM Cordle  
Anando : 10/24/2013 10:16 am : link
Then TOM Cordle, right underneath that.
Oip, fine you're entitled, my friend.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:18 am : link
But for now on, when posters quote a coach in support of their(poster's) opinion, I will call bullshit and put in my spin, fair enough?
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 10:19 am : link
Coach is rarely effusive about players? Umm, that is wildly inaccurate.
JB,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:22 am : link
back up your statement..What player(obviously we're not talking about Eli, Cruz, Nicks and other stars, I thought that was implicit; if not, I should have been clearer)..Talking about the lesser tier guys..
Need to shower and run. Will check in before I head out  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:24 am : link
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 10:37 am : link
Don't have time to pull them all out, but you can do it pretty easily. It will be in almost every single press conference, especially when someone is pressed for duty due to injury. "That guy had to come in and play and he has done an outstanding job for us"...like when Boothe first had to come in, and when Petrus played, or basically whenever any non-starter has come in and played. Just go back so far this season and look at the praise he has heaped on James Brewer, who isn't starting at the moment, although I think that could be changing this week. Coughlin praises everybody! When have you heard him throw a guy under the bus. You seem to have the media creation of Coughlin in your head and not the reality. Also, if you think Cordle has done an outstanding job and is the future at center, you can go ahead and think that. You are alone on this planet with that opinion.
Don't back down, Doc  
HomerJones45 : 10/24/2013 10:40 am : link
You support a two-time Super Bowl winning coach who is a lock for the HOF.

They are a bunch of untrained fans who watch a game twice and then think they are Vince Lombardi.

And besides, they are already wrong. Cordle was supposed to be a disaster according to these pundits and he hasn't been.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 10:42 am : link
Once again, HJ45 doesn't even understand what is going on.
Old People are silly.  
drkenneth : 10/24/2013 10:50 am : link
...Cordle won't be in the NFL next year.
JB,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 10:50 am : link
he may very well be at best, at best, average. I really can't tell all that much through a TV screen..Apparently, I'm dumber than others..;)

Gotta run...Later
Cordle hasn't been a disaster?  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2013 10:56 am : link
I guess I was watching some other sieve-like offensive lineman wearing #63, then.

Appeal to authority all you want. Jim Cordle is an atrocious lineman, and the wretched performance of the line is plain for all to see. Did you notice how dramatically the line play suffered after Baas went out?
Well, the first step of reconstruction is demolition.  
BeerFridge : 10/24/2013 11:14 am : link
They've got that one covered.
Reconstruction,  
oldog : 10/24/2013 11:25 am : link
is the wrong way to go. They should just train Eli to be more nimble. Couldn`t they bring Fran Tarkenton in to coach him.
In my eyes  
vince : 10/24/2013 11:25 am : link
I can believe what the BBI untrained, uninformed , biased , passionate Giant fan puts out as the facts........
Or I can believe Tom Coughlin....

I may be stupid about football but I ain't all that stupid about who's got the right info

It ain't BBI by a long shot

Especially since TC has his career based on his actions and BBI'ers have only wagered the next beer.

Get real guys all your gut feelings may be gas!
I think the Giants need a center more than they need anything else  
Go Terps : 10/24/2013 11:29 am : link
IMO center is the second most important position on the offense. We needed Baas to emerge in a way similar to how Antrel Rolls has on defense and be that leader acquired in FA. It just hasn't happened.

Priority #1 in the offseason if you ask me.
Just another newspaper writer that doesn't know jack shit.  
Red Dog : 10/24/2013 11:41 am : link
It is plain for the world to see that the GIANTS OL needs to be totally blown up and re-built from scratch. Just look at this team's record and offensive stats (particuarly rushing yardage and pass protection) and it is very obvious that they aren't even beginning to get the job done.

Pugh and Beatty are the only certain keepers, and maybe re-sign Boothe to another one-year contract because you can't replace everybody in one year with so many other pressing needs (TE, LB, probably DE, probably WR, maybe CB, etc.).

The rest who don't retire or get cut can come to camp and compete, but most of them had better be gone by Labor Day.
OOPs  
vince : 10/24/2013 11:41 am : link
hit submit instead of preview.

I can understand the angst about Cordle but do you all have such short memories as to when O'Hara came in as a center?

I believe he was considered too small but I'm relying on memory here and mine isn't too good. I believe it took a season or two for that line to jell and then it happened,

Here we have pretty much the same thing with Baas going in and out and no time to really get the OL together and become a unit.

Yet you folks here want to have an Instant, first line, overpowering unit NOW.
That people is an idiotic expectation.

Am I chastising you....Yup!

Am I calling you unrealistic? Bet you sweet ass I am.

Am I saying you're not being rational... OH how could I be so right so many times???

AM I saying I DON"T want an overpowering OL.... Hell NO!

Do I want it NOW! You can bet the house on it!

Will it happen next game... As a fan I REALLY HOPE SO

Do I think it will happen next game.....NO not really.

Does that make you or me a lousy fan? Nope

Could it make us all crazy people...DAmn Tootin"

WHO IS RIGHT? BEATS ME but we wont know until the next game.

Not Until the season plays out will we know the truth.

Until then

PLAY NICE!! AND THINK RATIONALLY!!!!!!










vince  
GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 11:45 am : link
The problem with all that is..

THE LINE HAS BEEN JACKED UP FOR OVER TWO YEARS!!!

At one point do you scrap it and say, "you know what, it didn't work"???

This team has made mistakes..And i'm not saying it's a mistake now, but after 2 years plus, and the line has not gotten any better, you have to change something..
Maybe Coughlin is referring to Cordle in practice...  
SB : 10/24/2013 11:47 am : link
...and his stonewalling the Giants passrush. Pretty sure that Jeff Hatch could stonewall this Giants DL. Right now.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 11:48 am : link
Let's please never compare O'Hara and Cordle ever again. Thanks.
'56  
BlueHurricane : 10/24/2013 11:54 am : link
Maybe just sit down with a nice glass of beer and some popcorn and let YOUR eyes tell you what is going on. I played o-line from my sophomore year in HS all the way through college. I love the nuances of it. It is the game within the game. That said Cordle is a bad football player.

Coughlin messed up big time back in 2010 vs the Eagles (D-Jax) when he reinserted O'Hara into a lineup that was humming. He is not beyond reproach. Here they are making a mistake by playing a player who has no value as a starter and little value as a backup save for being able to make the calls correct.
JB YOU MAY HAVE TO EAT THOSE WORDS  
vince : 10/24/2013 12:05 pm : link
Look, the OL is usually a stable place. You change one person at time. Yes I will compare Ohara . As a FAn, I can do any idiotic thing I choose. That only makes me a dumb fan in your eyes.
Based on years of lurking that description fits all of us at one time or another.

This OL has been changed how many times? How can anyone make a flat statement about this line? Except of course that it's an ever changing unit.
Based on the fact that cohesion starts in an actual game under stress, we have to be reasonable about the outcome after each change. for anyone (YOU?) to insist that the line be changed without seeing the coaching tapes and hearing the coaches breakdown of each player is like counting the fish in the pond by spitting in it and watching the ripples.

You don't have the facts. I must say this and I can't emphasis this enough. seeing the game live and seeing the game on TV is NOT the same game! The closest thing to seeing the game live is the coaches tape where the entire field is seen and the effects of players not on the TV screen can be evaluated.

Now if you want to acknowledge that and say based on what you see and your information this is what you think should happen? Fine, but to go hog wild with your feelings ....is also fine but then since I don';t think you looking at this in the overall picture I have to be sarcastic and say......

WHICH FOOTBALL GOD IS WHISPERING IN YOUR EAR?

Let's temper that and just say Ease up and see all the problems and see the progress.

man I like writing this stuff! Who knows I may get something right. I could be another Vacchiano or Schwatrz....God forbid I'm a Myers.









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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 12:12 pm : link
Anyone ever figure out whose dupe this is?
quite often, if Coughlin  
fkap : 10/24/2013 12:20 pm : link
sings praises about you, you end up sacking groceries at Piggly-Wiggly a couple years later. He uses it as a tool for underperforming players who need a little ego boost.

Don't really care if I'm a lousy couch potato vs the possible HOF coach, 'outstanding' and 'Cordle' don't belong in the same sentence. That doesn't mean Cordle is as bad as BBI is making him out to be.

Coachspeak is utterly useless. they spread so much dis-information, vagueness, outright BS, that any kernel of truth they do say can't be trusted.
RE: Sorry, but I have to go with TC on this..  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 12:22 pm : link
In comment 11297145 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
It's funny, but when a coach is quoted about a player or is silent on the productivity of that player, then a poster who agrees with that coach says more often than I can count, " that was quite telling or his silence speaks volumes or just read between the lines, where there's smoke there's fire."

When posters do not like a player's productivity, the coach quoted(differing with the posters opinions) is often dismissed as in, "he must have meant something else, it's not what I see."

Sorry, one can't have it both ways..No one is more credible than TC, because he's rarely effusive..I have NEVER seen him use the word outstanding and Sinorice Moss in the same sentence.Ever..Compliment him at times? Sure. Outstanding? Never heard such a word uttered by TC towards SM


Close enough?

Quote:
WR Sinorice Moss caught two touchdown passes in the game. “A couple of really outstanding plays by Sinorice,” said Coughlin

NY Post - ( New Window )
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 12:23 pm : link
fkap, exactly. Saying that Coughlin rarely praises players shows a complete lack of knowledge of Coughlin, and certainly means you aren't reading the transcripts from his press conferences. This media creation of Coughlin being some sort of hard ass jerk who doesn't say anything nice is utter horse shit. He is a gentleman and recognizes effort when he sees it, although when he praises someone, it doesn't mean they are really playing well. It means he sees them trying out there, and wants to keep their confidence up.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 12:25 pm : link
HAHA
I'm guessing this reconstruction is being done by Shirk Brothers  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2013 12:27 pm : link
"How long is all this gonna take?"

"Two weeks"

Oh, great...  
Joe in Cambridge : 10/24/2013 12:29 pm : link
Jim Cordle is a Coughlin guy. I guess that means we can rule out any possibility of OL changes unless there is an injury.
Brett just took BBI to a new level.  
GiantFilthy : 10/24/2013 12:57 pm : link
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Wuphat : 10/24/2013 12:58 pm : link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMvmoTkfzv8 - ( New Window )
Brett, seriously?  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 1:14 pm : link
You equate outstanding PLAYS with A player PLAYING outstanding?

Did you really think I was referring to TC not or rarely referring to the term "outstanding" for excellent plays here and there?

Saying SM made some outstanding plays vs saying Cordle HAS BEEN outstanding are two completely different references, imv..If it's not, then I admit I'm quite dumb! ;)
This seems pretty clear what you meant  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:16 pm : link
Quote:
I have NEVER seen him use the word outstanding and Sinorice Moss in the same sentence.Ever.


I mean, you even had an easy out...  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:19 pm : link
All you had to do was say, "Shit, I never heard or read that quote. Nevermind. My bad."

Digging your heels in isn't going to help now.
Outstanding Googling, Brett.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 1:21 pm : link
And I'm not usually that effusive about people's Googling.
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BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 1:22 pm : link
No digging in of heels..I never heard him say that  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 1:24 pm : link
but it still is not the same as a player playing outstanding vs making outstnding plays at times..Yes, when I made the SM reference and had I known I would have to explain the difference I would have said "'aside from lauding outstanding plays here and there, I have rarely heard TC laud a Player's performance in general as outstanding(aside from the superstars that is)..

Bwahahahahahahaha  
BlueHurricane : 10/24/2013 1:25 pm : link
Love some Louis CK. And very fitting right now
Nope.  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:26 pm : link
You're definitely not digging in your heels.

Clearly my mistake.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:26 pm : link
Tom Coughlin on the great Tim Carter from 2004:

Said Coughlin: ``Tim Carter gave us some big plays. He does an outstanding job, along with Ike Hilliard at the Z position. He's made good progress since the middle of training camp. I'm happy to see him have a good day.''

And boom goes the dynamite.
Ok, I can see  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 1:27 pm : link
this will invite the usual needling, so fine, I'm done..

RE: No digging in of heels..I never heard him say that  
Victor in CT : 10/24/2013 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11297623 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
but it still is not the same as a player playing outstanding vs making outstnding plays at times..Yes, when I made the SM reference and had I known I would have to explain the difference I would have said "'aside from lauding outstanding plays here and there, I have rarely heard TC laud a Player's performance in general as outstanding(aside from the superstars that is)..


Excellent point. The Moss reference is the epitome of "a stopped watch is right twice a day".
Here he refers to  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:28 pm : link
Terrell Thomas as "...an outstanding football player."
http://videos.nj.com/star-ledger/2013/08/video_giants_head_coach_tom_co_11.html - ( New Window )
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:29 pm : link
Clearly you don't read his transcripts or watch his press conferences, because otherwise you would know he says it A LOT.
Cordle= Not good.  
drkenneth : 10/24/2013 1:29 pm : link
Can we move on?
as amusing as all of this is.....  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2013 1:30 pm : link
Things are very simple here. a)The OL has been horrible this year. b)While we're not all experts on the minutiae of line play, we can in fact easily see whether or not the line is opening holes for RBs and keeping QBs upright. c)Blitzing up the middle, as Gruden demonstrated during the game, has been a major problem for the Giants this season over the course of several weeks. d)The OL played well and the offense moved the ball well in the first quarter with Baas. The offense ground to a halt as soon as Cordle trotted onto the field.

As I said, you can appeal to authority all you want, but outside of coachspeak, there is no way on earth that Jim Cordle can be considered "outstanding".
give  
blue42 : 10/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
Cordle a break,,,,he's had limited playing time. He's had some tough moments but young guys usually do.He's done a good job with the line calls. The A gap stuff is on the guards too...both veteran players.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
Think about this. Tim Carter. TIM CARTER! He said Tim Carter does an outstanding job. Not made outstanding plays, but does an outstanding job. If I were you, I'd just admit that I am wrong and start trying to learn a little bit more about Coughlin as opposed to just turning your brain off and agreeing with everything he says or does. He's a great coach and a first class person, but he isn't infallible, and also has ulterior reasons for saying stuff (like saying Cordle is doing an outstanding job, which is hilarious).
Even David Carr!  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:31 pm : link
"“We’ll miss David Carr around here, to be honest with you. He’s done an outstanding job directing our second offense and our scout team...."
http://www.footballstories.com/giants-release-david-carr-to-reduce-roster-to-final-53/ - ( New Window )
Ok, Ok,  
Rob in NYC : 10/24/2013 1:32 pm : link
but there is no fucking way you can find "oustanding" and "Sintim" in the same sentence....
Ok, I was wrong  
Big Blue '56 : 10/24/2013 1:33 pm : link
about this..
Cordle could also be doing an outstanding job  
mort christenson : 10/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
given his own limitations.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
One thing I did not realize so much, no matter what the context, Tom Coughlin sure does love the word "outstanding". It seems to be his go-to word about anything.
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Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:34 pm : link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_IXzU-lnLU - ( New Window )
This is Cordle's third season  
Greg from LI : 10/24/2013 1:35 pm : link
He's not a rookie.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:35 pm : link
I think mort basically nails it. Outstanding job by mort.
Mort - exactly  
Rob in NYC : 10/24/2013 1:35 pm : link
and in the same spirit, may I say you are an outstanding poster.:)
So close...  
GiantFilthy : 10/24/2013 1:36 pm : link
Quote:
According to Michael Eisen of Giants.com, The Giants believe Sintim can become an outstanding pass-rushing linebacker in the NFL.
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JBGiants : 10/24/2013 1:37 pm : link
Coughlin called Sintim an outstanding young man a lot, but not sure about him as a player. He probably did at some point.
For you Rob,  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:38 pm : link
Quote:
Just 19 spots later, the Giants pounced on Sintim, a 6’3”, 256-pounder who posted 11 sacks as a senior outside linebacker in Virginia’s 3-4 system.


...though not from TC.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1268471-new-york-giants-why-clint-sintim-has-the-most-to-lose-at-training-camp - ( New Window )
I definitely did an outstanding job on this thread.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 1:38 pm : link
Great job, Brett.
scratch that  
Wuphat : 10/24/2013 1:39 pm : link
That was only in the comment section.

I jumped the gun
But that doesn't mean you're generally outstanding, Brett.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 1:40 pm : link
+ 1, Fiddy.
vibe is right. Fuck Brett.  
GiantFilthy : 10/24/2013 1:41 pm : link
+1 for vibe's +1 which gives Fiddy +2.
What would have been awesome  
Randy in CT : 10/24/2013 1:49 pm : link
is if TC said, "Cordle did an outstanding job...given his incredible limitations..."
Rob  
mort christenson : 10/24/2013 1:52 pm : link
Absolutely. As long as I do my best, I can sleep at night. Even if I suck.





(Tees up the ball for Rob's return)
If  
PaulN : 10/24/2013 2:04 pm : link
You call having Beatty and Pugh starting the start of it, then OK, but they are the only two guys that have a future or a chance of a future for the Giants on the OLine, and I agree that Boothe has not been very good at all. Cordle stinks, and Diehl we have beat to death, so I am not going there either. Giants need to add plenty to this Oline, they need 2 starting guards and a starting center, unless they move Pugh inside, then they need a guard, center, and tackle. Boothe, Brewer, Mosley and Cordle can have roles as backups next season, but this team needs 3 starters. If they add at least two, I can live with that, and plug in a backup to live with another year, like they are doing with bothe, although Boothe may need to be replaced next season, even as a backup, he has fallen off badly this season.
The worst of all  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 2:08 pm : link
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C.C. Brown played well.

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Ok guys  
GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 2:10 pm : link
lay off of 56..
We're picking on Brett, now.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 2:11 pm : link
Keep up.
No  
bob in tx : 10/24/2013 2:14 pm : link
mas.
When has Tom C ever publicly said a bad word about a player?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2013 2:14 pm : link
Even Matt Dodge.
If they're pleased with Cordle's play  
jeff57 : 10/24/2013 2:15 pm : link
we're in bigger trouble than I thought.
Boothe has had a decent grade from PFF  
jeff57 : 10/24/2013 2:17 pm : link
But he needs better people around him, or else move him to center.

The best solution for them is to draft Matthews and move Pugh to LG.
RE: Outstanding Googling, Brett.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 2:25 pm : link
In comment 11297612 vibe4giants said:
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And I'm not usually that effusive about people's Googling.


You know what my secret is?

I used Bing.
Dog pile on the rabbit!  
GMANinDC : 10/24/2013 2:29 pm : link
...
You know who else did an outstanding job?  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 2:33 pm : link
Matt fucking Dodge.

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They both did an outstanding job and it was not an easy decision to make.

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JB you call me names?  
vince : 10/24/2013 3:02 pm : link
After all the vaseline I put on my dick so it wouldn't hurt you? I thought we had something going. I guess not. Now go take an enema, you weren't too clean last time.

Oh you can deny all you want ....but we know the truth.

Stand straight and pull up your pants and go to the bathroom!!!

I'm leaving for the movies and you can write whatever you want. There'll be no one here for you anymore. I'll give you back the key in the mail.
Vince is the best.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/24/2013 3:03 pm : link
Wow.
Ether'd  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/24/2013 3:09 pm : link
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cordle  
area junc : 10/24/2013 3:12 pm : link
plays much better when he practices with the starters and knows he's playing
RE: RE: Outstanding Googling, Brett.  
vibe4giants : 10/24/2013 3:18 pm : link
In comment 11297860 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 11297612 vibe4giants said:


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And I'm not usually that effusive about people's Googling.



You know what my secret is?

I used Bing.


Bing? That a hilarious made up name! Classic Brett!
Suck it, vibe.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/25/2013 7:44 am : link
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If you read the quote carefully,  
gersh : 10/25/2013 8:14 am : link
he's not saying Cordle is an "outstanding" Center. He's not even saying Cordle is a good Center. He's only saying he's smart, prepared and has a good attitude.

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Q: Could you talk about Jim Cordle and how he has played?

A: He’s done an outstanding job. Originally he started to play, then Baas came back, then he had to go in for him during the course of the game, as well. He’s very smart. He keeps up with everything. He’s prepared to go. He has a nice demeanor about him, in terms of going into the game at whatever point. We would hope that would continue.


Coughlin is merely trying to be encouraging to a kid he would rather wasn't playing
.....  
gersh : 10/25/2013 8:19 am : link
I painfully read thru this...yes, Mort had it. Succinctly.
gersh, I admitted I was wrong..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2013 8:34 am : link
Interesting analysis by Joey on Cordle from the other night, however, fwiw..

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...C Jim Cordle again acquitted himself pretty well and seems to be settling in a bit at the pivot. Most of the inside pressure was honestly from guards Kevin Boothe and David Diehl simply not getting their hands on their Viking counterparts quickly enough. Cordle more than held his own inside against massive DT Kevin Williams...


Found one...  
Chris in Philly : 10/25/2013 8:39 am : link
"We thank Clint for all his hard work. However, before he leaves New Jersey he needs to return his outstanding library books. I hope he didn't try to color them."

-Tom Coughlin
Lol..  
Big Blue '56 : 10/25/2013 8:44 am : link
Shit, I was hoping you wouldn't uncover that one and continue my beatdown on this thread..Bastid!
Sorry Fiddy  
gersh : 10/25/2013 9:09 am : link
Didn't mean to pile on.
And with Joey's analysis aside, we need a new Center
Baas makes Tim Carter look durable
......  
gersh : 10/25/2013 9:12 am : link
Actually Andre Brown may be the least durable guy we've had.
Hopefully that somehow changes
RE: Suck it, vibe.  
vibe4giants : 10/25/2013 11:31 am : link
In comment 11298917 BrettNYG10 said:
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Who cares what search engine blind people use? They're not finding anything, anyway.
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