Going into this year, I think many of us had legitimate expectations that this team could compete for the Super Bowl. There were plenty of conversations about possibly being the first team to host the game in our home stadium. Now being only 2 months into the season with one of the worst starts in franchise history, I still can't believe what has transpired.
Aside from being a complete embarrassment, it seems that much of the fan base, along with our management, severely overrated the talent on this team. The organization (as us as fan) also overlooked many of our weaknesses and overrated many of our own returning players and the vets who were signed on one year, prove it, contracts.
I'm sure we're going to look back at this season as a turning point for the franchise as there is sure to be plenty of change in the upcoming offseason. Hopefully we, along with the higher-ups in the organization, take off the rose colored glasses and make the necessary moves to make us competitive not just next season but for many seasons to come.
but I didn't think they'd be this bad. I thought a 6 - 10, 7 - 9 season was realistic.
Giants would have had two other OL who might actually have been able to play
you have no chance of winning with the OL playing like it has. It led to the offense getting completely out of sync. Even when he has time, Eli is rushing the ball because his expectation is that he has no time
But, yeah, let's insult the fanbase that's already going through a miserable year. If we would have all foreseen that this team would lose their first six games, things would be much different right now!
Yes, maybe we weren't Super Bowl contenders. I thought we'd go 9-7, 10-6 because we always seem to hover around there.
But for anyone to say they saw us @ 1-6 after 7 weeks...well, they're lying.
1. We did not think that we really had NO TE that could do anything for us. Not even block.
2. The O line was still horrible and maybe the expectations for Pugh to make a huge impact initially was just unfair.
3. Our safeties are very good but the corners are over rated. Prince plays like a 4th rounder, TT was never going to be the old TT. Thank God for Ross this season.
4. Nicks has been a shell of himself.
5. JPP is an athletic kid that started fast and then fizzled. At this point in his career, he has had more bad games than good ones. So, lets not put him up there with the top DEs in the league please.
6. Tuck is not the player he used to be even when 100% healthy.
7. Our special teams were not improved and if anything went backwards going from Tynes to Brown. We still cannot cover kicks and punts.
8. Leadership - a bit lacking. Eli leads on offense with his play. However, we did not have anyone to light a fire under the rest of the unit until Jacobs came back. No emotion without him. Like they just dont care. On defense we have Rolle and Tuck. Quality leaders.
9. Defense- we came off of a season where we were horrible and we did not improve at LB.
So, yeah I suppose we should EXPECT to go to the Superbowl because we have a QB in his prime but we did not have a full team around him and anyone who thinks we did is just a homer or has no clue. Just ask Dan Marino. You could see even in pre season when the starters were out there that they were lost in space.
I think as much as we want to kill Reese for the job he has done recently, the Jacobs and the Beason trade has been exactly what this team needed. It is also about all you could expect him to do mid season.
A crap o-line will make even the best offensive players look like crap.
With Nicks coming into the season seemingly healthy as well as JPP and our signings at DT, I really thought the defense would have a chance to be pretty good. Never in my wildest dreams did I think 0-6 would ever have been possible.
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Hopefully we, along with the higher-ups in the organization, take off the rose colored glasses and make the necessary moves to make us competitive not just next season but for many seasons to come.
How/why are you talking about the fan base as though they have any input/impact on player evaluation?
(2) An offensive line that can't run block and can only pass block a little bit better;
(3) Defensive ends who could't rush my Grandmother, let alone an NFL QB;
(4) The inability to create any turnovers while their 2-time Super Bowl MVP QB turned into a turnover machine;
(4) Humiliating breakdowns on punt coverage.
That pretty much sums it up. A very shitty 1-6 team.
So fix the OL, DL, and RB and we are good to go... well now I feel better! :)
You think this team is a top 5 drafting team, you start by drafting a franchise QB and ship Eli elsewhere for more picks. That's what I'd do, anyway, if this year's team finishes that poorly.
Plus, now you have to pay him more than what Eli makes. How would we sign other players too? The team would suck next year and possibly the year after too.
Under the new CBA you'd pay the overall #1 pick far FAR less than you are currently paying Eli. Andrew Luck is playing on a 4 year contract for 22 million (with an option for year 5), Eli's last deal was 7 years for 107 million.
I think I've been a pretty objective observer of the Giants over the past 50 years or so that I've been an avid fan ... and I have to say I think Manning is the least to blame for the current record than anyone in the organization.
No running game means:
1. Manning has been faced with an incredible amount of third and 10+ situations.
2. Play action - a QB's best friend - is out the window.
Add to that an OL that has been porous so that every time he goes back to throw the ball, he is under immediate pressure.
So, what has he done? He has decided to force throws that will almost certainly have very high percentage risk of interception. Why? Most QB would just take the sack or throw the ball out of bounds and go three and out and punt. Why hasn't Manning done that? Because the team has been behind and forcing the high risk throws has been the only way to get back into the game. Take the sack or throwing the ball out of bounds may help his stats - and most QBs would undoubtedly do that so they wouldn't be taking the heat Manning is taking now - but in my book, such QBs are losers. Manning doesn't give a rat's ass about statistics. He just wants to win. And if that means setting a record for the most turnovers, then so be it.
Eli Manning is not the problem this year. He's playing differently because he has to play differently this year. Just like Phil Simms, the kid is putting the team first ahead of what is best for him personally.
As already pointed out, the big failure is the OL, and the big bucks given to Baas and Snee. Injuries killed us there, and that's always hard to predict. On the other hand, Snee is getting up there, and Baas is clearly brittle.
Also already pointed out is the poor drafting lately, especially the OL. so many misses in the late rounds there. Now even Beatty is looking mediocre, and maybe also another OL miss, only higher this time.
We are horrid on D.Just putrid. But we were bad there last year too, but the pass D is just so pathetic. Seems like we are just snakebit there too, injuries killing us everywhere in the secondary. Stevie Brown was a huge blow. But our corners are injury prone and just not that good, more dfaft misses plus injuries.
And yet...win Sunday and a Dallas loss? 2 games out. bizarre year...
Another was when Curry retired from football and our opening night LBers were Mark Herzlich and Spencer Paysinger (and Rivers).
I'm no baffled as much as I'm disappointed but seasons like this come around about once every ten years. I'd be even more disappointed if they failed to use the opportunity of a good draft position to address the areas that obviously need it.
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Forgot about that thread... reading back I see my 7-9 prediction was wildly overly optimistic.
Warning sign number two: No meaningful coaching changes. Special Teams still suck, Defense still alternately warm and cold, and weak against the pass.
Warning sign number three: They didn't do a lot to improve the team in veteran free agency other than shore up the obvioulsly weak DT position, and actually got weaker in some other areas, like OT, RB, and WR. A cap issue as much as anything.
Warning sign number four: They blew two more draft choices on a QB who isn't going to play but is going to occupy another uniform on the sidelines. Yet another "developmental" guy who won't contribute this year or likely in the near future.
Warning sign number five: They had a terrible exhibition season. Played like an expansion team - or worse.
Warning sign number six: Injuries and suspensions everywhere you looked, which prohibited building continuity.
Warning sign number seven: The quality of Eli's play has declined significantly since Mike Sullivan left as QB coach.
Warning sign number eight: Nicks starts to act like he wants out. Good players usually don't want out of good teams.
Warning sign number nine: Brewer can't play OT in the NFL. Yet another important draft miss. He should have taken the ORT job this year. Instead the third year man can't even get on the field with the starters.
Warning sign number ten: Jernigan fails to step up AGAIN as a WR or a punt returner. Start sizing him up for his bust.
Warning sign number eleven: Age. Many key members of this team are getting near the end of their career. That's not necessarily a problem, but it does mean that injuries are sometimes more frequent and usually take longer to heal.
Warning sign number twelve: Complacency. Two time Super Bowl winners have their rings. Other than gaining individual honors, they don't have anything left to prove.
Warning sign number thirteen: Declining competitiveness of the whole division. It's no longer the best in the league, it's more like the worst. And the GIANTS still can't beat the Iggles. Or the Redskins. Or much of anybody else, it seems.
Warning sign number fourteen: The law of averages. They were going to lose a game in Dallas sooner or later.
Warning sign number fifteen: The cyclic nature of the NFL. Even good teams go through bad stretches and the GIANTS haven't had a really bad stretch since Eli's rookie year.
Snee was supposedly hurt all last season and would be improved after his surgery. But he wasn't, and was promptly re-injured. Baas couldn't stay on the field. Tuck and Kiwi are both shells of their former selves (in the case of Kiwi, not all that great in the first place). Webster joined the perpetually wounded, Hosley hasn't been able to stay on the field and don't even get me started at RB.
Some of that is just shit luck, and some of it is the wheels falling off the core a year faster than the FO had expected. I can't blame them for trying to make one last run with it, but obviously it didn't work. Time to retool for the second half of Eli's career and say goodbye to a number of guys who brought us two rings.
If this team had a decent oline, the O could have been very good, but as it is now, it's too much of a handicap. Defensively, they have played well except lack of pass rush and JPP being a shell of himself is really hurting.
There are a lot of injuries hurting them -in the secondary, RB...
If the Giants even had an average interior offensive line play they likely have a few more wins thus far. Even with the flawed schemes, sloppy play, and some glaring talent holes.