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What happens to Hillis?

giantranger : 10/27/2013 5:16 pm
Peyton has been probably the most important factor in these 2 wins aside from a bend but don't break defense. I don't expect Jacobs to stay healthy in a full time role. We know we can't expect Brown to carry the load. Hillis runs tough, moves the pile and so far, has been very durable despite taking some big shots. He won't be taking a seat when those 2 come back will he?
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Hillis blocking strength  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/27/2013 6:16 pm : link
is as pass blocker. FB lead blocking is something very different. I like Conner as a lead blocking FB.
RE: Knowing TC as we do,  
RDJR : 10/27/2013 6:33 pm : link
In comment 11303830 Big Blue '56 said:
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It's Hillis' job to lose and I'm rather certain Eli won't complain all that much


Huh? If that's the case it's BJ's job to lose. He was the starter when he was injured.
Sneaks, absolutely.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/27/2013 6:35 pm : link
Unless Hillis starts acting out, he'll be part of our RB rotation next year. Connor has been a beast at times, imo..
Conner puts some pop in his pads  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/27/2013 6:37 pm : link
he needs to get a contract next year. He changes this team
I'm a dick GM  
fkap : 10/27/2013 6:38 pm : link
get Jacobs healthy enough to play a game, then cut him. Why IR him and pay him for every remaining game? The Giants may need those couple of bucks we'd save to bring someone else in without borrowing even more money from next year's cap.
BJ wasn't an entrenched starter, like O'Hara, Diehl, Bradshaw  
Big Blue '56 : 10/27/2013 6:38 pm : link
for example. They don't lose their jobs with TC..BJ was a pick-up who started because we had no one else..Hillis is a better player and certainly a receiver..There is NO allegiance to BJ this time around. He was a starter by attrition..

Hillis is the man..Bet the farm
Showtime  
map7711 : 10/27/2013 6:38 pm : link
Is obviously a troll. Go away please u a-hole.
RB  
AcidTest : 10/27/2013 6:39 pm : link
will be an interesting discussion in the offseason. I don't think BJ will be back. But Wilson, Hillis, Brown, and Cox all have questions. So will the Giants go with them, or use a draft pick on a RB?
I think Jacobs is a better runner than Hillis  
chris r : 10/27/2013 6:44 pm : link
Hillis the better receiver. It seems Hillis' arrival has coincided with Gilbride finally using more of a short passing game that we've been begging him for all season.
Cut Jacobs  
Mike in NY : 10/27/2013 6:44 pm : link
He will be around if we need him
Maybe you don't activate Brown at this point  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/27/2013 6:45 pm : link
.
I guess  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/27/2013 6:46 pm : link
we'll see where they go with it.
chris,  
Big Blue '56 : 10/27/2013 6:49 pm : link
maybe because Hillis has far and away the best hands of the Giants backs?
Wilson may go to IR  
NY-Fan : 10/27/2013 6:49 pm : link
his situation is a bit tricky.
I assumed Hillis would most likely be let go..  
Rsspro : 10/27/2013 6:49 pm : link
when or if Jacobs became healthy and Wilson was good to go and after Brown comes back..

now I'm not so sure.. Jacobs is a great leader and still productive.. but his hamstring is lingering..

these things sometimes sort themselves out.. but first up for us is seeing where Wilson is and Jacobs.. Brown will be activated.. then it's up to the Giants to decide.. I think Hillis might stay now.. join Brown and Cox with either Wilson or Jacobs.. depending on their health.. either Wilson or Jacobs might go on IR..
I did like the idea of Jacobs staying on for his leadership..  
Rsspro : 10/27/2013 6:50 pm : link
and as a mentor to the young guys however..

time will tell
RE: Maybe you don't activate Brown at this point  
Ira : 10/27/2013 6:51 pm : link
In comment 11304155 Sneakers O'toole said:
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I agree. Brown is very talented, but can't stay healthy. I'd rather keep Hillis than him because he's more likely to stay on the field.
BB56  
chris r : 10/27/2013 6:52 pm : link
but what kept them from using the short passing game to the WRs and TE, and throwing some to the backs?

Its not like you have to have a good receiver at HB to throw short passes.
you don't have to view it as just Brown vs. Hillis..  
Rsspro : 10/27/2013 7:06 pm : link
when all is said and done.. I think we finish the season with 4 backs.. and it'll come from this group..

Wilson
Brown
Jacobs
Hillis
Cox

I think Cox is actually the safest.. because he's a rookie who's showed some promise.. Wilson is is NO danger whatsoever or being of the roster.. but depending on his healthy.. he could go on IR.. same with Jacobs and his hamstring..

I really want to see Wilson return and play well this season.. I think he could be great.. his condition is a shame.. I think TC/Reese wait for some more medical info and then that helps them make this decision.. but I'm starting to think Cox and Hillis will be half of the 4 guys we keep..
Wilson to IR  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/27/2013 7:08 pm : link
has to be a real possibility just on health alone. We don't know what the deal is there yet.
Hillis  
giantsfan227B : 10/27/2013 7:09 pm : link
isn't going anywhere

He runs, blocks and catches out of the backfield. More than Willis, Brown, BJ, Cox do. He might not be great at any of these things but combined he is valuable.
RE: Hillis  
giantsfan227B : 10/27/2013 7:10 pm : link
In comment 11304258 giantsfan227B said:
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isn't going anywhere

He runs, blocks and catches out of the backfield. More than Willis, Brown, BJ, Cox do. He might not be great at any of these things but combined he is valuable.


Meant Wilson.
Almost 2 weeks to figure something out  
Jupiter : 10/27/2013 7:42 pm : link
Try to give Jacobs one more shot at playing without (or through) injuries.

It would be nice to see Jacobs and Brown sharing the load on 1st down and 2nd and short. Then, Hillis on long yardage.

Cox is the odd man out, but I think they will want to try to keep him around. I'm not sure he can be stashed on the practice squad.

Until today, I thought Jernigan was an easy cut to make room for the extra RB so Wilson could take over on KO returns.
The better question is why the hell wasn't Hillis here week 1  
hudson : 10/27/2013 7:48 pm : link
Reese really got full of himself and has been humbled.
He thought he didn't need help and "his" picks at RB were fine....1 a fumbler who can't pass protect in Wilson...2 an unproven injury prone Brown...3 and 4 undersized nobodies.

He didn't do what he did in 2007 bringing in Dreoughns.
If he hadn't been so stubborn and brought in a vet sooner we wouldn't have been 0-6.

Ditto with linebacker and getting Beason.
hudson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/27/2013 7:51 pm : link
Beason wasn't available in a trade until he lost his job to Chase Blackburn.
I don't agree that Jacobs is a better runner than  
giantranger : 10/27/2013 7:53 pm : link
Hillis. And there is certainly no comparison in pass catching. Jacobs had a good game against a very weak Bears front. Hillis runs just as hard. They run very much alike but Hillis is tougher to bring down
Hillis was on the Bucs  
giantranger : 10/27/2013 7:54 pm : link
roster week 1 wasn't he?
Yes  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/27/2013 7:57 pm : link
Hillis was a Buc to start the season.
RE: RE: Hillis  
Rsspro : 10/27/2013 8:03 pm : link
In comment 11304261 giantsfan227B said:
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In comment 11304258 giantsfan227B said:


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isn't going anywhere

He runs, blocks and catches out of the backfield. More than Willis, Brown, BJ, Cox do. He might not be great at any of these things but combined he is valuable.



Meant Wilson.


whatcha talkin bout Willis?
Opening line is a big stretch  
KWALL : 10/27/2013 8:17 pm : link
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Peyton has been probably the most important factor in these 2 wins aside from a bend but don't break defense...


But I agree he's a keeper. He's an excellent pass catcher. Smooth as can be with good hands. Doing a good job in pass protection too.

I love Jacobs but it seems Hillis can give the team a little more especially as an option in the pass game.

(BTW, Connor is another smooth pass catcher. I like both of the in there together.)

He give Eli an option  
newmike2 : 10/27/2013 8:24 pm : link
he hasn't really had since Tiki. A guy that can catch and get that extra yard.
If he stays healthy, he will be a solid addition.
Hillis has done well, but he will need reliable help ....  
Manny in CA : 10/27/2013 9:21 pm : link
Someone who

#1 will not fumble

#2 can pass protect

#3 Does not represent a"breather" for the defense

I don't that either Wilson or Cox, given Wilson's injury status or Cox (due to his inexperience), represents this factor.

Andre Brown is probably the better chain mover, but Jacobs is probably the very best pass protecting back in the NFL and still softens the defense better than any other back in the NFL.
Couple of things...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/27/2013 9:31 pm : link
BB56 and I have talked about this before... Hillis has very soft hands...something this offense has lacked since Tiki left. I mentioned he slow he was last week... Well... We aren't looking for 80 yard runs from him. We are looking to move the chains and rejuvenate our play action game. Hillis stays.

Now... Onto the fucking Terminator. I know teams don't play fullback football anymore... But the dude can play. Bye Bye Hyno.

Our backfield is going to look nice after the bye. Wilson, brown, Hillis and Connor? I like it.
Stretch?  
giantranger : 10/27/2013 10:05 pm : link
Take Hillis away and they are 1 dimentional. Cox was not going to get it done by himself. In fact he was taken out of the Viking game. Today, he helped to keep Eli clean, picked up some tough short yardage and was a reliable check down. No other back all season has been able to provide all 3. He was a big factor no doubt.
It would be nice if Wilson could come  
giantranger : 10/27/2013 10:08 pm : link
back in and add some speed to the ground game. It appears the O-line just may be getting on track. Wilson may have learned something watching from the sideline
If everyone's healthy  
Bill in UT : 10/27/2013 10:19 pm : link
Jacobs should be odd man out. He's injury prone, older, slower, not great hands, not a great short yardage back. If we like his leadership and mentoring ability, make him an assistant coach.
Hillis isn't going anywhere  
Spock : 10/27/2013 10:20 pm : link
Cox to PS
Just once, please God, just once  
SHO'NUFF : 10/27/2013 11:21 pm : link
let Jacobs and Hillis be in the same backfield, at the same time...just once.
Try Hillis  
OldPolack : 10/28/2013 9:03 am : link
as an Hback with Jacob and Conner.
Provide Eli with much more protection and would help
in the dreaded red zone.
Brandon is "done"  
Fpbflppt : 10/28/2013 10:14 am : link
Peyton moves the pile in short yardage - sometimes not far enough (is it just "rust"?). Brandon doesn't. Peyton appears to be the better receiver. Either can pass block. Brandon scares the defense when he gets loose past the line of scrimmage. But Brandon isn't the future. Not sure that Peyton is either. Connor is a good lead blocker, "mostly adequate" pass blocker. Cox I'm not sure of - he hasn't had enough reps with the first team yet (if the coaches don't trust him, maybe I shouldn't either?). David Wilson reminds me of David Meggett - about whom one Bill Parcells was once quoted as saying "I'll leave him in there until I can't stand it any more". Henry who?

Jacobs ran for 100 yards and 2 TD's a couple weeks back!  
Curtis in VA : 10/28/2013 10:22 am : link
He's done???

Good grief.

You have to keep Hillis  
mrvax : 10/28/2013 10:34 am : link
Brown and Wilson. Hillis has proven his value. We haven't had a RB catch passes as well since 2006.
Remember  
Emil : 10/28/2013 12:38 pm : link
Brown is only under contract for 1 year, and he is not exactly young (not old either). I can't see the Giants paying him given his injury history.

I think you IR Wilson (the kid needs more time and the neck scares me) and go with Jacobs, Hillis, Brown, and Cox for the rest of the year. In 2014, keep 4 RBs, go with Wilson, Hillis, Cox and a FA/Draft pick. I just can't see Jacobs contributing long term and he doesn't play specials, and Brown is one hit away from missing time it seems.
...  
Chuck Q : 10/28/2013 2:36 pm : link
good hard down hill running, Check. Good pass protection, check. Receiving skills, check. 2 Giant wins with - pricelss.
cut  
spike : 10/28/2013 2:41 pm : link
Allen Bradford.

Dont need him
If Wilson is done for this season, he goes on IR  
JonC : 10/28/2013 2:45 pm : link
otherwise, it's other IR for Jacobs or IR Brown, it appears.
Hill is has to be the guy  
Go Terps : 10/28/2013 2:46 pm : link
He and Connor allow the pass offense to change its identity and avoid negative plays.

The Giants looked putrid early in the year in their 21 and 12 personnel...now that formation is getting them to 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 2. Those are winning downs, and a big departure from the 3rd and longs we saw with Wilson/Hynoski.

The offense has to change out of necessity due to the state of the OL. Hill is is the best guy to play RB in that new way. IMO it isn't even a question, and it would be a grievous error from the coaches to try and change back once Brown and/or Wilson return.
I still believe in Andre Brown  
djm : 10/28/2013 2:51 pm : link
partly because he can play when healthy, partly out of necessity...but I think Brown is the one RB on this roster that can provide a legit boost. Hillis added something but I think Brown can provide more. Hope he can come back and stay on the field.
Sneakers got it right!  
idinkido : 10/29/2013 5:42 pm : link
Hillis hurts people. Even if he gets 2 yards, he wears down a defense. His blocking and pass receiving is outstanding. The Giants are a better team now than at the start of this season by getting tough players like Hillis, Connor, Beason, and Hill. Football is also a game of execution and emotion. These four skilled guys have a lot of want in them and have affected our other personnel to play with greater effort and, in doing so, with improved performance.
When Andre Brown comes back  
spike : 11/2/2013 11:52 am : link
I see Cox getting IR'ed with a mysteriously hamstring injury in practice.
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