What happens to Hillis?

is as pass blocker. FB lead blocking is something very different. I like Conner as a lead blocking FB.

In comment 11303830 Big Blue '56 said:

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It's Hillis' job to lose and I'm rather certain Eli won't complain all that much

Huh? If that's the case it's BJ's job to lose. He was the starter when he was injured.

Unless Hillis starts acting out, he'll be part of our RB rotation next year. Connor has been a beast at times, imo..

he needs to get a contract next year. He changes this team

get Jacobs healthy enough to play a game, then cut him. Why IR him and pay him for every remaining game? The Giants may need those couple of bucks we'd save to bring someone else in without borrowing even more money from next year's cap.

for example. They don't lose their jobs with TC..BJ was a pick-up who started because we had no one else..Hillis is a better player and certainly a receiver..There is NO allegiance to BJ this time around. He was a starter by attrition..

Hillis is the man..Bet the farm

Is obviously a troll. Go away please u a-hole.

will be an interesting discussion in the offseason. I don't think BJ will be back. But Wilson, Hillis, Brown, and Cox all have questions. So will the Giants go with them, or use a draft pick on a RB?

Hillis the better receiver. It seems Hillis' arrival has coincided with Gilbride finally using more of a short passing game that we've been begging him for all season.

He will be around if we need him

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we'll see where they go with it.

maybe because Hillis has far and away the best hands of the Giants backs?

his situation is a bit tricky.

when or if Jacobs became healthy and Wilson was good to go and after Brown comes back..

now I'm not so sure.. Jacobs is a great leader and still productive.. but his hamstring is lingering..

these things sometimes sort themselves out.. but first up for us is seeing where Wilson is and Jacobs.. Brown will be activated.. then it's up to the Giants to decide.. I think Hillis might stay now.. join Brown and Cox with either Wilson or Jacobs.. depending on their health.. either Wilson or Jacobs might go on IR..

and as a mentor to the young guys however..

time will tell

In comment 11304155 Sneakers O'toole said:

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I agree. Brown is very talented, but can't stay healthy. I'd rather keep Hillis than him because he's more likely to stay on the field.

but what kept them from using the short passing game to the WRs and TE, and throwing some to the backs?

Its not like you have to have a good receiver at HB to throw short passes.

when all is said and done.. I think we finish the season with 4 backs.. and it'll come from this group..

Wilson
Brown
Jacobs
Hillis
Cox

I think Cox is actually the safest.. because he's a rookie who's showed some promise.. Wilson is is NO danger whatsoever or being of the roster.. but depending on his healthy.. he could go on IR.. same with Jacobs and his hamstring..

I really want to see Wilson return and play well this season.. I think he could be great.. his condition is a shame.. I think TC/Reese wait for some more medical info and then that helps them make this decision.. but I'm starting to think Cox and Hillis will be half of the 4 guys we keep..

has to be a real possibility just on health alone. We don't know what the deal is there yet.

isn't going anywhere

He runs, blocks and catches out of the backfield. More than Willis, Brown, BJ, Cox do. He might not be great at any of these things but combined he is valuable.

In comment 11304258 giantsfan227B said:

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isn't going anywhere He runs, blocks and catches out of the backfield. More than Willis, Brown, BJ, Cox do. He might not be great at any of these things but combined he is valuable.

Meant Wilson.

Try to give Jacobs one more shot at playing without (or through) injuries.

It would be nice to see Jacobs and Brown sharing the load on 1st down and 2nd and short. Then, Hillis on long yardage.

Cox is the odd man out, but I think they will want to try to keep him around. I'm not sure he can be stashed on the practice squad.

Until today, I thought Jernigan was an easy cut to make room for the extra RB so Wilson could take over on KO returns.

Reese really got full of himself and has been humbled.
He thought he didn't need help and "his" picks at RB were fine....1 a fumbler who can't pass protect in Wilson...2 an unproven injury prone Brown...3 and 4 undersized nobodies.

He didn't do what he did in 2007 bringing in Dreoughns.
If he hadn't been so stubborn and brought in a vet sooner we wouldn't have been 0-6.

Ditto with linebacker and getting Beason.

Beason wasn't available in a trade until he lost his job to Chase Blackburn.

Hillis. And there is certainly no comparison in pass catching. Jacobs had a good game against a very weak Bears front. Hillis runs just as hard. They run very much alike but Hillis is tougher to bring down

roster week 1 wasn't he?

Hillis was a Buc to start the season.

In comment 11304261 giantsfan227B said:

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In comment 11304258 giantsfan227B said: Quote: isn't going anywhere He runs, blocks and catches out of the backfield. More than Willis, Brown, BJ, Cox do. He might not be great at any of these things but combined he is valuable. Meant Wilson.

whatcha talkin bout Willis?

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Peyton has been probably the most important factor in these 2 wins aside from a bend but don't break defense...

But I agree he's a keeper. He's an excellent pass catcher. Smooth as can be with good hands. Doing a good job in pass protection too.

I love Jacobs but it seems Hillis can give the team a little more especially as an option in the pass game.

(BTW, Connor is another smooth pass catcher. I like both of the in there together.)

he hasn't really had since Tiki. A guy that can catch and get that extra yard.
If he stays healthy, he will be a solid addition.

Someone who

#1 will not fumble

#2 can pass protect

#3 Does not represent a"breather" for the defense

I don't that either Wilson or Cox, given Wilson's injury status or Cox (due to his inexperience), represents this factor.

Andre Brown is probably the better chain mover, but Jacobs is probably the very best pass protecting back in the NFL and still softens the defense better than any other back in the NFL.

BB56 and I have talked about this before... Hillis has very soft hands...something this offense has lacked since Tiki left. I mentioned he slow he was last week... Well... We aren't looking for 80 yard runs from him. We are looking to move the chains and rejuvenate our play action game. Hillis stays.

Now... Onto the fucking Terminator. I know teams don't play fullback football anymore... But the dude can play. Bye Bye Hyno.

Our backfield is going to look nice after the bye. Wilson, brown, Hillis and Connor? I like it.

Take Hillis away and they are 1 dimentional. Cox was not going to get it done by himself. In fact he was taken out of the Viking game. Today, he helped to keep Eli clean, picked up some tough short yardage and was a reliable check down. No other back all season has been able to provide all 3. He was a big factor no doubt.

back in and add some speed to the ground game. It appears the O-line just may be getting on track. Wilson may have learned something watching from the sideline

Jacobs should be odd man out. He's injury prone, older, slower, not great hands, not a great short yardage back. If we like his leadership and mentoring ability, make him an assistant coach.

Cox to PS

let Jacobs and Hillis be in the same backfield, at the same time...just once.

as an Hback with Jacob and Conner.
Provide Eli with much more protection and would help
in the dreaded red zone.

Peyton moves the pile in short yardage - sometimes not far enough (is it just "rust"?). Brandon doesn't. Peyton appears to be the better receiver. Either can pass block. Brandon scares the defense when he gets loose past the line of scrimmage. But Brandon isn't the future. Not sure that Peyton is either. Connor is a good lead blocker, "mostly adequate" pass blocker. Cox I'm not sure of - he hasn't had enough reps with the first team yet (if the coaches don't trust him, maybe I shouldn't either?). David Wilson reminds me of David Meggett - about whom one Bill Parcells was once quoted as saying "I'll leave him in there until I can't stand it any more". Henry who?

He's done???

Good grief.

Brown and Wilson. Hillis has proven his value. We haven't had a RB catch passes as well since 2006.

Brown is only under contract for 1 year, and he is not exactly young (not old either). I can't see the Giants paying him given his injury history.

I think you IR Wilson (the kid needs more time and the neck scares me) and go with Jacobs, Hillis, Brown, and Cox for the rest of the year. In 2014, keep 4 RBs, go with Wilson, Hillis, Cox and a FA/Draft pick. I just can't see Jacobs contributing long term and he doesn't play specials, and Brown is one hit away from missing time it seems.

good hard down hill running, Check. Good pass protection, check. Receiving skills, check. 2 Giant wins with - pricelss.

Allen Bradford.

Dont need him

otherwise, it's other IR for Jacobs or IR Brown, it appears.

He and Connor allow the pass offense to change its identity and avoid negative plays.

The Giants looked putrid early in the year in their 21 and 12 personnel...now that formation is getting them to 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 2. Those are winning downs, and a big departure from the 3rd and longs we saw with Wilson/Hynoski.

The offense has to change out of necessity due to the state of the OL. Hill is is the best guy to play RB in that new way. IMO it isn't even a question, and it would be a grievous error from the coaches to try and change back once Brown and/or Wilson return.

partly because he can play when healthy, partly out of necessity...but I think Brown is the one RB on this roster that can provide a legit boost. Hillis added something but I think Brown can provide more. Hope he can come back and stay on the field.

Hillis hurts people. Even if he gets 2 yards, he wears down a defense. His blocking and pass receiving is outstanding. The Giants are a better team now than at the start of this season by getting tough players like Hillis, Connor, Beason, and Hill. Football is also a game of execution and emotion. These four skilled guys have a lot of want in them and have affected our other personnel to play with greater effort and, in doing so, with improved performance.

I see Cox getting IR'ed with a mysteriously hamstring injury in practice.