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We'll revisit the question...should we have a go at it

dpinzow : 10/28/2013 11:41 am
or should we play for a top pick? Last week this question was posed and I felt that if we beat Philly, we should have a go at making something out of this season. With Dallas only two games in front and the next three games at home after the bye, why not take it one game at a time and see if we can apply pressure on the rest of the bad teams in the NFC East?

I know the offensive line is bad and I know the red zone problems persist, but the transition to a quicker passing game could pay dividends if it is effective. The deeper routes we're used to might just open up again. Hillis is giving us a running game that teams at least have to plan for. This bad offensive line is finally starting to show something in the run game.

The win over Philly just felt different. I know they had trash at QB but Shady McCoy can break open a game without a great QB and DJax is talented enough to make plays for a poor QB. The front four looked like themselves again, especially JPP and Tuck. That was the best game Tuck had since the 2011 Super Bowl run.

If anything, Beason brought stability to the LB unit and the other guys (Jacquian, Paysinger) can finally play in their right positions. Prince hasn't heard his name called in almost a month (which is a good thing for a corner) and Hill's return allows Rolle to make plays all over the field, which is what he likes to do as a freelancer back there. I think TT also took the third safety role at times. He's been a revelation since returning.

So as Giants fans, we should encourage our team to just have a go at it and see what happens. In the worst case scenario, we'll be anywhere between 4-12 and 6-10 and we'll draft a blue-chip offensive lineman. In the best case scenario, we'll win the NFC East and you have to believe with Eli at the helm in January
This question is purely of a fantasy variety in the  
JCin332 : 10/28/2013 11:44 am : link
minds of the fans..

They will play to win till the end and let the chips fall where they may..

When the season ends we will know where they will be selecting..
You play as hard as you can until  
MikeN in Ottawa : 10/28/2013 11:45 am : link
you are eliminated. The Giants have too much class as an organization to do it any other way and in TC you have a coach who only believes in one thing...that is winning.

I think they can make a run if they start to eliminate the stupid little penalties that are killing drives. There is nobody in the NFL that is so powerful that they cannot be beaten on any given Sunday by anyone.

It is no longer that type of league.
As long as the Giants have not been eliminated  
The Natural : 10/28/2013 11:47 am : link
from playoff contention, then you have to root for them to win.

Stranger things have happened.
Season  
mark56 : 10/28/2013 11:47 am : link
There is definitely still a season to make a go of it. They are only 2 games out and even if they werent, as long as they are mathematically alive there will be no rooting for a draft pick.
8-8 can win this division.  
Stu : 10/28/2013 11:48 am : link
Even if it's 9-7, seems unlikely we are going to go 7-1 the rest of the way. 6-2 might be asking a lot, but there have been improvement on the defensive side of the ball. We all know what can happen if a team gets into the playoffs while having a less that stellar season. IF it's 8-8. I think we have a shot. 9-7, no way. Agree... Go for it until you're mathematically eliminated.
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arcarsenal : 10/28/2013 11:48 am : link
Why the hell would they tank when they're 2 games behind Dallas with 8 to play?

No one on this football team wants to tank. I think it was pretty evident yesterday. They still feel like they're in this thing.
I think we should try and win games  
djm : 10/28/2013 11:49 am : link
and this comes from a guy who looks at the 2003 with fond memories. But this is a different team and situation. I said it 2-3 weeks ago that this team's goal should be to keep Coughlin's job secure. And I stand by that.

I don't want to start over. Take your 4-5 out of the playoffs and blow. They won a super bowl 2 years ago. Coughlin and Eli can win in the playoffs. That's all that matters to me. When things are going well, this team can deliver a title.

Keep the ship from sinking....MAYBE earn the right to play meaningful December games...but at least we are playing meaningful November games...that's a start. Keep it up. Beat OAK and get to 3-6.
I don't think there should be any question  
Giantology : 10/28/2013 11:49 am : link
You play to win the game.
Thanks,Herm  
Stu : 10/28/2013 11:50 am : link
.....
Play to win  
DavidinBMNY : 10/28/2013 11:53 am : link
But think long and hard as to what this team has shown through 8 games, which is not much.

I think you want to win and enjoy games. At the same time be realistic about this team. 2 wins against 2 bad teams. Getting lit up by good teams.

Many key performers had to be added to the roster due to injury. Hillis, Conner, Beason.


The other part of it is this  
dpinzow : 10/28/2013 11:55 am : link
Even if we have a go at it and it doesn't work out, we'll still be in a good position to pick one of Matthews, Lewan or that Alabama lineman's name I can't spell with a pick between 6 and 15. So it's not the worst thing in the world to take a shot at the season, finish 6-10 and get one of those guys in the draft even if we miss out on Clowney
with recent developments  
Les in TO : 10/28/2013 11:57 am : link
the giants are two games out of first with half a season left to go. so there is zero chance they are clowning for clowney.

one game at a time - next up oakland. if they can take care of oakland, which is by no means guaranteed, and hopefully these 2013 giants are humble enough to realize that they will have to go out and earn that win - then there is definitely still a lot of light left in the season and a pivotal home game against the packers.

i hate that there is a bye week here, the gmen have momentum and a relatively winnable home game next on their agenda.
The team itself will not tank effort wise  
MarshallOnMontana : 10/28/2013 11:58 am : link
but Im still of the opinion that these were largely two fools gold wins against teams who were in a massive state of flux at the QB position. Our offense is still a mess. We have one real TD drive the last two weeks. (The other started inside the 5 yard line). Im not yet changing my expectations for this season too much (or at least the expectations i developed after the Carolina game). 4/5 wins. We'll start knowing more after the GB game
Why are we revisiting this question?  
PatersonPlank : 10/28/2013 11:59 am : link
We play to win. Winning a lot of games toward the end of this season will give us a lot of momentum into next season, plus it will mean we figured things out with the current roster. This is worth a lot more than a few spots up the draft line. We will get a good player regardless and there is no guarantee a #5 will make it and a #15 won't. Plus theoretically we will have a much tought team because we will have filled holes.
How well have losing seasons worked out for the  
montanagiant : 10/28/2013 12:01 pm : link
Jags, Raiders, Bills, Miami, Skins, Detroit, and Rams?

They have had years of low round picks and all it has seemed to do is create a losing culture. You never play to lose
HELLO....."You play to win the game"...  
KingBlue : 10/28/2013 12:01 pm : link
in my best Herm Edwards impression.
MoM, the Minnesota win was definitely fools gold  
dpinzow : 10/28/2013 12:02 pm : link
but I saw massive improvement between Minnesota and Philly. I saw a pass rush, a secondary sticking to its receivers (DJax did virtually nothing), linebackers flowing to McCoy and shutting off the corner he loves to turn, and a different aggressiveness.

On offense, I saw a willingness to shorten up the passing routes, and some semblance of a running game. What I still need to see is finishing in the red zone and cleaning up the retarded procedure and delay of game penalties.
agreed  
MetsAreBack : 10/28/2013 12:02 pm : link
this is a 5 win team.. i could potentially see 6 wins just based on some late season games maybe not meaning anything (who knows if the Skins shut down RG3 at some point, for example), who knows about San Diego's mindset late in the year...

I think we beat Oakland, everyone gets their hopes up around here... and then Green Bay and Dallas soundly slam the door shut. Hope I'm wrong but I'm betting GB gives us some sound payback for last year's embarrassment.

The offense sucks. The Defense isnt as bad as they looked the first 6 games (which were all against terrific QBs, and they had to try and cover for a historic 23 turnovers in those 6 games too)... but they've certainly benefited from the opposing QB play the past 2 weeks too. Such is a NFL... a lot of mediocrity around the league.
Winning the NFC East  
TheBigBlueOne : 10/28/2013 12:04 pm : link
is very much in reach. We all suck so it comes down to which one of us can play their best the rest of the way. Why would we want to Clown for Clowney, or uh, Choke the Snake for Big Jake when the playoffs are within our capabilities?
Two games out at the midway point and you want to lose?  
Big Blue Blogger : 10/28/2013 12:09 pm : link
The 2012 Redskins took control of the East in a span of about three weeks after being left for dead. So did the 2011 Giants.

After the bye, the Giants start a three-game home stand. They need at least two wins in those three games, and they absolutely must beat Dallas. Achieve those goals, and they will likely enter December within one game of the division lead. Does that strike you as a hopeless scenario?

I have no illusions about the 2013 Giants. They have utterly stunk. They are also one Da'Rel Scott bobble away from first place. Funny game, football.
Tough question  
RB^2 : 10/28/2013 12:10 pm : link
If we had a 6-2 team in the division that was rolling, it would be a much easier question - just tank the season.

I think the division is still very much up for grabs, which is a testament to how terrible it is. The Giants have a realistic shot to win the division and make the playoffs before eventually getting annihilated at Seattle or New Orleans. The Giants still don't look like a quality football team.

In terms of the draft, you can absolutely get an impact player with the 15th pick or so but being pushed back several slots in each round is definitely a cumulative disadvantage.

At this point, I'd have to consider myself pretty indifferent between the two choices but the pendulum can swing pretty far in each week.
Well, a lot of good starting 6-2 several times did for us...  
silverfox : 10/28/2013 12:24 pm : link
...over the years...perhaps this is the new winning strategy.
Don't look at the record. Look at the division.  
Stu : 10/28/2013 12:26 pm : link
The Falcons are 2-5 and are completely dead. No shot in hell at making the playoffs. won't win that division and will certainly not be a Wild Card. While we may not be an elite team, this division is completely up for grabs.
Do players, veterans especially, even think like that?  
mamu : 10/28/2013 12:29 pm : link
Tank an entire season just so they can draft some dopey college kid for next year? That mindset seems crazy to me, some players probably know they might not even be on the team next year.

Try to make the playoffs by any means necessary. Get in and with Eli at QB, anything can happen.
There is no question that they are fighting.  
TheDarkKnight : 10/28/2013 12:30 pm : link
And that's a great thing to see. It means they have not tuned out Coughlin. I believe they should beat Oakland after the bye which will put them at 3-6. Green Bay & Dallas will be tough but I think they can split those two games & get to a record of 4-7. After that all bets are off. As of today those last 5 games look brutal. Back to back road games in San Diego & Washington followed by Seattle at home then off to Detroit before finishing at home against Washington. I really think they finish at 5-11 or 6-10. The 2 straight wins are great but they were against 2 anemic offensive units.
Of course you want to win every game you can.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/28/2013 12:31 pm : link
To me though, the team as presently constructed doesn't have the talent to win the division bad as it is. The Beason move was great. If they could make one more move to shore up the interior OL I'd feel a lot better.
Play to win!  
exiled : 10/28/2013 12:36 pm : link
Even after elimination! The regular season is more than just a playoff opportunity. And also, remember the last game of the 2007 season, the Pats game when the Giants already had a playoff spot? They played lights out. And lost, I know. But Coughlin would never do anything less.

why would you tank any season?  
marc in easton : 10/28/2013 1:07 pm : link
Skins gave up the farm for rg3 and for the second year in a row they may start 3-6. Its not a indictment of him really, he may be great in the end. You just never know what you're gonna get in the draft. So why tank a season? Plus I feel kids coming out college today aren't sure bets like they were in the past. Money too great, risk of complacency when paid. That's just me though
What maroon ...  
Houston : 10/28/2013 1:32 pm : link
When we are still in it - why would we tank the season? We have 2 weeks to prepareand start our second season.
ill say it again  
djm : 10/28/2013 1:40 pm : link
bad wins can lead to better wins down the road. There is no doubt that this team has a shit load of work to do. The last two wins showed more bad than good but they still won the games. They can improve off of these wins and I think we all can admit that as much as this offense has struggled, they have a ceiling that has yet to be reached.

The Giants are nowhere near where they need to be offensively but the defense is pretty solid, relatively speaking. It's an IF, but if the offense can get a little better every week they can get on a little role.

We have seen this team rise and fall and rise again in year's past. Maybe they win a few here and then shit the bed, ending up 5-11. Maybe they win out. Unlikely...but you never know...or maybe they end up 8-8 and give us some enjoyment and save Coughlin's job. What if Andre Brown comes back and the running game takes off? This offense can improve.

All I want is 3-6 for now. Then you have GB and Dallas and that's when the season starts. Hopefully it doesn't end before @ Washington. I am just grateful to be going to the Oak game with at least some juice. Walking into the stadium that day should be fun.
wouldn't it just be so poetic, typical and hilarious?  
djm : 10/28/2013 1:46 pm : link
The only unreal and impossibly awesome and ridiculous thing this regime can do to top the 2 prior super bowl runs is to win the East with a laughable 7-9 record, win out in the playoffs...and win the super bowl at home. The Universe then explodes.

Ok that's not happening. But it is the one thing that would top the last 2 runs. 7-9...super bowl champs. Got hot at the right time.
Djm  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/28/2013 2:57 pm : link
I agree completely. This defense also has a boatload of confidence right now and you cannot under estimate the impact confidence has on teams. Wins breed more wins. once you get with the idea that are capable of winning games, anything can happen. Am I optimistic? No. But dare I dream? Yes, I do. If the division winner is going to be 7-9 I can see us being right there with our 2nd half schedule. Doubtful, but posible.
RE: The team itself will not tank effort wise  
Kyle : 10/28/2013 3:00 pm : link
In comment 11305947 MarshallOnMontana said:
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but Im still of the opinion that these were largely two fools gold wins against teams who were in a massive state of flux at the QB position. Our offense is still a mess. We have one real TD drive the last two weeks. (The other started inside the 5 yard line). Im not yet changing my expectations for this season too much (or at least the expectations i developed after the Carolina game). 4/5 wins. We'll start knowing more after the GB game


Joe is right on the money here. Our wins had just as much to do with 3rd string QBs as they did with our own level of play. Even if we beat the Raiders, we won't know anything about this team until we play the Rodgers-led Packers in three weeks time.
The wins might be fools gold  
BlackLight : 10/28/2013 3:10 pm : link
But one thing is certain. All four NFC East teams are inconsistent at best. Philly and Washington are not good enough to contend for the division title.

Really, the goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs.
NJGiant  
djm : 10/28/2013 3:14 pm : link
the thing that a lot of people seem to be missing on is that this losing streak has happened many times before. Maybe not 6 games but this Coughlin regime has presided over shitty shitty 4-5 week stretches virtually every single year. The difference this year is not the level of stink as much as it was the timing of the stink. This shit usually happens in November. Not September-October.

Maybe they reverse the trend and get hot in November. They have been so streaky under Coughlin. IF they weren't streaky, they simply weren't playing. IT's who they are. Maybe they can orchestrate a reveral of streaks this season. Why the hell not.

Just get another one in two weeks. One at a time. Build a streak and build confidence.
at the very least  
djm : 10/28/2013 3:15 pm : link
we stopped the jay leno jokes. We're just normal bad as opposed to historically bad.
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