This is a great opportunity

What has Dallas or the Redskins shown you that has you so convinced that this 2 game lead is insurmountable? Dallas defense is just as bad, or arguably worse than ours. Same goes for the Redskins defense. Our offense is the same offense that finished in the top half of the league for the past 5+ years.

Its not crazy to think that the offensive line can start to gel about, help the running game, which will in turn help the passing game. Granted we did not score a lot of points last week, but we moved down the field with ease against the same Eagle defense that effectively shut down Dallas' offense the week before.

Against the lowest rated defense in the league. If we were faced good QB's we'd be 0-8. Not much more needs to be said.

And the Eagles gave up more yards to the Cowboys (who shot themselves in the foot multiple times that game) than to the Giants in this great shutdown of them.

The rest of the NFC East isn't any good and they haven't shown me much of anything, but that doesn't mean the Giants aren't worse and haven't shown even less.

might well put a crimp in Dallas' offense going forward too.

beyond being called an "optimist". I pray you're right, but I don't see how they do it. They have to sweep the 3 remaining games against the East (can surely be done) and take only one loss against Oakland, Green Bay, Seattle, San Diego, and Detroit. The Giants have not shown us they're capable of pulling that off this season.

if they take a fairly significant hit, and they've got an easier schedule, with a two game lead in hand.

and will choke. Like we did last season

and end up surprising.

In fact, in a couple of those seasons the season was basically reversed, a hot start with a cold finish. So, if we can get a shit start to end with a bang - why the hell not?

I think we ve done that several times before.

They can do it again. Depends on the OL.

1. They can't block for the run or pass.

2. Their WR's can't run the right routes or catch the ball when they do.

3. Their coaches can't make in game changes to counter act what the defense is doing.

Hard to make a run playing like this

We can't block
We don't make tackles on "D"
We don't cover on special Teams

They will fold. We need to win our next 2. If we split its over.

And I don't think it'll be long before they pass both in the standings.

Dallas? I don't know. That game in a few weeks could be a big deal. The Giants have to beat Oakland first, though. One week at a time.

The Giants aren't very good this year but I also don't know if they're quite as bad as their record indicates. The turnovers were just so killer during that 0-6 stretch. I really felt like we could have beaten Dallas and Chicago if we hadn't given it away.. but no excuses. They have no more room for error. Do or die.

Not necessarily.

We can win 2 of our next 3 and still be alive but one of those 2 wins HAS to be against Dallas.

I think Dallas will lose to the Saints in a couple weeks. The game is in New Orleans. So if that happens.. even if we lose to GB but beat Dallas, we'll be 1 back with 5 to play. Completely do-able.

and I think they'll play it that way. I'm sure TC will have some wise motto and get the team on board to start anew in the second half. Maybe they can finally finish the season strong - like 6-2 perhaps. We'll see how they come out of the gate. That will be the true indicator IMO.

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I would feel a hell of a lot more confident if we go 2-0 between now and the Cows. But you are right.

Simms. The new motto is already being preached. Watch the Sights and Sound video on Giants.com from the Eagles game. It is said a few times. "Can't be 10 & 6 without being 2 & 6" I am sure that is going to be repeated in two weeks as "Can't be 10 & 6 without being 3 & 6"

but in 2 weeks I can see them beating the rRaiders.

Assuming they do,at that point not having lost in 5 weeks, is it a given they lose to Green Bay?

There are ome things to consider:

What kind of running game will the Giants have, assuming a healthy Jacobs, Hillis, Brown?I can easily see that trio pummelling the crap out of almost any defensive line, and tiring them out by the 4th quarter.With Connor blocking, mind you, and that much more time in the system.

Beason,JPP,Hill,Thomas,Pugh,Cordle,Hillis,Connor.

That 9, NINE changes to the starting roster, since opening day.10 if you count Diehl switching in for Snee.

Out of 22 spots 9 are different.That's 40 percent difference since what we put on the field against the Cowboys. This is NOT the same team we started the season with.

Tuck is playing better
JPP is playing better.
Willims improves

Mcbride continues to develop

O line is improving.
Randle is Improving.



Say for arguments sake a TE finally gets it figured out.
What of jernigan continue to do what he did last game?
What If Nicks, in a contract year, starts playing like himself after the bye, after some rest?

Where is the glaring weakness at that point?

You all sure they lose to the Packers at home? I'm not.We have 3 road games the rest of the year. We don't leave NY till December.

While it's possible the players may not be enamored with Fewell, the defense hasn't given up a point in 10 quarters.

Both the offense and defense have made adjustments.

While the players are on vacation this week the coaches are self scouting, and more adjustments will be made.Say what you like about the OC and DC, it's clear to me that the HC has not lost the team.

if the Giants go on a run, and Wilson comes back like week 12 or 14, a good ground game gets better.

Even as it stands Eli has more time. I expect that to improve, not get worse as the season wears on.I'm sure he will turnover the ball again this season, but I'm fairly certain INTfest 2013 is over for Manning.

As the weather turns cold I can see a running game that punishes opponents.A pass rush developing.A passing game that starts to go from short to long.

This isn't a dead team.

We were a bad ,winless team. We aren't anymore.
Now we are a bad team with a losing record.I can see after the Green Bay game us simply being a team with a 4 game winning streak and a losing record.

It's possible we become a good team, and I am pretty certain we will be by seasons end.If we do become a good team, somewhere along the way we may shed that losing record.That starts to become unlikely, and a reach. As for the rest I think it not so hard to imagine.There's also a huge difference between unlikely and Impossible.

May not be their team, but their record.

All I know is that there's still a chance here and no matter how slim or shitty it seems.. the bottom line is that they need to make up 2 games on Dallas in 8 weeks of football. You can throw the records out the window. That's the bottom line.

Am I being way too positive or glass half full? Probably. But I have to be. It felt like it took an eternity for this year to start during the offseason.. it's here, we're in the middle of it and we're not out of it yet. I'm not giving up. This team looks like they're fighting harder at 2-6 than they were in Baltimore last year during a

I just want to see this team find a way to get through November and still be alive and in a position to make it happen. Maybe it's wishful thinking but I couldn't care less right now.

in Baltimore during a crucial late season game with serious playoff implications*

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A month from now the biggest problem the Giants have Great White Ghost : 8:12 pm : link : reply May not be their team, but their record.

The OP is highly optimistic, but as he mentioned, the NFC and this division is weak as fuck.

And with today's NFL, it's only about who's left standing..

The main problem against them is the hole they dug left zero room for error. and that's a tall task.

and potentially David Wilson healthy again.

Watch out Cowboys!

When the Redskins were 3-6, no one thought that team had a chance on the planet. And that was in a year where they needed 10 wins to win the division. We could easily be 3-6 in a week and a half and not even need 10 wins at the end.

Even in 2011.. after games like the Seahawks game where we lost to Tavaris freakn Jackson or the Redskins game in Week 15.. the thought of this team even making the playoffs let alone winning a Super Bowl seemed silly. They looked like an average-bad team a couple of different times that year.

You just never know. Almost any other year, we'd already have dug a hole too big. But we caught a huge break with the division sucking total ass this year.

The main issue is, they used up all their wiggle room.

the Giants totally need to keep in mind what the Redskins did to them last season.

3-6 became 10-6, NFC East champ.



They have FIVE home games to play. Make them count.

I think they almost have... but not yet.

Like I said before.. I think they can afford one more loss.. MAYBE 2 if things really break favorably.. but we cannot lose to Dallas on the 23rd.

If we beat Oakland and Dallas but lose to GB in the middle, we're still alive.. barely if Dallas beats Minnesota (they will) and New Orleans but only 1 game back and very much with 5 to go if they don't beat New Orleans (good chance they lose that game).

So yeah there's really not much wiggle room at all but I think we still have a lifeline left. Hopefully we don't use it any time soon.

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So yeah there's really not much wiggle room at all

bitch.

with games @ San Diego, Home vs Seattle, and @ Detroit.

I hope they can get 2 out of those 3 games.

I said there's still a tiny fuckin' bit.

See the difference shitbag?

you shitbag.

There's no fuckin wiggle room, end of discussion.

Yes.

Is it likely to happen again? Very unlikely.

Am I just going to accept the team sucks with 143 minutes of shutout football going and counting? Hell fucking no. I'm a fan. When the math eliminates them, then I'll give up.

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If the defense keeps up their play the giants could look like the 2011 playoff giants. But the TEs need to start playing lights out. OL too. And Eli has to hit Nicks on these TD passes

They are not making the playoffs. The offense is a disaster. No pass rush. Injured. Awful. Although, I think they can get back to prominence with Eli. I think he will get one more ring with the Giants and it is going to be a great story.

let's go to the Super Bowl!

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Hillis, Beason, Conner, Jacobs ....

All of them have made major contributions.

Jacobs, among all of them, is the most forgotten (despite putting 100+ on the Bears); a game the Giants came within one dropped pass of winning.

Then, there are the unexpected contributors (Thomas, especially, coming off NFL defensive player of the year) and Will Hill. The loss of interception phenom Stevie Brown was a great loss (not well replaced by Mundy); Hill represents amazing talent at the position.

So going into the bye week, the team can catch it's breath and is positioned to "shock the world".

I was referring to a stretch of 2-6 at some point in that season. Nice try, though.

that act like all of the sudden we have such a horrible roster and we completely "suck". Yeah, and Eli lost it, and Coughlin forgot how to coach. Yeah and a half year ago they were being drenched in confetti but they suck now. pffft. We absolutely are playing below our talent level and could easily be 4-4 right now if we hadn't handed Chicago and Dallas wins. You can absolutely knock the offensive line and the hell we went though in the early part of the season but I actually feel the roster is better across the board in almost every other area. Maybe we make a run and maybe we wont but we damn sure are as good and talented as any other team in our division and we are 2 out with 8 to play.

Dream on the draft all you losers want.

We do have wiggle room and I think a 6-2 record could win the East at 8-8. However the Giants are definitely taking this season 1 game at a time from here on out. Nobody plays the underdog role the "we against the world" mentality better than the Giants. This team has historically thrived on it, and it sure looks just about everyone has counted them out outside that locker room including many fans. I expect the Giants to be motivated and focused coming out of this break.
GB is beatable but the key game will be the Dallas game. Oakland really is made to order for us. Then the GB game becomes a big thing because now that becomes a measuring stick game for this team. It will give them a chance to legitimize the previous 3 weeks of wins. Because the pundits will echo what some of you here are saying that "oh they haven't beaten anybody". I love that because this team loves proving people wrong.
Also think about this, who exactly has Dallas beaten that makes everyone think they can hold an 2 game lead with 8 left?
They have beaten us, Rams, Eagles and Skins. All sub .500 teams and a history of lack of leadership (see Dez come unglued in there latest big game in Detroit) and history of folding in big spots. See last year where the East was there's for the taking and the Skins put the heat on them and they folded. This isn't over yet, I think the Giants have figured out how the need to play on both sides of the ball in order to win going forward and get this done.
Time will tell.

nice try back at you?

rather than the pack leader, like last year.


We got some Cowboys to hunt down this season.

The Raider game is not a gimmee. It is winnable, but we could lose. Have to take it one game at a time. That said, IF they beat the Raiders AND GB it becomes interesting.

I'm looking forward to weekend without the Giants. Then, let's beat Oakland.

...and 99% of the media has them left for dead, I start to feel good.

That's just how it's always been.

I'm not going to expect any miracles but I think this team has some fight in them yet.

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See last year where the East was there's for the taking and the Skins put the heat on them and they folded

There was another team that folded down the stretch in the East last year. Three guesses as to who it was?

At least in 11 there were flashes of a competitive football team (SF, GB, NE, our hot start, etc.). Our offense hasn't had a good game this year. They flashed in Dallas, but you can't just take away those turnovers. The team hasn't inspired confidence that they can go on a run.

the blueprint is more 1990 Giants or the current version of the Chiefs, rather than 2007 or 2011; they need to rely on a conservative offense, with a healthy dose of hillis/jacobs and playing the time of possession and field position game, rather than the nfl follies/chuck n duck version of the greatest show on turf.

i realize that the competition has not been great the last two weeks, but the defense has pitched two consecutive shutouts which is no small feat; they shut down two of the best RBs in the game. beason and hill have ignited the D, which was actually "good" overall the first six games (they were harmed by the fact that the giants offense was its own worst enemy, with the pick sixes, 3 and outs leading to no rest for the D and terrible field position).

the offensive line is shaky in pass pro for long developing plays, so they need to get into a rhythm by running the football or shorter throws, which linemen much prefer over pass pro. soften the defense up and then unleash the cruz, nicks, wilson, randle and jernigans, etc.

overall, they need to cut out unforced errors and play intense, sharp football: no room for bad snaps, illegal formation penalties, delays of game, miscommunications between eli and randle leading to pick 6s, tripping over their own two feet (hello myers), clown screen passes, offsides, ticky tacky roughing the QB penalties, unsportsmanlike conduct etc etc.

Daft. The word was invented to describe this sort of suggestion.

deal with a lot of running/mobile quarterbacks in Pryor, Rodgers, Romo, RG3 (twice), and Wilson.

Oh, and by the way, the other two guys we have to face are Stafford and Rivers who are probably having the best years of their careers.

To me, the #1 biggest thing that has to improve will be the pass rush/blitzes on 3rd down. Giants are going to take some lumps but we have to give some as well and get off the field on 3rd down from time to time.

Otherwise, we can go back to talking about who to draft with the #3 pick.

Yes the Giants folded down the stretch last year and also have had a history of weak second halfs, however which team between the Giants and Boyz would you trust in a tough game?
Which team has a history of doing well in adverse times when pundits have counted them out?
I'll give you 3 guesses?