when you consider his standing with fans, it's just another matchstrike ...
He shouldn't make these remarks to the media, certainly obvious and true enough. The sentiment is likely accurate, and this has been in the back channels for months, and posted on the forum as well. Nicks isn't getting $10M+ per from NYG ...
He's probably right. It seems unlikely that the Giants can dedicate
these guys for giving boilerplate answers to questions and we kill them for telling the truth. It is obviously no team secret that Nicks does not want to be here anymore. Diehl told the truth
Where did you hear this? My guess is that just the opposite is true. The Giants haven't tried to extend him and that's why he's been so non-committal about his loyalty to Big Blue.
Again, from the Giants perspective, Nicks's injury-history is such that it's just not prudent to do anything but let him play out his cost-friendly rookie contract and then re-evaluate from there.
While I agree with those that think Diehl should've kept his mouth shut, I believe he was speaking out as both a favor to his agent and Nicks, setting the stage for his anticipated foray into the free agency market by couching in terms of an understandable business decision by both the Giants (because they are already paying Cruz big bucks) and Nicks (because he can get #1 WR money from another team that he won't be able to get from the Giants). In other words, his exit won't be based on any acrimony or disappointment between the team and the player.
That will all change when the Giants slap Nicks with the franchise tag.
It is obviously no team secret that Nicks does not want to be here anymore.
I don't think this is true. I think Nicks merely wants to go where the money is. If the Giants offer him a boatload of money, he will rave about the city, the organization, his teammates, the fans, the media, God and country.
What beat? I've read nothing of it. And after the injury-plagued season Nicks had in 2012, it would make no sense for the Giants to try to extend him (and by that, I mean extend him at a price that Nicks would seriously consider).
It is what I was told, it probably didn't get printed at the time
They attempted to extend him for money in the same ballpark as Cruz, and it was declined. The talk was also that Nicks preferred to play elsewhere. This is likely not a secret in the lockerroom, which Diehl essentially confirmed.
Given all the needs this team will have, I doubt they'll spend to retain Nicks. I'd also go the Franchise Tag route, but only if they feel pretty strongly about the trade market for him.
You don't get better by allowing play makers to leave. Nicks has been a great receiver, and will return to that form. If that occurs all the GM's on this site will then be railing Reese for letting him walk.
should only be on the team next year if he is physically able to and only as a utility backup on the bench.
If Nicks is gone, he should do everything in his power in the next eight games to increase his market value by playing at the highest level possible. hopefully he elects not to make business decisions that result in uneccesssary INTs/incomplete passes.
Championships by locking up insane amounts of money at one position when that position isn't QB, and you have a guy in the wings you drafted as a possible replacement who's looking good.
but the Giants have put themselves in a position where WR is an absolutely critical position, and they play in an offensive scheme where rookies don't very often get to make contributions without a lot of time on the bench.
So, fine, you want to let Nicks walk, go ahead, but recognize that you'll need to spend a draft pick to replace him, and we haven't had much luck finding those under round 2.
And know that receiver may not make an impact till his second year, which affects your position depth.
...for players who are worth the money, regardless of how many dollars are already devoted to the position. That's how you win. But you don't win if you tie up cap money on players who spend more time in the tub than they do on the field. And there-in lies the dilemma with Nicks. If healthy, he is worth the money. If not, he ain't.
Which is why I believe the Giants will roll the dice and franchise him. It kicks the can down the road, so to speak, but I think it's the right way to play it. He's too valuable an asset to let go for nothing and too risky of an investment to give him the long-term $10+M/year contract with $20+M guaranteed that he is likely seeking.
In comment 11312257 Les in TO said:
[quote] should only be on the team next year if he is physically able to and only as a utility backup on the bench.
Absolutely not. This crap has got stop where we want to keep underperformers and guys in decline for the sake of being a backup or marginal starter because FO doesn't want to make the tough choice. All it does it weaken the roster from top to bottom.
Giants need a healthy housecleaning and bring in youth and guys with go-forward value and start letting go players that just can't/don't bring it anymore as a starter or back-up. I realize you will need some vets but we have plenty that we will be keeping.
so let's crucify him? Some of you need to get happy with yourselves, haha.
I do not think it is the best situation that this is out publicly, but perhaps there's a measure to what was said here. Diehl is no dummy, and I don't think there is any question who bleeds blue more Diehl or Hakeem, considering Hakeem looks disinterested/disconnected this year and has eyes on FA. Perhaps Diehl is looking to expose that Hakeem's heart is not in NY, or his mind is elsewhere ($), to help motivate him to play better.
Or he is the Giants go-to PR mouthpiece to start warming the public up to the fact Nicks might realistically be elsewhere, and ready the fan base for seeing Randle replace Nicks in the lineup as the season moves along.
and always will be, but I get the sense that he absolutely want's to test FA and get paid which he will. The Giants unfortunately have far to many holes and $ to allocate elsewhere for this team to be viable. It's looking like their going to have to let him go at the end, not sure how much franchise tagging him may do. But I'm for it, hey maybe someone else bites and takes him and we get the 1st rd pick, or at least you get A true #1 WR for another year and draft another WR high to develop in another year.
I'm also all for bringing back Manningham or going high draft pick if we can score extra pcks via trade down. Give me a Watkins or Lee and I'd feel pretty good with that. This Offense may go through some serious changes in the off season anyway, a new OC might be detrimental in what wepons we decide to keep or go after. Randle and Cruz are both good insurance right now though, and I think if you add a TE threat and keep the short passing game to Wilson and other RB's then you have a dangerous enough Offense.
that the Giants can't devote too many cap dollars to the WR position. Because of the complex offense they run, I think they're almost forced to. Starting over with a new WR is a bigger step back for the Giants than for other teams.
with Nicks is whether the lack of explosion he currently has is if he is truly shaking the rust off from his surgeries or if he has lost a step or two. Granted, he never created a ton of separation, he has clearly does not have the same explosion from 2011.
If he starts to show some of that explosion is re-gained, even with putting up mediocre stats the remainder of the year, I can't see the Giants letting him walk for nothing when they clearly value Nicks with all the quotes thrown around about him being the lynch pin to our offense (Eli, Reese, Gilbride all have said this), a trusted WR in Eli's eyes and a former first round pick we have a lot of time ivnested in.
They will franchise him with the hopes of either:
A. working out a reasonable long term deal at their price since they will hold all the cards or
B. Try to trade work out a trade for whoever is desperate enough (2nd rounder with our old friend Gettelman?)
If he continues to muddle along at this current pace (not stats) but the way he looks, then I could see them offering a reasonable deal, him declining, and the market will dictate his value which will probably be over our price.
Nicks is having a bad year because Eli is having a bad year. Eli is having a bad year because the o-line is having a bad year. You can't catch a pass when your QB is running for his life accumulating intentional ground penalties and throwing INT's like confetti.
level of performance. And I don't think anyone who thinks that he is a currently sub-par nfl lineman is demonstrating a lack of understanding of the game. Thinking his past performance is relevant to an evaluation of his current play however...
so let's crucify him? Some of you need to get happy with yourselves, haha.
I do not think it is the best situation that this is out publicly, but perhaps there's a measure to what was said here. Diehl is no dummy, and I don't think there is any question who bleeds blue more Diehl or Hakeem, considering Hakeem looks disinterested/disconnected this year and has eyes on FA. Perhaps Diehl is looking to expose that Hakeem's heart is not in NY, or his mind is elsewhere ($), to help motivate him to play better.
Or he is the Giants go-to PR mouthpiece to start warming the public up to the fact Nicks might realistically be elsewhere, and ready the fan base for seeing Randle replace Nicks in the lineup as the season moves along.
If Diehl wants to deal in honesty, he's playing like a broken swinging door! He's the worst player of the O-Line right now, I hate to say it but, Cordle has turned a better performance to date than Diehl. I say he is likely gone also! Maybe he can follow Nicks to the Panthers next year!
Diehl was asked a question and he responded. So know he's getting killed about HIS play because he answered a question that been a running thread on BBI for about 3 weeks???..
He's getting help from Cordle and Pugh now. Teams are only rushing 4 (and still getting pressure). Did anyone watch the Philly game last weekend. Guy was a fkin shit-show and the reason why he was less noticeabley bad was because we actually game planed for his shitty-ness with a short passing gameplan.
Diehl was asked a question and he responded. So know he's getting killed about HIS play because he answered a question that been a running thread on BBI for about 3 weeks???..
NOPE, I take every chance I get to kill Diehl's PISS POOR performance, I saw a a Diehl topic and took the opportunity to speak out on his play and where I hope he winds up next year!
a good offensive lineman and was a huge asset on the Giants roster. Now he is below average and pretty expensive to boot. He is continuously losing his assignment and can no longer effectively perform the tasks required to be a full time starter. As he fails, the teams fails. We have seen enough of that already this season.
"Go ask Nicks, it's not appropriate for me to comment about another person's job"
Put yourself in that position in a job which is so closely integrated (and competitive), in terms of performance. Wouldn't that royally piss you off, somebody running his mouth about something that's solely between you and your employer ?
I know, the guy is on-edge ( he just took a huge pay-cut and his grades have to show how bad he's stinking the place up). So he flaps his big mouth and poisons the locker-room. I bet he doesn't have one single friend left in there. I wouldn't trust him with the "honey" (latrine) bucket.
It's a "f'ed-up" situation, just when the team's going into the bye week. trying to get rejuvenated for the stretch run. There's in enough bad that's happened to this team, this year. Jerry must be tempted to unplug the lamp off the wall and strangle Diehl with the cord !
He shouldn't make these remarks to the media, certainly obvious and true enough. The sentiment is likely accurate, and this has been in the back channels for months, and posted on the forum as well. Nicks isn't getting $10M+ per from NYG ...
Where did you hear this? My guess is that just the opposite is true. The Giants haven't tried to extend him and that's why he's been so non-committal about his loyalty to Big Blue.
Again, from the Giants perspective, Nicks's injury-history is such that it's just not prudent to do anything but let him play out his cost-friendly rookie contract and then re-evaluate from there.
While I agree with those that think Diehl should've kept his mouth shut, I believe he was speaking out as both a favor to his agent and Nicks, setting the stage for his anticipated foray into the free agency market by couching in terms of an understandable business decision by both the Giants (because they are already paying Cruz big bucks) and Nicks (because he can get #1 WR money from another team that he won't be able to get from the Giants). In other words, his exit won't be based on any acrimony or disappointment between the team and the player.
That will all change when the Giants slap Nicks with the franchise tag.
Given all the needs this team will have, I doubt they'll spend to retain Nicks. I'd also go the Franchise Tag route, but only if they feel pretty strongly about the trade market for him.
You don't get better by allowing play makers to leave. Nicks has been a great receiver, and will return to that form. If that occurs all the GM's on this site will then be railing Reese for letting him walk.
If Nicks is gone, he should do everything in his power in the next eight games to increase his market value by playing at the highest level possible. hopefully he elects not to make business decisions that result in uneccesssary INTs/incomplete passes.
You keep all your options open.
Nicks, Cruz, & Randle as your top 3...
OR
Randle, Cruz, & Manningham as your top 3?
So, fine, you want to let Nicks walk, go ahead, but recognize that you'll need to spend a draft pick to replace him, and we haven't had much luck finding those under round 2.
And know that receiver may not make an impact till his second year, which affects your position depth.
Which is why I believe the Giants will roll the dice and franchise him. It kicks the can down the road, so to speak, but I think it's the right way to play it. He's too valuable an asset to let go for nothing and too risky of an investment to give him the long-term $10+M/year contract with $20+M guaranteed that he is likely seeking.
[quote] should only be on the team next year if he is physically able to and only as a utility backup on the bench.
Absolutely not. This crap has got stop where we want to keep underperformers and guys in decline for the sake of being a backup or marginal starter because FO doesn't want to make the tough choice. All it does it weaken the roster from top to bottom.
Giants need a healthy housecleaning and bring in youth and guys with go-forward value and start letting go players that just can't/don't bring it anymore as a starter or back-up. I realize you will need some vets but we have plenty that we will be keeping.
I do not think it is the best situation that this is out publicly, but perhaps there's a measure to what was said here. Diehl is no dummy, and I don't think there is any question who bleeds blue more Diehl or Hakeem, considering Hakeem looks disinterested/disconnected this year and has eyes on FA. Perhaps Diehl is looking to expose that Hakeem's heart is not in NY, or his mind is elsewhere ($), to help motivate him to play better.
Or he is the Giants go-to PR mouthpiece to start warming the public up to the fact Nicks might realistically be elsewhere, and ready the fan base for seeing Randle replace Nicks in the lineup as the season moves along.
Proceed?
Obviously Nick's market value is very high. Diehl was acknowledging that while providing some motivation to step it up for the rest of the year.
Diehl blows. This isnt opinion anymore.
I'm also all for bringing back Manningham or going high draft pick if we can score extra pcks via trade down. Give me a Watkins or Lee and I'd feel pretty good with that. This Offense may go through some serious changes in the off season anyway, a new OC might be detrimental in what wepons we decide to keep or go after. Randle and Cruz are both good insurance right now though, and I think if you add a TE threat and keep the short passing game to Wilson and other RB's then you have a dangerous enough Offense.
Now torch me.
If he starts to show some of that explosion is re-gained, even with putting up mediocre stats the remainder of the year, I can't see the Giants letting him walk for nothing when they clearly value Nicks with all the quotes thrown around about him being the lynch pin to our offense (Eli, Reese, Gilbride all have said this), a trusted WR in Eli's eyes and a former first round pick we have a lot of time ivnested in.
They will franchise him with the hopes of either:
A. working out a reasonable long term deal at their price since they will hold all the cards or
B. Try to trade work out a trade for whoever is desperate enough (2nd rounder with our old friend Gettelman?)
If he continues to muddle along at this current pace (not stats) but the way he looks, then I could see them offering a reasonable deal, him declining, and the market will dictate his value which will probably be over our price.
Guy has been a great Giants and those who belittle him again and again on this site only show their lack of understanding of the game.
I do not think it is the best situation that this is out publicly, but perhaps there's a measure to what was said here. Diehl is no dummy, and I don't think there is any question who bleeds blue more Diehl or Hakeem, considering Hakeem looks disinterested/disconnected this year and has eyes on FA. Perhaps Diehl is looking to expose that Hakeem's heart is not in NY, or his mind is elsewhere ($), to help motivate him to play better.
Or he is the Giants go-to PR mouthpiece to start warming the public up to the fact Nicks might realistically be elsewhere, and ready the fan base for seeing Randle replace Nicks in the lineup as the season moves along.
If Diehl wants to deal in honesty, he's playing like a broken swinging door! He's the worst player of the O-Line right now, I hate to say it but, Cordle has turned a better performance to date than Diehl. I say he is likely gone also! Maybe he can follow Nicks to the Panthers next year!
NOPE, I take every chance I get to kill Diehl's PISS POOR performance, I saw a a Diehl topic and took the opportunity to speak out on his play and where I hope he winds up next year!
Guy has been a great Giants and those who belittle him again and again on this site only show their lack of understanding of the game.
DD has been horrible on this line this year, if anything PUGH is helping him ...
DD is also a spell from dungeons and dragons called "Dimension door" ... which is what I shall call DD now.
Put yourself in that position in a job which is so closely integrated (and competitive), in terms of performance. Wouldn't that royally piss you off, somebody running his mouth about something that's solely between you and your employer ?
I know, the guy is on-edge ( he just took a huge pay-cut and his grades have to show how bad he's stinking the place up). So he flaps his big mouth and poisons the locker-room. I bet he doesn't have one single friend left in there. I wouldn't trust him with the "honey" (latrine) bucket.
It's a "f'ed-up" situation, just when the team's going into the bye week. trying to get rejuvenated for the stretch run. There's in enough bad that's happened to this team, this year. Jerry must be tempted to unplug the lamp off the wall and strangle Diehl with the cord !