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David Diehl doesn't think Nicks will return next year

DaddyM89 : 10/30/2013 6:05 pm
When asked about the subject he said "Don't see it happening"
I  
robbieballs2003 : 10/30/2013 6:08 pm : link
see
this - ( New Window )
Wonder if he's implying anything with that response...  
Dannyc58 : 10/30/2013 6:08 pm : link
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When/where did he say this?  
Riggies : 10/30/2013 6:08 pm : link
Lovely that one of the worst OL in the entire NFL now decides to stir a pot though.

Is it really that hard to give some "I hope things work out, but we'll see" answer?
Nicks doesn't think David Diehl will return next year, either  
Kyle : 10/30/2013 6:11 pm : link
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wow this dude really  
mikecf2 : 10/30/2013 6:12 pm : link
Should worry about himself.
Neither did I.  
AnishPatel : 10/30/2013 6:13 pm : link
I think the Panthers will sign him. Dave G will make it happen.
I'm surprised  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/30/2013 6:15 pm : link
You don't usually hear a player commenting on a teammates free agency status. Especially this early in the season.
riggies  
DaddyM89 : 10/30/2013 6:16 pm : link
he said it today i believe i got an alert from bleacher report with the quote
I don't think David Diehl will return next year  
jeff57 : 10/30/2013 6:16 pm : link
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But where did it come from? Was he on NFLN again?  
Riggies : 10/30/2013 6:19 pm : link
In comment 11311380 Kyle said:
Quote:
Nicks doesn't think David Diehl will return next year, either.


Nicks, sadly, would be wrong.

Diehl is forever. He's going to outlast everyone, at this point I'm sure of it.
i think Diehl should worry about keeping Eli upright  
Jints in Carolina : 10/30/2013 6:19 pm : link
and not worry about Nicks.
STFU DAVID!!  
Vin R : 10/30/2013 6:28 pm : link



- BBI

Diehl is like gum on your shoe  
Jimmy Googs : 10/30/2013 6:37 pm : link

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I still find it hard to believe,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/30/2013 6:37 pm : link
that Diehl would say that. He's smarter then that.
RE: Neither did I.  
Optimus-NY : 10/30/2013 6:40 pm : link
In comment 11311385 AnishPatel said:
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I think the Panthers will sign him. Dave G will make it happen.


I agree Anish. Remember when a lot of us read the tea leaves last year and though Osi would wind up leaving in Free Agency and go to Atlanta? It seems to be the same thing next year with Nicks and Carolina (unless the Giants use the franchise tag on him). They're almost $12 million under the cap now, and should have a lot of free cap room to sign him if he's on the market.
I hope Diehl isn't back next  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/30/2013 6:42 pm : link
season either.
Please provide a link  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/30/2013 6:42 pm : link
want to see the wording of the question.
Is there a link...  
Chris in Philly : 10/30/2013 6:42 pm : link
for this or should we all just continue to piss ourselves over word of mouth?
Anyone who thinks that Nicks is coming back  
gersh : 10/30/2013 6:44 pm : link
Has ignored everything that has happened since last season.
No way, no how
Hakeem Nicks knows Diehl  
Joey from GlenCove : 10/30/2013 6:47 pm : link
Wont be back next year
..  
JCin332 : 10/30/2013 6:50 pm : link
A) We still haven't seen a link

and

B) I still think he could be franchised
From PFT  
lt56giants : 10/30/2013 6:51 pm : link
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
From @PFTonNBCSN, Giants OL David Diehl on WR Hakeem Nicks returning to the team next year: "I don't see it happening."
Still don't see the actual wording of the question  
Steve in South Jersey : 10/30/2013 6:52 pm : link
I am skeptical
smart money is that he doesn't return  
bc4life : 10/30/2013 6:54 pm : link
with this team's needs - you don't tie up another major contract on wr.
more concerned  
bc4life : 10/30/2013 6:56 pm : link
with Joseph and Rolle
Don't  
AcidTest : 10/30/2013 6:57 pm : link
think he'll be back either, but injuries and dropped passes may cause his value to decline to the point where we can afford him.
RE: I still find it hard to believe,  
G2 : 10/30/2013 6:58 pm : link
In comment 11311421 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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that Diehl would say that. He's smarter then that.


There's a DUI checkpoint that would beg to differ
The issue isn't whether any of us believe Nicks will be back or not.  
Riggies : 10/30/2013 6:58 pm : link
The issue is Diehl not just giving a generic answer and choosing to stir things up more (even though the trade deadline just passed, settling them down at least a little).

For an alleged team leader, it's as piss poor of a move as most of the ones he makes on the field and if I were Nicks, I'd be irritated as hell with him.
The problem is, who do we have?  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/30/2013 7:00 pm : link
Are we going to bank on Randle learning this offense. I don't think so.
G2  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/30/2013 7:02 pm : link
Good point.
Diehl has done evertthing he can do to help  
gersh : 10/30/2013 7:08 pm : link
This team win since he came here. Including playing hurt. Granted his limitations leave him open to a lot of criticism.
Nicks stopped being that guy this season. Diehl is only stating the obvious.
Nicks is done playing football for the Giants. He merely going thru the motions while he tries to stay healthy to sign his one huge deal for his career.
What's wrong with what he said?  
bc4life : 10/30/2013 7:11 pm : link
Basically it means Nicks will get a big payday
I saw the interview.  
chad : 10/30/2013 7:18 pm : link
He meant it only in terms of dollars, as Nicks is a legit #1 receiver. When healthy, he is the second best player on offense, IMHO. Nothing against Cruz, different types of players.
Delete this  
rdt288 : 10/30/2013 7:18 pm : link
And if there is a reliable source, show it

He's in the locker room with the guy  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/30/2013 7:20 pm : link
he probably knows where Nick's head is at when it comes to free agency. And the word floating around the ether has been that Nicks wants to test free agency. Lots of speculation surrounding Carolina.

So with all that in mind, Diehl probably isn't wrong. Now, maybe he should keep that information to himself, but that's another matter. I wouldn't dismiss what he says.
^^^  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/30/2013 7:21 pm : link
Assuming he actually said it of course.
Diehl's correct.  
GFL in WV : 10/30/2013 7:21 pm : link
Nicks is just an average ballplayer now who will want to be paid like and elite ballplayer. If you want that kind of pay, you don't drop the passes Nicks has dropped this year. Let him go.
I Get a Kick Out of the Hatred For DD  
Bernie : 10/30/2013 7:24 pm : link
The guy has been a warrior for this team for over 10 years and the left tackle on 2 Super Bowl Champion teams. Yet some (primarily the newer members of BBI) talk of him as if he were Ian Allen. If you want to see what a bad offensive lineman looked like, go back and look at that guys performance.

Nicks will be moving on. Everyone knows it and you guys act like DD just made some monumental and controversial comment. He was stating the obvious.
Just franchise him  
Giants2012 : 10/30/2013 7:28 pm : link
It's only a fortune for one season. Resign him if he's worth it.
still  
blue42 : 10/30/2013 7:29 pm : link
no link.....sure he may not return but really that's not news.
Still no link....
BTW, the  
blue42 : 10/30/2013 7:31 pm : link
guys crying for linebackers and OL realize we cant't tie up 40% of our salary cap in a qb and two receivers.
Speculation from anyone at this time is pointless...  
Pete in CO : 10/30/2013 7:32 pm : link
...I bet even Hakeem Nicks and Peter Schaffer (agent) don't know. Nor will the NYG until they figure out their cap situation.
He said it  
jcn56 : 10/30/2013 7:39 pm : link
And while I've defended Diehl in the past, I really can't understand why he didn't offer up the standard 'no idea' type response and gave his opinion instead. No good could come from that.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/30/david-diehl-doesnt-see-hakeem-nicks-returning-to-the-giants/ - ( New Window )
Likely a true statement;  
old man : 10/30/2013 7:53 pm : link
but for a TEAM guy, it did the FO no favors.
Personally, I think he goes, unless the playbook is redesigned to feature him more/put him in schemes to get him open more.
Franchising may only delay the inevitable. And another year of 'just enough' to get the big contract.
Like I said, I think he's gone.
Likely a true statement;  
old man : 10/30/2013 7:55 pm : link
but for a TEAM guy, it did the FO no favors.
Personally, I think he goes, unless the playbook is redesigned to feature him more/put him in schemes to get him open more.
Franchising may only delay the inevitable. And another year of 'just enough' to get the big contract.
Like I said, I think he's gone.
A pro doesn't comment on a team-mate's contract situation.  
Killed the K-Gun : 10/30/2013 7:56 pm : link
Is DD trying on his next gig for size? If so, GTFO.

Maybe they already talked about  
Mike from Ohio : 10/30/2013 8:06 pm : link
going halvsies on a moving van?
I was wrong, he's not smarter then that.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/30/2013 8:33 pm : link
That was a stupid thing to say. If I were Nicks or management , I would be pissed
First time ever i believe  
Giants2012 : 10/30/2013 8:35 pm : link
Fame has gone to his. That interview was much more arrogant than humble IMO. DD has no idea what Reese and Ownership are thinking.
DD is angling for a broadcasting job in the near future  
spike : 10/30/2013 8:42 pm : link
so this is what he is doing here, catering to his future employers
RE: Nicks doesn't think David Diehl will return next year, either  
islander1 : 10/30/2013 8:59 pm : link
In comment 11311380 Kyle said:
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I lol'd.
Nicks is going to be disappointed if he expects to be paid  
Reese's Pieces : 10/30/2013 9:02 pm : link
like Wallace. The Dolphins are already disappointed that they paid that much for him. In 7 games he has caught 30 for 398 yards with 1 touchdown and seven drops.

Nicks has against him his injury history, never having played a full 16 game season, and his attitude problem having skipped all the pre-camp team workouts this year. Add to that that he'll probably be coming off a bad year on a losing club.

I hope he doesn't end up in a position, like Manningham, where he ends up signing with another team for less than the Giants offered him to stay.
David Diehl has to learn not to tell the truth  
oipolloi : 10/30/2013 9:39 pm : link
in today's world, speaking the truth in public will generally lead to negative results
To Diehl ...  
Manny in CA : 10/30/2013 9:43 pm : link
1. None of your business

2. You're in NO position to be offering opinions (since you're basically stinking)

3. Shut yo mouth !
Not a shocker  
Sammo284 : 10/30/2013 9:49 pm : link
Anybody who thinks Nicks is worth re-signing vis-a-vis our situation or worth dumping a franchise tag on is not paying attention. This Giants team has so many needs it has to fill through the FA/draft, it's going to need to go out and sign some guys over a number of positions. Dumping a huge ton of cap room into a portion of just your offense is idiotic.

Nevermind that Nicks hasn't really been any good at all so far this year to boot. Randle for all his occasional errors has more than answered any questions as to how his talent can translate into the WR set and overall offense. Plus, it makes a ton of sense to draft another WR at some point who can be a cheap option as Jernigan looks like a bust. You don't pay two WRs even close to big money anymore. It just doesn't work, and unless they are legends, which Nicks isn't, you're probably going to fail and fail badly.
I never thought he was coming back  
Mark from Jersey : 10/30/2013 9:51 pm : link
which is why I was disappointed he wasn't traded.
Diehl also mentions that he and Nicks share an agent  
Milton : 10/30/2013 9:56 pm : link
His comment about Nicks pricing himself out of the Giants market could be at the request of his agent.
Diehl was just giving his opinion  
mrvax : 10/30/2013 10:20 pm : link
and probably knows a lot more than we do about the whole issue.

Does anyone know exactly what it is/was that caused Nicks to want off the Giants? I can't remember any incidents. I do remember Nicks commenting about coming back too soon from an injury last season.
mrvax  
Milton : 10/30/2013 10:29 pm : link
I think it's strictly about the money. Nothing personal, just business on both sides.
...  
Milton : 10/30/2013 10:34 pm : link
If the Giants had offered him a 6 year $60M extension prior to the season, Nicks would be saying how much he loves the organization, the fans, and the city and how he wants to finish his career here.

And if Nicks didn't have such a long history of injuries, the Giants probably would've made him that offer.
DD was wrong  
sjh50 : 10/30/2013 11:08 pm : link
To not give a generic answer; for that I disagree with the comment.

However, his logic is spot on and what I've been thinking for awhile. Nicks wants to, and people will pay, for him to be a #1 WR. He's by far the cream of the '14 NFL WR FA crop,even if he tanks the rest of the season. Unless he has a real particular allegiance to the Giants and NYC, I can't see him being with the Giants (unless we Franchised him, which I'm pretty much for).

Nicks doesnt have to "want off" the Giants to leave.  
j_rud : 10/30/2013 11:21 pm : link
His next contract will likely he his last big money deal, maybe he just wants to maximize his value on the FA market. Odds are someone will throw a ton of money at him. There doesn't have to be any I'll will involved.

As for Diehl, sure, he was only answering a question. But that doesn't make his answer wise or appropriate. At least he's consistent in showing bad form on the field as well as the locker room. He could've easily given a standard "Why are you asking me? I have no idea". I wonder how Diehl would feel if teammates started speculating on his future.
David Dielhl the saboteur strikes again.  
Rob_MTL : 10/31/2013 3:06 am : link
Even during the bye week he manages to fuck things up for the Giants.

RE: DD is angling for a broadcasting job in the near future  
Sonic Youth : 10/31/2013 4:30 am : link
In comment 11311608 spike said:
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so this is what he is doing here, catering to his future employers


This is so stupid. You think Diehl processed all this in the .08 seconds between when he was asked this specific question and when he answered?
Trade  
Pete from Woodstock : 10/31/2013 6:45 am : link
guess we "should" have traded him before the deadline... now he'll just walk away and the Giants will get nothing
This is news?  
Randy in CT : 10/31/2013 6:45 am : link
Great job!
Diehl  
TMS : 10/31/2013 6:50 am : link
has media aspirations so he will make statements at every opportubity to further that goal. He was just stating his opinion based on what he knows about the situation. Which is not much. Big deal over nothing even if he turns out to be right.
was it  
giantranger : 10/31/2013 7:12 am : link
Beer:30 when he was asked this question?
brotherhood  
area junc : 10/31/2013 8:36 am : link
i'm surprised at diehl. there's an unwritten rule never to discuss a fellow union members contract. diehl seems like the type of guy who would follow the creed 100%.

everyone in the lockerroom has known hakeem is leaving since last year. giants tried to extend him and he rejected it. but there is no reason to cause a stir in the media
I don't understand why Diehl would say anything here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/31/2013 8:46 am : link
Honestly, this guy has annoyed me ever since last season's DWI.
This  
NJGiantFan84 : 10/31/2013 8:57 am : link
is a big nothing and if this was Diehl in 2010 nobody would care. People just pile on him because they think he sucks.
There's something poetic about this quote coming from Diehl  
JonC : 10/31/2013 9:06 am : link
when you consider his standing with fans, it's just another matchstrike ...

He shouldn't make these remarks to the media, certainly obvious and true enough. The sentiment is likely accurate, and this has been in the back channels for months, and posted on the forum as well. Nicks isn't getting $10M+ per from NYG ...
He's probably right. It seems unlikely that the Giants can dedicate  
BeerFridge : 10/31/2013 9:07 am : link
that much cap to WRs. They committed to Cruz. Prob can't afford two WRs that expensive, especially with Randle ready to go.
We kill  
lecky : 10/31/2013 9:08 am : link
these guys for giving boilerplate answers to questions and we kill them for telling the truth. It is obviously no team secret that Nicks does not want to be here anymore. Diehl told the truth
area junc  
Milton : 10/31/2013 9:11 am : link
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giants tried to extend him and he rejected it

Where did you hear this? My guess is that just the opposite is true. The Giants haven't tried to extend him and that's why he's been so non-committal about his loyalty to Big Blue.

Again, from the Giants perspective, Nicks's injury-history is such that it's just not prudent to do anything but let him play out his cost-friendly rookie contract and then re-evaluate from there.

While I agree with those that think Diehl should've kept his mouth shut, I believe he was speaking out as both a favor to his agent and Nicks, setting the stage for his anticipated foray into the free agency market by couching in terms of an understandable business decision by both the Giants (because they are already paying Cruz big bucks) and Nicks (because he can get #1 WR money from another team that he won't be able to get from the Giants). In other words, his exit won't be based on any acrimony or disappointment between the team and the player.

That will all change when the Giants slap Nicks with the franchise tag.
the beat has said  
JonC : 10/31/2013 9:14 am : link
NYG did try to extend Nicks last offseason.
lecky  
Milton : 10/31/2013 9:15 am : link
Quote:
It is obviously no team secret that Nicks does not want to be here anymore.
I don't think this is true. I think Nicks merely wants to go where the money is. If the Giants offer him a boatload of money, he will rave about the city, the organization, his teammates, the fans, the media, God and country.
They do share the same agent (Peter J. Schaffer)  
Optimus-NY : 10/31/2013 9:20 am : link
Message...
JonC  
Milton : 10/31/2013 9:20 am : link
What beat? I've read nothing of it. And after the injury-plagued season Nicks had in 2012, it would make no sense for the Giants to try to extend him (and by that, I mean extend him at a price that Nicks would seriously consider).
It is what I was told, it probably didn't get printed at the time  
JonC : 10/31/2013 9:25 am : link
They attempted to extend him for money in the same ballpark as Cruz, and it was declined. The talk was also that Nicks preferred to play elsewhere. This is likely not a secret in the lockerroom, which Diehl essentially confirmed.

Given all the needs this team will have, I doubt they'll spend to retain Nicks. I'd also go the Franchise Tag route, but only if they feel pretty strongly about the trade market for him.
If true  
JoefromPa : 10/31/2013 9:27 am : link
that would be a bad move

You don't get better by allowing play makers to leave. Nicks has been a great receiver, and will return to that form. If that occurs all the GM's on this site will then be railing Reese for letting him walk.
Joe  
JonC : 10/31/2013 9:28 am : link
Your sentiment is logical, but tough decisions must be made in a salary cap league.
diehl  
Les in TO : 10/31/2013 9:32 am : link
should only be on the team next year if he is physically able to and only as a utility backup on the bench.

If Nicks is gone, he should do everything in his power in the next eight games to increase his market value by playing at the highest level possible. hopefully he elects not to make business decisions that result in uneccesssary INTs/incomplete passes.
Joe, you don't win  
Randy in CT : 10/31/2013 9:33 am : link
Championships by locking up insane amounts of money at one position when that position isn't QB, and you have a guy in the wings you drafted as a possible replacement who's looking good.

You keep all your options open.
What would you guys rather have if you could save  
Optimus-NY : 10/31/2013 9:39 am : link
a significant amount of cap room next year?


Nicks, Cruz, & Randle as your top 3...

OR

Randle, Cruz, & Manningham as your top 3?
Super Mario is a FA after the year  
Optimus-NY : 10/31/2013 9:40 am : link
If he's amenable to returning, I'd make a serious play for him to return to the the Giants.
It's true that you can't lock up too much money in receivers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/31/2013 9:40 am : link
but the Giants have put themselves in a position where WR is an absolutely critical position, and they play in an offensive scheme where rookies don't very often get to make contributions without a lot of time on the bench.

So, fine, you want to let Nicks walk, go ahead, but recognize that you'll need to spend a draft pick to replace him, and we haven't had much luck finding those under round 2.

And know that receiver may not make an impact till his second year, which affects your position depth.
Cap room can always be created...  
Milton : 10/31/2013 9:56 am : link
...for players who are worth the money, regardless of how many dollars are already devoted to the position. That's how you win. But you don't win if you tie up cap money on players who spend more time in the tub than they do on the field. And there-in lies the dilemma with Nicks. If healthy, he is worth the money. If not, he ain't.

Which is why I believe the Giants will roll the dice and franchise him. It kicks the can down the road, so to speak, but I think it's the right way to play it. He's too valuable an asset to let go for nothing and too risky of an investment to give him the long-term $10+M/year contract with $20+M guaranteed that he is likely seeking.
RE: diehl  
Jimmy Googs : 10/31/2013 9:56 am : link
In comment 11312257 Les in TO said:
[quote] should only be on the team next year if he is physically able to and only as a utility backup on the bench.

Absolutely not. This crap has got stop where we want to keep underperformers and guys in decline for the sake of being a backup or marginal starter because FO doesn't want to make the tough choice. All it does it weaken the roster from top to bottom.

Giants need a healthy housecleaning and bring in youth and guys with go-forward value and start letting go players that just can't/don't bring it anymore as a starter or back-up. I realize you will need some vets but we have plenty that we will be keeping.

Nicks will be cream of the 2014 WR crop.  
Klaatu : 10/31/2013 10:12 am : link
If the Giants don't franchise him, they'll lose him.
Diehl is likely just being honest  
GiantTuff1 : 10/31/2013 10:17 am : link
so let's crucify him? Some of you need to get happy with yourselves, haha.

I do not think it is the best situation that this is out publicly, but perhaps there's a measure to what was said here. Diehl is no dummy, and I don't think there is any question who bleeds blue more Diehl or Hakeem, considering Hakeem looks disinterested/disconnected this year and has eyes on FA. Perhaps Diehl is looking to expose that Hakeem's heart is not in NY, or his mind is elsewhere ($), to help motivate him to play better.

Or he is the Giants go-to PR mouthpiece to start warming the public up to the fact Nicks might realistically be elsewhere, and ready the fan base for seeing Randle replace Nicks in the lineup as the season moves along.
btw,  
Randy in CT : 10/31/2013 10:41 am : link
Diehl THINKS that Nicks WON'T return next year.

Proceed?
The Diehl bashers on here make me sick  
NYGmen58 : 10/31/2013 10:44 am : link
Go back to playing Madden. You know NOTHING about football!
Nicks doesn't deserve to be a lock to sign  
WideRight : 10/31/2013 10:52 am : link
Diehl did the right thing. Nicks has to up his game to the point where the Giants can't afford to lose him. Right now he's nowhere near that.

Obviously Nick's market value is very high. Diehl was acknowledging that while providing some motivation to step it up for the rest of the year.
Diehl never should have commented on this  
montanagiant : 10/31/2013 11:11 am : link
Very inappropriate on his part
He also said he "would love to see it happen"  
Peter in Atlanta : 10/31/2013 11:12 am : link
Why isn't that included?
RE: The Diehl bashers on here make me sick  
dep026 : 10/31/2013 11:14 am : link
In comment 11312460 NYGmen58 said:
Quote:
Go back to playing Madden. You know NOTHING about football!


Diehl blows. This isnt opinion anymore.
Nicks is one of my favorite Giants  
beatrixkiddo : 10/31/2013 11:30 am : link
and always will be, but I get the sense that he absolutely want's to test FA and get paid which he will. The Giants unfortunately have far to many holes and $ to allocate elsewhere for this team to be viable. It's looking like their going to have to let him go at the end, not sure how much franchise tagging him may do. But I'm for it, hey maybe someone else bites and takes him and we get the 1st rd pick, or at least you get A true #1 WR for another year and draft another WR high to develop in another year.

I'm also all for bringing back Manningham or going high draft pick if we can score extra pcks via trade down. Give me a Watkins or Lee and I'd feel pretty good with that. This Offense may go through some serious changes in the off season anyway, a new OC might be detrimental in what wepons we decide to keep or go after. Randle and Cruz are both good insurance right now though, and I think if you add a TE threat and keep the short passing game to Wilson and other RB's then you have a dangerous enough Offense.
I'm not sure I agree  
RB^2 : 10/31/2013 12:08 pm : link
that the Giants can't devote too many cap dollars to the WR position. Because of the complex offense they run, I think they're almost forced to. Starting over with a new WR is a bigger step back for the Giants than for other teams.
its  
area junc : 10/31/2013 12:15 pm : link
not just he wants the most $. he doesn't want to be here. its personal, and he is not a city guy
David Diehl sucks  
SanFranGiantsFan : 10/31/2013 12:19 pm : link
& God willing, this is his final season here. He's a complete liablity out there.

Now torch me.
What needs to be determined  
Brandon Walsh : 10/31/2013 12:29 pm : link
with Nicks is whether the lack of explosion he currently has is if he is truly shaking the rust off from his surgeries or if he has lost a step or two. Granted, he never created a ton of separation, he has clearly does not have the same explosion from 2011.

If he starts to show some of that explosion is re-gained, even with putting up mediocre stats the remainder of the year, I can't see the Giants letting him walk for nothing when they clearly value Nicks with all the quotes thrown around about him being the lynch pin to our offense (Eli, Reese, Gilbride all have said this), a trusted WR in Eli's eyes and a former first round pick we have a lot of time ivnested in.

They will franchise him with the hopes of either:

A. working out a reasonable long term deal at their price since they will hold all the cards or

B. Try to trade work out a trade for whoever is desperate enough (2nd rounder with our old friend Gettelman?)

If he continues to muddle along at this current pace (not stats) but the way he looks, then I could see them offering a reasonable deal, him declining, and the market will dictate his value which will probably be over our price.

Consider this:  
PeterS : 10/31/2013 12:51 pm : link
Nicks is having a bad year because Eli is having a bad year. Eli is having a bad year because the o-line is having a bad year. You can't catch a pass when your QB is running for his life accumulating intentional ground penalties and throwing INT's like confetti.
Forgot to add that the Manning-to-Cruz or Nicks  
PeterS : 10/31/2013 12:53 pm : link
combination has been the most effective in team history. As fans, we're too quick to praise and to condemn. Losing just sucks.
What's the big  
Bill in UT : 10/31/2013 1:09 pm : link
Diehl?
David Diehl  
JoefromPa : 10/31/2013 1:41 pm : link
2 time starting "Left" Tackle on Championship Teams. Also has helped stabilized the current line into something better than it was.

Guy has been a great Giants and those who belittle him again and again on this site only show their lack of understanding of the game.
I think most who "belittle" him are simply commenting on his current  
Mad Mike : 10/31/2013 1:59 pm : link
level of performance. And I don't think anyone who thinks that he is a currently sub-par nfl lineman is demonstrating a lack of understanding of the game. Thinking his past performance is relevant to an evaluation of his current play however...
JoefromPA  
BigBluePrestige : 10/31/2013 2:01 pm : link
Diehl has been putrid at guard this season. Gets beat constantly and is one of the BIGGEST reasons why we have no run game.
RE: Diehl is likely just being honest  
Bleedin Blue : 10/31/2013 2:02 pm : link
In comment 11312402 GiantTuff1 said:
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so let's crucify him? Some of you need to get happy with yourselves, haha.

I do not think it is the best situation that this is out publicly, but perhaps there's a measure to what was said here. Diehl is no dummy, and I don't think there is any question who bleeds blue more Diehl or Hakeem, considering Hakeem looks disinterested/disconnected this year and has eyes on FA. Perhaps Diehl is looking to expose that Hakeem's heart is not in NY, or his mind is elsewhere ($), to help motivate him to play better.

Or he is the Giants go-to PR mouthpiece to start warming the public up to the fact Nicks might realistically be elsewhere, and ready the fan base for seeing Randle replace Nicks in the lineup as the season moves along.


If Diehl wants to deal in honesty, he's playing like a broken swinging door! He's the worst player of the O-Line right now, I hate to say it but, Cordle has turned a better performance to date than Diehl. I say he is likely gone also! Maybe he can follow Nicks to the Panthers next year!
I'm confused  
GMANinDC : 10/31/2013 2:07 pm : link
Diehl was asked a question and he responded. So know he's getting killed about HIS play because he answered a question that been a running thread on BBI for about 3 weeks???..
Diehl Defense Force has checked in.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/31/2013 2:07 pm : link
Now apparently he's the guy who's "stabilized" the line this year.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL  
GiantsFan84 : 10/31/2013 2:09 pm : link
that was good. David Diehl stabilized the line this year. hahahaha. OK.
Some posters are conflating  
JonC : 10/31/2013 2:10 pm : link
their anger over his performance and his speaking out to the media on something that would be best not spoken of.
Diehl was moved to the inside  
BigBluePrestige : 10/31/2013 2:16 pm : link
He's getting help from Cordle and Pugh now. Teams are only rushing 4 (and still getting pressure). Did anyone watch the Philly game last weekend. Guy was a fkin shit-show and the reason why he was less noticeabley bad was because we actually game planed for his shitty-ness with a short passing gameplan.
RE: I'm confused  
Bleedin Blue : 10/31/2013 5:47 pm : link
In comment 11312933 GMANinDC said:
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Diehl was asked a question and he responded. So know he's getting killed about HIS play because he answered a question that been a running thread on BBI for about 3 weeks???..

NOPE, I take every chance I get to kill Diehl's PISS POOR performance, I saw a a Diehl topic and took the opportunity to speak out on his play and where I hope he winds up next year!
RE: David Diehl  
shabu : 10/31/2013 6:00 pm : link
In comment 11312873 JoefromPa said:
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2 time starting "Left" Tackle on Championship Teams. Also has helped stabilized the current line into something better than it was.

Guy has been a great Giants and those who belittle him again and again on this site only show their lack of understanding of the game.


DD has been horrible on this line this year, if anything PUGH is helping him ...

DD is also a spell from dungeons and dragons called "Dimension door" ... which is what I shall call DD now.
Diehl WAS at one time  
giantranger : 10/31/2013 6:09 pm : link
a good offensive lineman and was a huge asset on the Giants roster. Now he is below average and pretty expensive to boot. He is continuously losing his assignment and can no longer effectively perform the tasks required to be a full time starter. As he fails, the teams fails. We have seen enough of that already this season.
It is nothing personal  
giantranger : 10/31/2013 6:15 pm : link
if he was doing his job effectively we'd step off. Focus on the offensive line and notice how often his assignment gets by
I think what he should have said is ....  
Manny in CA : 11/1/2013 12:18 am : link
"Go ask Nicks, it's not appropriate for me to comment about another person's job"

Put yourself in that position in a job which is so closely integrated (and competitive), in terms of performance. Wouldn't that royally piss you off, somebody running his mouth about something that's solely between you and your employer ?

I know, the guy is on-edge ( he just took a huge pay-cut and his grades have to show how bad he's stinking the place up). So he flaps his big mouth and poisons the locker-room. I bet he doesn't have one single friend left in there. I wouldn't trust him with the "honey" (latrine) bucket.

It's a "f'ed-up" situation, just when the team's going into the bye week. trying to get rejuvenated for the stretch run. There's in enough bad that's happened to this team, this year. Jerry must be tempted to unplug the lamp off the wall and strangle Diehl with the cord !
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