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Shaun Rogers not at practice...Kuhn on the way?

Defenderdawg : 11/7/2013 12:34 pm
@Patricia_Traina: No sign of Shaun Rogers or David Wilson -- both could be headed to IR today to make room for brown and Kuhn.

@TomRock_Newsday: Rogers not on the field in practice field today. Kuhn was. Infer!
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I think we have to consider the possibility that GWG IS Markus Kuhn  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2013 2:38 pm : link
Or at least someone related to him. Holy shit, you'd think he was Jerome Brown in his prime from that description.
If GWG is Kuhn, that's even more reason not to sell the bike shop  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/7/2013 2:42 pm : link
just to get him in games. He may be too insane to understand plays.
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2013 2:45 pm : link
Again.. when you look to stat sheets to analyze a lot of DT's, you're just looking in the wrong place. There's no other way to say it.

Shaun Rogers is not a stats player. He's a lane clogging DT who has been largely responsible for the major turnaround in the Giants' run defense.

How Markus Kuhn got the reputation of a player you "cannot keep off the field when healthy" is beyond me. It's almost like the legend of Jonas Seawright except this time, people are serious. (And yes, I realize the difference between the players.)
I also gotta chuckle at the idea that Rogers doesn't collapse pockets  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2013 2:46 pm : link
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RE: I also gotta chuckle at the idea that Rogers doesn't collapse pockets  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 2:47 pm : link
In comment 11324601 Greg from LI said:
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So did I.
what has Joey said in his reviews?  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2013 2:53 pm : link
Minnesota game:
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Again, credit the DT group of Cullen Jenkins, Mike Patterson, Linval Joseph and Shaun Rogers, they simply collapsed the middle and didnít allow Peterson even a glimpse of an opening all evening. With little threat from the passing game, the job was no doubt easier, but stifling Peterson to that extent is impressive no matter how you slice it. It was pressure by Shaun Rogers that forced Freeman into his lone interception...


Bears game:
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Credit the bulk up the gut though for limiting Matt Forte to 67 yards on 19 carries, 13 of which came on one run in which DT Cullen Jenkins was clearly held. Ah but this is the newer gentler NFL where we you canít be mean to offensive players. Shaun Rogers, Jenkins, Linval Joseph and Mike Patterson accounted for only four stops, but kept new MLB Jon Beason clean enough to chase plays form sideline to sideline.


First Eagles game:
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Giant DTs may be the only group playing good football this year. Without reliable run-stopper Linval Joseph, rookie DT Johnathan Hankins made an impact with five stops and was generally pretty stout play against the run. Along with Shaun Rogers, Cullen Jenkins and Mike Patterson, Hankins was part of the Giants best performing group of the game yet again.


Chiefs game:
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RB Jamaal Charles was held to 14 yards rushing on seven carries in the first half. The only other rusher was QB Alex Smith. In the third quarter, the Chiefs only gained three first downs total on four possessions and Charles was held to seven yards on four carries. That means 44 of his 65 rushing yards came in the fourth quarter when the defense began to wear down. The Giantsí defensive tackles were very good against the run.

The problem up front was the pass rush. No sacks and only two official quarterback hits (one by Cullen Jenkins and one by Shaun Rogers).


Broncos game:
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Give credit again to Giant big men, DT Shaun Rogers, Linval Joseph and Mike Patterson. The big three made it tough sledding inside for the Broncos, forcing the Broncos to go wide if they had any designs on ground yardage. Rogers had a 3 play stint in the 3rd quarter with two QB hurries, two hits and one bear paw swatting of Moreno who fell forward after being pawed by the Sumo sized Rogers.

Shaun Rogers  
DG : 11/7/2013 3:05 pm : link
is a better DT than Markus Kuhn will ever be. I'll be very disappointed if the Giants do this. I understand the youth argument but Kuhn looks like a JAG.
we'll see  
Great White Ghost : 11/7/2013 3:14 pm : link
Generic Mentions of rodgeras along with all the other DTs is no endorsement at all to me. This is a 2-6 D line that was 0-6 when rodgers was playing. you guys are smoking crack if you think the dline is some sort of successful unit that shouldn't be tampered with.They threw all sorts of money , picks and FAs at it in the offseason anmd came up with a unit that is almost dead last against the pass and mediocre against the run ay best.

More of the same isn't doing anyone any good.

Arc, Rodgers has less snaps than any other DT except Hankins so it's complete and total BS to say it is HE "who has been largely responsible for the major turnaround in the Giants' run defense".You and greg like to just fictate and when you get called on it it's played off as sarcasm. OK, whatever.

Maybe you'll get your wish and a guy they had playing until he was injured gets cut even though he is healthy and his replacement although he can't finish a practice and has ONE FUCKING TACKLE, an assist, IN THE LAST MONTH sticks around. So he can Be IR'd in a couple of weeks anyway.Good call, yeah, OK, cut the healthy younger guy under contract for peanuts for the old broke down dude who makes more money and is on a 1 year contract.

You the same guys saying the Giants were gonna cut Jacobs so Wilson could come back? I think so....
found this  
Great White Ghost : 11/7/2013 3:20 pm : link
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/rs/video/1861431/#/vid1861431

at least he got a haircut.
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2013 3:22 pm : link
First of all.. I can only speak for myself but I said nothing about cutting Jacobs for Wilson and I'm fairly certain that Greg didn't either. So if you want to bring up something completely irrelevant, at least don't pull it out of your ass and straight up make things up.

Secondly.. assigning the TEAMS record to the defensive line is absolutely fucking stupid. The defensive line isn't 2-6. The New York Giants are. And they are largely 2-6 because of problems on the offensive side of the ball, not the defense.

This is the best we've played the run in years and yes, whether you want to admit it or not, Shaun Rogers has absolutely played a big role in that.

For you to act like Markus Kuhn is the DT version of JPP and say that he "has to be on the field if he's healthy" is asinine. He was average at best last year and only played out of necessity.

Shaun Rogers is a better football player than Markus Kuhn right now. It's really not debatable.
since you are intent on pursuing this silly argument about records  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2013 3:24 pm : link
2012 Giants run defense: 25th in total yards allowed, 28th in YPC

2013 Giants run defense: 9th in total yards, 5th in YPC

Brandish the W-L all you want - the DTs are NOT the reason why this team is 2-6. Not even close to it.
Greg  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 3:32 pm : link
You forgot to add...

2012 - with Kuhn playing but Rogers not

2013 - without Kuhn playing but Rogers playing
Generally agree with Arc  
pjcas18 : 11/7/2013 3:34 pm : link
here, the only case to be made otherwise would be this.

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Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 3m

If DT Shaun Rogers is IR'd later, which I hear is a possibility, it would likely end his 13-year NFL career. He'll be 35 next season. #NYG


if Rogers is injured and it may linger might, and the Giants odds of playing meaningful football past the next couple weeks, it might be a good chance to see guys like Kuhn, get them some snaps
Yep  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2013 3:35 pm : link
It's almost surreal how vehement some people are in promoting Kuhn. It's based on almost nothing. He didn't even play all that much, and it's not like he was some phenom at NC State either. He was a 7th round gamble because, despite his age and lack of experience, he's a big guy who's a good athlete. That's it.
pj  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 3:37 pm : link
I agree. If it looks like Rogers is going to miss multiple weeks because of an injury (the knee for instance), then it makes perfect sense to IR him and activate Kuhn.
I'm Baffled at the deep emotional attachment to a guy  
Great White Ghost : 11/7/2013 3:40 pm : link
who has 9 total tackles as a Giant and 1 assist in the last month.He isn't gonna be here next year.He couldn't practice today. Kuhn did. What don't you get about that.

Giants run defense was fine when Kuhn was playing. after he went out for the year is when it went in the shitter. Blather all you want but that is a fact.You can say he had nothing to do with it as easily as I caN SAY it did.

9 tackles.1 in the last month. Rodgers is not some Irreplaceable piece.

Anyway I guess you guys are right, it's almost 4 and he aint active, so I guess He's gone. Shame, really.
For some reason this kinda sounds crazy  
BBurns : 11/7/2013 3:48 pm : link
it has a certain feel for it and I don't think we are out of this thing quite yet . With that said I think Rogers
is a much better player than Kuehn ever thought of being
even now .Marcus is a tough guy and I think is decent Vs. the run . No way can he hold the point the Shawn does or even push the pocket .
If its just a numbers game who cares at this point when you
blow a 2nd rd pick on a DT that was considered by some to be a 1st round pick for a 27 guy with limited football years and
that relies on strength and hustle that just blew his knee out hardly a world beater .
Joeseph and Hankins are the future with Moore and JPP
I would rather go with another FA DT next year for the rotation than to lose Big Shawn right now .
You're baffled because  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 3:50 pm : link
you refuse to acknowledge that Rogers has played well this season.
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2013 3:51 pm : link
You keep citing Rogers' numbers while defending a guy who had 4 tackles in 10 games last year and saying he has to be on the field if he's healthy as if he's some outstanding player.

Doesn't make much sense.

Kuhn probably never would have seen the field last year if not for injuries to guys like Canty and Bernard.
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2013 3:53 pm : link
Kuhn was also active for games where Dallas rushed for over 125 on us in Week 1 last year, when the Eagles rushed for close to 200 in Week 4, when Washington rushed for OVER 200 a few weeks later, when PIT ran for well over 100.. so the idea that the run D was so awesome when Kuhn was active last year is.. not so true.
Tackle Stats .....  
BBurns : 11/7/2013 3:55 pm : link
Are so Misleading Shawn has kept two guys busy most
every game allowing New comer Beason to stay clean
and lead the team in tackles . It also frees up Linvil
as well . I got nothing against Marcus if you could just tell
me or show me what ever impact plays you can find that
he has made . Because I just can't think of one right now .
Well, Kuhn is big step-down  
Some Fan : 11/7/2013 3:58 pm : link
Bown is a positive
he had 8 tackles,double what your saying  
Great White Ghost : 11/7/2013 4:01 pm : link
you lie. You leave out assists, as if that doesnt change rodgers miserable 9 tackles to even less. At least kuhn had 4 passes defense, rodgers has none.statistically it's idiotic to argue that thewre is much of a difference between the 2 as far as their record with the team. the fact is Rodgers is 7 years older and a FA next year, and Kuhn is under contract for another 2 years for peanuts.
Rogers has done very well this year  
Some Fan : 11/7/2013 4:01 pm : link
The best I can say about Kuhn is that he is mediocre or just below mediocre
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2013 4:05 pm : link
My point is that the freakin' individual stats don't matter much at all when it comes to these guys. Sorry, I left out Kuhn's whopping 4 assists.. game changer.

You're one of the only people here failing to notice that Rogers has done a really good job this year. You can either take a step back and figure that out or you can keep failing around looking for ways to discredit the guy. Your call.
Wait...  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 4:17 pm : link
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statistically it's idiotic to argue that thewre is much of a difference between the 2 as far as their record with the team.


Isn't it YOU who's doing exactly what you just said is 'idiotic'?
Ill say it agian  
spike : 11/7/2013 4:18 pm : link
Keep Rogers, who is a legit NFL DT. and CUT Pascoe or Painter, who have no roles on this team, especially with Robinson "healthy" again.

I hope you guys are right and Kuhn has really  
Grandpa : 11/7/2013 5:09 pm : link
Come on in practice. I don't have stats but what I saw last season was a player still learning the game and unable to beat his man at the line. I hope he has figured things out and will wait and give him a chance. Having said that, This coaching staff has lost my confidence. They still think Rivers, Paysinger, Herzlich and Cordle can be NFL starters. Based on their repeated on field performance I just disagree. There is no doubt the players will miss Rogers. The rushing stats for the D for the remainder of the season will tell us whether the defense does.
arc, is you and greg looking to discredit Kuhn.  
Great White Ghost : 11/7/2013 5:27 pm : link
Not me looking to dump on radgers. was you who said Kuhn sucked and the sun riseth and setteth out Rodgers arse, not I.I just played the game.I didn't start shitting on rodgers till you shat on Kuhn.

Either way, I watched every down the guy played and the stuff I read on here about kuhn is just made up bullshit. The guy will have his chance now, I hope and that will be that. But you were wrong, they did activate Kuhn, I have been saying it all year and You momos have been insisting he was gonna be IRd or released, so who looks like the schmuck? You ain't as smart as you think you are.
And there he goes again  
Mad Mike : 11/7/2013 5:30 pm : link
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Let he who casts the first gay slur be the schmuck  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/7/2013 5:30 pm : link
BBI 3:16
Un  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 5:31 pm : link
believable.
RE: arc, is you and greg looking to discredit Kuhn.  
arcarsenal : 11/7/2013 6:04 pm : link
In comment 11324979 Great White Ghost said:
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Not me looking to dump on radgers. was you who said Kuhn sucked and the sun riseth and setteth out Rodgers arse, not I.I just played the game.I didn't start shitting on rodgers till you shat on Kuhn.

Either way, I watched every down the guy played and the stuff I read on here about kuhn is just made up bullshit. The guy will have his chance now, I hope and that will be that. But you were wrong, they did activate Kuhn, I have been saying it all year and You momos have been insisting he was gonna be IRd or released, so who looks like the schmuck? You ain't as smart as you think you are.


Well, I'm certainly much more intelligent than you are. That much I can say with certainty.

What a trainwreck of a post.
Keep this in mind T-Bone: when the Giants invested in Rogers, they  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 6:10 pm : link
wanted him around for his impact on and off the field. He was a VERY positive guy to have around for what he could provide the team (stoutness against the run and a good role model for the other players on the team). the Giants stuck with him to help them against the run, and also because they thought of themselves as a Super Bowl team. I hate to disappoint anyone, but this IS NOT a Super Bowl team. I don't care if the Giants win the division at 8-8. This is a flawed team in need of some major retooling. I would hope we all realize that; I'm pretty sure that the Giants do.

Rogers's worth to the team changed as the season progressed to where we are now. If the Giants were 6-2, and still in "win now" mode then I'd make more of an effort to keep him on the roster, but they're not. They're 2 and friggin' 6. Suffice it to say, that's not a good. Rogers is the just the start of a blood letting that has to be done in order to purge the team of the older players that are either taking up roster space/playing time of younger players, and who are taking up large amounts of cap space while clearly declining (Tuck and Snee come to mind).

This is an intersection of the business of football, and doing what's best for your team now. If Kuhn didn't show any promise, then they wouldn't put much effort into finding a way to keep him ion the roster. Rogers served his purpose here. It's over for him, particularly in light of the circumstances that he finds himself in. He'll get paid his complete full year's salary, and will probably seriously contemplate retirement. Kuhn will contemplate playing in the DT rotation and playing Special Teams. He's a young player with roster flexibility who always wins against an older player when roster decisions have to be made. This isn't Shaun Rogers circa 2008. This is Shaun Rogers circa 2013, old and beat up.

Teams tend to play it smart when it comes to managing situations like this with an older player vs. a younger player for a roster spot because they look at what the long-term impact of one player vs. that of an older player. Rogers has no future here. That much is obvious. Kuhn is an investment who the Giants want to continue to work with. Kuhn is a cost controlled commodity who is cheap against the cap, and under the Giants' control through the end of the 2015 season. He took meaningful snaps last year as a rookie 7th round pick. They saw something in Kuhn.

Business-wise, it's smart to continue to find out what you have. For God's sake, they gave that turd Austin 2 years and change here. They did the same for Clint Stinkum for 3 years, and Travis Beckum for 4. Their draft rounds all reflect the amount of time the Giants gave them to show something of course. Kuhn being a 7th rounder means that he's eminently cuttable. The Giants cut their 6th rounder Eric Herman this year and signed him to their Practice Squad. They would have done the same with Kuhn last year if they viewed him as not being worthy of a roster spot. You have to see what Kuhn can continue to give you, especially if you like what you've seen so far.

Also remember that as the season goes on, teams will always look to the long-term when it comes to the cap. When I say this, I mean LTBE (likely to be earned) bonuses. They try to prevent players from earning bonuses who they don't see a future with. The Redskins are doing that right now with their TE Fred Davis. The emergence of Jordan Reed has marginalized Davis. The Skins are trying to prevent a bonus from kicking in that would count another half a million in cap dollars against their cap next year. They are avoiding that by keeping him inactive. Joel Corry wrote about that recently:




The points is that teams make business decisions when it' favorable for them to do so when a young player who they see potential in is pitted against an older player who they're ready to cut the cord in if need be for whatever reason. In the case of Davis vs. Reed, it was about playing time and the cap. Here, it's Rogers vs. Kuhn for a roster spot. The Giants wouldn't have done what they did with Kuhn today if they didn't feel Kuhn had some potential to mine. He doesn't have to be superstar. If Kuhn winds up being a 3rd or 4th tackle in a rotation who plays Special Teams, then that would be great. That's more than a beat up and old Rogers has to offer going forward.
Correction about one thing regarding Rogers's contract:  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 6:14 pm : link
He may have a split in there based on his injury history. Not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised (this means a little more cap space for the Giants).
This bothers me  
Geeman : 11/7/2013 6:17 pm : link
I feel like he was playing well and a lot of players looked up to the vet. This was also a great opportunity for Rogers to maybe make one more shop at playing in the SB. I'm sure that was a big motivator for him. Just as things have gotten turned around especially defensively, they pull the plug on him. I understand why, it's a tough decision with a healthy and younger Kuhn ready to go and him ailing, but it's still tough and I wish there was a way he could have been kept on.
FYI...his impact really will not be found in the stat columns for those who argued otherwise.
Super Bowl....lol  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 6:21 pm : link
The only Bowl that the Giants are going to is the one that I just got off of.
Listen, Rodgers is a good player, good leader,  
Great White Ghost : 11/7/2013 6:29 pm : link
Helped turn the run defense around, is a good player coach, and no, Kuhn will probably never be as good as Rodgers was.

I admit that.I just didn't see him offering anything going forward that Kuhn didn't.Some see it as running up the white flag that we IRd Rodgers. I apologize for having a little faith in Kuhn and expecting good things from him.

I shouldn't have made Rodgers a point of emphasis at all, frankly, My argument really didn't lie there, I got suckered into it by going after comments slaggin Kuhn, like, he's a stiff, a waste, he plays on rollerskates, gets pushed back, etc etc.I didnt see much difference between him and Kuhn, TBH and think Kuhn offers more going forward.

Apparently the coaches felt the same.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers played his last snape in the NFL  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 6:35 pm : link
He's a MSB (Minimum Salary Benefit) player. He's a year to year veteran minimum player with an injury history who doesn't play Special Teams. Odds are that this is it for him. If he gets one more year, then that would be great for him. It's a young man's sport.
Optimus  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 6:43 pm : link
I hear and respect everything you're saying but were you thinking the Giants were a Super Bowl team in '07 when the team was getting beat in the snow? Or when the offense was deep I their own territory before the pass to Cruz that broke the game open against the Jets? I very much doubt their was one person who was thinking Super Bowl at that point in time. I know I wasn't and I doubt you were either...just like we are now. But if there's one thing this team, not to mention every Super Bowl champ over the past several year, has shown over the is that a team can get on a run at any time and ride that streak to a championship. Do I think this team has a championship in them right now? No, I don't. But I didn't think so two other times in the past and have been proven wrong.

This team has said they still considered themselves in the race to win the division and once there anything can happen. Is it likely? Probably not. But if the Giants execs and coaching staff are ready to turn the page on this season as you seem to be, then I'd rather they make the moves in order to do so (for instance possibly trading Nicks...who I'm glad is still here by the way) and stop trying to convince the fans (and possibly the players) that they're still trying to win a championship this year.

The move has been made so I really don't see the point in continuing to go back and forth about this. I just hope the D-lineman that are still active can continue to stop the run as well, if not better, then they have been. I'm not going to say I'm skeptical they can because I have a great deal of faith in this coaching staff and will continue to exhibit that trust even when they make a move I don't agree with. But the ONLY reason why it think this move was the right move to make is if Rodger's knee issue was going to keep him out for a few weeks. Otherwise, I personally would've preferred they didn't try to fix something that wasn't broke. If Rodgers' play was declining and he was playing like JAG then I'd understand the move more. But I have a hard time thinking that if the team still thinks they can make a run for a championship that putting Rodgers on IR, when he was playing well, will help them accomplish that task. You're already looking past this season to 2014 and beyond and that's cool. I just personally am not ready to do so just yet.
I hear you T-Bone, believe me, I do.  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 7:06 pm : link
I respect it too. My dad is a coach (different sport, soccer), and we'd always have philosophical discussions about managing a team, and dealing with people above the coach who pull strings behind the scenes. my dad dealt with this stuff when he was told how to manage our team when the people who ran the league and those who ran the club had problems with us. Me, my brother, and my dad would talk talk about shit like this. The organization has to do what's in it's best interest without giving out signals that they're giving up on the season.

Taking a long-term approach is usually the best way to approach things, unless you're in a situation like the 2009 Vikings were in---who should have gone to the Super Bowl that year, but that's another story (dumbass Favre and his penchant for interceptions at the end of the game).

I don't think it's a give up on the season scenario. If you've got kids who show you potential, you ow it to yourself to find out about them. Do you have to be careful about giving out signals that the organization is quitting on the season in early November? Yes. No argument there.

I hear about 2007 too. I wasn't expecting diddly that year to be honest. I was too busy making J-Load jokes while at the copy machine with the other teachers I worked with at the time (God I miss that guy, and the jokes we had about him, lol). I watched the games against the Jests not expecting anything. Hell, I was resigned to them losing. I completely admit it, but then they got on a roll, and took off. I'm not saying that that's gonna happen again this year, and I know you're not either. My only point is that no matter what happens this year, decisions have to be made about this team going forward: who stays vs. who goes, yada, yada, yada. Older players like Rogers are just the most likely to go in these scenarios. I admit it's not necessarily fair.

I admit this too: it's not a meritocracy. Players get the benefit of the doubt who shouldn't all the time. Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf are examples. What a team invests in a player, combines with that player's contract, his injury history, competition on the roster, special teams ability, roster flexibility regarding a player's contract and accrued seasons, are all factors that teams take into consideration when deciding what to do in situation like the Kuhn one today.

I didn't want to lose Rogers but the business side of things almost forces you to do things like this. On the flip side, it makes you hold on to cancers too when you don't want to in certain situations. It's too bad. Rogers was a guy who was a nice guy to have here. We gotta find out about the kids now in the context of this season and the ones after. Besides Kuhn, guys like Hankins, Patterson, and even Jenkins need to show the team what they can do this year too. They'll use that to decide what to do with them going forward too. It's an interesting topic to discuss, it really is.
I hear ya sir and understand where you're coming from.  
T-Bone : 11/7/2013 7:30 pm : link
And like I said, the decision's been made now so no sense really arguing about it. At this point I just hope the run D doesn't take a hit because that's been one of the few areas of strength the team had for most of this season. But I have faith in the coaches (more specifically Coughlin) and so will just sit back and enjoy the rest of the season. I'm a Kuhn-backer now!
Rogers  
Dylan fan : 11/7/2013 8:01 pm : link
All I want to know is why Great White Ghost still can't figure out that "Shaun Rogers" does not have a "D" in his name even though every other poster spelled it correctly & he's been on the team all year & in the NFL for 12 or so. He's definitely not related to Aaron Rodgers, whose name does have a "D" in it.
Kuhn  
stretch234 : 11/7/2013 8:05 pm : link
Thus far the only thing he has shown is his ability to be JAG playing DT. He was the 6th best DT on this team. Now he is the 5th best DT on the team.

Where is he getting snaps if the other 4 in front are healthy. He will be a scratch on game days.

There is a reason it has become difficult to run on the Giants - DT play. They have a rotation and have guys who are difficult to move. Rogers played a big role in that. Personal stats do not begin to tell the story of how well he was playing
The guy I wanna see is Hankins  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 8:14 pm : link
It's about time we see him get some snaps. Lots of folks had him going in the first round this past April. Let's see what we've got with him. He'll be starting next year if Linval ain't re-signed.
I think the staff has more faith now in the run game being stopped  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 8:16 pm : link
with Beason manning MLB now instead of Mr. Awful (Herzlich). that may have made it easier to let go of Rogers too.
Rogers  
Dylan fan : 11/7/2013 8:18 pm : link
If the Giants think Rogers' playing time will decrease substantially or altogether as the year goes on due to the knee injury (which is reasonable considering his age), & considering Rogers won't be around next year, it makes sense to give Hankins his playing time & allow Kuhn to practice while probably inactive to see if he fits in their future plans. It's absolutely irrelevant how well Rogers played if the Gants don't think he can play as well, as much or at all in the next 8 games. They obviously have confidence that Hankins, not Kuhn, will be able to fill Rogers' role.
I can't help it, I'm eager to see Kuhn get some burn.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/7/2013 8:57 pm : link
Big props to Rogers for his work this year, the DTs have been solid to date. Let the old man get some rest and still get paid.

Kuhn has seriously bulked up, if he can transition that onto the field, he might be more than JAG. I like Hankins and Kuhn getting valuable PT.
this read is hilarous!  
Neverend : 11/7/2013 10:25 pm : link
Greg saying that GWG might be Kuhn himself was golden. absolutely gold.

Some of the stuff GWG is saying in this thread has me rolling. This guy has to be trolling, and if he is, its fuckin' brilliant. he cant possibly be this naive, this ignorant. Some of the arguments he's trying to pull man. thanks for the laugh
TYPO - I gotta correct myself regarding Eric Herman:  
Optimus-NY : 11/7/2013 11:47 pm : link
He wasn't a 6th round pick. He was a 7th round pick (the first of two, w/Michael Cox being their second 7th rounder).
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