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Is it fair to legitimately worry about Eli at this point?

Ten Ton Hammer : 11/10/2013 4:08 pm
Either secretly hurt, shell-shocked from this horrid offensive line, or just having a terrible individual season, I'm finding it hard to watch.

And yes, they won, which they needed to, but the mistakes and poor throws are alarming.
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Put a half way decent line in front of him  
viggie : 11/10/2013 4:09 pm : link
And a no predictable play caller and I don't worry anymore
Skittish  
BlueHurricane : 11/10/2013 4:09 pm : link
The line is bad
BBI trophy jinx  
bxgiants4 : 11/10/2013 4:09 pm : link
.
No  
Giantology : 11/10/2013 4:10 pm : link
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the OL is getting to him  
spike : 11/10/2013 4:10 pm : link
Fire Gilbride.
Any QB with an Ol this bad  
Nick from Goa : 11/10/2013 4:10 pm : link
would act the same way. ANY QB
Good heavens!  
Big Blue '56 : 11/10/2013 4:11 pm : link
.
For the first time in a long time  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/10/2013 4:11 pm : link
Any time the ball is thrown, I'm expecting something bad to happen.

There's something wrong. But he's putting up a horrible season.

*Disclaimer, there will be a resistance on here claiming only 2 of Elis league leading 16 picks were his fault.
no  
lalalalala : 11/10/2013 4:11 pm : link

for the hundredth time they're trying to establish the run game against 7 man boxes, they are doing exactly what they have to do.

there was one really bad throw. that's it. but the BBI drama crew has to get going.

I give Gilbride credit for swallowing his pride and not playing like they were a 2-14 Lions team on offense. they need to get back into it and this is the most logical way to do it, since the D is playing well
Today's interception notwithstanding  
BlackLight : 11/10/2013 4:11 pm : link
it's usually impossible to know whether any given incompletion is about Eli missing his target, or the receiver running a bad route.

The pass to Cruz on the out route near the goal line looks like a terrible pass, but when they cut to Cruz on the sideline afterwards, he looked mad at himself. So who knows?

And it was very windy today.
lalala  
chris r : 11/10/2013 4:12 pm : link
you don't call the missed TD to Cruz a bad throw?
Shouldn't have said expecting..  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/10/2013 4:12 pm : link
worried something bad is gonna happen.
The  
AcidTest : 11/10/2013 4:13 pm : link
interior of the line is awful. Boothe, Cordle, Baas, and Diehl should all be gone. But that certainly doesn't excuse all of Eli's bad throws. Not even close. The simple truth is that he has played very badly this season. Only a rank apologist would say otherwise. You are what your statistics say you are, and his are very bad.
you're not talking about the deep ball  
lalalalala : 11/10/2013 4:14 pm : link

you're talking the one against the blitz on that stupid long-developing flat route? there's fucking 3 guys in his face when he throws it
He hasn't played up to the level that he should be.  
kickerpa16 : 11/10/2013 4:14 pm : link
Some terrible decisions this year.

That said, I'm not terribly worried about his long-term outcome. We're not going to have this many players that simply fall off of a cliff in the early 30's.
Cruz is wide open  
chris r : 11/10/2013 4:15 pm : link
and he basically just has to flip it out to him. It was a shitty throw.
Lets Go Saints!!!!!  
DaveFromNewMexico : 11/10/2013 4:15 pm : link
Nice to have something to root for tonight
Bad throw?  
Big Blue '56 : 11/10/2013 4:15 pm : link
So what? This is Eli fucking Manning we're talking about..You really think come crunch time down the stretch he's gonna fu*k things up?

He's slumping right now. Let the D carry us until he gets things staightened out with this O..

If you're worried, fine...Knock yourself out
kicker,  
Big Blue '56 : 11/10/2013 4:16 pm : link
some opined that it was truly possible and Nassib was insurance against that..;)
I fear for his life  
newmike2 : 11/10/2013 4:17 pm : link
The o-line might be playing better but Eli has been running for his life like no other time in his career.
This offense is very complex and if he has no faith in the guys in front of him, he can't really be expected to execute the plays. If he's off by a yard to the inside or the outside, there's a good chance he's getting picked.

I think it's natural to be concerned but in the end, he'll be okay.
The middle of our offensive line is horrible  
RoadWarriorz : 11/10/2013 4:18 pm : link
I'm more worried he's gonna get hurt.
I'm only worried about him for this season.  
Riggies : 11/10/2013 4:19 pm : link
Contrary to BBI's GT brain trust, he's not physically throwing the ball badly and he didn't even play that horribly today, outside of two throws. So long as he survives this season physically, he's absolutely fixable, long-term.

Whatever is wrong, however, isn't going to be fixed in-season, by this coaching staff. They had an offseason to get the wheels back on after last year's swoon, and the offense/passing game came back worse than ever.

If he's going to be the QB here going forward, the Giants need to give him a fresh start. If they're not willing to do that, it's time to thank him for his years here and move on, for both the team's and his own good.
yeah  
lalalalala : 11/10/2013 4:19 pm : link

"he has to flip it out to him" with d-lineman who are rushing him and/or have their arms up.

simple throw, right?

maybe if they just freaking rub-routed Cruz open like most normal teams would, it wouldn't have taken that long for that play to develop.

just a weird throw to pick on. IMO the bad throws were going back to the out after the pick. the 10 yard out was a disaster waiting to happen even if it was a good throw
How many more times  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/10/2013 4:21 pm : link
are we gonna have to hear the announcers talking about miscommunication on this offense? This isn't Elis first year in the league.

How many more pick 6s we gonna have to see? And the throw to Cruz who was wide open was a horrible throw.
Rigs, I hear ya,  
Big Blue '56 : 11/10/2013 4:22 pm : link
but let me ask you this. Eli carried the D in 2011 until the D got it together for our SB run..Why is it out of the realm of plausability that Eli and co., gets it in gear as the strwtch drive continues? Of course, we need to win the next two weeks for there to be a stretch drive..
Oops sorry  
DaveFromNewMexico : 11/10/2013 4:24 pm : link
Meant to post my last comment in the post game discussion thread
No need to ask when the HC talked about  
Mason : 11/10/2013 4:25 pm : link
Every other phase of the game except the passing game. And when he did he said the passing game was good pre-game.
lala...i'm the biggest Eli homer on this site  
SHO'NUFF : 11/10/2013 4:25 pm : link
but he played like David Carr today.
lalalala  
chris r : 11/10/2013 4:25 pm : link
you're defending Eli as though he's a 2nd year QB who can't be expected to make good plays.

He's a 10th year QB who is one of the highest paid players in the game. Up the bar a little bit maybe? Those two plays were an 11 point swing right there.
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Danny Kanell : 11/10/2013 4:27 pm : link
Eli Manning is fucking awesome and possibly the greatest winner this franchise has ever seen. He's having a down season but at no point for the remainder of the time he wears a Giant uniform will I EVER legitimately worry about him.

Again, Eli Manning is fucking awesome.
Is it me or  
MaineMike : 11/10/2013 4:27 pm : link
is he forcing it to Cruz too much????
First, that was an incredibly improbable turn around.  
Riggies : 11/10/2013 4:28 pm : link
Second, the passing game/offense is worse than the defense was that year. It's worse than it was when things turned around late in 2007, for that matter.

It's not like their issues just popped up and are contained to this season either. If they haven't made up any ground by now, after all this time, I'm just not buying a fix being anything but a pipe dream.
I dont love what I've seen from Eli  
Headhunter : 11/10/2013 4:29 pm : link
this season, but i have 0 concerns going forward. If Brown gives us a running threat, Eli's play fakes will hold the Dline's rush and he will be fine
He is inconsistent  
oldutican : 11/10/2013 4:29 pm : link
and always has been. Part of that is the offense and its hit or miss nature.
It remains a legit concern  
JonC : 11/10/2013 4:29 pm : link
Eli is absolutely pressing too hard and skittish behind a poor OL, but the repeated awful decisions and mechanical breakdowns aren't getting fixed.
Rewatch the Cruz pass  
glowrider : 11/10/2013 4:29 pm : link
It was a perfect throw if Cruz breaks to the outside, which is what eli expected, but Cruz planted left and cut back inside. He tricked his QB with his body language on the juke. Fairly confident that's why Cruz was upset with himself. Little things like turn td passes into ints
radar  
lalalalala : 11/10/2013 4:30 pm : link

no, you just don't know what you're talking about
it's not an easy throw  
lalalalala : 11/10/2013 4:32 pm : link
and the design is needlessly complicated, they should be able to rub Cruz open even if he doesn't move off the snap
Cruz  
AcidTest : 11/10/2013 4:34 pm : link
is the only WR who is healthy and runs correct routes.
I believe with age he has become even less mobile, if that's possible.  
RDJR : 11/10/2013 4:35 pm : link
When he fell on that sack today it was comical. The OL is bad and Eli's inability to escape has become glaring this season. He could create some plays in the past, not now.
RE: I believe with age he has become even less mobile, if that's possible.  
oldutican : 11/10/2013 4:43 pm : link
In comment 11329922 RDJR said:
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When he fell on that sack today it was comical. The OL is bad and Eli's inability to escape has become glaring this season. He could create some plays in the past, not now.


People, I think, really underestimate how much his being slow limits his game. It is rare he can continue a play moving out of the pocket (yeah, I know about the Tyree play) and is running for a first down is like a once a season event. Those are plays that keep drives going.
Eli is paid to score TD's  
deadkurtrulz : 11/10/2013 4:45 pm : link
Not to be a game manager. His play has been terrible. He shows no fire or emotion. He misses easy throws in crucial spots every damn game. Meyers wide open at the 10 yd line vs Bears...etc..etc

I think he has sped up his internal clock because the OL is horrible and the result is he rushes passes to open receivers and misses them or forces balls into coverage.

Not worried about him but until he has a break out game or our OL suddenly improves we will continue to see Aww Shucks Eli bouncing passes and throwing picks.
He shows no fire or emotion  
Headhunter : 11/10/2013 4:47 pm : link
Rehashing this crap from 8 years ago?
Starting to worry  
dpinzow : 11/10/2013 4:48 pm : link
He is getting happy feet because the protection isn't there
RE: RE: I believe with age he has become even less mobile, if that's possible.  
AcidTest : 11/10/2013 4:49 pm : link
In comment 11329952 oldutican said:
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In comment 11329922 RDJR said:


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When he fell on that sack today it was comical. The OL is bad and Eli's inability to escape has become glaring this season. He could create some plays in the past, not now.



People, I think, really underestimate how much his being slow limits his game. It is rare he can continue a play moving out of the pocket (yeah, I know about the Tyree play) and is running for a first down is like a once a season event. Those are plays that keep drives going.


Eli has never had any mobility in terms of forward speed. So if he's even slower now in that regard, it's a decline from a very poor starting position. He's always been very heavy footed. But he's always compensated with good pocket presence and awareness, which has helped minimize how bad the OL really has been the last few years. Now the OL is so bad, even his awareness isn't enough. And the sacks just bring frustration which causes him to force passes.

This is on Coughlin and Reese. Coughlin for convincing Reese to keep Diehl another year, and Reese for allowing it to happen. Reese's mid round OL picks have also produced nothing, so we have no replacements.

They know Eli has no mobility, and therefore how critical it is to give him at least a decent OL. But they didn't. They let it deteriorate to the level of a bad high school team.

That in no way excuses all of Eli's bad throws, but it is a factor, along with no running game.
Lalala  
chris r : 11/10/2013 4:50 pm : link
Way to back out of a debate.
The responses on this thread mostly range from comical homerism  
BlueLou : 11/10/2013 4:52 pm : link
to grand delusional thinking, based on the entire span and sum of Eli's career. His HOF career, as seen on BBI.

It absolutely is more than "fair" to worry about Eli "at this point".

If you can't admit that, you need spectacles.
radar  
lalalalala : 11/10/2013 4:52 pm : link

you're not bringing a debate, you're saying the same thing over and over again with no factual basis in anything
Eli looked like he  
Gmen703 : 11/10/2013 4:54 pm : link
Got his bell rung on that pick 6. His head hit the ground pretty hard.
Elis is demonstrating that as with all  
JoefromPa : 11/10/2013 4:55 pm : link
elite pocket passers, Brees, Brady, his brother included, without a clean pocket they struggle.

Eli is not the problem with this team, the problem is a front office that is squandering some of his prime years.

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