Home games in Green. Road games in Red.
Quick Summary
- The Giants are now 1 1/2 games behind DAL and PHIL
- Taking a tiebreak against Dallas will require a win over Dallas and a Dallas loss to either PHIL or WAS
- The SEA game is the game the Giants can most "afford to lose" from a tiebreak perspective.
Details:
(For now I'm just looking at DAL and PHI)
Giants vs DAL (2-way tie):
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STEP 1: (Head-to-head)
Giants lose to DAL = DAL takes tiebreak
Giants beat DAL = Go to step 2
STEP 2: (Division)
DAL beats PHIL and WAS = DAL takes tiebreak
Giants beat WAS twice AND DAL loses to PHIL and WAS = NYG take tiebreak
Giants beat WAS twice AND DAL loses to PHIL or WAS = go to step 3
Giants beat WAS once AND DAL loses to PHIL and WAS = go to step 3
STEP 3: (Common Opponents)
Giants lose to SEA = NYG take tiebreak
Giants beat SEA = go to step 4
STEP 4: (Conference)
DAL does better against GB and CHI than NYG does against GB and DET = DAL takes tiebreak
Otherwise = Strength of Victory
Giants vs PHIL (2-way tie):
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STEP 1: (Head-to-head)
Teams split. Go to step 2.
STEP 2: (Division)
NYG does better in the 2 WAS games than PHIL does against WAS and DAL = NYG takes tiebreak
NYG does worse in the 2 WAS games than PHIL does against WAS and DAL = PHI takes tiebreak
NYG does the same in these games = go to step 3
STEP 3: (Common Opps)
Giants lose to SEA OR PHI beats ARIZ = NYG take tiebreak
Giants beat SEA AND ARIZ beats PHIL = go to step 4
STEP 4: (Conference)
Decided by best record against NFC North. PHI currently 1-0. Giants 1-1.
Giants vs Phi and Dal (3 way tie)
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STEP 1: Head to head among teams.
NYG beats DAL and PHIL beats DAL = Go to step 2
Otherwise = DAL takes tiebreak.
STEP 2: Division Record
This would be decided by best performance against WAS.
Dal and Phil have already beat WAS. Giants haven't played WAS.
If one of the teams does better that the other 2, that team wins the tiebreak
If a single team does worse, go to a 2 way tiebreak for the 2 teams that did better.
If all do the same against WAS go to STEP 3.
STEP 3: Common opponents
Giants lose to SEA = NYG takes tiebreak
Giants beat SEA and PHI beat ARI = reverts to 2-way tiebreak with DAL
Giants beat SEA and ARI beats PHI = go to STEP 4.
STEP 4:
Compare records against NFC North for all 3 teams, etc.
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Although DAL got crushed tonight, they still have that 3-0 division record to help them.
Always appreciated it when someone finds an error.
But it's funny that one can actually look at the stuff without being ridiculous, when this team was 0-6.
Glass half full: We're a competitive division!
The loss to seattle would make the Giants 0-2 against the non-common opponents. Dallas is 1-1. If the teams finish in a tie, Dallas would have won one more game against the non-common, so the Giants would have one one more game against the common and take the common opponents tiebreaker.
1. The results of a tie with another team can be altered if a 3rd team is involved in a tie. (For example, Team A can beat Team B head to head, but still not win a tiebreak involving Teams A, B and C).
2. A team can be in the playoffs if tiebreakers are applied "as if the season ended today", proceed to win out, and still not make the playoffs. (Future games can change tiebreakers).
3. Common opponents come before conference record when determining tiebreaks within a division. The non-conference games are common opponents, so for division tiebreaks they are actually more important that the 2 conference games that are non-common.
4. The easiest way to figure out common opponents is to use the fact that the team that does better in the 2 non-common opponents games is going to have a worse record against common opponents. In this way this tiebreak can be "locked in" early in the season, because one only has to look at the results of 2 games for each team.
Second, can someone (in basic terms) please explain to me how losing to Seattle would be beneficial for us? I can't wrap my head around that.
The loss to Seattle just means that the circumstances creating a tie would have meant the Giants won that common opponent tie breaker, but that tie would be far more difficult to achieve in the first place.
Took me a while, but I got there.
Thanks Ray!