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NFLN: Giants to finish 7-9 and miss playoffs

Emlen'sGremlins : 11/14/2013 7:57 am
Willie McGinnest and Heath Evans reviewed the remaining schedule last night and here's what they came up with.

Green Bay - W
Dallas - W
@ Washington - W
Seattle - L
@ San Diego - L
@ Detroit - L
Washington - W
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7 wins... with that offense????  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/14/2013 9:13 am : link
shit we might just lose the fucking games because of special teams
junc and Googs...  
FranknWeezer : 11/14/2013 9:23 am : link
...are you talking about the ball Myers tipped that was picked off or another play in the Bears game?
RE: junc and Googs...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 9:28 am : link
In comment 11336977 FranknWeezer said:
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...are you talking about the ball Myers tipped that was picked off or another play in the Bears game?


Yes, the play to Myers that was tipped and picked off to spoil potential game-winning drive at end of the game.
Well that's that.  
BlueLou : 11/14/2013 9:32 am : link
No reason to watch the remaining games, so I can focus on the launch of my first wine, cool.
I think  
Randy in CT : 11/14/2013 9:36 am : link
we go 9-7 and get in.

And then roll to the SB at home. And win that fucking thing.

How you like THEM apples??

Randy, or NFLN....  
BlueLou : 11/14/2013 9:45 am : link
Hat to admit it, but I'll take Radnee for 200...
RE: I think we're past the point of serious changes being made.  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 9:49 am : link
In comment 11336899 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The players didn't pack it in at 0-6 so that probably buys us another year of this same team with roster changes.

It doesn't matter what Reese thinks of TC. Anything involving Tom is going to be John Mara's call. I really believe that.


The notion that we can squeak out four wins in a row against two 3rd string QBs, a backup on the team for 39 minutes, and Terrelle Pryor and it buys this group more time is miserable.
I have the Giants finishing at 7-9 too but  
nicky43 : 11/14/2013 9:49 am : link
winning a few different games. I don't think 7 - 9 will be enough to win the division though. BUT... I do think 8 - 8 wins the division and I still think that is possible but it will be very hard.

I think Dallas finishes 7 - 9 too but they would take the division due to divisional win/loss record.

I had the Eagles at 6 - 10 but I also had them losing to Green Bay.

I have the Redskins finishing 6 - 10 as well.

But what the heck do I know? The greatest thing about this game is a bad team can beat a great team on any given day.

Also, this wouldn't amount to "blowing it" after a comeback to 6-6  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 9:54 am : link
The schedule in December is simply much harder than the schedule has been during this six game stretch we're in the middle of, where the only team that's not terrible is Dallas, and they're losing starters by the second and we play them at home.

If the team gets to 6-6 and promptly loses 2 of 3 to Seattle and Detroit, that'd be expected, not "blowing it" or "choking" or "collapsing" or w/e.
If Eli would stop  
Rflairr : 11/14/2013 10:01 am : link
Playing so bad, they could possibly run the table
Hey! Finishing 7-9 and getting a mediocre draft pick...  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:03 am : link
...doesn't mean we can't pick up a very, very good offensive lineman in the middle of the first round. Someone has gotta be there who can help this team!!!
Flair, are you aware of the  
Randy in CT : 11/14/2013 10:05 am : link
impact of the offensive line? How about the receivers running accurate routes? And catching balls cleanly?


Eli has some things to clean up but there are contributing factors also.
RE: Also, this wouldn't amount to  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 10:08 am : link
In comment 11337042 Kyle said:
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The schedule in December is simply much harder than the schedule has been during this six game stretch we're in the middle of, where the only team that's not terrible is Dallas, and they're losing starters by the second and we play them at home.

If the team gets to 6-6 and promptly loses 2 of 3 to Seattle and Detroit, that'd be expected, not "blowing it" or "choking" or "collapsing" or w/e.


Just saying how NFLN (and rest of media) would convey it.
I see us likely winning  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 10:12 am : link
our next 2 games and losing the rest. Suspect we will be lucky to win 6 games. That Lions game will probably expose this oline more than we have seen so far.
True, but the concept of "strength of schedule" is lost  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 10:12 am : link
when it comes to sexier narratives of "choking" or "getting hot"
Randy in CT...  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:16 am : link
...no matter how hard we try to shine that Eli apple this year, there are worms in it. He has been awful. And for a 10-year vet with two Super Bowl MVPs, he has been ridiculously awful!
getting hot is an interesting concept  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 10:16 am : link
however the fundamentals on this team are really bad in some very basic football areas. I don't think I have seen them dominate anybody in any phase in any game this year, that is what is troubling.
Eli has to stop having children  
spike : 11/14/2013 10:19 am : link
it's messing up his game.
RE: getting hot is an interesting concept  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 10:20 am : link
In comment 11337090 mdc1 said:
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however the fundamentals on this team are really bad in some very basic football areas. I don't think I have seen them dominate anybody in any phase in any game this year, that is what is troubling.


They are just pacing themselves...
RE: Hey! Finishing 7-9 and getting a mediocre draft pick...  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 10:20 am : link
In comment 11337060 M.S. said:
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...doesn't mean we can't pick up a very, very good offensive lineman in the middle of the first round. Someone has gotta be there who can help this team!!!


Yes, correct. What is damning though is if it takes 2 seasons to resolve this oline due to the careless negligence by Reese and crew.
Real hard envisioning winning that game in D.C.  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:22 am : link
That Redskins team has averaged 30 points over their last 4 teams, so they are -- despite out good D -- gonna hang some points on us.

The question is: Will our offense hang some points on them... or just hang themselves?
Not much difference between 7-9 and 9-7  
Jupiter : 11/14/2013 10:36 am : link
This team can go either way. Based on what we have seen so far, 7-9 is much more likely than 9-7. However, with slight improvements of offense and specials, 9-7 is possible.

Get to the dance, then worry about how long you will stay.
Do we make the playoffs at...  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:39 am : link
...9-7? Or, do a lot of things have to break just right for us?
can we sneak it via the last WC  
spike : 11/14/2013 10:41 am : link
at 9-7 this year?
its too bad Carolina beat SF Last week  
spike : 11/14/2013 10:43 am : link
because I dont think they will be worse than 9-7 this season. (currently 6-3)
RE: can we sneak it via the last WC  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 10:48 am : link
In comment 11337173 spike said:
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at 9-7 this year?



Doesn't look good for 9-7 making it as a Wild Card this year with 8 teams in the NFC having winning records as of now.
There's no way in hell we're getting a WC  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 11:16 am : link
San Francisco and one of New Orleans/Carolina will get the two WC spots.
I still see 6-10........or 5-11.....  
BillKo : 11/14/2013 11:34 am : link
...lunless the offense really gets it together in the pass game........
Each of the 3 division games is winnable imo,  
Mad Mike : 11/14/2013 11:41 am : link
but winning all of them seems awfully unlikely to me. 5-6 is still my expectation on wins, but the next 2 weeks might upgrade my opinion.
A lot of looking ahead and figuring the Redskins games as wins  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/14/2013 11:44 am : link
I can't imagine a logical reason why.
the trouble I have with the skins  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 12:04 pm : link
is that I actually see us losing both games to them. Since Shanahan arrived he seems to be finding ways to outcoach TC. Anyone have the record against them since Shanahan came on board.
NFC Playoff Picture: Giants' odds improving  
nfjints : 11/14/2013 1:22 pm : link
our odd are improving
NFC Playoff Picture: Giants' odds improving - ( New Window )
Great then that means....  
Howyadoin : 11/14/2013 1:23 pm : link
We go 9-7 and Win the Division...You heard it here first!
The thought of us defeating Seattle,  
Doomster : 11/14/2013 1:28 pm : link
is shear lunacy.....

A running qb that can throw deep? A defense that will blow through our OL?

5-11, 6-10.....
The 6 to 8 win range is most likely; it's a toss-up between the two:  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2013 1:47 pm : link
They're 3-6 now...

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Green Bay (HOME) - W
Dallas (HOME) - W
@ Washington - W/L toss-up
@ San Diego - W/L toss-up
Seattle (HOME) - L
@ Detroit - L
Washington - W



They'd finish between 6-10 and 8-8 in this realistic quasi-prediction...9-7 is the VERY top of their win total that could happen. Going 9-7 means getting hot and upsetting Detroit on the road, or Seattle at Giants Stadium. Could it happen? Sure it could. Will it? That's tough to see happening at this point unless a back-up QB is playing for one of those two teams at that point. This all assumes of course that the Giants stay healthy themselves, and stop making dumb plays to beat themselves, which is asking a lot.
There's not a chance in hell this team beats Seattle.  
Riggies : 11/14/2013 1:51 pm : link
I don't care about how far the Seahawks have to travel, I don't even care if Wilson decides to take the week off.

Their defense, with what their strengths are vs what their weaknesses are, is going to eat what the Giants pretend to be an offense alive. It may very well somehow end up worse than the Carolina game.
Gotta root for the rest of the division to continue stinking it up...  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2013 1:53 pm : link
The teams that might have the best shot at upsetting the apple cart here a little bit is the eagles. If they beat the Redskins this week, they're going to have a decent chance to win the division believe it or not, which is nauseating to say, especially with their Defense. NFC Least indeed.
I agree Riggies  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2013 1:54 pm : link
Seattle will be looking to come in here and do to the Giants what the Giants did to them in Seattle in 2010.
Dallas at home is also a "toss up", at best  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 1:59 pm : link
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That 2010 game seems so long ago.  
Riggies : 11/14/2013 2:14 pm : link
I miss that offense.

They were turnover prone, but they could actually move the ball and score without having to be handed the ball on the five. Both seem like such novel concepts now.
either we're always just one win short  
SHO'NUFF : 11/14/2013 2:22 pm : link
or one win just enough....we'll be short this year, but as long as they play some meaningful games at the end of the season, considering our 0-6 start, I'll be satisfied....7-9 is my prediction as well.
RE: Dallas at home is also a  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2013 3:08 pm : link
In comment 11337599 Kyle said:
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You have a point Kyle.
Against all the well founded pessimism I pose an alternate hypothesis:  
BlueLou : 11/16/2013 2:15 am : link
what if the OL is in fact slowly getting better each game as they gel (as a unit) and as individuals with little or no NFL experience starting (Pugh and Cordle) gain that starting experience?

I can't judge the OL myself beyond the obvious that Eli's been under pressure and the running game has largely sucked; I'm often watching the games on crappy streams, since only a few have been broadcast here.

But I'm willing to accept Joey's review info that Cordle has improved each game (backed up by Eric's observations.) Pugh too seems to be improving. Brown is back (at least for now) and is both more experienced in the Giants' system, bigger, stronger, and a better blocker than Wilson. The other backs likely to get PT (Jacobs, if he's ever better, and Hillis) are also better blockers than Wilson. Myers has been an awful fit for this system, vis a vis his lack of blocking, but reports are that he too has (at least slightly) improved. Then add in a largely invisible Hakeem Nicks to this point of the season, and that's just not who or what Hakeem Nicks is; he's more than proven himself at this level. And Randle, still a 2nd year player only in this complicated O, but getting more and more experience in the system, not to mention him learning what Eli expects and Eli learning RR's body language...

It's a stretch, but it's not out of the question for this team (particularly this offense) to be in a process of evolving into something better. Heck they can't get worse!

And the defense - how can you not like the fact that the defense is currently carrying the offense? Having TT back has been an emotional and intellectual lift, and allowed Rolle to be more Rolle as a true safety. Beason has elevated the linebacking unit; not just by his own play but seemingly as an inspiration to a career stiff like Keith Rivers - or maybe it's just more schematic, and Beason's presence allow Rivers to do what he's best at (whatever that is)?

Getting back to whatever I can notice of the OL play on my lousy stream vs Oakland. I saw pressure coming because Oakland's blitzers went free altogether - not so much guys getting beat by being outplayed. Eli, the OL, communication and cohesiveness in play are all bound to, or at least likely to, or at minimum might possibly, get better.

In which case I don't see the Lions or San Diego running roughshod over the Giants, and think there's an outside chance of getting to 9-7 and taking the division.

Unlikely, but possible.
My post above was +/- in response to Optimus -  
BlueLou : 11/16/2013 2:20 am : link
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Going 9-7 means getting hot and upsetting Detroit on the road, or Seattle at Giants Stadium. Could it happen? Sure it could. Will it? That's tough to see happening at this point unless a back-up QB is playing for one of those two teams at that point. This all assumes of course that the Giants stay healthy themselves, and stop making dumb plays to beat themselves, which is asking a lot.


Re the "back up" QB thing you mentioned; our D playing at its best can defeat teams let by Phillip Rivers and Matt Stafford my friend. It's more the dumb mistakes and horrid STs performances that will do us in in either of those games than the brilliance of Stafford or Rivers, IMO.
The whole "we can't beat Seattle" stuff is silly.  
arcarsenal : 11/16/2013 3:14 am : link
I wouldn't bet on us in that game but it's absolutely not impossible. Mike James ran wild on them IN Seattle and the Bucs had a legitimate shot at beating them... they just couldn't seal the deal. If we had to go to Seattle I'd say there was as close to no chance as you can get but with them coming here who the hell knows. And we don't know what the state of the Giants will be at that point. They could be right in the middle of everything or completely out of it. Too much can change between now and then.
We need to stay healthy and catch some breaks  
SGMen : 11/16/2013 4:18 am : link
That is my prayer along with Eli getting "hot" with Nicks and our group of TE's who are improving.

The key to a late run (thinking 2007) is for the youth to step up and surprise and to get healthy. Who is to say what will be in Seattle? One play can change an entire team.

I remember the Jets in 1986 - it looked like a possible NY super bowl but injuries killed the Jets. Maybe Seattle and others get hit and we don't? We shall see.
14-6  
Nick in LA : 11/16/2013 6:02 am : link
Super Bowl Champs.... I like it.
We play today, we win today, das it  
JosephBlue : 11/16/2013 7:22 am : link
One game at a time
only team we arent beating for certain  
islander1 : 11/16/2013 7:30 am : link
is Seattle. As silly as it sounds...9-7 is actually possible.

Not sure which Is harder  
spike : 11/16/2013 8:11 am : link
@Detroit or home against Seattle
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