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NFLN: Giants to finish 7-9 and miss playoffs

Emlen'sGremlins : 11/14/2013 7:57 am
Willie McGinnest and Heath Evans reviewed the remaining schedule last night and here's what they came up with.

Green Bay - W
Dallas - W
@ Washington - W
Seattle - L
@ San Diego - L
@ Detroit - L
Washington - W
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7-9 might win the division  
Wuphat : 11/14/2013 7:58 am : link
...
7 - 9  
Sec 103 : 11/14/2013 8:03 am : link
would be a stretch...
And a disgusting record to win a division with...
i dont think 7-9 is a stretch  
Tuckrule : 11/14/2013 8:20 am : link
Im going with 8-8 and we make the playoffs. Lions are not that great and neither is san diego. I expect to win 1 out of those 2
I think we beat Seattle  
weeg in the bronx : 11/14/2013 8:23 am : link
Cross country trek, our running game is improving as is the defense. They are probally right about 7-9 though.
Well, the Giants put themselves in a big hole early...  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 8:25 am : link
...and the #1 hole digger happened to be our QB:

Sept 8th; @Dallas; 3 Interceptions; Loss
Sept 15th; Denver; 4 Interceptions; Loss
Oct 6th; Philly; 3 Interceptions; Loss
Oct 10th; @ Chi; 3 Interceptions; Loss
Those three projected losses are tough games  
George : 11/14/2013 8:26 am : link
Seattle is an excellent team in every way.

San Diego is long road trip - maybe the furthest possible destination for the Giants to travel in the entire NFL.

Detroit's dome represents a serious home field advantage for them.

I can easily see us losing all three, even with a better team taking the field than the one we currently have.

Oh yeah, and that's the other thing: we have no idea exactly how good or bad this team really is, seeing as how our three-game winning streak has come against some of the very worst QBs in North America - and the fourth coming to town on Sunday. Our schedule starts to get a whole lot harder next week, and doesn't let up for the rest of the season.
to me THAT is the  
Victor in CT : 11/14/2013 8:26 am : link
all that assures is a mediocre drafting position. The Giants have given us plenty of great seasons in the past 25 years or so. I can deal with a 4-12 and a high draft spot for 1 year to retool. A top 5 pick could reap a huge draft pick windfall from a team desperate for a QB.

How would history have been altered if the 2003 Giants "rallied", to 8-8 or 9-7 and missed the playoffs? Would Fassel have been axed? We certainly wouldn't have Eli to kick around. Sometimes a step back to take 2 forward is a good thing.
No one on our schedule is world class...  
MikeN in Ottawa : 11/14/2013 8:27 am : link
including Seattle. They can be beat on the road, here, in the cold in December...that is a very winnable game. We will have a much tougher game with Washington than anyone else.
should read "THAT is the nightmare"  
Victor in CT : 11/14/2013 8:27 am : link
sorry
I agree with them  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2013 8:29 am : link
I think the best they go can go is 9-7, which is also possible. 7-9 seems more likely to me though. It's only a prediction. None of these guys, including any of us, have a crystal ball. Nobody knows. It's all in fun and for the purpose of filling air time.
If this team beats GB, Dallas AND Washington...  
arcarsenal : 11/14/2013 8:29 am : link
I don't think they're going to turn around and lose 3 in a row immediately after but we'll see.
Seems  
AcidTest : 11/14/2013 8:33 am : link
reasonable.
RE: to me THAT is the  
Optimus-NY : 11/14/2013 8:33 am : link
In comment 11336885 Victor in CT said:
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all that assures is a mediocre drafting position. The Giants have given us plenty of great seasons in the past 25 years or so. I can deal with a 4-12 and a high draft spot for 1 year to retool. A top 5 pick could reap a huge draft pick windfall from a team desperate for a QB.

How would history have been altered if the 2003 Giants "rallied", to 8-8 or 9-7 and missed the playoffs? Would Fassel have been axed? We certainly wouldn't have Eli to kick around. Sometimes a step back to take 2 forward is a good thing.


I wouldn't have a problem with that.
I think we're past the point of serious changes being made.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/14/2013 8:34 am : link
The players didn't pack it in at 0-6 so that probably buys us another year of this same team with roster changes.

It doesn't matter what Reese thinks of TC. Anything involving Tom is going to be John Mara's call. I really believe that.
RE: I think we're past the point of serious changes being made.  
drkenneth : 11/14/2013 8:37 am : link
In comment 11336899 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The players didn't pack it in at 0-6 so that probably buys us another year of this same team with roster changes.

It doesn't matter what Reese thinks of TC. Anything involving Tom is going to be John Mara's call. I really believe that.


Which is unacceptable to me.
The way they predicted those wins/losses would have the  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 8:41 am : link
Giants at a 6-6 record with 4 games to go, and presumably tied for first place at that time with Philly (maybe). That would be shocking of course based on the start of this season.

But then they predict the Giants "blow it" by losing 3 of the final 4 games.

Mike  
Tuckrule : 11/14/2013 8:46 am : link
I agree with you about Washington. Always a tough game and griffin and Morris seem to be back to their old ways. Tough games but winnable. I don't look at this schedule thinking any game is a sure loss. We can honestly win them all the way this defense is playing. Still waiting for a Classic Eli game. 3 td and 1 int with 300+ yards( realistic)
That fucking drop  
area junc : 11/14/2013 8:49 am : link
In the bears game might cost us everything ... What a bum
good god...  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/14/2013 8:52 am : link
7-9 ... we would be so lucky
If we win the next 3 we won't lose to SD  
BillT : 11/14/2013 8:52 am : link
And will be better than 50/50 to beat Detroit. SD, Detroit and Dallas are similar teams. Better than average offense, bad defense. We'll beat them all.
Very interested to see us  
area junc : 11/14/2013 8:52 am : link
Defend the skins

Im sure we all noticed our speed to the edge last week vs. pryor....we can really run with j.will and rivers at olb......and beason telling them what to do

Looks like we were baiting pryor to take the corner then wed close it up
speaking of Bears games  
YAJ2112 : 11/14/2013 8:53 am : link
Are you ready to enlighten us on what happened at halftime of the '06 Bears game yet?
They can very realistically  
silverfox : 11/14/2013 8:53 am : link
...lose 3 more games. Something tells me they will lose 4 more because they are likely going to split with Washington. Just a hunch.
7-9  
Buck Dharma : 11/14/2013 9:01 am : link
The NFLN prediction is a very realistic scenario.
RE: That fucking drop  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 9:02 am : link
In comment 11336922 area junc said:
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In the bears game might cost us everything ... What a bum


Junc - Its difficult to point to any one thing obviously in a season, but I don't disagree with you that was a HUGE play that we missed on. Cost us a win and is a loss against a common opponent.

Hopefully Chicago beats Dallas and Philly for us later in the year.
Spoiler alert???!  
vibe4giants : 11/14/2013 9:02 am : link
Damn it. Now what do I do with the rest of the season?
RE: i dont think 7-9 is a stretch  
Sec 103 : 11/14/2013 9:06 am : link
7 - 9 and the division is still a stretch...
Not the record the fact that we'd win the division...
In comment 11336880 Tuckrule said:
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Im going with 8-8 and we make the playoffs. Lions are not that great and neither is san diego. I expect to win 1 out of those 2
I think 7-9 is still a bit of a reach.  
Curtis in VA : 11/14/2013 9:08 am : link
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7 wins... with that offense????  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/14/2013 9:13 am : link
shit we might just lose the fucking games because of special teams
junc and Googs...  
FranknWeezer : 11/14/2013 9:23 am : link
...are you talking about the ball Myers tipped that was picked off or another play in the Bears game?
RE: junc and Googs...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 9:28 am : link
In comment 11336977 FranknWeezer said:
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...are you talking about the ball Myers tipped that was picked off or another play in the Bears game?


Yes, the play to Myers that was tipped and picked off to spoil potential game-winning drive at end of the game.
Well that's that.  
BlueLou : 11/14/2013 9:32 am : link
No reason to watch the remaining games, so I can focus on the launch of my first wine, cool.
I think  
Randy in CT : 11/14/2013 9:36 am : link
we go 9-7 and get in.

And then roll to the SB at home. And win that fucking thing.

How you like THEM apples??

Randy, or NFLN....  
BlueLou : 11/14/2013 9:45 am : link
Hat to admit it, but I'll take Radnee for 200...
RE: I think we're past the point of serious changes being made.  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 9:49 am : link
In comment 11336899 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The players didn't pack it in at 0-6 so that probably buys us another year of this same team with roster changes.

It doesn't matter what Reese thinks of TC. Anything involving Tom is going to be John Mara's call. I really believe that.


The notion that we can squeak out four wins in a row against two 3rd string QBs, a backup on the team for 39 minutes, and Terrelle Pryor and it buys this group more time is miserable.
I have the Giants finishing at 7-9 too but  
nicky43 : 11/14/2013 9:49 am : link
winning a few different games. I don't think 7 - 9 will be enough to win the division though. BUT... I do think 8 - 8 wins the division and I still think that is possible but it will be very hard.

I think Dallas finishes 7 - 9 too but they would take the division due to divisional win/loss record.

I had the Eagles at 6 - 10 but I also had them losing to Green Bay.

I have the Redskins finishing 6 - 10 as well.

But what the heck do I know? The greatest thing about this game is a bad team can beat a great team on any given day.

Also, this wouldn't amount to "blowing it" after a comeback to 6-6  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 9:54 am : link
The schedule in December is simply much harder than the schedule has been during this six game stretch we're in the middle of, where the only team that's not terrible is Dallas, and they're losing starters by the second and we play them at home.

If the team gets to 6-6 and promptly loses 2 of 3 to Seattle and Detroit, that'd be expected, not "blowing it" or "choking" or "collapsing" or w/e.
If Eli would stop  
Rflairr : 11/14/2013 10:01 am : link
Playing so bad, they could possibly run the table
Hey! Finishing 7-9 and getting a mediocre draft pick...  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:03 am : link
...doesn't mean we can't pick up a very, very good offensive lineman in the middle of the first round. Someone has gotta be there who can help this team!!!
Flair, are you aware of the  
Randy in CT : 11/14/2013 10:05 am : link
impact of the offensive line? How about the receivers running accurate routes? And catching balls cleanly?


Eli has some things to clean up but there are contributing factors also.
RE: Also, this wouldn't amount to  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 10:08 am : link
In comment 11337042 Kyle said:
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The schedule in December is simply much harder than the schedule has been during this six game stretch we're in the middle of, where the only team that's not terrible is Dallas, and they're losing starters by the second and we play them at home.

If the team gets to 6-6 and promptly loses 2 of 3 to Seattle and Detroit, that'd be expected, not "blowing it" or "choking" or "collapsing" or w/e.


Just saying how NFLN (and rest of media) would convey it.
I see us likely winning  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 10:12 am : link
our next 2 games and losing the rest. Suspect we will be lucky to win 6 games. That Lions game will probably expose this oline more than we have seen so far.
True, but the concept of "strength of schedule" is lost  
Kyle : 11/14/2013 10:12 am : link
when it comes to sexier narratives of "choking" or "getting hot"
Randy in CT...  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:16 am : link
...no matter how hard we try to shine that Eli apple this year, there are worms in it. He has been awful. And for a 10-year vet with two Super Bowl MVPs, he has been ridiculously awful!
getting hot is an interesting concept  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 10:16 am : link
however the fundamentals on this team are really bad in some very basic football areas. I don't think I have seen them dominate anybody in any phase in any game this year, that is what is troubling.
Eli has to stop having children  
spike : 11/14/2013 10:19 am : link
it's messing up his game.
RE: getting hot is an interesting concept  
Jimmy Googs : 11/14/2013 10:20 am : link
In comment 11337090 mdc1 said:
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however the fundamentals on this team are really bad in some very basic football areas. I don't think I have seen them dominate anybody in any phase in any game this year, that is what is troubling.


They are just pacing themselves...
RE: Hey! Finishing 7-9 and getting a mediocre draft pick...  
mdc1 : 11/14/2013 10:20 am : link
In comment 11337060 M.S. said:
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...doesn't mean we can't pick up a very, very good offensive lineman in the middle of the first round. Someone has gotta be there who can help this team!!!


Yes, correct. What is damning though is if it takes 2 seasons to resolve this oline due to the careless negligence by Reese and crew.
Real hard envisioning winning that game in D.C.  
M.S. : 11/14/2013 10:22 am : link
That Redskins team has averaged 30 points over their last 4 teams, so they are -- despite out good D -- gonna hang some points on us.

The question is: Will our offense hang some points on them... or just hang themselves?
Not much difference between 7-9 and 9-7  
Jupiter : 11/14/2013 10:36 am : link
This team can go either way. Based on what we have seen so far, 7-9 is much more likely than 9-7. However, with slight improvements of offense and specials, 9-7 is possible.

Get to the dance, then worry about how long you will stay.
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