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Angry Eli?

exiled : 11/18/2013 8:08 am
Another game not televised in my area. (I should just move back to NJ.) Did Eli really give Meyers a hard time on the sidelines yesterday? Did he go all Tom Brady? I'm not sure how I feel about that. I've always appreciated Eli's cool-headedness. ("Cooler than the other side of the pillow.") What's the consensus?
He's really out of control.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/18/2013 8:17 am : link
Time to let him go.
He tore Murphy a new one too.  
Riggies : 11/18/2013 8:22 am : link
Clearly, he's now a headcase.

Dez Bryant 2.0.
a hard time?  
Jon from PA : 11/18/2013 8:23 am : link
that's putting it mildly...just take a look at him during his postgame presser...

I watched the game yesterday on TV and don't recall him  
Curtis in VA : 11/18/2013 8:28 am : link
going off on anyone on camera. Did I miss something?
If he did, it is about  
MikeN in Ottawa : 11/18/2013 8:29 am : link
friggin' time. Eli needs to tell these guys that either they run the right patterns or they will not see the ball.

Murphy cost us at least three and maybe six points yesterday. It was totally on him.

Too many boneheaded plays being made by the offense.
He also  
dep026 : 11/18/2013 8:32 am : link
got on Cruz for a wrong pattern inside the Packers 10 on a 3rd down.

Its about time Eli goes after these guy for continually to mess up time after time.
Eli always talks  
GIANTSr01 : 11/18/2013 8:41 am : link
with his WRs after a miscommunication. On occasion it gets slightly heated.

Didn't see him go after Myers (or Murphy) though. Murphy needs to go back to riding the pine though.
yes, and it was justified  
NYG007 : 11/18/2013 8:58 am : link
He did gesture a handful of times. But he laid into both Murphy, he caused a big red zone INT, and Doo Doo Brown, when he screwd up a route in the red zone on 3rd down and crossed in front of Cruz. Brown also la la gagged on 2 check downs, running half speed on one, and not looking the ball in on another.

Those things can not continue to happen. I am glad Eli finally got pissed at these guys, he needs to do more of that to keep them from constantly screwing up.
RE: He also  
GloryDayz : 11/18/2013 9:01 am : link
In comment 11343752 dep026 said:
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got on Cruz for a wrong pattern inside the Packers 10 on a 3rd down.

Its about time Eli goes after these guy for continually to mess up time after time.


I think it might have been Brown, not Cruz that ran the wrong route
Listened to the game on the radio  
George : 11/18/2013 9:05 am : link
during a long car ride home.

Papa and Banks were saying that Eli was pissed at Murphy after the INT, and that Gilbride was also talking to the WR.

TV cameras must not have caught it.
Didn't see it but the beat writers Tweeted about it.  
Ace718 : 11/18/2013 9:08 am : link
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Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 15h
According to Howard Cross (@WFAN660) Eli Manning was screaming at Louis Murphy on the sidelines after that play. Clearly ran the wrong way.


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Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 15h
Howard Cross on WFAN broadcast says an animated Eli Manning was discussing the interception with Louis Murphy Jr.


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@Andy_Mills_SL: Both Eli and @giants o-coordinator Kevin Gilbride just flipped out on WR Louis Murphy Jr.,


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Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 12h
Brandon Myers on Emotional Eli: "That's what we need. We need somebody to hold everybody accountable and he does that."


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Andrew Mills ‏@Andy_Mills_SL 15h
@ConorTOrr @Giants Now Eli is lashing out at Myers after another drop. He's fired up. #nyg


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Ed Valentine ‏@bigblueview 15h
#nyg INcomplete pass to Myers, and Eli is yelling at the TE. Manning is clearly getting annoyed w/mistakes by receivers.


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yankees78 : 11/18/2013 9:11 am : link
Eli had the rage.

Maybe Eli  
rebel yell : 11/18/2013 9:18 am : link
will light a fire under their asses. This is a good thing!
Good for him.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2013 9:34 am : link
He has earned the right. And it's not a negative thing. It's late in the season. Time to learn the playbook.
Peyton is noted for  
KeoweeFan : 11/18/2013 9:42 am : link
getting after his receivers for mistakes.
I wouldn't be surprised if in a mid-week conversation he told lil' bro to stop being so forgiving and start chewing ass.
I read Eli's lips.  
Blackbeard : 11/18/2013 9:45 am : link
He said, "Aw Shucks", "Gee Whiz" and other shocking expletives too crude to repeat.
I would LOVE to see and know just how complicated  
CT Charlie : 11/18/2013 9:45 am : link
the playbook is.

I teach high school math, and some students seem almost incapable of remembering patterns and numbers. It's like me with colors. I just can't see or remember the difference between colors that my wife and daughters learned as 6-year-olds.
Giants are running a country club here  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2013 9:46 am : link
Coughlin is now too soft!
Can Eli light a fire under Nicks too?  
dpinzow : 11/18/2013 9:46 am : link
If we're going to have a go at this thing we need the good Hakeem Nicks back. Someone also has to get it into Nicks' head that he is losing millions on the open market if he ends this season without a TD catch
i thought  
Les in TO : 11/18/2013 9:49 am : link
eli played his best game of the season yesterday - not perfect, but his decisions were a lot better and he was stepping up in the pocket and making some big time throws; he also did what i've been saying he lacked all season was scramble for some positive yardage when the defenders are playing man coverage on deeper routes and all the receivers are covered...better to get 5 yards and punt/putting the defense in a good position than make a risky throw. glad to hear he was bringing some intensity - he's a pretty even keeled guy so to see him show some anger/fire is actually a good thing.
I hope he called them N words  
Davisian : 11/18/2013 9:55 am : link
And threatened to shit down their throats after raping their sisters because... culture, yo..
Running Eli  
NNJ Tom : 11/18/2013 9:59 am : link
He was pissed because 2 of the longest runs of his career got called back by penalties.

There's a new sheriff in town, and his name is ELI !!
I know Manning was getting on Myers after an incompletion...  
okiegiant : 11/18/2013 10:06 am : link
I think it was in the 2nd qtr. Myers was coming back to the huddle and Manning was saying something and looking a little aggitated.

Myers just kept walking but he looked embarrased(like crap, I screwed the pooch on that one, embarrased).
Blackbeard  
Antdog23 : 11/18/2013 10:09 am : link
I laughed...
He got on Cruz in the red zone for sitting in the middle on a pass  
montanagiant : 11/18/2013 10:22 am : link
When he was the clear out receiver. Brown was the one supposed to get the pass, that ball was a bullet he threw
I think that's good  
moespree : 11/18/2013 10:32 am : link
And not a big deal either, do hopefully the media doesn't try to turn it into one. These are grown men. I mean if they can't take being yelled at by a guy who doesn't do it that often to begin with, then I don't what to say.
Definitely  
spike : 11/18/2013 10:37 am : link
these dumbass receivers are KILLING Eli's Hall of Fame resume.

Seriously  
Phil in Joisey : 11/18/2013 10:48 am : link
What the hell was Murphy doing in the game at that point? And then to actually throw it to him? As Bill Parcells famously said, "Don't expect someone to do something they've never done before".
In the same vein, earlier in the game the Giants sent Bear Pascoe (yes Bear Pascoe) deep for a bomb. Read the Parcells quote above one more time.
Spike said in jest....  
NNJ Tom : 11/18/2013 10:54 am : link
but there is an element of truth to that statement.
Murphy was in the game because Nicks asked to be taken out.  
Ace718 : 11/18/2013 10:57 am : link
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No one quite knows what triggered a rare outward display of emotion from wide receiver Hakeem Nicks. He inexplicably took himself out of Sunday's game against the Packers on a play in which there was a miscommunication between his replacement, Louis Murphy, and Eli Manning that resulted in an interception.

“Nah, I just came out,” said Nicks, when asked if he left the game because his knee was bothering him. “It was just one of those situations where I let `Murph’ go ahead and take that.”

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Nicks has got to learn to be THE MAN  
spike : 11/18/2013 10:59 am : link
What has happened to our former no 1 WR?

Does he need to see a psychiatrist? Wassup? No love for the ball? He needs to read Keyshawn's book.
RE: Murphy was in the game because Nicks asked to be taken out.  
dep026 : 11/18/2013 11:00 am : link
In comment 11344087 Ace718 said:
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No one quite knows what triggered a rare outward display of emotion from wide receiver Hakeem Nicks. He inexplicably took himself out of Sunday's game against the Packers on a play in which there was a miscommunication between his replacement, Louis Murphy, and Eli Manning that resulted in an interception.

“Nah, I just came out,” said Nicks, when asked if he left the game because his knee was bothering him. “It was just one of those situations where I let `Murph’ go ahead and take that.”

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3rd down inside the 20 and nicks wanted out? Yeah... nothing wrong with his heart. He isn't even a top 50 WR this year. He truly bitched on us. Good riddance.
What  
NJGiantFan84 : 11/18/2013 11:00 am : link
I love about ELi is taht he refused to throw LM under the bus in his post-game presser. He said "I threw it to the wrong team" in a joking manner. After a follow-up, He then went on to say that someimes the INT's are on him and sometimes other things happen. All he cares about is getting it right, blah blah blah w/ a long-winded answer that told us nothing, an art form he has mastered.

Yell at him privately and protect him publicly. That is a leader.
I like it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/18/2013 11:02 am : link
He's the leader of the team.
I am glad! I been waiting for this!!  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2013 11:04 am : link
It's obvious he doesn't trust his players except for Cruz. Myers ran the wrong route and said after the game, Eli gave him an ear full. Meanwhile, Murphy messes up a hitch route! A HITCH ROUTE!!

Simply, high percentage passing concepts Eli is getting picked off on. Let's recap. A slant, Screen, and now a 5-6 yard hitch. All INTs! That's pathetic. No wonder Eli doesn't trust others. Those are easy high percentage plays and the fools aren't executing something so simply.

Why on gods green earth is Murphy drafting on a hitch route? Sometimes I wish Eli had Brady's personality and just rage on everyone on the sideline more often.

He should be doing this many games ago. I would snap too if I am Eli. Fucking 5 yard hitch and you get picked off because the fool drifts to the right.
Especially when they have no margin for error now.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2013 11:07 am : link
They have maybe 1 more loss as a buffer. That's it. You can't afford these mistakes anymore.
RE: Especially when they have no margin for error now.  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2013 11:14 am : link
In comment 11344113 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They have maybe 1 more loss as a buffer. That's it. You can't afford these mistakes anymore.


I am surprised he waited this long. I was hoping he would do this. You can only take so much stupid shit. On top of that, media experts and such ripping on Eli. Every broadcast mentions he leads the league in INTs. Then another stupid Int, where he gets picked off on a hitch route. Some of the stuff I have seen is flat out amazing this year. Picked off on a screen, slant, and now hitch. I can't believe that. It's a hitch, run it and turn around. Idiot drifts to the right.

We took away the option and choice routes on deeper passing concepts, but it doesn't mean shit if on shorter, high percentage routes someone is doing something else.
Anish  
dep026 : 11/18/2013 11:17 am : link
I was told by a BBI'er that Eli is suppose to know where the WR is going to be on every route he runs. Even ones where the WR improvises.

It's amazing how you and other people try to explain what option routes are, and how it fucks up when they arent on the same page.

Yet, as I predicted in the GT.... people still blasted Eli for that Eli. Even after the broadcasters, coaches, and Eli blamed Murphy.... people STILL blamed Eli. Just maddening.
RE: RE: Especially when they have no margin for error now.  
GmenDynasty : 11/18/2013 11:22 am : link
In comment 11344130 AnishPatel said:
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They have maybe 1 more loss as a buffer. That's it. You can't afford these mistakes anymore.



I am surprised he waited this long. I was hoping he would do this. You can only take so much stupid shit. On top of that, media experts and such ripping on Eli. Every broadcast mentions he leads the league in INTs. Then another stupid Int, where he gets picked off on a hitch route. Some of the stuff I have seen is flat out amazing this year. Picked off on a screen, slant, and now hitch. I can't believe that. It's a hitch, run it and turn around. Idiot drifts to the right.

We took away the option and choice routes on deeper passing concepts, but it doesn't mean shit if on shorter, high percentage routes someone is doing something else.


How do you know we took away some of the option and choice routes?

I was encouraged by what I saw yesterday. It looks like little baby steps (due to the continued miscommunications) but I think they are beginning to gel out there on O. Hopefully they will continue to improve each passing week and we actually have a running game if Brown can stay healthy.
Glad to see Eli being a little more in your face with these guys...  
Damon : 11/18/2013 11:22 am : link
They certainly haven't done him many favors this year.

While it's been his worst season since his rookie year... He's gotten very little help.

The sad thing is... these guys can run perfect routes the rest of the year... Nicks can man up and swallow everything thrown his way and it won't mean much if the O-Line doesn't start protecting better.

Every time he drops back to pass... I'm holding my breath.
Anish  
GmenDynasty : 11/18/2013 11:27 am : link
My questions would be:

Why can't vet WR/TE's coming in from another system grasp this system? This isnt one or two guys here. Look at bennett last year. Heck even many of our 'home grown' guys take years to get it. Mario manningham, Jeremy Shockey,Jernigan, Amani at the beginning,Plax at the beginning.

The Nicks and Cruz types seem to be excpetions to the rules and even Cruz struggled bigtime early on with it.

If they have removed some choice routes from the deeper passing concepts that hopefully is a step in the right direction.
RE: Anish  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2013 11:31 am : link
In comment 11344140 dep026 said:
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I was told by a BBI'er that Eli is suppose to know where the WR is going to be on every route he runs. Even ones where the WR improvises.

It's amazing how you and other people try to explain what option routes are, and how it fucks up when they arent on the same page.

Yet, as I predicted in the GT.... people still blasted Eli for that Eli. Even after the broadcasters, coaches, and Eli blamed Murphy.... people STILL blamed Eli. Just maddening.


He has an idea, but in the end, just like everything in this offense, you need to be on the same page with the WR. That's the biggest issue. You need to be 100% on the same page with ZERO error. Why? Because if you're off by a mm, then that will result in a turnover. Where the WR does one thing, and the ball goes another way.

I am glad Eli went bat shit. A freaking int on a damn hitch route. He gets picked off on a hitch, slant, and screen. Obviously deep passes too. Bad decisions by Eli get picked off, and even balls of players shoes that pop up in the air. Hell of a fucking season when that shit happens. However, we are still in the playoff race which is amazing.
Good  
ZogZerg : 11/18/2013 11:38 am : link
He needs to hold them accountable and stop covering up their srew ups.
I think the beard  
Bill in UT : 11/18/2013 11:43 am : link
is making him feel like a mountain man.
9 and 1/2  
old man : 11/18/2013 12:02 pm : link
games into the season, eating more dirt and turf than maybe my rookie year due to a (fill in the blank)OL for almost 2 seasons, potentially getting into the record books for the opposite reason my brother will for TDs, with my number 1 WR clowning for Carolina, and starting TE and backup WR that have no idea what the diagrams in the playbook mean, with my D covering for the O's mistakes, but still with a chance to win the division after an 0-6 start, I might be coming in at game time with a bodyguard holding a baseball bat and letting my O teammates know, 'if you screw up, that bat will find you'.
just saying...
I'm glad for Eli.
RE: I think the beard  
islander1 : 11/18/2013 12:15 pm : link
In comment 11344199 Bill in UT said:
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is making him feel like a mountain man.


My money is on this. Eli is done covering for these guys 100%. Anish makes a hell of a lot of sense with the commentary on the short pass INTs. It's been crazy - the INTs we give up the past two seasons.
How  
blue42 : 11/18/2013 1:28 pm : link
about Gilbride throwing three passes in a row with 14 point lead in the 4th quarter?
I couldn't catch the game either.  
santacruzom : 11/18/2013 1:32 pm : link
Was Murphy's mistake egregious and unjustifiable? By that I mean, did the choice he made in his route lead him into more coverage than he'd have faced if he went the other direction?
First he starts growing facial hair  
derpaderp : 11/18/2013 1:36 pm : link
Now he's displaying anger and violent behavior. I think it's time for Archie and Olivia to check his bedroom for drugs.
Let's go to the video tape...  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2013 1:40 pm : link


You be the judge
Santa, The DB was playing him inside  
montanagiant : 11/18/2013 1:55 pm : link
All Murphy had to do was drift to the outside and he had at least a 6 yard gain
Re: Murphy  
Matt M. : 11/18/2013 2:40 pm : link
My initial reaction was it was another miscomunication, but Moose was very quick to point out that it was 100% on Murphy running the wrong pattern. Watching it again, after Moose's explanation, it was very clear. This wasn't the usual "not on the same page". He said there was no read there; Murphy was just wrong. It certainly appeared that way.
Eli Angry Bird?  
SHO'NUFF : 11/18/2013 4:12 pm : link
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Eli tearing into LM and BM  
SHO'NUFF : 11/18/2013 4:18 pm : link
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