I do not want to make this a whole indictment of Reese's philosophy. But, it angers me that he cannot get on the field, especially given our poor play from the TE position (although Meyers might have had his most impactful game yesterday with some really timely catches). When you draft a tight end in the fourth round, project or not, injuries or not, he needs to get on the field by the middle of November in his second season. What has he dressed, two games in his career? I really am doubting whether he will every play for us and whether this was just a stupid pick on a project at way too high a place in the draft.
after that INT I would argue that JPP would be a better TE than Robinson :)
Remember Brian Alford <shudder> I do.
I'd have more faith in his long term prospects if he had done anything at the NFL level, or at least in college. He wasn't even used a lot at Cincinnati, since they ran a five WR set. Ross said as much after he was drafted.
Reese claiming he is the "JPP of TEs" just proves that Robinson was taken primarily based on his measureables. Like Austin, Barden, Petrus, Brewer, and many others. Like them, Robinson is another "high ceiling," "low floor," player.
This has to stop. Leave those guys for the sixth and seventh rounds. Too many bust. The NFL graveyard is littered with guys with "wow" measureables who never did anything. I'd rather get a guy with some proven football success, even if they don't have the "eye popping" workout numbers.
The end result is that we won't be getting anything from Robinson this year, and maybe not next year as well, even if he can finally stay healthy.
They basically did nothing also. Not saying that is what he will become, but this sometimes happens when you take these raw athletes and make them TE's.
I don't understand how he dressed Jerrigan every week. Coaches enjoy privileges. Who suits up is one of them.
If Reese wanted, he could have decided not to sign a FA TE. So he, at least, to some degree agrees with TC about Robinson.
Unfortunately stats don't reveal games started, etc., so seem pretty limitted with respect to value.
Love to see something quantitative that would be more revealing than info on one single player/team. But this is the best I can find.
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Sorry this coaching staff has lost the benefit of the doubt. After Stokley over Cruz. After putting O'Hara back on the field. After the borderline insane loyalty to Diehl.
Guys like Brewer and Robinson might be horrible or too green to play but there's just as much chance they're as good a Cruz and will never get a chance until everyone else in front of them is too injured to play.
Jerry said Brewer had "left tackle feet," and now he can't even beat out Diehl at guard. He also missed a ton of time at Indiana because of foot and ankle injuries. Petrus was a converted TE with limited experience at guard, but broke the combine record for bench presses. Austin had great workouts that were supposed to offset his not having played for more than a year when he was drafted. Barden was a super tall guy whose height was supposed to allow him to dominate smaller WRs in the NFL. Similar to Burress. Cooper Taylor might fit into this category as well. And so on.
Kuhn is a guy who was drafted largely based on his measureables. He had little football experience. The same for Cox. But they were seventh round picks.
Few people would be criticizing Reese for taking Robinson if he had done so in the sixth or seventh, and not the fourth round, and if he didn't have a bad track record of wrongly emphasizing measureables over football success.
Has AR stepped up similarly? No. Injuries certainly have been a part of this equation, but coaches see these men every day in meetings, chalk talk, the practice field, the weight room, etc.
In other words, they know what the player is made of until the player proves he's made of more.
Are coaches 100% infallible? No, but it's silly to assume they're wrong more often than not.
TMS : 9:12 am : link : reply
was another reach by Reese and Ross based on athletic ability not demonstrated ability to play football. Those two are always trying to land the next STEAL for thier ego's.
Yeah, that has to be it. Always trying to land that next steal for their ego. You really think that's what they are doing?
All of the coaches have said the same thing...he's got a ton of talent, but he needs work. And they have all said that the missed time this year has really set him back.
It's not more complicated than that.
The Gambler
There's some gaping holes in the last several draft classes where measurables pushed a kid into a higher round than he probably should have been. You can have one maybe two flyers on the last day of the Draft.....but when you come out of the "Player Selection Meeting" with Sintim, Barden, Beckum and Bomar......you're depth is going to take a hit.
The Number of Players still on NFL Rosters is a bad Metric. Barden has been on a Roster for 4 years and only has like 30 catches to show for it (most of them came in the Carolina game). His pension is going to be over $400K per year.
Thank you. Things happen that cause players to miss time and when a player was drafted based on measureables only, it takes even more time for him to recover.
The coaches know what he has right nowand he's not ready yet, but that doesn't mean he won't ever be a contributor.
Some players take a lot of time to develop.
Some of the expectations around here are totally unreasonable. Our odds for success with Robinson were never more than 25%.
btw, the guy who wrote the article doesn't seem to have been much of a judge of talent. Many of the guys he loves are out of the league, the few standouts today are guys he shits on.
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3 TE's are ahead of Robinson on Depth
chart..dont expect Rob unless one gets hurt..
Moore is hardly playing
Haven't heard of him. Some guys named Julius Thomas and Jordan Cameron play in the NFL too
Analysis: Geno Atkins had a good Senior Bowl but he is undersized and will get pushed around. He will work hard but is mainly a rotation guy.
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Now, if he doesn't play next year...
So guys like Pope are sent out to look for projects who have the tools to become good two-way guys.
So now NFL teams draft players for 2 years of production IF you assume somehow Robinson stays healthy, practices, and produces at a high-level?
then of course he'll need a big contract and the Giants won't be able to afford him.
I get that rookie draft picks aren't expected to contribute day 1, particularly 4th round picks, but yeah, I think they should add something in the first two years.
Hosley and Austin were worse, but nothing good yet about this Robinson pick.
They basically did nothing also. Not saying that is what he will become, but this sometimes happens when you take these raw athletes and make them TE's.
What fans heard was.. we just drafted another guy who is a star who will come in and dominate and set the world on fire..
What Reese meant was.. we have another college project who has a rare athletic ability and size speed ratio for his position who is RAW but shows signs of the ability to be dominant if we can develop him..
JPP developed very quickly.. and still has growing to do.. Robinson has been hampered by an injury this year which of course has slowed his development.. and now while trying to climb back to .500.. isnt the time to experiment.
You have a guy who is 6'4-6'5 260ish that runs under 4.6 in the 40.. thats a mismatch for most LB's and too big for most safeties and CB's.. so he has physical tools..
The question is can he get there mentally and then can the mental process translate into playing on the field.. because of injury that process has slowed..
Fans are far too impatient now with draft picks. Partially because the Giants have had so many mid round blunders.. it creates this issue.
2) Said young, raw player does not contribute much in his first year or two, as the team expected.
3) BBI declares said player a bust and point to someone taken later who is contributing more on his team as proof that the Giants scouts and GM should be fired.
The problem is, there haven't been enough examples of #4:
4) Said player develops, becomes a solid contributor and shuts everyone up.
This guy Robinson played 4 years and never did much of anything.Supposedly the Cincinnati coaches didn't realize what they had.
Reese is a "disciple" of both George Young (emphasis on production) and Ernie Accorsi (emphasis on potential). Adrien Robinson was an Accorsi-style pick.
The Broncos got 100 catches out of the TE spot last year between Dreesen and Tamme, plus Thomas was injured. This year both Dreesen and Tamme started off injured.
Cameron played year 2 (14 games and 6 starts), and they had a couple decent tight ends.
Robinson has almost literally no one to beat out. He's not stuck behind Mark Bavaro or Jeremy Shockey here.
I don't think it's wrong to be disappointed.
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Frank Francisco of the Mets.. just milking his injuries to collect a paycheck.
So you think hes faking it?
What resources? A 4th-round pick?
If he stays healthy and learns which guy he's supposed to block, he'll be well worth the investment.
4 127 New York Giants Adrien Robinson TE Cincinnati Big East
4* 128 Minnesota Vikings Rhett Ellison FB USC Pac-12
4* 129 Oakland Raiders Miles Burris LB San Diego State MWC
4* 130 Baltimore Ravens Christian Thompson S South Carolina State MEAC
4* 131 New York Giants Brandon Mosley OT Auburn SEC
4* 132 Green Bay Packers Mike Daniels DT Iowa Big Ten
4* 133 Green Bay Packers Jerron McMillian S Maine CAA
4* 134 Minnesota Vikings Greg Childs WR Arkansas SEC
4* 135 Dallas Cowboys Matt Johnson S Eastern Washington Big Sky
5 136 Indianapolis Colts Josh Chapman DT Alabama SEC
5 137 Denver Broncos Malik Jackson DE Tennessee SEC from St. Louis[R5 - 1]
5 138 Detroit Lions Tahir Whitehead LB Temple MAC from Minnesota [R5 - 2]
5 139 Minnesota Vikings Robert Blanton S Notre Dame Ind. from Cleveland [R5 - 3]
5 140 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Najee Goode LB West Virginia Big East
5 141 Washington Redskins Adam Gettis G Iowa Big Ten
5 142 Jacksonville Jaguars Brandon Marshall LB Nevada WAC
5 143 Carolina Panthers Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina Big South
5 144 Buffalo Bills Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State ACC
5 145 Tennessee Titans Taylor Thompson DE SMU C-USA from Miami [R5 - 4]
5 146 Kansas City Chiefs DeQuan Menzie CB Alabama SEC
5 147 Buffalo Bills Tank Carder LB TCU MWC from Seattle[R5 - 5]
5 148 Detroit Lions Chris Greenwood CB Albion MIAA from Oakland[R5 - 6]
5 149 San Diego Chargers Johnnie Troutman G Penn State Big Ten
5 150 St. Louis Rams Rokevious Watkins G South Carolina SEC from Chicago [R5 - 7]
5 151 Arizona Cardinals Senio Kelemete G Washington Pac-12
5 152 Dallas Cowboys Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech ACC
5 153 Philadelphia Eagles Dennis Kelly OT Purdue Big Ten
5 154 Seattle Seahawks Korey Toomer LB Idaho WAC from New York Jets[R5 - 8]
5 155 Miami Dolphins Josh Kaddu LB Oregon Pac-12 from Tennessee [R5 - 9]
5 156 Cincinnati Bengals Shaun Prater CB Iowa Big Ten
5 157 Atlanta Falcons Bradie Ewing FB Wisconsin Big Ten
5 158 Oakland Raiders Jack Crawford DE Penn State Big Ten from Detroit[R5 - 10]
5 159 Pittsburgh Steelers Chris Rainey RB Florida SEC
5 160 Cleveland Browns Ryan Miller G Colorado Pac-12 from Denver[R5 - 11]
5 161 Houston Texans Randy Bullock K Texas A&M Big 12
5 162 New Orleans Saints Corey White S Samford SoCon
5 163 Green Bay Packers Terrell Manning LB NC State ACC from Green Bay via New England [R5 - 12]
5 164 Atlanta Falcons Jonathan Massaquoi DE Troy Sun Belt from Baltimore [R5 - 13]
5 165 San Francisco 49ers Darius Fleming LB Notre Dame Ind.
5 166 Cincinnati Bengals Marvin Jones WR California Pac-12 from New England[R5 - 14]
5 167 Cincinnati Bengals George Iloka S Boise State MWC from New York Giants[R5 - 15]
5* 168 Oakland Raiders Juron Criner WR Arizona Pac-12
5* 169 Baltimore Ravens Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly Great West
5* 170 Indianapolis Colts Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State SEC
I've read somewhere, or maybe it was a video feed, Jerry Reese use the phrase "... coach 'em up". At times he probably looks for certain measurable attributes and puts the onus on the coaching staff to see what they can do with him.
The thing is, if the college player doesn't have any production, how do you know he has any chance of making it at the highest level? It is a gamble.
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