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Adrien Robinson

Essex : 11/18/2013 8:56 am
I do not want to make this a whole indictment of Reese's philosophy. But, it angers me that he cannot get on the field, especially given our poor play from the TE position (although Meyers might have had his most impactful game yesterday with some really timely catches). When you draft a tight end in the fourth round, project or not, injuries or not, he needs to get on the field by the middle of November in his second season. What has he dressed, two games in his career? I really am doubting whether he will every play for us and whether this was just a stupid pick on a project at way too high a place in the draft.
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who?  
Victor in CT : 11/18/2013 9:00 am : link
:-)
I bet he wish he can go back in time and not say that JPP of TEs  
fredgbrown : 11/18/2013 9:00 am : link
comment.
It's a problem  
Giants2012 : 11/18/2013 9:01 am : link
when the kid is annointed the JPP of TE's and get no snaps.
RE: I bet he wish he can go back in time and not say that JPP of TEs  
Victor in CT : 11/18/2013 9:02 am : link
In comment 11343809 fredgbrown said:
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comment.


after that INT I would argue that JPP would be a better TE than Robinson :)
Since he never plays  
deadkurtrulz : 11/18/2013 9:02 am : link
it is pretty easy to call him a bust. it seems a lot of Giant draft picks collect their rookie contracts while riding a stationary bike. It beats working.
mid round picks not panning out  
cm512 : 11/18/2013 9:02 am : link
The injuries seems to have stalled progress for some of our mid round guys. Its frustrating because we don't know what we have with these guys. I would add Javron Hosley to that list but is happened a lot the past few years. Beckum, Austin, Sintim etc.
i am done with reaches  
nyynyg : 11/18/2013 9:02 am : link
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If a player can't get on the field  
JonC : 11/18/2013 9:06 am : link
look at him first, it's likely his lack of performance that's gotten his arse parked on the bench.
Robinson is  
TMS : 11/18/2013 9:12 am : link
was another reach by Reese and Ross based on athletic ability not demonstrated ability to play football. Those two are always trying to land the next STEAL for thier ego's. They should be replaced after this year with people who can find football players not incompetent athletes just looking for a paycheck, like Austin for instance.
TMS  
nyynyg : 11/18/2013 9:17 am : link
i wouldn't go that far. every GM and front office personnel has their misses whether you call them reaches, etc. every one. some players just don't pan out.

Remember Brian Alford <shudder> I do.
Essex  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2013 9:18 am : link
It doesn't matter if he is good or bad right now. He has only practiced in about six or seven practices after missing the end of the preseason and the first two months of the season. He's way behind. And because he was green to start with (from a small school), he needs to catch up. People don't want to admit it but his injuries - which looked more insignificant at the time - has probably cost him this season. That doesn't mean he sucks.
I saÿ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2013 9:19 am : link
the same thing each year. This isn't a video game. It's real and there is a learning curve.
I  
AcidTest : 11/18/2013 9:19 am : link
think if we had more cap room, he would have been put on IR by now. But we'd have to replace him, and don't have the cap room to do so. So he's just inactive every week.

I'd have more faith in his long term prospects if he had done anything at the NFL level, or at least in college. He wasn't even used a lot at Cincinnati, since they ran a five WR set. Ross said as much after he was drafted.

Reese claiming he is the "JPP of TEs" just proves that Robinson was taken primarily based on his measureables. Like Austin, Barden, Petrus, Brewer, and many others. Like them, Robinson is another "high ceiling," "low floor," player.

This has to stop. Leave those guys for the sixth and seventh rounds. Too many bust. The NFL graveyard is littered with guys with "wow" measureables who never did anything. I'd rather get a guy with some proven football success, even if they don't have the "eye popping" workout numbers.

The end result is that we won't be getting anything from Robinson this year, and maybe not next year as well, even if he can finally stay healthy.
You  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2013 9:22 am : link
guys are overreacting. If he didn't get hurt, he would have been playing.
Should compare Robinson's stats  
Chaka : 11/18/2013 9:25 am : link
to Julian Thomas and Jordan Cameron their first 2 years

They basically did nothing also. Not saying that is what he will become, but this sometimes happens when you take these raw athletes and make them TE's.
Certain coaches nail certain players to the bench  
old timer : 11/18/2013 9:26 am : link
They all do. TC has decided for whatever reason that developing Robinson is not in the best interest of the team.

I don't understand how he dressed Jerrigan every week. Coaches enjoy privileges. Who suits up is one of them.

If Reese wanted, he could have decided not to sign a FA TE. So he, at least, to some degree agrees with TC about Robinson.
can't really find any statistical information  
aquidneck : 11/18/2013 9:27 am : link
that reveals drafting success by teams. I've linked what I think comes closest, it shows the Giants in the middle of the pack with 34 team drafted players on their 90 man roster going into 2013 training camp.

Unfortunately stats don't reveal games started, etc., so seem pretty limitted with respect to value.

Love to see something quantitative that would be more revealing than info on one single player/team. But this is the best I can find.
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Eric, isn't Robinson from Cinncinati  
old timer : 11/18/2013 9:28 am : link
Not exactly a small school, its has player all over the NFL.
JonC  
nomad1986 : 11/18/2013 9:29 am : link
Kind of like Cruz in 2011? The guy the coaching staff wanted to cut after training camp? The guy who couldn't get on the field because Brandon Stokley was in front of him?

Sorry this coaching staff has lost the benefit of the doubt. After Stokley over Cruz. After putting O'Hara back on the field. After the borderline insane loyalty to Diehl.

Guys like Brewer and Robinson might be horrible or too green to play but there's just as much chance they're as good a Cruz and will never get a chance until everyone else in front of them is too injured to play.
Mike Pope  
NewBlue : 11/18/2013 9:34 am : link
Acknowledged as one of the best TE coaches in the business, but he can't get through to Robinson.
But  
AcidTest : 11/18/2013 9:35 am : link
it isn't just Robinson. Robinson is one example of Reese and Ross drafting players based more on workout numbers than actual success on a football field. And it's also where Robinson and guys like Austin, Barden, Brewer, Petrus, etc. were drafted. These are high, or at least mid round picks.

Jerry said Brewer had "left tackle feet," and now he can't even beat out Diehl at guard. He also missed a ton of time at Indiana because of foot and ankle injuries. Petrus was a converted TE with limited experience at guard, but broke the combine record for bench presses. Austin had great workouts that were supposed to offset his not having played for more than a year when he was drafted. Barden was a super tall guy whose height was supposed to allow him to dominate smaller WRs in the NFL. Similar to Burress. Cooper Taylor might fit into this category as well. And so on.

Kuhn is a guy who was drafted largely based on his measureables. He had little football experience. The same for Cox. But they were seventh round picks.

Few people would be criticizing Reese for taking Robinson if he had done so in the sixth or seventh, and not the fourth round, and if he didn't have a bad track record of wrongly emphasizing measureables over football success.
nomad  
JonC : 11/18/2013 9:41 am : link
Apples and oranges, Stokley was signed to light a fire under Cruz and it worked. Cruz stepped up rendering Stokley a non-entity.

Has AR stepped up similarly? No. Injuries certainly have been a part of this equation, but coaches see these men every day in meetings, chalk talk, the practice field, the weight room, etc.

In other words, they know what the player is made of until the player proves he's made of more.

Are coaches 100% infallible? No, but it's silly to assume they're wrong more often than not.
lulz, TMS  
Giantology : 11/18/2013 9:46 am : link
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Robinson is
TMS : 9:12 am : link : reply
was another reach by Reese and Ross based on athletic ability not demonstrated ability to play football. Those two are always trying to land the next STEAL for thier ego's.


Yeah, that has to be it. Always trying to land that next steal for their ego. You really think that's what they are doing?
old timer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2013 9:49 am : link
Robinson had something like 8 career catches at Cincinnati because of the nature of their offense.

All of the coaches have said the same thing...he's got a ton of talent, but he needs work. And they have all said that the missed time this year has really set him back.

It's not more complicated than that.
One  
AcidTest : 11/18/2013 9:52 am : link
of these "measurables" guys is going to work out, and turn into a really good football player. But a success rate of 1/6 or 1/7 doesn't seem to justify the strategy, especially when most are taken with second through fifth round picks.
Reese was going for the cover of Pro Football Weekly with this pick  
ghost718 : 11/18/2013 9:59 am : link
Could have had Fleener or Dwayne Allen,but he wanted to go for it all.


The Gambler
"it angers me that he cannot get on the field"  
Gman11 : 11/18/2013 10:03 am : link
Serenity Now! Serenity Now!
his film is damn impressive  
mattlawson : 11/18/2013 10:05 am : link
let's see what he can do -- yes it sucks he hasn't gotten on the field
Yeah because Fleener  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2013 10:05 am : link
is totally dominating right now.
He reminds me of  
spike : 11/18/2013 10:07 am : link
Frank Francisco of the Mets.. just milking his injuries to collect a paycheck.
I don't disagree that their drafting philosophy isn't producing  
JonC : 11/18/2013 10:09 am : link
as it needs to in rounds 2-4, however, or that the OL/TE positions need to be addressed.
Eric doesn't just say it.  
Exit 172 : 11/18/2013 10:12 am : link
He saÿs it.
Guy gets hurt quite a bit for  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/18/2013 10:15 am : link
someone who doesn't play much.
When will some of you learn to be patient?  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2013 10:24 am : link
I bet the same people calling Robinson a bust were also calling Eli, Manningham, Amukamara, Toomer, Tiki, Tuck, Umenyiora, Joseph, Beatty, Webster, and Derrick Ward busts at this stage in their careers.
I'm with Jay.  
CT Charlie : 11/18/2013 10:43 am : link
The draft is still a crapshoot, and injuries complicate everything. If injuries to guys like Prince and Robinson and Wilson frustrate fans, imagine how coaches feel.
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Named Later : 11/18/2013 10:48 am : link
This whole topic of mid-round reaches was thoroughly discussed Sunday morning in spike's thread.....you could, as they say, look it up.

There's some gaping holes in the last several draft classes where measurables pushed a kid into a higher round than he probably should have been. You can have one maybe two flyers on the last day of the Draft.....but when you come out of the "Player Selection Meeting" with Sintim, Barden, Beckum and Bomar......you're depth is going to take a hit.

The Number of Players still on NFL Rosters is a bad Metric. Barden has been on a Roster for 4 years and only has like 30 catches to show for it (most of them came in the Carolina game). His pension is going to be over $400K per year.
RE: I saÿ  
NJGiantFan84 : 11/18/2013 10:54 am : link
In comment 11343851 Eric from BBI said:
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the same thing each year. This isn't a video game. It's real and there is a learning curve.



Thank you. Things happen that cause players to miss time and when a player was drafted based on measureables only, it takes even more time for him to recover.

The coaches know what he has right nowand he's not ready yet, but that doesn't mean he won't ever be a contributor.

Some players take a lot of time to develop.

If you can't get on the field, you're of no use  
Optimus-NY : 11/18/2013 10:57 am : link
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Yeah - drafting a raw TE with minimal college production is stupid.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/18/2013 10:57 am : link
What ever happened to that Jimmy Graham guy, anyway? Did he ever make it onto the field for the Saints?
If this guy was not showing anything or worth it  
geemanfan : 11/18/2013 11:03 am : link
Don't you think he would have been on the IR already?
missed last week's thread,  
aquidneck : 11/18/2013 11:03 am : link
but just for yuks looked up 2010 NFL draft. About half the guys out of the league, something short of a quarter are starers.

Some of the expectations around here are totally unreasonable. Our odds for success with Robinson were never more than 25%.

btw, the guy who wrote the article doesn't seem to have been much of a judge of talent. Many of the guys he loves are out of the league, the few standouts today are guys he shits on.


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Kg  
SBlue46 : 11/18/2013 11:04 am : link
has 2-3 plays to a TE..per game..
3 TE's are ahead of Robinson on Depth
chart..dont expect Rob unless one gets hurt..
Moore is hardly playing
RE: Yeah - drafting a raw TE with minimal college production is stupid.  
BigBlueBull : 11/18/2013 11:04 am : link
In comment 11344086 Big Blue Blogger said:
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What ever happened to that Jimmy Graham guy, anyway? Did he ever make it onto the field for the Saints?


Haven't heard of him. Some guys named Julius Thomas and Jordan Cameron play in the NFL too
LOL  
spike : 11/18/2013 11:05 am : link
"NO. 120: BENGALS SELECT: GENO ATKINS, DT, GEORGIA GRADE
Analysis: Geno Atkins had a good Senior Bowl but he is undersized and will get pushed around. He will work hard but is mainly a rotation guy.
C+"
BBI would have cut Julius Thomas after his second year  
Andy in Halifax : 11/18/2013 11:06 am : link
when he had produced as much as Robinson has to date.
Well, since Jimmy Graham did it,  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/18/2013 11:06 am : link
I'm sure that means Adrien Robinson can.
Yeah  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2013 11:07 am : link
That Antonio Gates guy had a great college career... as basketball player.
The new blueprint for drating TE's has been found!  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/18/2013 11:10 am : link
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What about Visanthe Shiancoe?  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2013 11:10 am : link
He did nothing here and went on to have a very good career with the Vikings.
there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2013 11:14 am : link
are lots of draft picks to get upset over (Austin, Barden, Moss, Sintim, Jerngian), but I just don't put Robinson in that category yet. He was raw coming out and had this year sabotaged.

Now, if he doesn't play next year...
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