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WSJ: Sorry, but the Giants (Probably) Won't Make the POs

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/21/2013 11:36 am
Sorry, but the Giants (Probably) Won't Make the Playoffs - ( New Window )
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It's hardly a controversial thought.  
vibe4giants : 11/21/2013 11:58 am : link
Playing the percentages, the Giants probably won't make the playoffs.

We hope otherwise.

Meanwhile, there's a game Sunday which actually means something. A month ago, that seemed long odds, too.

That's why they play the games, I hear.
Gregg: 'Dre already suffered his season-ending injury for 2013.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/21/2013 12:01 pm : link
But thanks to the 2012 IR rule change, he gets to play again.

rsjem1979: Even at 10-6, they need at least one loss by the Eagles. Not that I expect Philly to run the table (Foles has to have an off day at some point), but it's possible.
This is the same guy  
B in ALB : 11/21/2013 12:04 pm : link
who wrote the article shitting all over Eli and didn't bother mentioning the OLine issues once. Dudes a hack with a lame agenda.
When did the WSJ become relevant  
montanagiant : 11/21/2013 12:04 pm : link
With regards to sports writing?
When they say mean things about the Giants  
vibe4giants : 11/21/2013 12:05 pm : link
I don't think most of us believe the Giants will make the playoffs  
L.T.=Lawrence Taylor : 11/21/2013 12:06 pm : link
or that they'll advance far if they do, but why predict doom and gloom? Especially about a team that's made us look foolish for believing they couldn't do it before?
James Taranto would file this under "Out on a Limb."  
Klaatu : 11/21/2013 12:06 pm : link
Their sports writing is actually  
Blue Baller : 11/21/2013 12:06 pm : link
leaps and bounds better than most of the other stuff out there

This is setting up  
G2 : 11/21/2013 12:07 pm : link
for another great Americas Game.
Long odds  
Phil from WNY : 11/21/2013 12:07 pm : link
make winning that much more enjoyable. One of the best things about 2007 was the low probability of a Super Bowl victory. I don't expect them to make the playoffs either but this run has turned this into a fun year.
SanFranGiantsFan : 11/21/2013 12:08 pm : link
Not outlandish. The odds are still long, though they look better now than they did a couple of weeks ago.

Beat Dallas & go from there.
So you're telling me...  
Johnny5 : 11/21/2013 12:09 pm : link
islander1 : 11/21/2013 12:09 pm : link
In comment 11350527 chrispisano66 said:
They have to go unbeaten up until Seattle.

The recipe for the playoffs is to win the next 3 games. Split Seattle/Detroit. Beat Washington @ home.

They're more than halfway there. Everything is in front of them.

exactly this. We have to rationally assume a loss to Seattle, or possibly Detroit. Obviously, we have one loss to give the rest of the season, provided it's not to Washington.
That makes us 9-7, with a divisional record of 4-2.

The Eagles sweeping Washington is a huge problem for us now. If they lose to Dallas, that puts them (Eagles) at 4-2 in the divison also.
However...Dallas winning that last game will basically make us hope/pray that Washington beats them in week 15. If they don't, then they hold a 9-7 tiebreaker with a divisional record (hypothetical) of 5-1.

So either way, one of those two teams will have a 5-1 division record, unless Dallas loses to both Washington and Philly at the end...and if they do THAT, they'd be 8-8 anyway

Really, that whole article was a huge waste of time. This scenario above, combined with the Giants going 5-1 their last 6 is pretty unlikely.
They gave ten reasons and the OL was not one of them  
oipolloi : 11/21/2013 12:10 pm : link
that tells you about all you need to know about the level of the WSJ's sports reporting
This article was counting on......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 11/21/2013 12:11 pm : link
Wilson not playing because things were wrapped up in Week 15????
RE: Gregg: 'Dre already suffered his season-ending injury for 2013.  
rsjem1979 : 11/21/2013 12:12 pm : link
In comment 11350540 Big Blue Blogger said:
But thanks to the 2012 IR rule change, he gets to play again.

rsjem1979: Even at 10-6, they need at least one loss by the Eagles. Not that I expect Philly to run the table (Foles has to have an off day at some point), but it's possible.

Yeah that's true - I was working off the assumption that the Eagles would lose one somewhere along the line.

And good call on the 1994/1998 "too little too late" seasons. I was at that Christmas Eve game against the Cowboys in 1994 when the Giants won their 6th straight to end the season but missed the playoffs because the Packers were beating the Bucs at the same time.
The article wasn't a waste of time from their perspective.  
vibe4giants : 11/21/2013 12:13 pm : link
Because look at all the clicks it's getting.
RE: I don't get  
Curtis in VA : 11/21/2013 12:15 pm : link
In comment 11350484 TomTom said:
how you can just say Beason and Brown will breakdown without a doubt.

Beason was a pretty healthy player before his injuries. I don't think he is "injury-prone" per say. Brown is a different story. He's been injured since college, which is why I believe he dropped to the 4th round. Chances are better than not he will break down before the season is over if history is any indication.
What are the odds that any team would be 3-0  
CT Charlie : 11/21/2013 12:15 pm : link
against the Patriots in their last three games, two of which were SuperBowls?
MassGman : 11/21/2013 12:17 pm : link
Are you kidding me
While stating Brown and Beason  
Doomster : 11/21/2013 12:18 pm : link
will break down, like it's an absolute fact, is a huge stretch, it also is a possibility.....

Even if they remain healthy, the fact is the Giants have dug themselves a hole that will be hard to climb out of, not only because they have to go 6-0, or 5-1, against offenses that are superior to the last four, BUT because they have to count on other teams to lose......they do not control their own destiny.....

So for the WSJ to come out and state the obvious, that the odds against the Giants are high, that is not much of a revelation.....

And if the Giants somehow pull this out, I am sure BBI will be more than happy to mail copies of this story back to the WSJ.....

Hard to argue  
TMS : 11/21/2013 12:23 pm : link
with his conclusion. The odds are stacked against us. We need help STILL on the Ol where Diehl is hopelessly overmatched and no injuries to the resurgent players JPP, Nicks, Brown, Thomas etc. But we will show up and who knows. Maybe we run the table and it becomes our best comeback year to date.
Under "normal" circumstances I would say the Giants' chances...  
M.S. : 11/21/2013 12:26 pm : link
...of making the playoffs (as of now) are shit. Or worse than shit. But I hesitate for one reason and one reason only. I saw two mediocre Coughlin teams turn it on and win Super Bowls. So ya just never know with this guy at the helm. If there's one big difference between then and now is that the combo OL/QB positions are not as good. If that changes... ya never know!
Didn't read article  
LG in NYC : 11/21/2013 12:30 pm : link
bud sadly, I think we get a beat down this weekend and any slim hope at a miracle story essentially ends.

Good news for Giants fans though, I am usually wrong about these things!
arcarsenal : 11/21/2013 12:36 pm : link
No way the Giants get "beat down" on Sunday. I feel supremely confident in that much.

They may lose.. but I bet it'll be close if they do.

But fuck that shit anyway.. because the Giants are NOT going to lose.
If they could have won just ONE game  
Overseer : 11/21/2013 12:36 pm : link
in that brutal stretch it would have made a big difference. 0-6 is, unfortunately, just too large of a hole.

The Giants aren't going to win out, so at best they are 9-7, but the more likely realistic best case scenario is 8-8. That means they need lots of help...namely the Eagles losing a lot more games.

That fucking Bears game....grrrrrr
Best comment of the article  
njm : 11/21/2013 12:40 pm : link
"Alright, we didn't exactly need Nostradamus for that one."
islander1 The eagles already lost to Dallas at home  
Giants11 : 11/21/2013 1:02 pm : link
they are 3-2 in the division right now.
No shitt  
PaulN : 11/21/2013 2:35 pm : link
We all know this already. I never did care, but now that we are here, and we actually have a big game this year, which was very doubtful after 0-6, might as well have a little fun and win this game. If we do then we have another big game next week in Washington, if we win that game then we have another big game in San Diego, if we win that then we have another big game at home against Seattle. The task continues to get harder and harder each week, but we take it one week at a time and have fun each week and appreciate the fact that we have any big games this year. If you are a true fan, you love the team even if they are down, I can not begin to say how happy I am to watch even one game of significance this season. How much fun will it be if we turn around and win this game against the Cowboys and then head to Washington for a Monday Night showdown, WOW!
They probably won't  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/21/2013 2:37 pm : link
but I want them to go downs swinging. I'm proud of the way they are conducting themselves. It's the mark of good leadership.
PaulN : 11/21/2013 2:38 pm : link
Meant Sunday Night. Actually that is better because we have fared much better on Sunday night then Monday night.
PaulN : 11/21/2013 2:46 pm : link
True. I feel the same way. In fact, with us getting healthier now, and gaining in confidence, if we did win this week, there really is no telling how much further this team can go. We have been so bad, that it seemed impossible to think they could turn this around and play well enough to make any splash. These games have not been very impressive wins at all, it is true. But could you imagine if the defense continues to play at this level even against the good QB's, and imagine if this offense suddenly started clicking, if Nicks started catching some deep balls, and started scoring some TD's. If Jacobs and Brown even got better running the ball, and if Eli started to look like he did in 2011. Could you imagine if that happened, if it did then tell me this, where is the team that we could not beat. The team that is even better then the 15-1 Packers, the team better then the 14-2 49rs. Sorry, but we get this teams act together, I look forward to he challenge of playing those teams that think we can not beat them. I think it has been proven already that Eli can lead this team to victory against ANY TEAM, no matter how great, even if they are 17-0!
Anyone else think this article may have been written  
Exit 172 : 11/21/2013 2:47 pm : link
to motivate the Giants, since media negativity has been such a proven springboard for past Giants teams?

If I were a local sportswriter, I would probably write a similar article called, "Sorry, Giants, But You Can't Do It This Time." Then I'd sit back, watch the fun (and ignore my emails).
Awful article  
cnuke : 11/21/2013 2:48 pm : link
The worst part was the bit about the tie-breakers. He basically just looked at their current records. Most scenarios that have the Giants end in a tie for the division lead, would also have them beating Dallas this week and Washington twice.

If that happens, they would be in a pretty good tie-breaker situation. This would put the Giants at 4-2 in the division and Philly no better than 4-2. And Dallas ending at 4-2 if they lose to Philly to the the season.

Assuming the Giants lose to Seattle, they would win any tie-breaker going beyond the division record. The most like situation that results in a tie for the division lead has the Giants losing to Seattle and beating Dal and Was(twice). If that happens the only tie breaker the Giants would not win would be if the Cowboys beat the Eagles.

Basically they need to beat Dallas and then beat Washington. If they do that, they will be right in the thick of things. If they lose one of those games, things get a whole lot worse.
So the WSJ  
Big Blue '56 : 11/21/2013 3:24 pm : link
differs from the vast majority here, how?
good god  
chris r : 11/21/2013 3:31 pm : link
people are getting defensive about this? The odds are against the Giants. That's a fact. Doesn't mean they won't
philly is on hot streak  
giantfanboy : 11/21/2013 3:35 pm : link
with an untested QB
as soon as Nick Foles has a bad game the wheels are going to come off the team
unfortunately, I think Philly is getting on a roll too  
micky : 11/21/2013 3:39 pm : link
we'll see. Just thinking about beating Dallas...the rest will play out.
"There's only one thing left to do...  
bradshaw44 : 11/21/2013 3:54 pm : link
Win the whole f--king thing!"

--Jake Taylor
gidiefor : Mod : 11/21/2013 4:02 pm : link
For President!
Kind of dick in the manner he wrote this title/article...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/21/2013 4:08 pm : link
especially projecting likely injuries to both Beason and Brown to help make his point.

I know the object is to sell newspapers but the other 8 points would have held up his negative theme fine without playing Dr. Kevorkian
I'm all in with kmed at 11:41 am  
Phil in Joisey : 11/21/2013 4:32 pm : link
You nailed it!
The odds were against  
Phil S : 11/21/2013 4:51 pm : link
Super Bowls in 07 and 11
The reason behind the need  
JoefromPa : 11/21/2013 5:53 pm : link
for these guys to write such an article after 0-6, is exactly why the Giants might make the play offs.
We win the next two games and AZ beats the E-gals next week....  
SGMen : 11/21/2013 6:36 pm : link
...and there will be no stopping us. Even steven.

I really like this defense but our OL worries me. Not against Dallas as they are swiss cheese on the DL right now but the Skins, Seattle worry me.
This guy Clegg  
exiled : 11/22/2013 8:17 am : link
Wrote that nasty article about Eli the Invisible Man late last week. He's turning into some sort of sports-journalist troll.
Essex : 11/22/2013 8:50 am : link
the Eagles are playing well against bad teams and maybe they do run the table. I would not profess in a million years to know, but to say that the Eagles and Cowboys have better shots than us if we win this week is absurd. The Eagles will be playing four teams that probably need to win games; the Lions, the Cowboys, the Bears, and the Cards. It helps that they have those games at home (despite being 1-10 at home), and it helps that they have remained relatively healthy, but still. do you really have confidence that the eagles are going to only lose once?
win the next game  
djm : 11/22/2013 10:22 am : link
The Giants  
Randy in CT : 11/22/2013 10:25 am : link
(probably) won't make the play offs? Way to go out on a limb?
in "fairness" to the WSJ  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/22/2013 11:39 am : link
there are a lot of Giants fans talking playoffs, and I think it's important to be realistic to an extent.

The Giants have to beat Dallas just to still be in third place in the division due to tiebreakers, and a division that almost certainly won't produce the wildcard.

On top of that, through 10 games, the Giants offense still hasn't had one very good offensive performance except for maybe last week against a bad Packers defense starting a third-string quarterback.
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