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John Lynch: Giants Should Consider Benching Nicks

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2013 8:19 am
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"It's fair to ask whether this is the same Hakeem Nicks that we saw earlier in his career," said John Lynch, a former NFL defensive back and current analyst for Fox Sports. "For whatever reason, he isn't having the same impact."

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Nevertheless, removing Nicks from the starting lineup is a move the Giants must consider. "There comes a time when, if a guy isn't producing, it's time to sit him down," said Lynch. "In the NFL, what you've done in the past only counts for so much."


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rdt288 : 11/23/2013 9:38 am : link
This will be nick's fu game.

Why would they bench him? They will let anyone write an article these days apparently.
It's a total mystery on what's going on with him.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 11/23/2013 9:56 am : link
Is it mental? Is it physical? Who the hell knows. Every week I expect him to break out of this funk and have a big game. Hopefully it will be Sunday.
Time  
blue42 : 11/23/2013 9:58 am : link
for Nicks to turn it on for that big pay day.
There is some credibility in this post....  
Doomster : 11/23/2013 10:05 am : link
I felt Nicks should have sat down last year...he just wasn't producing....

What good is having him go out there week after week, if he is hurt? There is a reason he hasn't scored a td this year....he has had opportunities the old Nicks would have scored TD's on....

I don't know what's wrong with him, nobody but Nicks does....

If he can't perform well, I see no problem having Cruz/Randle out there in 2 WR sets...

We keep waiting for him to "break out"....we don't have that luxury anymore.....if by the fourth quarter, we are having trouble scoring, and Nicks is having another one of "those games", I think the move has to be considered....

But who knows....strange things have happened in this Giant season.....the guy could turn around and have a huge game.....and if he does, BBI will ask, where has this been all season? Who cares? If we win, all is well in Giant Land....if we lose, every play in this game will be dissected to the "nth" degree....

Giant Land will become Clowney Land, ad nauseam....

Remember when John Lynch said that a Giants coach  
Exit 172 : 11/23/2013 10:20 am : link
told him that Eli was just trying to throw the ball away on the Toomer TD to beat the Broncos?
Randle is not getting open because the attention..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 11/23/2013 10:23 am : link
is going to Nicks. He is getting open because he is running better routes than Nicks. He is playing better. Why is that so hard to come to grips with? We drafted Randle for a reason. He is starting to live up to his expectations and we should make excuses as to why just to hide the fact that Nicks sucks this year?
I am actually in this camp  
GiantTuff1 : 11/23/2013 10:28 am : link
I can't help but think of last year when Nicks was hurt but tried to play through the injuries. Him attempting to play through hurt the whole offense. As soon as he sat the offense started gaining back life.

Whatever he is dealing with - body, mind, or a combination of the two - he hasn't looked like his head's been in the game this year. And his explosiveness and separation are like Anthony Mix is out there, not the Hakeem Nicks we came to love.

I would sit him, at least to get more explosion on the field with guys who are mentally with it. It's going to be a war mentally these next few games, and if we have a guy out there hanging his head, it hurts matters, no matter how you slice it.

If Nicks isn't right and isn't a thought in defense's minds, the D's keys are going to Cruz, Randle, and tee'ing off on Eli. I don't think we can afford that.
Jernigan wouldn't replace him..  
arcarsenal : 11/23/2013 10:35 am : link
Murphy would.. and good luck with that.

We just need to hope that Hakeem can get it together here. We need him.
You don't bench Nicks...  
bradshaw44 : 11/23/2013 10:36 am : link
Keep him on the field for distraction sake if nothing else. And he may just catch a ball or two.
Lynch  
Blue Blood : 11/23/2013 10:39 am : link
needs to understand who is available behind the trio.. and the issue is the offense.. I hate the way Nicks is being singled out by the media types.. anyone see any Cruz Salsa dancing in the lat few weeks.. nope...
And I also believe Nicks bad season  
bradshaw44 : 11/23/2013 10:39 am : link
Is more of a product of the OL. And I'm willing to bet he has a massive game this week since Dallas d sucks and the OL is starting to come together a bit. This will be nicks game. Then the run begins.
17 catches for Nicks this weekend.  
Damon : 11/23/2013 10:42 am : link
200+ yards. 3 Scores.
Nicks issues go back to 2012  
baadbill : 11/23/2013 10:47 am : link
He hasn't made it all the way back from his injury last year - and at this point, one has to question if he ever will.
And the question isn't who would be the 3rd WR if Randle  
baadbill : 11/23/2013 10:52 am : link
replaces Nicks in the rotation... because the answer as to who would be the new #3 is simple - NICKS.
Randle  
Yankwood : 11/23/2013 10:52 am : link
I'm a huge fan of Randle's and see that he is improving all the time. The time will come, however, that Nicks will have to come up big down the stretch. Anyone remember Manningham and Tyree? Without those guys and their big grabs, neither team wins a Superbowl.
Bradshaw  
seanr : 11/23/2013 10:54 am : link
I disagree, I think most of it is on him dropping balls and playing disinterested.

The bigger issue is if he has lost a step of quickness is it really worth re-signing him?
Nicks is still on pace for around 1,000 yards.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/23/2013 10:55 am : link
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Strained abdomen  
jLefty : 11/23/2013 10:55 am : link
beside lingering problems from last year.Still a pretty good receiver even given his injuries.Need him on Sunday.
RE: 17 catches for Nicks this weekend.  
BBSB Times 4 and Counting : 11/23/2013 11:07 am : link
In comment 11353615 Damon said:
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200+ yards. 3 Scores.

From your mouth to God's ear
Nicks still has the skills  
TMS : 11/23/2013 11:07 am : link
to be a good possession receiver but that is all. Not a deep threat or #1 any more. We should use him that way. Give Randle and Murphy a shot at the long stuff.
Bench him?  
CapeGman : 11/23/2013 11:09 am : link
In favor of who? By this guys logic he would say we should have benched ELI.
Coughlin uses the bench for fumbling, but not too often  
Jimmy Googs : 11/23/2013 11:14 am : link
in other cases. As long as Nicks' is showing up 5 minutes early for the team meetings, he should play.

Someone said it best earlier in this thread...if Diehl doesn't get benched for poor play then no one should.
It's a stupid notion all around  
Matt M. : 11/23/2013 11:21 am : link
First of all, benching would be a formality because the Giants are routinely in 3 wide sets. So, unless you were willing to have Randle and Jernigan on the field together for a ton of snaps, even a benched Nicks would be in at some point in the first or second series. Second of all, he is still the 2nd best WR on the team. For all of Randle's TDs, he is still terribly inconsistent and running incorrect routes.
nicks is always  
marc in easton : 11/23/2013 11:31 am : link
Hurt, I feel the reason he looks diminished. I'd bet a secure new contract and a good off season to regain his health and her the nicks of old. With Giants or not. He is only 25.
Could be family issues...  
SB : 11/23/2013 11:33 am : link
...his brothers are straight-up thugs, one in prison for attempted murder.
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They have no one better  
nomad1986 : 11/23/2013 11:44 am : link
but for whatever reason, health, money, personal/family issues? Whatever is bothering him he's not the same player he was two years ago and in my opinion he never will be for the Giants again. In all likelihood he's almost physically finished. He'll be somewhere else next year and we'll see if the change of scenery makes a difference in his production.
Just no one  
Joey in VA : 11/23/2013 11:54 am : link
Bring up the R word...as in Ramses.
Nicks is a talking point  
djm : 11/23/2013 12:17 pm : link
For the lazy shit stirring media outlets at fox and espn and NFL net. Nicks isnt having a great year but to suggest benching the guy is fucking stupid snd senseless. Stupid. Stupid stupid.
The one play we take out Nicks during the Packers game,  
Cweb23 : 11/23/2013 1:03 pm : link
Eli throws a pick. Yeah brilliant idea.
He's  
AcidTest : 11/23/2013 1:03 pm : link
hurt, and it's frustrating for him. He knows he's not the #1 WR anymore, and probably not #2 either.

He's not being lazy. That's not his style. He has played through a lot of injuries. This is also a contract year for him. He's just frustrated that his injuries mean he won't cash in as a FA like he expected.
But,  
Doomster : 11/23/2013 1:28 pm : link
"He's just frustrated that his injuries mean he won't cash in as a FA like he expected."

So how does that help sending him out there like that? At some point during the game, because this game makes or breaks our season, if it's not working, a change has to be made...

I hope it doesn't come to that.....the way to avoid that, is to work him into the offense early....make him the first read, if it's not there, dump the pass elsewhere...
RE: But,  
AcidTest : 11/23/2013 2:08 pm : link
In comment 11353748 Doomster said:
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"He's just frustrated that his injuries mean he won't cash in as a FA like he expected."

So how does that help sending him out there like that? At some point during the game, because this game makes or breaks our season, if it's not working, a change has to be made...

I hope it doesn't come to that.....the way to avoid that, is to work him into the offense early....make him the first read, if it's not there, dump the pass elsewhere...


In a different situation, he might well sit, or get fewer snaps. But he still may be drawing coverage away from others, and the other options are Jernigan and Murphy.
I think it goes both ways  
giantranger : 11/23/2013 2:27 pm : link
over the last few weeks, Eli hasn't looked his way that often. Whether it be because Nicks has become unreliable with all the drops or Nicks not getting open I don't know. I think Nicks knows he needs to play big before the season ends in order to get a nice payday. He can take over a game when he wants to and don't be surprised if it is against Dallas.
coaching him and talking to him are important..  
Rsspro : 11/23/2013 2:44 pm : link
which I'm sure the staff does.. injuries can effect you.. probably is frustrating..

I still think Nicks can break out at any moment though.. hope tomorrow is the day..

would I be curious to see how Randle does getting extra reps.. yeah.. so we know future possibilities.. but Nicks is still Nicks..
I don't know anything about JR Rickert ....  
Manny in CA : 11/23/2013 2:45 pm : link
Nick's agent, I wonder how much an effect he has on him. Seems like Nicks can't go potty unless he checks with this guy.

I know J-Zee drove Cruz nuts, till Victor told him to back off, that he just wanted to play football

I know, agents are important, but sometimes it seem they are grabbing the wheel out of the player's hands way too often.
If Nicks is hurt, maybe you REST him for a couple games, if its mental  
GloryDayz : 11/23/2013 2:49 pm : link
you let him work through it.

Benching him ruins his confidence, making matter worse, wipes out any chance of re-signing him, no matter how "cheap", not to mention hurts the Giants chances making the playoffs and/or make some noise if they get there.
Someone should go over Nicks' play by play this year in extreme detail  
BlueLou : 11/23/2013 3:17 pm : link
to see how often his "drops" or even missed targets have been at least partly a result of uncalled PI by the guy(s) defending him.

Eli gets all kinda excuses made for his play when it deteriorates but few seem to cut Nicks the same slack. Why?

Nicks' game is darn physical, so I think it's natural that defenders will get away with more PI on him than on other, less physical, WRs. But to my eyes this year it was often blatant, but uncalled.
I agree  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2013 3:34 pm : link
Its pretty clear to me that Nicks is playing not to get hurt. I honestly don't think he wants the ball. He's obviously been a huge disappointment this entire season. I get the argument that he draws the double coverage but I also wonder how true that is at this point in the season.

The other players must also know that Nicks is playing not to get hurt. That can't be good for the team.

So, at this point, whats really to lose by sitting him? Randle isnt a huge drop off from the old Nicks, and he's sometimes a big step up from the current Nicks. I know he's not as good as Nicks when Nicks was great, but Nicks hasn't been great this season. Honestly, I think the Giants really mishandled the Nicks situation.
Can't help to think  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/23/2013 4:01 pm : link
What kind of year Hixon could have had this yea for the Giants if he were still here.

I know he's not doing much in Carolina but that's a diff team that doesn't know how to utilize him


I feel like he's due for a breakout game  
mattnyg05 : 11/23/2013 4:03 pm : link
however, doesn't everyone realize there will be gale force winds tomorrow? How exactly are we going to throw the ball when we barely could against Oakland with the wind at half the speed? I think we're going to have to throw short and run the ball. Unfortunately.
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Named Later : 11/23/2013 4:20 pm : link
I think John Lynch thought he was referring to was Akiem Hicks of the Saints, not Hakeem Nicks of the Giants.

Lynch is easily confused these days....too many tackles leading with the helmet.
Is this the same  
HAW HAW HAW It's GARY SHAW : 11/23/2013 6:49 pm : link
dirty playing John Lynch who should have been benched 3 years prior playing for the Donkeys on name alone?
4 wr set  
SBlue46 : 11/23/2013 6:59 pm : link
Should be....
Murphy and Randle...on outside
And 80 and 88 in slot...
Cruz and nicks are possession
Big play after catch guys.. not
Speed guys...randle and murphy
Can go deep...while 80 and 88
Get doubled..throw Murphy a
Couple deep routes...he's on a 1
Year contract and hasnt played
"Benching" in the context of that article and even Lynch's quotes  
Riggies : 11/23/2013 7:30 pm : link
just means he's demoted to third WR, not he's-never-going-to-play-land, where Murphy and Jernigan are ahead of him.

Randle, even with his on/off issues with mentally grasping the offense, appears to be the better player of the two right now and he's the future for this team. This team won't do it, but a more... let's say cold team absolutely would strongly consider promoting him to "starter" snaps very soon, if not already.
RE: as was mentioned here a few days ago  
81_Great_Dane : 11/23/2013 8:41 pm : link
In comment 11353555 fame56 said:
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there is more to this than we are being allowed to know..whether its an undisclosed injury, an off the field personal matter, or anxiety over his pending free agency and contract status, or a falling out with eli, there is something else at play here

we'll likely get more insight at the end of the season or during the off season

I think so too.
BULLCRAP - we still do not  
OldPolack : 11/23/2013 9:07 pm : link
throw short passes - its Killdrive and Killdrive Jr.
RE: as was mentioned here a few days ago  
shabu : 11/23/2013 9:53 pm : link
In comment 11353555 fame56 said:
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there is more to this than we are being allowed to know..whether its an undisclosed injury, an off the field personal matter, or anxiety over his pending free agency and contract status, or a falling out with eli, there is something else at play here

we'll likely get more insight at the end of the season or during the off season


/agree
Nicks is always Nicked  
Blue Beast : 11/24/2013 8:54 am : link
10 games into the season and JPP has more TD's than Nicks!! The only reason I wouldnt bench him is because Louis Murphy and Jernigan both are a bust. JR fucked up by not keeping Hixon!!!
RE: Nicks is always Nicked  
Jimmy Googs : 11/24/2013 9:00 am : link
In comment 11354511 Blue Beast said:
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10 games into the season and JPP has more TD's than Nicks!! The only reason I wouldnt bench him is because Louis Murphy and Jernigan both are a bust. JR fucked up by not keeping Hixon!!!


Jernigans - 8 catches
Murphy - 1 catch
Hixon - 3 catches

I always though Hixon was a gamer too but it would not have made any difference.
Nicks is a head case  
Blue Beast : 11/24/2013 9:04 am : link
I wish we still had Hixox!!
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