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Eli Manning has 20 interceptions

Route 9 in LEH : 12/8/2013 7:40 pm
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1 million for each INT.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 12/8/2013 7:41 pm : link
Seriously though, he needs to play better.

You can't defend this year. At all.
A bad offensive line, overrated receivers,  
Exit 172 : 12/8/2013 7:41 pm : link
a failed offensive system, and bad decisions and throwing mechanics are what make 20 interceptions in 13 games happen.
He's been awful this year..  
Sean in PA : 12/8/2013 7:42 pm : link
but even in his best season, he was a high INT guy.
At least 15 are on targets to Louis Murphy, which is odd because  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 12/8/2013 7:42 pm : link
Murphy has only played 17 plays this year.
All "miscommunications"  
jeff57 : 12/8/2013 7:43 pm : link
None his fault.
keep in mind  
eleven : 12/8/2013 7:44 pm : link
Although I'm sure its all coincidence, he leads the league in qb hits, tipped passes, and drops. He hasn't played great but the team hasnt either.
He's been awful since mid-last year.  
Riggies : 12/8/2013 7:45 pm : link
I think I'm just going to pretend he and the rest of the offensive players are trying to over-throw Gilbride in "silent" protest with their terrible play.

Sadly, though, they will not succeed.
To be fair  
JoshB : 12/8/2013 7:45 pm : link
Most interceptions were to the player that was running the routes that the receiver was supposed to, so technically they should be complete passes
He's definitely not  
kmed : 12/8/2013 7:46 pm : link
elite this year. I'm confident in him moving forward, but he's had a terrible year. Below average qb this season.
3rd time in his career.  
nygiants1114 : 12/8/2013 7:46 pm : link
He has to be making and counting against the cap at a 12-14 million rate. Not 20+. If he wants to continue to make 20+ million, i would move on-let him try to find that deal on the market.
He's been FUCKING ATROCIOUS  
95cobraguy : 12/8/2013 7:47 pm : link
this year
RE: A bad offensive line, overrated receivers,  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 7:49 pm : link
In comment 11382992 Exit 172 said:
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a failed offensive system, and bad decisions and throwing mechanics are what make 20 interceptions in 13 games happen.


This. FTW.
I'm fine trying a new system  
MetsAreBack : 12/8/2013 7:52 pm : link
this one only won us two superbowls... clearly it sucks.

In any event when we simplify the playbook next year i look forward to greatness.

It's not me... its everyone else.

To Eli's credit at least, he isnt out there making all the incredible excuses depz makes on a weekly basis for him
Never, never  
Blue Meanie : 12/8/2013 7:54 pm : link
speak the truth about Eli if negative...
Only if Cruz  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 7:54 pm : link
was a top 5 WR, that would solve his problems...

Right, MaB?
When did i say Cruz was top 5?  
MetsAreBack : 12/8/2013 7:56 pm : link

With that said, do i belive an elite QB could make Cruz top 5? Yes, yes I do.
haha  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 7:57 pm : link
retract a statement. Your forte.

I think since Cruz has been bottled up by scrub CBs and LBs the last few weeks, I think he could be top 5 too, say if DEs and DTs covered him.
QB coach...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 12/8/2013 7:57 pm : link
stealing his pay check. Grand larceny
He gets one more season  
Sammo284 : 12/8/2013 8:01 pm : link
If this nonsense continues, he should be cut and we move on with a clear turnover. He'll be approaching 34 at that point.
Eli Manning was absolutely terrible in this game. But let's look  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 12/8/2013 8:03 pm : link
at the overall issues...

- James Brewer is not a professional football player
- David Diehl is no longer a professional football player
- Will Beatty is playing worse than any Giants I've ever seen after getting a contract extension
- Kevin Boothe is serviceable on his best days, mediocre the majority of them
- Justin Pugh is good.

The Giants have 1 offensive lineman playing at an average level. They have a system that requires WRs to read the defense and often leads to "miscommunication", especially with younger/inexperienced players. And Eli's always thrown a lot of picks, even when he was in college. Plus, they cannot run the football at all.

However, I'm very confident a new coaching staff could turn Eli around. Look at Phillip Rivers as the prime example. People were killing him last season and now he's playing great with nearly the same exact collection of players around him. The Giants need to improve the o-line, but there's other talented players around the QB.
It's really, really  
LPete : 12/8/2013 8:03 pm : link
disappointing. And totally inexcusable.
Cruz doesn't even need an elite QB.  
GiantFilthy : 12/8/2013 8:07 pm : link
Just one that knows how to lead a receiver.
RE: Cruz doesn't even need an elite QB.  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 8:08 pm : link
In comment 11383107 GiantFilthy said:
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Just one that knows how to lead a receiver.


Cruz has been awful the last 5-6 weeks. If you cant get open against LBs and scrub CBs - you cant blame the QB.
I'm not sure its a retractment  
MetsAreBack : 12/8/2013 8:09 pm : link
you're just looking to spin something that's not there.

When the QB plays awful football... the WRs suffer. Look at Larry Fitzgerald. Look at Dwayne Bowe in recent seasons.

Nicks and Cruz have had down years... in large part because Eli has had the worst season of his career.

I do hope Eli makes worth his contract next year... trust me i do. I dont like Losing any more than anyone else... but another season of this QB play? Would be time to start over...
Cruz has struggled to beat LBs lately.  
Riggies : 12/8/2013 8:12 pm : link
And his fumble was the single worst play/mistake of the Dallas game.

I'm not remotely blaming him for Eli's struggles and he's not been close to the worst offender amongs the pass catchers on this team, but he shouldn't get a pass anymore either. He's not really played well since the beginning of the season.
block for Eli and  
Nick from Goa : 12/8/2013 8:13 pm : link
all will be well.
RE: I'm not sure its a retractment  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 8:13 pm : link
In comment 11383114 MetsAreBack said:
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you're just looking to spin something that's not there.

When the QB plays awful football... the WRs suffer. Look at Larry Fitzgerald. Look at Dwayne Bowe in recent seasons.

Nicks and Cruz have had down years... in large part because Eli has had the worst season of his career.

I do hope Eli makes worth his contract next year... trust me i do. I dont like Losing any more than anyone else... but another season of this QB play? Would be time to start over...


See this is what I cant understand or fathom from people who actually have knowledge of sports.

Has Eli been good this year? Of course not. Its been his worst year since his rookie year. I think its more mental than physical. He's a little shell shocked from the bad OLine and rough start. I do not disagree he needs to be beter. He has too.

But to say Nicks and Cruz have suffered because of his play. Why cant Eli suffer from THEIR play. I have pointed out on NUMEROUS occasions that Cruz has not been able to beat double teams. He got owned by Orlando Scandrick. He couldnt break free from Perry f'n Riley last week in which he had a TD. He has dropped a few TDs this year as well. Obviously, the decline of Nicks has forced team to stopping him.

Now Nicks has been the biggest disappointment of the team. Today was probably one of his best games since week 1-2. However, he has quit on routes, he is not getting any spearation, he has dropped a ton of passes, and he is not making plays whatsoever.

Its been a total shitshow b/w Eli, Nicks, and Cruz this year. Throw in the inconsistent play of Randle, and its a total shitshow. But placing the blame on Eli for Cruz/Nicks number is such a cop out. They all have disappointed.
I could probably take that if he had  
Simms11 : 12/8/2013 8:19 pm : link
35 TDs to go along with it though.
Cruz is going to hit 80+ receptions  
GiantFanInTX : 12/8/2013 8:23 pm : link
and break 1000 yards receiving. That hardly makes him "shit" or "overrated". Especially given the kind of season our offense has had.
RE: Cruz is going to hit 80+ receptions  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 8:24 pm : link
In comment 11383201 GiantFanInTX said:
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and break 1000 yards receiving. That hardly makes him "shit" or "overrated". Especially given the kind of season our offense has had.


He has 1 TD in 12 games. I wouldnt call him overrated or shit. Ill call it disappointing though.
Eli has the most fluke interceptions I've ever seen  
Spark Em Up 22 : 12/8/2013 8:25 pm : link
ridiculous tipped balls that stay in the air forever or get deflected right into the defenders hands. it's really crazy
Why even bother  
AnishPatel : 12/8/2013 8:30 pm : link
throwing a timing route or back shoulder to Murphy Jr.? He is god awful!! That's two picks intended to LM. I am starting to dislike Randle as well. Fucking guy is a walking turnover. Nicks is invisible and Myers has to learn to come back to the ball. This offense is god awful.
Anish  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 8:32 pm : link
want a fun stat?

Lous Murphy has been thrown too 5 times this year, 3 of the plays have resulted in turnovers. (2 INTs and a fumble loss).
Hahaha  
AnishPatel : 12/8/2013 8:34 pm : link
Fumble? Hmm what game was that? Eagles?
Carolina.  
Riggies : 12/8/2013 8:35 pm : link
They were heading down the field, probably going to avoid being shut out, and Murphy fumbled away the drive.
For 20 million against the cap  
HomerJones45 : 12/8/2013 8:56 pm : link
Mr. Elite shouldn't be playing like Brandon Weedon. There is no offensive system on earth that can survive poor decisions with the football, skittishness in the pocket and poor passing.
I think we can all put our agendas aside  
djm : 12/8/2013 9:04 pm : link
And agree that Wrs can help qbs look good and qbs can make Wrs look good. And both the Wrs and the qbs and the Rbs need the oline to block. And let's get even crazier and say that the skill players and QB can sometimes even make the OL look good.

No one is helping anyone look good on this team. The team has little to no room for error. In 2011 the OL wasn't great but it was just good enough to allow Eli and the skill players to flourish. This year the OL struggled and the skill players are a little less explosive probably and Eli is getting hit more... It's just off. One thing hasn't changed though, the offense still turns it over a ton. That's the only constant with this regime.
We have a problem with Eli  
jcn56 : 12/8/2013 9:05 pm : link
we need to extend him for the cap space, but how do you extend him after a year like this? What will his contract expectations be?

Honestly, he should try to find something team friendly just to keep from getting himself killed back there, take a bit less and have them pick up a guard with the savings.
RE: I think we can all put our agendas aside  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 9:06 pm : link
In comment 11383446 djm said:
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And agree that Wrs can help qbs look good and qbs can make Wrs look good. And both the Wrs and the qbs and the Rbs need the oline to block. And let's get even crazier and say that the skill players and QB can sometimes even make the OL look good.

No one is helping anyone look good on this team. The team has little to no room for error. In 2011 the OL wasn't great but it was just good enough to allow Eli and the skill players to flourish. This year the OL struggled and the skill players are a little less explosive probably and Eli is getting hit more... It's just off. One thing hasn't changed though, the offense still turns it over a ton. That's the only constant with this regime.


Good post.
RE: I think we can all put our agendas aside  
jcn56 : 12/8/2013 9:10 pm : link
In comment 11383446 djm said:
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And agree that Wrs can help qbs look good and qbs can make Wrs look good. And both the Wrs and the qbs and the Rbs need the oline to block. And let's get even crazier and say that the skill players and QB can sometimes even make the OL look good.

No one is helping anyone look good on this team. The team has little to no room for error. In 2011 the OL wasn't great but it was just good enough to allow Eli and the skill players to flourish. This year the OL struggled and the skill players are a little less explosive probably and Eli is getting hit more... It's just off. One thing hasn't changed though, the offense still turns it over a ton. That's the only constant with this regime.


I don't disagree with this in principle, and I'm one of Eli's biggest supporters, HOWEVER - he's the top paid guy on the squad and the expectations on him are rightfully greater than everyone else, and he simply hasn't delivered on those expectations this year. Not that all those reasons for underperformance aren't valid, but he's never risen above and carried the team when needed this season. It might sound unfair to expect it of him (and he has done it in the past, we don't win XLVI otherwise), but when you're paid at that rate then expectations tend to border on unrealistic.
Right now Eli is one of the worst QB's in the league  
mamamia : 12/8/2013 9:16 pm : link
bad decision making ,poor accuracy, forcing passes and slow on his feet. I see a lot of younger better guys coming around and leaving Eli in the dust. The league is changing and you better be deadly accurate and make quick wise choices if you are going to be a statue back there.
20 is not bad  
bignygfan : 12/8/2013 9:19 pm : link
he had 25 that one season so I expect this number to increase exponentially.

Stop defending Eli! He is a straight-up bum who has turned into one of the most sackables QB in the league.
The only laugh I had today,  
kevken60 : 12/8/2013 9:19 pm : link
was when my brother said it's not Eli's fault, the receivers are running their routes too fast. smh
and that's the maddening thing about Manning  
HomerJones45 : 12/8/2013 9:21 pm : link
he is as streaky as it gets. There will be runs of games where he looks like the best qb in the league and other runs when he looks like Brandon Weedon. He's tough to figure.

I don't think there is much choice- you have to extend him to get room under the cap; we can't keep operating like this, and hope for the best.
Well, I didn't see the 2nd one today  
Matt M. : 12/8/2013 9:34 pm : link
But the 1st one was 100% on Randle.
RE: Well, I didn't see the 2nd one today  
dep026 : 12/8/2013 9:37 pm : link
In comment 11383597 Matt M. said:
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But the 1st one was 100% on Randle.


2nd one was on him. But again, they are down 23 inside 2 minutes. It made no difference.
Matt  
lalalalala : 12/8/2013 9:37 pm : link

yep.

Honestly I'm surprised it's only 20, he was on pace for well... alot. I think 10 after 3 weeks?
His passing rating is in Chad Henne territory  
jeff57 : 12/8/2013 9:43 pm : link
Meaning, near the bottom.
Eli started last year  
deadkurtrulz : 12/8/2013 9:46 pm : link
looking all world for the first six games or so. He was sharp and the ball was on the receiver as soon as they turned their heads. Coming off a SB MVP many Giant fans believed Eli had turned the corner on his previous inconsistencies and had become a top five monster QB. I was one of those people.

Since then he has regressed pitifully. It started the moment Nicks ceased to be an impact WR last year and it has gotten worse as the OL disintegrated this year. Now Eli plays with NO confidence at all. He rarely throws the ball on time and in stride. Everything is late, high, and behind his target. Does not even resemble the QB that started last year.

The OL has to be rebuilt and Eli has to rebuild his reputation. He has been both great and awful in the past. The Giants need to know who he will be going forward.
When people say "on the plays even when Eli has time...",  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 12/8/2013 9:49 pm : link
they need to understand there's a cumulative effect to the hits a QB takes/poor o-line play. The 50% of the time when there's a breakdown seriously affects the other 50% when there isn't. I'm reminded of the game the Giants played at New England in 2011. The Giants were getting constant pressure on Tom Brady. On one play with no one around him and a totally clean pocket, he ducked. There was no one there and he ducked a non-existent pass rusher.

You simply can't separate the plays with and without pressure. QBs start rushing throws and not going through their progressions. It's why rushing the passer is so important.
Sorry but blaming Eli is not allowed fault on BBI  
Blue21 : 12/8/2013 9:56 pm : link
All interceptions are the fault of wide receivers , bad luck, or whatever.
Eli manning  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 12/9/2013 7:36 am : link
= Dave Brown this year
what's really disturbing is  
djm : 12/9/2013 10:16 am : link
this offensive system has been in place for an eternity. IT's not like this is some new system that Eli and WRs are trying to pick up. Everyone should know their place by now. Everyone should know what they are doing by now.

So with that said, maybe the league has figured out the Giants offense and even with the communication breakdowns and occasional fuck ups out of Eli, things are still broken. And no matter how improved the OL and WRs and RBs are in 2014, the offense is still doomed.

Or it could just be the OL was so shaky early on that it shattered the offense's confidence and ability to function, Eli included. The perfect storm of bad OL play, bad injury luck (Brown and Wilson) and bad karma just torpedoed this offense. With a better OL and healthy RB everything goes back to normal in 2014. Back to 400+ pts of offense and the usual high number of turnovers. Not perfect but definitely productive and possibly championship caliber.

Or, Eli is not the same QB with his peak (2008-2011 in the rear view mirror and no matter what this staff or any staff does the Giants are in big trouble.

Take your pick....
djm  
Matt M. : 12/9/2013 11:19 am : link
Eli, Cruz, and Nicks seem to always know where to be. It is the rest of the offense that has issues with making the right reads from the OL with blocking assignments to other receivers and route running.
RE: block for Eli and  
buljos : 12/9/2013 11:25 am : link
In comment 11383141 Nick from Goa said:
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all will be well.


yep... bingo. JR let the line atrophy, and Pugh while good was too little too late. Gotta fix that line.
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