I don't care what anyone says, I like the guy. I love the way he plays QB with fire and emotion. I've got no problems with that at all. Kind of reminds me of Marino a bit.
He may go down as one of the most underrated QBs of this era.
I know it's a long shot but of all the teams in the field, I'd like to see SD win the Chip this season. Great win by them in Denver last night.
And the SD 'D' did another fine job.
PR must be thrilled: KO'd both Mannings in 4 days.
That stuff doesn't really matter to me much. It shouldn't supersede his ability as a player but for whatever reason, it usually does.
The year he threw 20 picks, he also threw for 27 td's and 4600 yards.
Rivers is very, very good qb and underrated.
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because he is such a douchey guy.
If any Giants fan wants to see better QB play change our system. All these QBs are on their 2nd and some on their 3rd system. We still are on our first.
HomerJones45 : 11:06 am
Always this. BBI would have adored Ray Lewis if he was a Giant.
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If he was our guy, you wouldn't think it was "douchy"
HomerJones45 : 11:06 am
Always this. BBI would have adored Ray Lewis if he was a Giant.
Speak for yourself.
That's one thing I really admire about Rivers, brady and Peyton. If your guy fucks up, let them hear it. Not Eli's stupid ass staring and shaking his head. Be vocal about it. After all, they are throwing your ass under the bus, because our system has zero margin for error. A fuck up in our system, will result in an Int. Just look at RR and Murphy this season.
2011- 4624 yds 27 TDs 20 ints 62% comp, sacked 30X
2012- 3606 yds 26 TDs 15 ints 64% comp, sacked 49X
and those were his bad years behind a bad Oline and his PB WR in Vincent Jackson and sproles out of the back field.
The guy is a lot better then he gets credit for.
I can hope a player helps the team and still not like him as an individual.
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Allen ran a post, Rivers threw a flag in the back corner of the endzone. Allen read the defense wrong and ran the wrong route. Mr. Rivers was not happy and didn't mind showing the world.
That's one thing I really admire about Rivers, brady and Peyton. If your guy fucks up, let them hear it. Not Eli's stupid ass staring and shaking his head. Be vocal about it. After all, they are throwing your ass under the bus, because our system has zero margin for error. A fuck up in our system, will result in an Int. Just look at RR and Murphy this season.
Whats the difference between what Rivers does or what Eli does? Rivers yells and screams at his guys when they mess up. Is it different if Eli pulls his guy aside after the play and they try to discuss what happened and fix it? As long as it gets discussed and figured out, why does it matter if they do it by screaming at the guy?
I think he's a good QB, when he played that game against the Pats (2007 AFC Championship game?) with a torn ACL and LdT bailed with a bruise he gained my respect.
I hate the Eli vs Rivers comparisons. But they're natural because of the draft.
And yes I hate that system
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Allen ran a post, Rivers threw a flag in the back corner of the endzone. Allen read the defense wrong and ran the wrong route. Mr. Rivers was not happy and didn't mind showing the world.
That's one thing I really admire about Rivers, brady and Peyton. If your guy fucks up, let them hear it. Not Eli's stupid ass staring and shaking his head. Be vocal about it. After all, they are throwing your ass under the bus, because our system has zero margin for error. A fuck up in our system, will result in an Int. Just look at RR and Murphy this season.
Whats the difference between what Rivers does or what Eli does? Rivers yells and screams at his guys when they mess up. Is it different if Eli pulls his guy aside after the play and they try to discuss what happened and fix it? As long as it gets discussed and figured out, why does it matter if they do it by screaming at the guy?
Is it effective when Eli does it? Has this been a 1 time issue in which Eli discusses it and the problem is rectified? No, this stuff has been happening over and over and over again. Maybe his way of dealing with this issue isn't getting through. That's the issue, it's not being figured out because it's been happening for years now.
People don't like him because he is an asshole and hasn't won anything. Assholes who win are still respected, but assholes who lose are not. He has had some absolutely ridiculously fantastic games against good teams this year. But he didn't play the same way against teams they should have beaten. They may still not even make the playoffs.
Personally, I hate the guy. I thank God he isn't a Giant. I can't stand people who constantly yell at their team mates for making mistakes. Brady (and most QB's) lose it once in awhile but Rivers is always doing it. Against the Giants there were two times you could clearly see him yelling at somebody on TV. These guys are professionals, they don't need a player to yell at them like they are little boys. Nobody yells at him when he misses a throw.
He was terrible last year and below average the year before. I don't think he is under-rated because he has gotten tons of respect this year and will continue to do so if he continues to play this way.
Take that dep!
Terrible may have been an over-statement, but he wasn't good. I watched them play a number of games last year and even in the beginning of the year I was shocked at how much better he was. He looks like a different player and the Rivers of old.
That's because you're a bad Giants fan from the South that thinks all of the offense's problems are because of Eli and that the Giants should cut him and start Nassib.
Hater.
So true.
So, while I acknowledge Rivers has better year over year regular season stats, I won't acknowledge (or agree) that he's a better QB.
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Don't feel like getting all stat crazy again. Lets just say Rivers' horrible years would be very good Eli years.
That's because you're a bad Giants fan from the South that thinks all of the offense's problems are because of Eli and that the Giants should cut him and start Nassib.
Hater.
SO WHAT IF I DO?! I just wish Eli would get caught jerking it in front of a 16 year old girl ala LT, who Greg wouldn't want on this team, so we can move on.
So, while I acknowledge Rivers has better year over year regular season stats, I won't acknowledge (or agree) that he's a better QB.
Could be beacuase Rivers didn't start right away maybe?
But agree with the SB MVP's and rings. I wouldn't trade Eli for anyone.
Thinking that Rivers is better and wanting Eli as your starter aren't mutually exclusive, as some like the belive.
When we constantly harp on our system as being a big reason for Eli not having great numbers, why did Mark Brunell look so good in Jacksonville? This is not to say that he was a better QB than Manning, but I don't always understand why the blame always goes to the system, and not the QB.
I still maintain that Eli could enjoy the same type of resurgence in a different type of system. But Rivers is a really good QB and there's nothing wrong in admitting that.
When is the last time you asked a hooker for ID? Jeez.
So, while I acknowledge Rivers has better year over year regular season stats, I won't acknowledge (or agree) that he's a better QB.
If Rivers doesn't change a thing from his career average, by the time he has played as many games as Eli has he will easily have more yards and TDs. Not as many rings though.
I don't discount the fact Eli's career numbers are higher than Rivers, for any reason.
And when stats are evaluated for things like the HOF, etc I don't think it will be relevant to the voters.
Until Rivers wins a championship - or at least sniffs one - he'll always be the other guy from that draft. He's a very good QB, and has been richly rewarded for his play. Same with Romo. Very successful guys. They just have a glaring hole in their resumes. Doesn't make them losers or douches.
In short, it's not the system, it's the personnel. Better receivers, better pass pro.
two of his starting receivers from 2012 were sent to the bench this season and they added Danny Woodhead with 400 yards rushing, 66 receptions and 8 td's. Rivers has also only been sacked 26 times this year.
You guys spend too much time listening to talking heads prattle on about systems.
You guys need to learn some balance. Yeah he will definitely get at a teammate if they srew up, but that's how he leads, but he also encourages and I've seen him on many occassions congratulate his teammates when they make plays. He plays with his emotions on his sleeve, so what? There's more then one way to lead and that's his personality and it's genuine. His teammates seem to sespond well to him so I don't have an issue with him.
Usually around the same time they are trying to prove that Brees isn't all that good because of domes.
Scratch that.
It's been said ever since BBI realized Rivers is a really good QB.
I can see if I said the Boyz or Eagles or even SF...but SD???
Why???....becuase of a trade back in 04?...Grow up.
Who are you taking?
AFC West was trash for a long time.
And the "Rivers implosion in NY" thing.. I don't think that's a myth at all. People forget the beating Eli took in the media. He is so even keeled, that's why he can deal with the NYC Media. Rivers would get eaten alive.
Love Eli and recognize him as the greatest QB we have ever had, but Rivers is still a better QB.
When debating Rivers, Eli and Ben recently with a pats fan it was pretty clear Eli is the only one of the three to actually play better in the playoffs versus the regular season. He didn't do it in every playoff game, but his overall playoff numbers are better than both of the others and better than his regular season numbers.
I love this time limit.
Love Eli and recognize him as the greatest QB we have ever had, but Rivers is still a better QB.
Filthy for me that's hard to say because they play in Would different systems. Would Eli have been better in their system and Rivers in ours? Who knows? Overall, I think Eli has done as good as he could in our respective system. I sure would have loved to see how Rivers, or even Ben would do in our system.
I'd have a much harder time deciding between Eli and Ben than I would Eli/Rivers.
Rivers from the beginning had Tomlinson, Gates, Sproles, VJ, Turner, etc. Additionally the Chargers defenses were ranked either similarly or better than the Giants in terms of yards, scoring, etc.
I hate arguments like this. Rivers is a great QB, Eli is a great QB. there is no statement that isn't an opinion when comparing them in terms of who is better.
I'd like Eli to get a chance in a QB/WR friendly system.
To be fair, I also wanted Eli in 2004. And Rapelessburger. And keep Kerry and draft Gallery. Also Sean Taylor. I'm usually not very sure of myself come draft time.
Mainly Sean Taylor.
I'd have a much harder time deciding between Eli and Ben than I would Eli/Rivers.
I agree Arc. However, within our specific system, I'd easily go Eli. Ben would be broken long ago. No dink and dunking here for Big Ben. Drop back with 5 and 7 step concepts and make plays. If he holds the ball to long he would probably lead the league in QB sacks. Eli gets beat and still gets up. I shutter to think how Ben would do in this system. If I were to guess I'd say it would be similar to Kurt Warner. We'd be screaming, throw the fucking ball! Stop holding it for 283918239 hours.
I'd like Eli to get a chance in a QB/WR friendly system.
You talkin' one of them crazy systems where the QB knows where the receiver will run before he runs there? They still make those?
You talkin' one of them crazy systems where the QB knows where the receiver will run before he runs there? They still make those?
Well, something like that. It would be fun again to see the offense going up & down the field and actually scoring a TD. How much long is our field goal kicker's toes going to hold up?
San Diego Chargers Quarterback Philip Rivers is recognized for his contributions and commitment to San Diego's abused, neglected and abandoned children. Through his foundation, Rivers of Hope, and his partnerships with San Diego County Adoptions and the Heart Gallery, Rivers has helped our county's youth find loving homes, hope and their own sense of self-worth.
To be fair, I also wanted Eli in 2004. And Rapelessburger. And keep Kerry and draft Gallery. Also Sean Taylor. I'm usually not very sure of myself come draft time.
Mainly Sean Taylor.
See I am sure Eli would be different in another system if we never drafted him. Our system is a BOOM or Bust system with ZERO margin for error. You fuck up it results in an INT, if someone else fucks up, YOU end up with in Int. Factor in missed passes and poor decisions, you guessed it.. More ints. Factor in odd shit like deflections off feet, hands, head and what not, and you get.. INTs.
I think Eli in another system would have been better. People wouldn't say he would be inconsistent. He was a vocal leader going back to Ole Miss from what I remember with video of him talking about players on the sideline. I remember I liked that about him. I still wanted Taylor, but I admired that about Eli. I think he would have been better stat wise in another system. Does that translate to 2 Sbs? Obviously, not sure, but I think he would have been much better stat wise.
To me, Ben can probably survive a bad OL better than Eli though. If Eli can't get adequate protection, we're going to have problems.. as we've seen this year.
In short, it's not the system, it's the personnel. Better receivers, better pass pro.
two of his starting receivers from 2012 were sent to the bench this season and they added Danny Woodhead with 400 yards rushing, 66 receptions and 8 td's. Rivers has also only been sacked 26 times this year.
You guys spend too much time listening to talking heads prattle on about systems.
Stats don't tell the whole story, especially if you're not comparing those stats to previous seasons. I watched him last year, numerous times and he was not impressive at all. He looked way off. The eye-test is the most important to me and he did not pass it, not from my viewing. Even moreso, if you compare those stats to other years, he was clearly off. I'm not saying he isn't a good QB and not saying he was the worst QB ever last year, but he was not playing well. I was shocked at how much he improved from last year to this year.
All 3 can make all the throws.
Giant...great post...so much for Rivers being a douche.
Perceptions are amazing aren't they?
Kmed, you'd be repping the shit out of that at every possible chance. We used to do that when Hufangel was here with short passes and screens. We actually knew how to ran screens. We had variety of TE, WR and RB screens. That's one element of Hufangel's play calling I liked.
I think with short passes comes quick decision making. Getting the ball very quick out of your hands. That's what Rivers is doing to the league leading 70% completion percentage. If we installed that and practiced it at every turn, I would like that.
Quick dink and dunk system. Decision making is very quick. If a guy is thrown a 5 yard hitch he actually would be in the right spot for it. It would be nice to see that and when we are in the red zone, give Eli a chance to pile up TDs. High completion %, and Td count would yield a high QB rating.
What I don't like....how he short arms the ball on his a ton of his throws.
If you watch the game last night, defense, and their ball control run game, won that game for the Chargers. Rivers played decently, but let's not make it out to be he dominated last night.
Perception versus reality.
The one TD throw in the corner was nice, and he also made a nice pass down the sideline to WR who was well covered. Other than that, I was impressed with the SD defense and how they controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball - and ran the ball effectively.
I'm assuming this thread started because the Chargers won, and someone wants to compare Eli and PR.
Peyton throws a shit ton of passes to RB's or passes to WR's running quick underneath routes, too. They were averaging close to 40 points per game going into last night and are on pace to break the scoring record. Who cares how you do it? You don't have to only throw deep to be productive or good or even do it most of the time.
GiantFilthy : 11:48 am : link : reply
Usually around the same time they are trying to prove that Brees isn't all that good
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he must lead the league in dump-offs to running backs. him or drew brees.
Close. Real close.
One of Eli's biggest strengths when he's playing well is that he is excellent at making passes outside the hashes and near the sideline. Back in 2011, both Cossell and Michael Irvin mentioned how Eli was arguably the best QB in the league at throwing outside the hashes. That has a lot to do with Eli being a great player in comeback situations, defenses willingly give you the middle during that time to protect the sidelines so you eat clock.
Over the years Rivers has been absolutely awful in comeback situations because he isn't good at throwing the ball outside the hashes down the field. He doesn't get enough MPH to make those tough throws. It's a huge negative for him. Rivers has more touch than Eli and is more consistently accurate, so he definitely has some plusses over Eli. But overall I'm glad we have Eli and I expect him to bounce back much like Rivers did this year.
Stafford made not one but two of the best throws of that variety I've seen in a long time in the same game during that comeback against Dallas.
If Phillips was on our team their wouldn't even be a discussion. We'd actually be defending him from media and fan hate. Book it.
So while Rivers' poor performance in late and close situations is a fact, I don't know how much of that has to do with Norv and how much of it has to do with Rivers. I do think some of it was Norv's style, but based on the eye test it does seem like a lot of it had to do with Rivers being a much better passer between the hashes than outside them.
One of Eli's biggest strengths when he's playing well is that he is excellent at making passes outside the hashes and near the sideline. Back in 2011, both Cossell and Michael Irvin mentioned how Eli was arguably the best QB in the league at throwing outside the hashes. That has a lot to do with Eli being a great player in comeback situations, defenses willingly give you the middle during that time to protect the sidelines so you eat clock.
Over the years Rivers has been absolutely awful in comeback situations because he isn't good at throwing the ball outside the hashes down the field. He doesn't get enough MPH to make those tough throws. It's a huge negative for him. Rivers has more touch than Eli and is more consistently accurate, so he definitely has some plusses over Eli. But overall I'm glad we have Eli and I expect him to bounce back much like Rivers did this year.
Once again, great post.
You really don't believe he'd root against Ray Lewis if he says so?
I think.
Maybe we overstate the power of the NY media just a tad? Personally, I think his F-you demeanor could very well translate into big games following any kind of demolition by the press.
20-27 185 yds 2 TDs
12-18 163 yds 2TDs vs the Boys
so were these great performances?
Like I said before, a lot of you guys aren't balanced at all.
So if Rivers wasn't great last night neither was Eli's pervormances that were like these. It goes both ways.
There is a big difference playing in a place where nothing is scrutinized to a location where everything is scrutinized.
His playoff numbers are not great. He has thrown an int in every playoff game he has been in
Anyways, Rivers is having a fine mighty year. But unless a few chips fall their way, they will miss the playoffs.... again. So the 3 studs from the 2004 class all might be sitting home, again. And its being more of a theme than a rare occurrence.