I would like to start by saying I am not a arm chair coach or GM like many here that thinks firing the coaching staff will fix everything. I used to be but as the years have passed I have become at least I like to think so a more rational thinker and not jump the gun at the moment.
After reviewing this season as dismal as it has been to date and also taking into consideration the injury bug this team has had all year. I think the blame should lie on Reese and his complete failure to draft quality contributors for this team. I am wondering how much input TC has in regards to drafting players for this team? I am sure he has some input but with JR’s first player available mindset I believe TC’s wants get put aside.
And then you have the BBI mantra IN REESE WE TRUST standpoint. It has been posted and discussed but the complete failure in draft picks is staggering. Other than 2007 he has been a complete failure in the draft with the exception being first round talent.
His first year he inherited one of the best OL’s in the NFL and has since made it a laughing stock and turn style to the QB.
The weakest point in our defense being LB’er and he continues to ignore it and fill it with retreads via FA.
(Side note I pray they resign Beason but have a feeling JR will fuck that up also)
I guess this is my sort of rant but IMO if anyone goes this year it should be Reese. Other than a few first round picks he has failed this organization miserably.
TC and crew should remain other than Quinn he just sucks.
I am interested to hear your thoughts so flame away.
How close these teams are to one another in the salary cap era that a bounce here or there, an officials call, a hot qb or a cheap rookie who makes all-pro can make or break your season?
I don't think fans have any appreciation for just how difficult this all is and how extraordinary it was to win two championships in 5 years.
I don't think Coughlin is walking away either. Again, best you can hope for is a change at the coordinator level. And be careful what you wish for, because if Gilbride is shown the door at 62.....we're liable to end up with Kevin Gilbride Jr calling the same plays as his Dad.
I just look wistfully at the way the CAR & SD offenses have prospered with a change at OC.
2) gambled at rb
3) deferred to couglins desire to keep webster around and diehl
Reese can correct these issues. I don't think he should be fired but he is accountable.
Next year, Bass, Snee, Diehl and Webster all have to go. How much better wouls you fell if brewer and mosley started all year, had gone through growing pains, and were showing signs of being good for next year.
I don't fault resse for the draft picks other then chronically missing on lbers..
How about figuring out what is not working and creating solutions to fix it now, and preventing recurrence?
Way too much focus on finger pointing and placing blame than on solving the problem.
Absolutely sickening.
Does it matter?
IF ownership waits another year on either one of these areas, all the team will be doing next year is competing for the first draft choice in the 2015 draft, and further extending the time required to get this team back to serious contention for another title. This team has declined so far already that they are probably looking at two to three years to get back into serious contention for another title right now.
Ownership can't screw around with this. Eli has some good years left, but if they don't get a good overhaul done this off-season, he will be at the end of his career before they have a competitive team around him again, IF they ever have a competitive team around him again.
I'm sure I'm missing others (David Wilson) but shouldn't a good GM be able to know whose career will be ended early by injury and not draft or sign these guys?
It is childish to suggest that decisions about the Giants' future should in ANY way be made to reward or punish individuals. The only question is, what will allow the Giants to better move forward?
1- The level of scouting/talent evaluation is not what it needs to be. We are not getting enough quality personnel to keep the team playing at the high level all of want
2- Coaching- the coaching staff has not shown the ability to coach these players up in a timely manner, if at all
3-Offensive and defensive systems- we don't have systems that can hide the players' deficiencies. In fact we have systems that accentuate them
4- When we see we're short of talent or someone goes down, because of poor cap management we don't have the money to bring in decent replacements
There are no safety nets in this organizations. One error is just compounded all the way down the line. JMO
By the way, the Giants have made CAP mistakes, no question about it. But, it is alot harder to fix a mistake when you have a franchise QB paid like a franchise QB which sort of lines up with the problems that the Steelers, Packers and Falcons have as well. See what happens to CAP management of the Seahawks, 49ers even the Panthers when their QBs get ready for the mega contracts.
Reese/Coughlin have built a team that can "win games", but I would say they have fallen short over the past 5 years in building a consistently winning team. And that is seen by the fact that we typically hover around a .500 record.
When we have a hot Eli Manning, this team that can "win games" actually becomes playoff/SB material. When we have an average or below average Eli playing, this team really just wins as much as it loses.
This season is really the first team in a while that doesn't win as much as it loses, and I believe its because Eli is having his worst year in a while. In the past, his play could overcome a bad OL, or no running game, or a porous defense. This year he isn't overcoming any of the team's other deficiencies when they arise.
The real State of the Giants...its on Eli...and I hope he plays better next year.
The 2013 Giants didn't look like a very good team in preseason, and proved to be just that. It's not just that the Giants have a poor record, but they've consistently played poorly. They've struggled to win games against other poor teams and have gotten blown out by good ones.
The Giants' problems are systemic, and tinkering around the edges is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. At best, it can only delay the inevitable.
...Are you serious with this, or just trolling? If you're not trolling, you have a lot to be sorrowful about.
Those players got old and no longer justified the room on the salary cap they were taking up.
This team is run well, it will now do its retooling and be back among the elite soon.
Steve Smith
Kenny Phillips
Terrel Thomas
Jonathan Goff
Ahmad Bradshaw
Chris Canty
Chad Jones
Corey Webster
Chris Snee
David Baas
David Wilson
Modest to better decent starters like Kevin Boss and Jake Ballard were big loses too, considering the TE situation this past year.
Even before any of them the (at least slightly before their time) loss/decline of Rich Seubert and Sean O'Hara...
Whether or not Clint Sintim or Travis Beckum could play in the NFL at starter level also was never really seen.
How on earth do you blame Reese or Ross for this?
I don't disagree, but we have enough team weaknesses that cancel out most if not all team strengths. #10...when he is on his game makes this team playoff caliber.
Let's take Seattle, since this week they're the poster child for the best run franchise. They haven't won a SB in the last 8 years. The Giants have won 2 since then, but somehow Seattle is the model organization & Reese sucks. The Pats have much better than a "mediocre" record every year but they haven't won a SB since 2002 & the Giants beat them twice in the SB. Somehow a bunch of Neanderthals think the Pats are a much better run team & Reese sucks. Ask a Pats fan whether they'd be happier w/ what the Giants have done compared to the Pats since 2002.
Winning Super Bowls is what the NFL is all about. Anything short of that is in reality a LOSING SEASON no matter how good, bad or mediocre the 31 other teams' records are.
Instead of just bitching & ranting & raving about how bad Reese is, please tell me what Reese should have done to replace all the old, injured & subpar players Reese either kept or drafted. Please name who they should have drafted each round given who was available at the time the Giants picked each year & which players they should have cut & picked up in FA. Please also do that in order for the team to be under the salary cap every year as well. Then please guarantee that all those alternative players would stay healthy each year. Good luck with that unless you have a crystal ball, & if you had a crystal ball you wouldn't be wasting your time on BBI but would be constantly balling & hanging out w/ a super-model in the Bahamas w/ the billions of $ you'd be worth. I don't think any of that will happen if I were able to wait a million years. It's so much easier to just bitch incessantly.
I suppose someone would have that handle but it would have to be someone who signed on early. And someone wanting to be as direct as possible.
I have never seen you post before but I say well done, sir!
But they probably got their best offensive line play of the Coughlin years. Allowed only 16 sacks versus 46 Giant sacks. Rushed for 137.5 yards per game against 101 by opponents. Passed for 242 yards per game against 209 by opponents. Bradshaw, Jacobs, Nicks, and Manningham all played well.
But what caught my eye was 15 Giant fumbles with 13 of them lost. It's a lot bad luck to lose that many fumbles.
You have to be extremely insightful to post under my handle. Can you bring that type of game?
Reese is no where near as good as In Reese We Trust godhood status. Almost every aspect, FA/draft/cap, is mediocre, with some highs, some lows.
Complicating the whole mess is that the Maras are part of the FO as well, and must shoulder their share of the blame.
It's too simple to say 'forget the past. figure out the problems and fix them'. Obviously, the braintrust has had issues with figuring out problems and/or fixing them.
It's too simple to say 'what would you geniuses have done?'. If any of us had solutions, we'd be sitting in JR's chair. It's far easier to see where others have succeeded or failed.