Giants #1 Pick, Mike Evans?

I think Watkins would provide more for this offense especially if we do move on from this coaching staff in the next year or two (I'm not saying we should or shouldn't). Evans would also add a big receiver that we haven't really had in a long time either. Evans reminds me of Jordy Nelson. Can't go wrong with that. I don't know who Watkins reminds me of but I do like him better than Evans just because of his blazing speed as well as his insane quickness to add to his great hands. Watkins isn't necessarily small either for a receiver with his quicks/speed.

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Man can go! Instant acceleration. It would be hard to out throw this guy, he had to lag on most of his routes not to out run the pass.

I'd go with Kelvin Benjamin, I think he has more potential than Evans. Not sure if he is seclarin though. I think Benjamin or Ebron are much better weapons if your looking for the giants to add a big target. My choice is Khalil Mack though, he will be a better impact player than just about any Offensive talent there in the top 10. Would shore up our front 7 problems well to.

is one of 3 on my short wish list along with Watkins and Mosely for our #1 pick. I prefer Watkins but I don't think he makes it out of the top 10.I know many are saying get an OT but he or Watkins should be the target especially if we lose Nicks. I don't think Randle can step up and be THE guy for us

I think I like Amaro more than Ebron. Amaro is a dude. He can even block.

had now worries throwing Evans a number of obvious jump balls.

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more than Watkins simply because of where Watkins will be taken. I think Evans can be the more effective NFL player and I'd be on board with that pick in a second.

big dude who knows how to go get the ball. I definitely think this offense and Eli could use a big WR like that. As of this moment, he'd be my realistic 1st round pick.

I like Watkins better though. He's one of my favorite WR prospects ever.

Evans is only projected as of now to go a couple of slots lower that Watkins

I have my doubts about if he has the athleticism of someone like Jeffrey. He reminds me more of Reggie Williams. Big target, but I do not see the ability to get separation from CB's and I wonder if he will get enough YAC because DB's will catch him from behind

better than Sammy Watkins. He's such a big body, and would make a perfect red zone target.

Reminds me a little of Plaxico.

He's not as fast as plax though, and that might give some people enough question so he drops a little. but he should also bulk up a little bit too and wind up like 6' 4 - 5" 230 or 240.

Nothing against Sammy Watkins, I think he'll be fine, but the Julio Jones, AJ Green, Calvin Johnson prototype is just taller than 6' 1" like Watkins. None of those guys are shorter than 6' 3".

but the Giants might not have a shot at him...

really hope we add a couple interior Olinemen in free agency so we can go in this direction. I don't want the Giants to limit themselves with their 1st round pick, and if they don't add any quality guys, they may feel forced to go Oline.

to a Torrey Smith/Percy Harvin hybrid. I think that's a solid comparison for the type of player Watkins can be.

The fact that he isn't 6'3" or taller is definitely a negative. He's not going to be an AJ Green/Dez Bryant/Julio Jones type who is a monster at going up and getting the ball in jump ball situations, but he has excellent hands and gets separation. He's also strong enough to work the middle of the field and he is not only a deep ball threat but a potential YAC machine with his quickness and speed.

Seriously doubt we go WR in first two days. Eli cannot complete a pass on his back...we have seen this.

There is more than the draft to improve our team. As stated above I expect us to sign at least two OL in FA and there should also be better value of an interior OL in the second round. Forcing a first round pick on a need is a great way to stay at the top of the draft every year.

you don't know Reese very well. Besides, as I mentioned, free agency will determine a lot, in which direction they may go

and let's assume he's right and Torrey Smith is good, but IMO not a top 10 pick.

a Harvin clone I'd say is (health issues aside), but I don't see Watkins that versatile where he gets 5 carries a a game in addition to the WR tgargets. Giants offense just doesn't do that.

So if that's what Watkins is, I'd only say he makes sense if the Giants trade down.

My guess is the Giants shore up the o-line in free agency. And who knows, they know more about Snee than us, maybe they think his injuries are not career threatening and Bass comes back.

I'd love to be able to go WR/TE with this first pick or pass rushing DE (which seems to be lacking in this draft near the top).

In comment 11394286 johnnyb said:

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Seriously doubt we go WR in first two days. Eli cannot complete a pass on his back...we have seen this.

Overall the Giants biggest issue is not a need at a particular position, but an overall lack of talent. We need the best people regardless of position. Use Free Agency to fill our needs especially at positions like OL rare rookies rarely come in and be a difference maker in the first year

Of player between Evans and Watkins. As far as play making ability go, Watkins seems a sure fire pick. I agree with another poster who said it seemed Evans didn't have clear seperation, will he have trouble at the next level? Definitely a big target.

For me, in round 1, Watkins seems like the only one worth a WR pick for NYG. If not, prefer CB or OL.

aint gonna mean a damn thing if eli is on the ground 2 seconds after the ball is snapped because noone can pass block or pick up a blita

the way this offense played this year and you guys are still thinking w/r with no 1 pick???

offensive line, offensive line, offensive line

stop dreaming and get realistic...we have eli for 4-6 more years of high productivity, drastically less than that if we cant protect him

Dennard is probably out of our reach but from that game against Ohio St. I saw he was flat out awesome. I have to watch more of him but that would definitely be a player I hope we have a shot at.

but how does Mike Evans catch 7 passes for 259 yards against Alabama without getting separation?

This is one game, but the separation was here, not all of this was jump balls, plus the 95-yd TD had about 65 yards YAC.
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please read. Not one person said we can have the luxury of passing to our WR without addressing the OL. Why do so many people feel the only way to fix a team is to use it's first round pick to do so. You do realize if we use our first round pick on an OL it will be an OT and that doesn't really help us out unless you want to move Pugh which is no guarantee of being successful. Beatty is not moving to any other OL spot either. So, how does using a first round pick on an OL help our OL woes?

that most of them just don't grade out that high. Though it's possible someone like Cyril Richardson could go in the first. But many, if not most, OL don't start their first year. Which is why I'm so impressed with Pugh who's not playing badly at all. (I don't think the 2013 was bad at all, the top three picks all look like eventual starters.)

The Giants also could use a stud TE. My opinion is that there isn't one on the roster, If he slid to the 2nd, I like Huskies Austin Seferian-Jenkins very much. Listed at 6'6", 266 and still has plenty of room to grow. Fast enough with very good hands, and should be able to contribute the running game also.

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the couple times I've seen him. Great body control, uses his height to his advantage, but that seminal flaw is a good bit of why Barden never got off the bench.

Either Watkins or Evans. Whichever is available.

than Evans against lesser competition. evans is putting up these stats against the SEC as a sophomore

Some of you are over-stating your scouting abilities IMO- not trying to be a dick.

Comparing Barden to Mike Evans is ridiculous.

everything I read was Watkins being the clear cut #1 guy which I don't agree with.it has been a few weeks though so I guess it's starting to get a lot closer.

In any case, if we have a top 10 pick, I'd love a beast on the Oline, but Evans would be a guy I can live with taking that high.

He's not Barden, but it could be the difference between a good receiver and a great one.

he got off the line plenty against the best players in the country, not the schwag Barden played against.

You can find a flaw with every WR since Calvin Johnson. Evans can be a really good NFL WR, him getting off the line sounds more cliched than anything I've ever seen.

He inflated Manziels stats this year, especially in the Alabama game. Evans was unreal against Bama.

Just think that's the difference with Evans being targeted in the early first and Barden being a late 3rd round pick despite similar size.

In comment 11394255 robbieballs2003 said:

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I think I like Amaro more than Ebron. Amaro is a dude. He can even block.

Ebron is, at worst, an above average blocker. They're both first-round talents, but I prefer Ebron. Big-time talent.

looks like Ramses Barden in those highlights...does he have the explosive athletic ability to be a #1 pick in the first half of the draft?

In comment 11394306 robbieballs2003 said:

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Dennard is probably out of our reach but from that game against Ohio St. I saw he was flat out awesome. I have to watch more of him but that would definitely be a player I hope we have a shot at.

Considering where we'll likely be picking, I don't think Dennard will be out of our reach. I don't think he'll be taken as high as some currently seem to think either. Gilbert should be the first corner off the board, IMO.

In comment 11394252 beatrixkiddo said:

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I'd go with Kelvin Benjamin, I think he has more potential than Evans. Not sure if he is seclarin though. I think Benjamin or Ebron are much better weapons if your looking for the giants to add a big target.

I'm with you. And it's been reported that Benjamin is leaving towards entering the draft.

Leaning, not leaving. Sorry.

He'd be a great addition to our offense. He reminds me of a taller Nicks, when Nicks was at the top of his game.

offensive line is offensive....draft the best OL player you can get your hands on. We need help at all three spots.

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In comment 11394306 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Dennard is probably out of our reach but from that game against Ohio St. I saw he was flat out awesome. I have to watch more of him but that would definitely be a player I hope we have a shot at. Considering where we'll likely be picking, I don't think Dennard will be out of our reach. I don't think he'll be taken as high as some currently seem to think either. Gilbert should be the first corner off the board, IMO.

Personally I like Dennard more, but I can see the argument either way

but in Barden's videos it was with Cal Poly against non-elite competition, Evan's video is against some of the best college has to offer.

you don't think that's enough of a difference?

I thought Barden looked like a sure fire star in his college videos, but obviously he was just bigger and faster than everyone at that level and technique was less important (if at all), Evans can't get away with that IMO.

I see allot of similarities to Nicks

rather have an OL or a CB, but Evans or Benjamin would be OK.

has a theory regarding WRs as "shiny hood ornaments".

"The Shiny Hood Ornament Man Laws tells us that wide receivers are nothing but nice shiny emblems adorning the engine of NFL offenses. We marvel at them as they sparkle and glisten in the autumn sun.

But at the end of the day, Shiny Hood Ornaments don’t make the machine run any better if the man behind the wheel can’t drive.

The foundation of the Shiny Hood Ornament Man Law is that quarterbacks make wide receivers better; wide receivers do not make quarterbacks better – especially if he’s a really bad quarterback.

Yet year after year, NFL coaches, executives and hard-core fans – people who should know more about the sport – foolishly convince themselves that the only thing standing between their third-rate quarterback and the playoffs is a “weapon” at wide receiver.

It pays to keep in mind that wide receivers are really not weapons. They’re targets. Moving targets. But targets just the same.

They’re utterly useless without a real weapon – a quick-triggered, accurate quarterback – to deliver them the ball. More importantly, wide receivers are universally OVERVALUED. Even a great wide receiver touches the ball five or six times a game. Their impact is minimal."

that's only relevant if you don't have confidence in Eli.

whichever,tall and fast.Also an all pro LT FA if there is such a beast available, move Beatty to RT, Pugh to guard.

but I disagree with a lot of that.

First of all, WRs only make 5-6 catches a game so their impact is minimal? That's such a weak statement. Just because a WR only touches the ball 6 times doesn't mean they only impact 6 plays. Great WRs impact every play they're in because they force defenses to account for them.

And QBs are much more important than WRs, I think we all know that. But "WRs don't make QBs better" is a ludicrous statement. Anyone who has ever thrown a football or caught a football knows that this statement makes no sense.

A great WR can't turn a shitty QB into a great QB. But it can turn a below average QB into a good QB, and a good QB into a very good QB.

When we had Plax that alone helped our run game. GB in the playoffs said to help with that then we picked them apart with Plax. In the last Super Bowl Belichick said that Cruz and Nicks would not beat them and he way right. He focused his defenses attention on them and Manningham went to work. Nicks and Cruz had a huge impact and they barely touched the ball towards the end of the game and maybe in the second half if my memory serves me correctly. Saying WRs are only valuable hood ornaments is just ridiculous. I'm not debating the fact that a QB is the most important position on the field nor am I debating the importance of an OL.

What are you talking about? Campbell, Weeden and Hoyer have made Gordon a great player. There is no way that he is making those three look better. Those three QBs were All Pros before Gordon even got to the NFL.

[rolls eyes]

Unfair.

and moving Pugh to guard.. when Pugh has NEVER played guard at all.. and they expect THAT To fix the OL..

You dont have to spend a first round pick on the OL to fix the OL..

Agree wholeheartedly with Osi and Robbie.

Not saying anyone in this draft is like Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones, but they have an enormous impact on their respective offenses. Johnson constantly draws double coverage from opposing secondaries, often providing Stafford with single coverage across the board everywhere else. Megatron is the most valuable player in that offense, not Stafford.

And look at just how much the Falcons' offense fell off a cliff once Julio Jones went out for the season due to injury.

The impact of game-changing receivers like those extends far beyond how many times they touch the ball in a game or are targeted by their quarterback.

This has nothing to do with anything that's been discussed, so I'm only bringing it up since there's some draft talk in this thread.

There's currently a poll on ESPN right now asking which of these quarterbacks will have the best NFL career: Manziel, McCarron, or Winston?

McCarron is leading the poll at 41 and is ahead in 43 of 50 states% Winston, who's at least a Luck-level prospect, is in second at 35%.

It's just a meaningless poll, so who gives a shit? But still...

The third sentence there is completely botched and I have no idea why since I didn't type it like that (percent symbol instead of a period). Oh well.

Advocating moving Pugh to guard but I would consider having him switch positions with Beatty. Look at the 49ers and Hawks. They invest high picks on the OL. Adding skill players at the expense of the OL has ruined what was a good run game and turned our 20 mil per qb shaky.
The Oregon guard would be a perfect fit here.

but even though I liked Watkins better in the highlight reel, he was way more explosive and can return punts, I think Evans would be better for Eli. I think Eli would do better with a WR who could go up and fight for a ball than a speed guy he had to hit in stride.

You're talking to a guy who once thought Joe Jurevicius might be first-round material. I like big receivers with long arms.

But to me, there is a boom-bust factor with some of these guys (the Mike Williams comparison above) who don't have that sudden-movement, big-play explosiveness.

I haven't seen that much of Evans...but in the two links above, I see a big receiver who isn't very sudden or quick. That doesn't mean he can't be good, but it's a red flag to me.

like the idea of moving Pugh to guard. Pugh is not a big physical mauler. If you move him, it's only to left tackle.

is developing into a very good tackle. So why would you move him to a position that is easier to fill?

In comment 11394514 Eric from BBI said:

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is developing into a very good tackle. So why would you move him to a position that is easier to fill?

Agreed. People are focusing too much on arm length but are overlooking that Pugh recognizes that and has adjusted accordingly

Mike Evans is gone, the Raiders take him before he come close to the Giants. That's good news, I know that at this time most people won't agree with my pick but you will in time.

1). Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford. JPP is a concern but I believe that JPP will be back and with Murphy I hate to be a QB playing against the Giants.

Yes, I understand the need for more offensive help but I just feel the Giants will go after the best player on the board and not a need pick with the first round pick.


David Yankey or Antonio Richardson in round two.

I totally focused on him last week. He was solid, but not an impact player IMO. I would not take him with a top 12 pick

GOOD GAME AGAINST BAMA MEANS NOTHING BAMA DOESN"T HAVE A GOOD SECONDARY AND ALSO EVANS IS SLOW, NO ACCELERATION, AND Won'T GET SEPERATION IN THE NFL. STAY AWAY.

because that was his only good game. Go look at his Auburn performance or Arkansas.

get a nice w/r, te, or r/b and see what they can do with eli running for his life or on the ground before they get open

or lets see what a nice r/b can do when he's hit in the backfield almost as soon as eli hands him the ball

we need 2, two, TOO, guards and a center

and btw, dallas did just fine switching tyron smith from the right side, (his rookie year), to the left side, where he's becoming a very good left tackle

but, hell, we dont need to look for offensive linemen in the draft...I guess I've been watching different giants games this year

some of us are waiting to see what happens in free agency to see if the need remains at draft time

Are you that dense? Our first round pick isn't going to cure all of our issues. When you draft solely for need you find yourself constantly drafting early in the draft or, even worse, in the middle of the draft.

Our primary need is along the interior OL. Beatty is no great shakes but he is not cuttable and he would probably play better if he had good LG play and a TE who could help on occasion. Cyril Richardson is a fine OG but he may not be a very good value where we're picking. If Yankey looks likely to be available in Round 2 it might make more sense to address something else - and we could stand to upgrade talent at almost every position - and address the OL in Round 2 or Round 3.

and most of the reason why we are where we are and why eli has had a terrible year and we cant run the ball

and we dont just need one person to help us...we need 3, maybe 4..where ya gonna get em?

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and most of the reason why we are where we are and why eli has had a terrible year and we cant run the ball and we dont just need one person to help us...we need 3, maybe 4..where ya gonna get em?

This team has a lot of needs for why we are the way we are. Lack of a pass rush, terrible coverage, horrible TE play. There are very few positions on this team where we can say that if BPA is at that position we can pass on him with an early pick (DT and QB are the only ones that come to mind)

I didn't hear anything about Benjamin heading towards the draft, last I hears he was excited to tearing it up with Winston for awhile. I guess he changed his mind. I think he will be a much better player than Evans, honestly he might be the best WR in this draft if he does declare. He has a lot of upside, he is like a poor mans Calvin Johnson, but he has plenty of room to grow a lot more as a player.

That being said I want him or Ebron if the Giants go Offense in the first. We do need OL help more than anything, but I don't see any Guards in this draft really worthy of a 1st where we will be picking. The second and third will do well there, we need an absolute impact player. Thats why my first choice is Khalil Mack if still there when we pick, if not grab an elite Offensive weapon. Ebron or Benjamin will give you that.

I didn't hear anything about Benjamin heading towards the draft, last I hears he was excited to tearing it up with Winston for awhile. I guess he changed his mind. I think he will be a much better player than Evans, honestly he might be the best WR in this draft if he does declare. He has a lot of upside, he is like a poor mans Calvin Johnson, but he has plenty of room to grow a lot more as a player.

That being said I want him or Ebron if the Giants go Offense in the first. We do need OL help more than anything, but I don't see any Guards in this draft really worthy of a 1st where we will be picking. The second and third will do well there, we need an absolute impact player. Thats why my first choice is Khalil Mack if still there when we pick, if not grab an elite Offensive weapon. Ebron or Benjamin will give you that.

Those hands, moves and the kid looks like a blazer.

Tony Pauline recently said his sources have indicated that Benjamin is leaning towards entering the draft. He's just a redshirt sophomore, but he turns 23 in February. We probably won't hear anything official until after the BCS Championship Game, though.

In comment 11394654 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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Those hands, moves and the kid looks like a blazer.

Jim,

I agree. I am tired of the big WR. Give me an X who is a burner. Except for Cruz who can score from anywhere, this offense is slow as fuck. Wilson is probably the fastest player but he is a question mark at this time. We need to add speed to this offense. Like I said outside of Cruz, no one scares you in this offense.

I hope it's this guy
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Vincent Jackson...I do not see the value in the early first round.

Green-Beckham from Mizzu, but he is only a Soph.