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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/15/2013 12:53 pm
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I kind of surprised how Eli wasn't able to make many plays  
TommytheElephant : 12/15/2013 3:07 pm : link
Given the pristine conditions he was put in.
Eli Manning, throwing hospital balls since 2004  
jlukes : 12/15/2013 3:18 pm : link
Hope this isn't a head injury that lingers
This offense is a fucking embarrassment  
ronzo : 12/15/2013 3:22 pm : link
70 total yards through 3 quarters.
the gap in yards  
English Alaister : 12/15/2013 3:27 pm : link
Is more instructive than the gap in points.

And what does the staff do? They bench Brewer. Classic. Maybe play Mosley in place of Diehl?

This OL is a mess. No pocket QB could play behind it.
I'm sure that this thread will be filled with  
BigBlueBuff : 12/15/2013 3:31 pm : link
breathless posts about coaching changes and scheme problems and all will miss the major point: The Giants could have Lombardi, Landry, Belichick, and Parcells on the staff with John Wooden giving advice and it wouldn't change the fact that these players, especially on offense and particularly on the offensive line suck, and suck hard.

This team needs talent in the worst way. If part of a rebuild includes new coaches then so be it, but the talent gap is so painfully clear to see for anyone that can watch this with any shred of objectivity.
RE: I'm sure that this thread will be filled with  
GiantFanInTX : 12/15/2013 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11396205 BigBlueBuff said:
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breathless posts about coaching changes and scheme problems and all will miss the major point: The Giants could have Lombardi, Landry, Belichick, and Parcells on the staff with John Wooden giving advice and it wouldn't change the fact that these players, especially on offense and particularly on the offensive line suck, and suck hard.

This team needs talent in the worst way. If part of a rebuild includes new coaches then so be it, but the talent gap is so painfully clear to see for anyone that can watch this with any shred of objectivity.


Agree 100% with this post - and yes, I am including the QB too.
Only two more games.  
bceagle05 : 12/15/2013 3:34 pm : link
It'll all be over soon. Not soon enough.
Bigbluebluff  
TommytheElephant : 12/15/2013 3:36 pm : link
Agreed.
Good effort from the defense  
Steve in South Jersey : 12/15/2013 3:37 pm : link
The offense is horrible. The OL is a disgrace.
what kind of assholes jump the gun on a post-game thread?  
aquidneck : 12/15/2013 3:38 pm : link
...oh wait.
RE: what kind of assholes jump the gun on a post-game thread?  
BigBlueBuff : 12/15/2013 3:43 pm : link
In comment 11396268 aquidneck said:
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...oh wait.
The kind that want to say their piece and move on to something better in the day...
Fucking disgraceful performance today  
95cobraguy : 12/15/2013 3:45 pm : link
Just another in the long line of them in recent years
Disgraceful effort  
Danny Kanell : 12/15/2013 3:46 pm : link
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RE: Disgraceful effort  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 12/15/2013 3:49 pm : link
In comment 11396324 Danny Kanell said:
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Not by the Defense. Thank God, or it would be 46-0 by now.
All I can say is  
That Said : 12/15/2013 3:50 pm : link
that we'd better be rewarded with a lot of 1:00 games, next year.

If not, this puddle of puke season will have been played for naught.
Disagree with BigBlue....  
hitchchops : 12/15/2013 3:51 pm : link
...like it or not, coaching matters, and it is more than just on game day. First, look at recent history of teams turning things around from one year to the next with a new staff (I know it doesn't always happen, but it can and does). Second, poorly coached/taught players will tend to look shitty over time. Last, players not motivated by a staff will underperform consistently. The talent on this team is not great, but it is not this bad. They just do not respond to this staff.
They need to hit the reset button on the O  
phil in arizona : 12/15/2013 3:56 pm : link
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You can disagree.  
BigBlueBuff : 12/15/2013 3:57 pm : link
You're wrong though. Accept that your heroes suck ass and stop making excuses for them.
Heroes?  
hitchchops : 12/15/2013 3:59 pm : link
Any grown up with a hero has issues much bigger than rooting for a shitty football team. I just loathe Coughlin and crew and want them gone yesterday. Additionally, I'm sure you are aware on issues such as this, I cannot be wrong, and neither can you... Just opinions bro
I am starting to think they should cut Nicks  
Peter from CT : 12/15/2013 4:01 pm : link
tomorrow. He isn't coming back and who would want him to?

He is just playing out the string without any passion or real effort. The guy is a major f'ing disappointment.
LOL at this season  
MarshallOnMontana : 12/15/2013 4:01 pm : link
If it makes you all feel any better.....

years from now we will view this season proudly as a battle scar. A test of fan credibility. A downtime we can point to so as not come to off as frontrunners from an organization who has given us a lot. Everyone loves playing the victim card as a fan, even successful ones. 2013 has given us that if nothing else. Its been a while

We had a good week of practice  
ronzo : 12/15/2013 4:01 pm : link
Blah blah
Hakeem Nicks  
dep026 : 12/15/2013 4:01 pm : link
great player.
BBB is correct  
phil in arizona : 12/15/2013 4:02 pm : link
Nobody is succeeding with this offensive line.
Major  
AcidTest : 12/15/2013 4:02 pm : link
changes coming. My guess is that the Giants stick with Eli, that they blame most of his atrocious play on the rest of the OL being even worse, but there are real questions about what we should do with him after next season. He can't play like this again and expect to remain as the starting QB, or even on the team.
Shit happens.....  
micky : 12/15/2013 4:03 pm : link
2013 season
Eli postgame..I've got to make better decisions"  
Blue21 : 12/15/2013 4:03 pm : link
Well these pics weren't on miscommunication.
I think you have to hold onto nicks  
phil in arizona : 12/15/2013 4:04 pm : link
For comp pick
Eli Apologists Spare Us  
Jeffrey : 12/15/2013 4:04 pm : link
We know that he has no offensive line but this is not his first 25 interception year. He throws behind, short, long and off the back foot. He birddogs receivers. Yes, he has had no help at all but this is a group effort and a total disaster for the team and the coach. Start the rebuild now and start with the coaching staff and those players who simply cannot do it anymore. Not talking about Eli here, but please , please no more excuses for any one on this team.
I'm thoroughly convinced Nicks  
SHO'NUFF : 12/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
is sabotaging this season for some reason known only to him.
They need to bring an ass-kicking QB coach  
Ben in Tampa : 12/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
who tells Eli straight up he doesn't give a fuck how many Super Bowl MVP trophies he has. Eli's year has been HORRID. It's not all on him, but he has played some bad, bad, bad football this year.
Wait, time out:  
BigBlueBuff : 12/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
It's your opinion so it can't be wrong?

HAHA!
is the season over yet??  
Danny L : 12/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
what a crappy effort by our "star" offensive players.


But what I would love to see most is Eli just going off on someone on the sildlines instead of just nodding his head or him standing there like with the I havefreaking clue look on his face. Just blow up Eli, on Cruz on the OL on Nicks on someone, just rip him apart like many other QBs including you big bro has done in the past, when someone isnt preforming as expected. just get in his face and rip him up in front of the whole offense/team.
RE: I'm sure that this thread will be filled with  
bigblueheadache : 12/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
In comment 11396205 BigBlueBuff said:
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breathless posts about coaching changes and scheme problems and all will miss the major point: The Giants could have Lombardi, Landry, Belichick, and Parcells on the staff with John Wooden giving advice and it wouldn't change the fact that these players, especially on offense and particularly on the offensive line suck, and suck hard.

This team needs talent in the worst way. If part of a rebuild includes new coaches then so be it, but the talent gap is so painfully clear to see for anyone that can watch this with any shred of objectivity.


Correct. But what are the chances that Jerry Reese gets canned? I'd say the chances of Coughlin going are no better than 20% and the chances of Reese going are nil. So now what? We watch another year of lousy football until Coughlin just retires and even then I think Reese has a job. Under this ownership group, nothing short of a fan boycott will bring down Reese/Coughlin.
Cruz - Concussion + Sprained knee  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 12/15/2013 4:08 pm : link
Wonderful.

From nfl.com - ( New Window )
the gap in yards  
English Alaister : 12/15/2013 4:08 pm : link
Is more instructive than the gap in points.

And what does the staff do? They bench Brewer. Classic. Maybe play Mosley in place of Diehl?

This OL is a mess. No pocket QB could play behind it.
2nd shutout this year!!  
micky : 12/15/2013 4:08 pm : link
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RE: They need to bring an ass-kicking QB coach  
JCin332 : 12/15/2013 4:09 pm : link
In comment 11396477 Ben in Tampa said:
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who tells Eli straight up he doesn't give a fuck how many Super Bowl MVP trophies he has. Eli's year has been HORRID. It's not all on him, but he has played some bad, bad, bad football this year.


Great idea you should set up a meeting with John Mara to discuss this grand plan..
Eli has played like shit...  
Dunedin81 : 12/15/2013 4:09 pm : link
but the obvious need on this team is for improved play on the interior line. The LG play today was some of the worst you will ever see. We also need a turnover in coaching, because you don't have two shutouts in a season on offense or allow 36, 36, 37, 38 and 41 points on defense and hold what you've got.
What is especially upsetting about Nicks  
phil in arizona : 12/15/2013 4:10 pm : link
Is that he is going to somewhere else on a cap friendly deal and then turn it on.
To think...  
NY4evr_28 : 12/15/2013 4:11 pm : link
If the Giants had an O-Line, RB depth at the beginning of the season, a Middle LB at the beginning of the season.... The NFC east was in total play. Phi/DAL/WSH suck!
RE: RE: They need to bring an ass-kicking QB coach  
Kyle : 12/15/2013 4:11 pm : link
In comment 11396493 JCin332 said:
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In comment 11396477 Ben in Tampa said:


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who tells Eli straight up he doesn't give a fuck how many Super Bowl MVP trophies he has. Eli's year has been HORRID. It's not all on him, but he has played some bad, bad, bad football this year.



Great idea you should set up a meeting with John Mara to discuss this grand plan..


Being honest: do you think that your sarcastic comment is by any means constructive, intelligent, witty, humorous, or overall worthwhile? What does it accomplish? What's the point? The above poster is an idiot for wanting a new QB coach?
many  
Danny L : 12/15/2013 4:11 pm : link
of those allow 36, 36, 37, 38 and 41 points allowed on D was the Eli and the offense just handing out point and spotting the D in bad spots.
Jeffrey..well said.  
Blue21 : 12/15/2013 4:11 pm : link
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Go ahead, prove my opinion wrong  
hitchchops : 12/15/2013 4:11 pm : link
And you know to do that you will need more than just your opinion as a counter, right? Yea you know that, you come across as an intellectual type, in my opinion.
an inaccurate qb against an elite secondary  
Mason : 12/15/2013 4:12 pm : link
Not a receipt for success. And a career 169 ints don't happen in just two seasons.
Nicks  
PaulN : 12/15/2013 4:13 pm : link
Is a free agent, what are you talking about? Comp pick happens if we lose more free agents and better free agents then we gain, what does hold onto Nicks have to do with that? We have a bunch of fat cat players and a horrible team overall. This team is years away from even being competitive. We have no OLine, no Tight ends, no Wideouts, except for Cruz who is good, not great, no running backs except for Brown who is not even good, a little better then average, Hillis who is a castoff, and they are our best, a former first round bust also, and an over rated QB, top it off with a bad offensive coordinator and this is what you get.
To me, there is one fact that tells me all I need to know...  
baadbill : 12/15/2013 4:13 pm : link
Reese put a SB clock in the Giants locker room ... if the man in charge of evaluating the talent on the team is that far off in his assessment, what hope is there for the future?
RE: I'm sure that this thread will be filled with  
ed90631 : 12/15/2013 4:13 pm : link
In comment 11396205 BigBlueBuff said:
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these players, especially on offense and particularly on the offensive line suck, and suck hard.


Ask yourself this: If these players who suck so hard are playing at their optimum level of potential who gave them jobs? Who runs them out there week in and week out? How come, if this is the best available, the Giants are stuck with them?

If the players have quit on the team, well that's the coaching staff's fault isn't it.

Yes, you are right,this team suck big time, but please don't absolve the coaching staff, the GM or the ownership. They share the blame equally.
No OL but  
Giants2012 : 12/15/2013 4:13 pm : link
Would not restructure the the contract of the QB.
The sad thing about Eli's INTs--  
NY4evr_28 : 12/15/2013 4:13 pm : link
Even if Eli cut his INT's in half, they still have the same record. Because a good chunk of them would have been 10 yard sacks in crucial moments. Just would have made the scores "not quite as bad".
RE: I'm sure that this thread will be filled with  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 12/15/2013 4:13 pm : link
In comment 11396205 BigBlueBuff said:
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breathless posts about coaching changes and scheme problems and all will miss the major point: The Giants could have Lombardi, Landry, Belichick, and Parcells on the staff with John Wooden giving advice and it wouldn't change the fact that these players, especially on offense and particularly on the offensive line suck, and suck hard.

This team needs talent in the worst way. If part of a rebuild includes new coaches then so be it, but the talent gap is so painfully clear to see for anyone that can watch this with any shred of objectivity.


I don't disagree...so are we now saying Reese is the problem?
RE: RE: RE: They need to bring an ass-kicking QB coach  
JCin332 : 12/15/2013 4:14 pm : link
In comment 11396506 Kyle said:
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In comment 11396493 JCin332 said:


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In comment 11396477 Ben in Tampa said:


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who tells Eli straight up he doesn't give a fuck how many Super Bowl MVP trophies he has. Eli's year has been HORRID. It's not all on him, but he has played some bad, bad, bad football this year.



Great idea you should set up a meeting with John Mara to discuss this grand plan..



Being honest: do you think that your sarcastic comment is by any means constructive, intelligent, witty, humorous, or overall worthwhile? What does it accomplish? What's the point? The above poster is an idiot for wanting a new QB coach?


Kyle you must love my posts considering you feel compelled to constantly respond to them..
RE: What is especially upsetting about Nicks  
Riggies : 12/15/2013 4:14 pm : link
In comment 11396504 phil in arizona said:
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Is that he is going to somewhere else on a cap friendly deal and then turn it on.


I doubt this.

If he was going to turn it on, whether he wants to be here or not, it would have happened this season, so he wouldn't have to sign a cap-friendly deal somewhere else and could have at least approached Mike Wallace money.

Don't get me wrong, he put forth a pretty feeble effort today, but his main problem is that he's just a shadow of what he once was physically and that's not going to fully come back for him.
RE: Cruz - Concussion + Sprained knee  
GloryDayz : 12/15/2013 4:14 pm : link
In comment 11396483 Upstate_Giants_fan said:
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Wonderful. From nfl.com - ( New Window )


Could tell right away he was concussed. Looked like he was out for a couple of seconds.

Luckily for him, he wont have to endure more meaningless punishment for the rest of the season
RE: an inaccurate qb against an elite secondary  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2013 4:14 pm : link
In comment 11396519 Mason said:
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Not a receipt for success. And a career 169 ints don't happen in just two seasons.


Nope but it happens for a QB in a system like this. Scrap the system and let's evaluate everyone from there.
If Cruz can't make it back for the last two games  
JohnF : 12/15/2013 4:15 pm : link
Do we score a touchdown the rest of the year?
Giants will draft a QB in round 1 if Eli does not  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 12/15/2013 4:15 pm : link
agree to renegotiate his contract. IMO
Gilbride showed off his offense today  
ZogZerg : 12/15/2013 4:16 pm : link
About what I expectedi
Paul  
Danny L : 12/15/2013 4:17 pm : link
In this day and age of NFL a team can go from worst to best in 1 season. we see it every year.
on the bright side thye Giants should have more than enough cap space to make a few dents in FA that will fill a few holes and then...well who knows.
Rich  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 4:17 pm : link

there aren't going to be any of them to draft. most of them aren't going to go out. I'm not even sure Manziel is going out
RE: If Cruz can't make it back for the last two games  
dep026 : 12/15/2013 4:17 pm : link
In comment 11396539 JohnF said:
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Do we score a touchdown the rest of the year?


He has 1 TD in 13 games. Lets not act like he is a scoring machine.
Eli  
hilary f : 12/15/2013 4:17 pm : link
I love Eli but football 101 is throw the ball away if no one is open.Eli's picks come when he throws to receivers who are well covered.The interceptions are for the most part his fault.
RE: To me, there is one fact that tells me all I need to know...  
GloryDayz : 12/15/2013 4:18 pm : link
In comment 11396525 baadbill said:
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Reese put a SB clock in the Giants locker room ... if the man in charge of evaluating the talent on the team is that far off in his assessment, what hope is there for the future?


Exactly... said the same thing in the SB countdown clock comes off thread posted like a week ago. As bad as an idea the clock was, thinking that the team had SB caliber talent is much worse.
but, yeah, lets draft a w/r #1 next year  
fame56 : 12/15/2013 4:19 pm : link
we dont need to draft offensive linemen high, hell, we can find them anywhere

if anyone still thinks that offensive line is not the top priority on draft day 2014 then I only have one question left..

WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING THIS YEAR WHEN THE GIANTS PLAYED!!???
It's amazing to me  
BlackLight : 12/15/2013 4:20 pm : link
to see so many people think that the Super Bowl clock has something to do with any of this - like it has magic powers.
if this offensive system is back next year (read: Coughlin/GILBRIDE)  
SHO'NUFF : 12/15/2013 4:20 pm : link
I'm boycotting football.
the SB clock was pretty arrogant  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 4:20 pm : link

you got to admit, especially for a team that had ALOT of problems in the second half of last season
Coughlin: "Pathetic offensive performance."  
drkenneth : 12/15/2013 4:21 pm : link
"I told those who did not prepare, that I felt sorry for them."
Id take Manziel right about now...  
CaLLaHaN : 12/15/2013 4:21 pm : link
Eli is having one of the worst years for a QB ever. If he didn't win any super bowl rings he would have been benched weeks ago... + you cant make that much $$$ if your playing like the worse player in the NFL.
Reporters grilling TC on Eli.  
drkenneth : 12/15/2013 4:22 pm : link
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There's just so much broken offensively  
Kyle : 12/15/2013 4:22 pm : link
It can be fixed, and even in one offseason, but there's a ton of work needed that maintaining status quo just won't achieve.

In comment 11396530 JCin332 said:
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Kyle you must love my posts considering you feel compelled to constantly respond to them..


A sarcastic, troll-like response to criticism about prior sarcastic, troll-like responses. I was asking for it.

I'm serious. These poorly written, sarcastic quips that intend to mock any sort of criticism provide no value whatsoever to discourse here.
giants  
whobetta : 12/15/2013 4:22 pm : link
offensive philosophy like a coin flip. over course of season statistically looks like it is good. but never know when its going to flip heads for such a long string of attempts.

seriously, round pegs in square holes everywhere.


hate hate hate hate this fucking offensive designed scheme of shit. I just pray to God they all go and haven't permanently given Eli "David Carr Syndrome"
Manziel would die behind this line  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 4:22 pm : link

there's a reason alot of these guys are waffling on going out, they're not that good as pros go. Bridgewater is going to be a bust. Tommy Rees will have a better day against Rutgers than he did
Is the post game on any channel or  
Giants2012 : 12/15/2013 4:25 pm : link
Is that botched too?
BlackLight  
baadbill : 12/15/2013 4:25 pm : link
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It's amazing to me to see so many people think that the Super Bowl clock has something to do with any of this - like it has magic powers.


It's not too difficult to follow ... the GM in charge of evaluating talent thought the talent he had assembled was so good that he figured it was safe to put a countdown clock in the locker room - a public pronouncement that his assemblage of players were going to compete for the trophy and be the first team in NFL history to play the SB in their own building.

Again, not too difficult to understand that anyone who would do that, was seriously "off" in his evaluation - this being the one person being paid millions of dollars to make an accurate assessment of that very talent
Coughlin going hard after Nicks, OL and Eli  
Mason : 12/15/2013 4:25 pm : link
Crazy offense when your coach admits they basically depend on Nicks to go for jump balls because passes aren't accurate.
This game could've been worse.  
giantgiantfan : 12/15/2013 4:25 pm : link
only lost 23-0, I was expecting 45-17. This Seattle offense is not great outside of Seattle. Makes me wonder if they can win a SB. Sure they will make to the big game, I just wonder if they have what it takes to win on neutral field.
RE: Reporters grilling TC on Eli.  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2013 4:25 pm : link
In comment 11396584 drkenneth said:
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NY media looking for a quote , sound bite or story.
The Super Bowl clock  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/15/2013 4:26 pm : link
Was stupid, but let's not act like it was more than it is.
RE: Coughlin:  
Danny L : 12/15/2013 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11396580 drkenneth said:
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"I told those who did not prepare, that I felt sorry for them."


I wonder, were the coaches ready? not just for this game but for 9 other loses?

why is he rolling the blame to the players?? man up and share the blame, its not just them. players play coaches coach, coaches must put players in position to have success. piss poor job at that this season.
Gilbride needs to go  
Mondo : 12/15/2013 4:28 pm : link
The draft needs to be OL first two rounds.
It's never ever the coaches' fault with Coughlin.  
Riggies : 12/15/2013 4:28 pm : link
The best you'll ever get from him is a sarcastic "Blame it all me" bit, with no specifics.

He's loyal to them beyond anything else, certainly beyond any player or players.
Eli; " we have comeback and better week  
micky : 12/15/2013 4:28 pm : link
and perform better...chance to compete."
RE: There's just so much broken offensively  
JCin332 : 12/15/2013 4:29 pm : link
In comment 11396585 Kyle said:
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It can be fixed, and even in one offseason, but there's a ton of work needed that maintaining status quo just won't achieve.

In comment 11396530 JCin332 said:


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Kyle you must love my posts considering you feel compelled to constantly respond to them..



A sarcastic, troll-like response to criticism about prior sarcastic, troll-like responses. I was asking for it.

I'm serious. These poorly written, sarcastic quips that intend to mock any sort of criticism provide no value whatsoever to discourse here.


Kyle if you don't like my posts then don't read and certainly don't respond to them..honestly I find you arrogant but I don't follow you around and post counterpoints to everything you say..



RE: Coughlin going hard after Nicks, OL and Eli  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2013 4:29 pm : link
In comment 11396599 Mason said:
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Crazy offense when your coach admits they basically depend on Nicks to go for jump balls because passes aren't accurate.


He is an X, he should be able to go fight for the ball. At some point like TC said your skill players need to make plays.
RE: The Super Bowl clock  
Danny L : 12/15/2013 4:30 pm : link
In comment 11396603 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Was stupid, but let's not act like it was more than it is.


yeah the clock was stupid but maybe he put it there to show he has confidence in this group of players and inspire them?
it sure doesnt look good now with the way the season unfolded but Im pretty sure if we were sitting pretty atop the NFCE we would saying something diff.
Coughlin again deflecting all blame away from the coaching staff  
SHO'NUFF : 12/15/2013 4:30 pm : link
for this alone, he should be fired. He's oblivious. He doesn't even understand the problem.
What we saw today  
MarshallOnMontana : 12/15/2013 4:30 pm : link
was just how far our program is behind the current elite of the league. And on our home field too. The NFL is year to year, and you can see wild swings from one year to the next, but we will need a home run offseason. Its a shame we pissed away draft slotting on some meaningless wins against a lucky stretch of the schedule with qb situations in flux. We are closer to 3-11 quality than 5-9
and it's funny bringing up Manziel  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 4:30 pm : link

if you don't like INTs, you're gonna love Manziel.

I'm not saying he's not going to translate, but typically these top college QBs do not throw picks. I mean RG3 threw 17 in 1200 passes. Manziel throws picks, if he pans out he's going to be a 25-15 30-20 split type guy
Ten Ton  
baadbill : 12/15/2013 4:30 pm : link
How can it be over emphasized? After all, Reese clearly wouldn't have done it unless he thought the Giants were one of the top teams in the league ... If you don't have a problem that he thought that, then that's fine. But, if I am Mara and Tisch, I have a HUGE problem paying Reese millions of dollars only to learn that weeks before the season started, he thought the Giants were one of the very best teams in the league. He gets paid millions of dollars to know the actual state of affairs - but he obviously didn't have a clue - and to me, that is unforgivable. Permanently unforgivable.
RE: RE: Coughlin going hard after Nicks, OL and Eli  
oldutican : 12/15/2013 4:32 pm : link
In comment 11396620 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 11396599 Mason said:


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Crazy offense when your coach admits they basically depend on Nicks to go for jump balls because passes aren't accurate.



He is an X, he should be able to go fight for the ball. At some point like TC said your skill players need to make plays.


I respect your opinion. But on the last int, how is that Nicks fault? His hands are as high or higher than the db, who is in perfect position. What could Nicks do?
gotta put our  
whobetta : 12/15/2013 4:32 pm : link
plyaers in best possible chance to succeed. this system puts them behind a goddamn 8 ball all the time. 0 margin for error or wiggle room. its like trying to breath hanging from a noose. if they don't change the offensive system im going to lose my mind. and that's if Eli isn't permanently fucked in the head from this shit this year
Sho'nuff  
beatrixkiddo : 12/15/2013 4:33 pm : link
with the win.

Coughlin is never critical of his coaches, after all they are just implementing his horrible game plans. But it's funny he will take the blame before putting it on them. He really is oblivious, I think the game has changed and it sadly has left him behind.
I don't want to draft another QB, but if this team is committed to  
Riggies : 12/15/2013 4:33 pm : link
status quo with this staff, they need to and let Eli move on to another team, to try and salvage his career (the Browns, for example, would be a good choice, with Gordon and Turner installed).

Manziel, Bridgewater... whatever. Let someone else be the square peg for the round hole because this one isn't working anymore and trying to pretend it is or will isn't going to help the team or the player.
I love TC  
Danny L : 12/15/2013 4:34 pm : link
and appreciate what both he and KG have done to this franchise but one has to wonder if the game has now passed them.
it's like a kid finding out there is no Santa Claus  
SHO'NUFF : 12/15/2013 4:34 pm : link
Coughlin ain't that great...Eli ain't that smart.
RE: RE: Coughlin going hard after Nicks, OL and Eli  
Mason : 12/15/2013 4:34 pm : link
In comment 11396620 AnishPatel said:
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Crazy offense when your coach admits they basically depend on Nicks to go for jump balls because passes aren't accurate.



He is an X, he should be able to go fight for the ball. At some point like TC said your skill players need to make plays.



That can't be your entire game plan. Sherman is no scrub. As a coach you need to understand that stuff. I would contemplate making serious changes if q coach said that's all I had to go with. Praying Nicks and Cruz to constantly out physical their opposition is ridiculous.
everyone overlooking the fact our NO 1 pick was a bust  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 12/15/2013 4:34 pm : link
whether due to injury or play. Other teams today have their no 1 playing at high level..Ours is on IR. we drafted poorly last 3 years and here is the results
RE: Ten Ton  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/15/2013 4:34 pm : link
In comment 11396626 baadbill said:
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How can it be over emphasized? After all, Reese clearly wouldn't have done it unless he thought the Giants were one of the top teams in the league ... If you don't have a problem that he thought that, then that's fine. But, if I am Mara and Tisch, I have a HUGE problem paying Reese millions of dollars only to learn that weeks before the season started, he thought the Giants were one of the very best teams in the league. He gets paid millions of dollars to know the actual state of affairs - but he obviously didn't have a clue - and to me, that is unforgivable. Permanently unforgivable.


Is the super bowl clock the reason why Snee tore his hip, Baas was lost for the year, Beatty played like a rookie after having a great season?

Is the super bowl clock the reason Hakeem Nicks suddenly doesn't have any talent and Reuben Randle still can't run a play without causing an interception?

You can have a problem with it, that's fine, but they're not going to fire the GM or somehow discipline him to your satisfaction because of this year.

Nicks just said TC is wrong on "being pathetic"  
micky : 12/15/2013 4:35 pm : link
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this coaching  
whobetta : 12/15/2013 4:36 pm : link
staff loves their round peg square hole philosophy.

he wants people to execute, except you can't shine shit and especially with subpar talent.

the fuck they thinking. again, coaches coach and haven't done a good job to change anything since shit aint fucking working.

FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THEM TO EXECUTE OR ELSE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM
Second Maxwell INT on short over the middle pass to Nicks...  
M.S. : 12/15/2013 4:36 pm : link
...great pick. But Eli's short pass accuracy has sucked all year. The ball was behind Nicks who was running to his right and having to reach back to his left. Eli has just plain sucked this year.

HE needs a huge step up year in 2014 or we'll be picking Top 5 in 2015.
Eli went from  
SHO'NUFF : 12/15/2013 4:36 pm : link
Coach Savior to Coach Killer.
RE: RE: RE: Coughlin going hard after Nicks, OL and Eli  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2013 4:36 pm : link
In comment 11396630 oldutican said:
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Crazy offense when your coach admits they basically depend on Nicks to go for jump balls because passes aren't accurate.



He is an X, he should be able to go fight for the ball. At some point like TC said your skill players need to make plays.



I respect your opinion. But on the last int, how is that Nicks fault? His hands are as high or higher than the db, who is in perfect position. What could Nicks do?


Can someone on offense make a play? You aren't going to get a perfect pass in a season like this. When you do its going to be dropped, tipped or guy running the wrong route or quitting on the route. When the guy is open Eli fucks up. In this fucking season, all of the above will go wrong.

But you are 1 on 1 with your X? Those are plays Nicks made in his career. If that's the case then design a play that's more safe. Have someone run a hitch, not Murphy Jr.. Throw to a Rb. For the record when Eli threw it I didn't expect a TD. I didn't expect an Ints either in that fashion. But when it happened I nodded and though well based on how the season has gone. That's par for the season.
Another part to this is the team is stuck with a Donna Reed  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 12/15/2013 4:37 pm : link
Show type Offense. Very predictable outcome of each performance just like the each of these shows
Ten Ton  
baadbill : 12/15/2013 4:38 pm : link
I never once said they were going to fire Reese. In fact, I'd be willing to bet a large chunk of money that there's about zero chance he will be fired.

But, if this season is on anyone, it's on Reese. And to try to blame this season in injuries is silly. Injuries have very very little to do with the problem. The problem is that the team is devoid of talent - and it is going to take 2-3 years of gathering talent to turn things around. Problem is, the guy in charge of gathering talent has done a piss poor job of it over the past 3-4 years AND DIDN'T KNOW IT.

RE: I love TC  
Peter from CT : 12/15/2013 4:38 pm : link
In comment 11396636 Danny L said:
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and appreciate what both he and KG have done to this franchise but one has to wonder if the game has now passed them.


Sadly, I feel the same way. Our offense is stuck in a different era. There are no easy plays to make.
RE: RE: RE: Coughlin going hard after Nicks, OL and Eli  
dep026 : 12/15/2013 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11396630 oldutican said:
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Crazy offense when your coach admits they basically depend on Nicks to go for jump balls because passes aren't accurate.



He is an X, he should be able to go fight for the ball. At some point like TC said your skill players need to make plays.



I respect your opinion. But on the last int, how is that Nicks fault? His hands are as high or higher than the db, who is in perfect position. What could Nicks do?


I would agree that the ball was a tad underthrown.

But the problem is the ball was up in the air long enough for Nicks to break the route and make a better play at the ball. Instead, he just continued running as if there is no defender.

Should the ball be thrown the better? Absolutely. But it just goes back to the point where our WRs just dont make plays. Balls are underthrown all the time, and you see WRs make plays on the ball.

We dont have anyone on this team that can do this.
Anish  
oldutican : 12/15/2013 4:39 pm : link
That's not my question. I don't see what Nicks could have done on that play.
AnishPatel...  
M.S. : 12/15/2013 4:41 pm : link
...I didn't expect that out of you.

Nicks cannot be blamed for that last INT.

First and foremost it was great coverage and a great INT by Thomas.

Second, Eli threw the ball in the best place possible for the defender to make a play on that ball. That ball needs to be in Nicks hands... or out of bounds.

It was neither.

But that wasn't really an ugly INT by Eli. That second pick over the middle on short Nicks crossing pattern was.
Rolle: Some don't have a "pulse"  
micky : 12/15/2013 4:42 pm : link
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I just blown away at how much this coaching staff disrespected  
Mason : 12/15/2013 4:44 pm : link
The Seahawks defense. Just get more physical guys. That's the answer. Jump higher and push off more. Number one secondary and elite pass rushers who cares just be more physical. And if you get concuss trying to get out physical hold on to the ball.
RE: Rolle: Some don't have a  
Riggies : 12/15/2013 4:45 pm : link
In comment 11396665 micky said:
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I'm so fucking tired of hearing Rolle and his generic fire, passion, etc. comments.

I appreciate his play this season, but shut the fuck up. The offense isn't spectacularly shitty this season because they don't want it enough, just like the defense didn't give up that season-ending drive against the Cowboys after running their mouth all week because they weren't trying hard enough or what have you.
Blaming effort is easier than blaming talent and competency  
Kyle : 12/15/2013 4:46 pm : link
because by blaming effort, you are, in part, taking the "we beat ourselves" approach.
the giants  
whobetta : 12/15/2013 4:47 pm : link
have been beating themselves since forever. it would be nice if they STOPPED fucking doing that
Riggies  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 4:51 pm : link

there's no way the staff is going to survive and if they do let him go it will be one of the bigger mistakes they've ever made. this team cannot draft DE or QB in round 1. you cannot boast your "strengths" and then go draft into them
1-10 on 3rd down, 25 yds rushing,  
Simms11 : 12/15/2013 4:59 pm : link
5 picks and a fumble and 0 points!!!!!! This offense is pathetic.... TC got that right, but what can they do about it this year?

Reese and TC have their hands full this off season. Will TC be brought back? Who will ownership pin this mess on? Week after the last game will be interesting
Despondent  
SIMike : 12/15/2013 5:00 pm : link
It is obvious that the whole organization is down. A total evaluation by the owners must be made. There has been horrible football played for a season and a half. The dilemma being do we do a total overhaul of the coaching/front office? I think not. Major changes must be made and I think we all agree on that. What they are is anybody's guess. I will be interested to read what all of you think. The team is in free fall and. Priorities must be set by ownership and bold moves might be needed.
awful, I look forward to the off-season  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/15/2013 5:00 pm : link
this team has a lot of work to do. Eli has been terrible this year but he's still a guy I trust to lead this team next year, but Gilbride absolutely must be fired and a new offensive philosophy needs to be brought in. We also need to make a big effort to improve this OL. A lot of work to do but this organization is capable of a quick reload.
RE: AnishPatel...  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2013 5:01 pm : link
In comment 11396661 M.S. said:
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...I didn't expect that out of you.

Nicks cannot be blamed for that last INT.

First and foremost it was great coverage and a great INT by Thomas.

Second, Eli threw the ball in the best place possible for the defender to make a play on that ball. That ball needs to be in Nicks hands... or out of bounds.

It was neither.

But that wasn't really an ugly INT by Eli. That second pick over the middle on short Nicks crossing pattern was.



Then compounded by that fucking Hail Mary. You're QB has 2 ints already and now you want him to fucking throw it up there for anyone. Eli should have taken a knee and that's saying it kindly.

As a coach you tell your players if the balk is near you or you can touch it bring it in. That's what I preached and I coached that way. I told my TE corps not to make excuses. If during game review I felt it was a bad pass I'd say it. But I ran drills to coach this. I threw balls like Eli is thrown g them. I threw them a lot worse too. You run these drills during Indy period to prepare your players. You coach them up so that they are ready for any kind of pass perfect or bad.

So no I have no sympathy for it because I know as a skill position coach I coached and designed drills for games like this.
I don't disagree with it being a big mistake, but I also don't see the  
Riggies : 12/15/2013 5:06 pm : link
team doing what should be done with the staff to at least give the QB a chance to turn things around.

It's screams obvious (well, for not for everyone), but yet, unless they're going to be willing to fire TC, it's not going to happen and if it doesn't happen, Eli's not a realistic solution here at this point, he's that messed up right now; all he's likely going to accomplish within the status quo is to fully piss away anything he may have been building as a legacy with a brutal close to his career. I don't want to watch that and, more importantly, that's not going to help the team I root for succeed in the small or big picture either.
What's hilarious  
bceagle05 : 12/15/2013 5:16 pm : link
is we still may not crack the top ten of the draft, and we'll likely get the Falcons and Packers with our third-place schedule, both of whom will likely bounce back with good seasons. All this misery won't even bring the usual benefits of a top pick and shitty schedule the following year.
This game was as predictable  
Jerry in DC : 12/15/2013 5:17 pm : link
as it gets in the NFL. It worked out exactly the way anybody would've expected. If I had written out the play-by-play action before the game it would've looked almost exactly like it did, although I would've said 3 INTs instead of 5.

- Valiant effort by the defense, futilely keeping the team within touching distance for as long as possible
- Complete zero from the defense with turnovers, no big plays, no ability to move the ball at all

This is also why a lot of people here weren't all that excited about the 4 game winning streak. It wasn't hard to figure out that the Giants were way, way behind the good teams in the league.
no, I know what you mean  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 5:17 pm : link

I just staying staying the course and drafting a QB high would be a disaster of epic proportions, this team is currently not built to draft and develop a QB from up high. just too weak at too many positions. I feel the same way about going for Clowney

it'll set them back 5 years *if* the QB develops.

I think it's moot because there's no way the staff survives this, the only logical way to do this is blow everything up, and find a staff that will build around their few strengths.
crying out loud  
newmike2 : 12/15/2013 5:18 pm : link
this team does not have the talent to execute the game plan they have been trying to execute for the past ten years. They needed to adjust the game planning to the talent and they didn't. It would not surprise me if guys decided to mentally check out because the results have not changed for over a year.
It's not the fault of the players that the team has been using the same playbook since 2004 and that a competent opposing coaching staff would plan accordingly. This team does not adjust and does not try to do something different.
because they draft to fit the same gameplan.

Unless they shitcan the entire coaching staff, they are looking to repeat the same in 2014.
There is no way we are re signing NIcks  
spike : 12/15/2013 5:18 pm : link
unless it is for vet minimum because he seriously sucks this season.

we aren't far off from being right back in the playoffs next year  
RasputinPrime : 12/15/2013 5:23 pm : link
we just need new coaches and as many new players on both sides as possible.
RasputinPrime...  
M.S. : 12/15/2013 5:28 pm : link
...if Eli is as careless and inaccurate with his passes in 2014 as he has been in 2013, well then this baby ain't turning around anytime soon!
We just differ on how likely logic is to rule.  
Riggies : 12/15/2013 5:32 pm : link
I just feel like those 5 wins/that 4 game win streak screwed up what would have been (and should be) a lock, even with loyalty and past appreciation factored in.

They're going to come back with everything, from staff to system to QB, the same and just blame it all on the OL (which they won't actually significantly upgrade and may even bet again on Snee and Baas staying healthy/being productive)... and it's going to fucking suck.
RE: RasputinPrime...  
FStubbs : 12/15/2013 5:33 pm : link
In comment 11396838 M.S. said:
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...if Eli is as careless and inaccurate with his passes in 2014 as he has been in 2013, well then this baby ain't turning around anytime soon!


I'd wager if Eli is as careless and inaccurate in 2014 as he is this year, he won't be here in 2015.
Yeah  
Jerry in DC : 12/15/2013 5:34 pm : link
I think all the coaches come back, certainly all the offensive guys anyway. I do think they'll upgrade the OL though. Despite some of the ridiculous commentary around here, Reese is smart. He did a great job with the DTs last offseason. I'm confident he's going to bring some players in on the OL this year.
what do you want to adjust the game plan to?  
HomerJones45 : 12/15/2013 5:37 pm : link
you've got a qb who can't consistently hit receivers in the numbers from 5 yards away and falls back into bad habits in the face of any pressure whatsoever.

you've got an o-line that can't open holes for runners.

Please all you system and adjustment people, what magic system or adjustments do you have in mind?

Personally, I see Eli's contract being re-worked in the offseason to gain some cap room to go after a receiver and a guard. Nicks is gone, if anyone wants him. I also see a change in draft philosophy away from projects like Robinson and toward guys ready to play.
You can easily create  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2013 5:44 pm : link
a system that's different then this that Eli and the skill players can excel in. Reese would do his part in supplying the players. Ross with the draft coming up and then an OC with creativity can help.
RE: what do you want to adjust the game plan to?  
dep026 : 12/15/2013 5:45 pm : link
In comment 11396858 HomerJones45 said:
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you've got a qb who can't consistently hit receivers in the numbers from 5 yards away and falls back into bad habits in the face of any pressure whatsoever.

you've got an o-line that can't open holes for runners.

Please all you system and adjustment people, what magic system or adjustments do you have in mind?

Personally, I see Eli's contract being re-worked in the offseason to gain some cap room to go after a receiver and a guard. Nicks is gone, if anyone wants him. I also see a change in draft philosophy away from projects like Robinson and toward guys ready to play.


You got Receivers who struggle getting separations and catching the ball as well.

12 targets for Cruz/Nicks....3 catches for 30 yards and 4 INTs.
Riggies/Jerry  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 5:46 pm : link

I can't see it. I just think it's quiet now because the Giants aren't the type to apply that kind of pressure during a season. If they were, TC would already be gone and someone like Fewell would be coaching the team, only to be fired at the end of the season.

that's not how they do business.

of everyone, the offensive staff definitely does not deserve to be back. well, that and Quinn, but Quinn obviously has pictures of someone very powerful
The  
AcidTest : 12/15/2013 5:46 pm : link
defense is probably closer to being decent than the offense. At times, they have played well, especially considering the ineptitude of the offense. We need another corner and a passrusher. The former can come from the draft, the latter will have to be the emergence of Moore and the resurrection of JPP.

On offense, it's the OL and a WR. Use FA money to sign a guard and draft another or a tackle. Cut Baas, Snee, and Diehl. Brewer is regressing, but can come to camp. So can Mosley, Goodin, and Herman. Maybe one emerges.

I would also favor trading down for extra picks given all the holes, and the fact that Reese is blowing a lot of selections.

Not sure what to do with Eli. His cap hit is $20M next year. But we might be better just eating that number for one season instead of restructuring and/or extending him. He has suffered from a terrible offense, but is also a big part of the problem.
so you say  
HomerJones45 : 12/15/2013 5:50 pm : link
if it is so easy, pray, enlighten us.

dep, I would agree  
HomerJones45 : 12/15/2013 5:52 pm : link
Nicks seriously looks to have lost a lot of steps. Randle went MIA today. Murphy blows. Cruz has been ok. Jernigan caught a lot of passes in garbage time. When it counted, he dropped a high throw. What was supposed to be a team strength has not been.
More  
Mr. Nickels : 12/15/2013 5:53 pm : link
shotgun draws and we win the super bowl next year
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HomerJones45
RE: It's amazing to me  
GloryDayz : 12/15/2013 5:53 pm : link
In comment 11396573 BlackLight said:
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to see so many people think that the Super Bowl clock has something to do with any of this - like it has magic powers.


The clock doesnt have magic powers, and it didnt lead to this catastrophe of a season, but its alarming to see the GM so out of touch, unaware of what terrible state the team is in, and/or how much talent its lacking.
Nickels  
HomerJones45 : 12/15/2013 5:55 pm : link
sit quietly and let the adults talk and maybe you might learn something.
Very happy  
HAW HAW HAW It's GARY SHAW : 12/15/2013 5:55 pm : link
I'm very happy I'm here in China and missed the game. Sounds like a total disaster...again.
RE: dep, I would agree  
dep026 : 12/15/2013 5:55 pm : link
In comment 11396891 HomerJones45 said:
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Nicks seriously looks to have lost a lot of steps. Randle went MIA today. Murphy blows. Cruz has been ok. Jernigan caught a lot of passes in garbage time. When it counted, he dropped a high throw. What was supposed to be a team strength has not been.


I think what every poster can agree upon is that the whole offense has been a shit show. Eli, the OL, WRs, and RBs.

You will see new OL next year, a new WR, and a new TE. All I ask is for a new OC. And guess what... if Eli stinks again.... then you can think about replacing him. But to replace him when the surrounding talent is horrendous is just asinine.
hj45  
lalalalala : 12/15/2013 6:00 pm : link

that's the thing, though, it's not easy. they got to the playoffs in 11 on the backs of two players (yes, there were more contributions in the playoffs), but without Eli and JPP that don't sniff it in the first place.

now you fast forward to this year, and Eli is having a horrid year (only saved by him being somewhat clean up to this week, but very little point production), and JPP's season I can't even put into words.

that Tuck has exploded with JPP off the field speaks volumes. I have no idea where they go from here but staying the course makes no sense
They won a Super Bowl  
JoefromPa : 12/15/2013 6:00 pm : link
2 seasons ago. As most teams would do they brought back the core with a tweak her and there, hoping for another championship.

They were wrong, the core is mostly gone or close to the end. They have a franchise quarterback, a two time Super Bowl winning coach....and they will now move forward.

There will be no fake determination next season, there will be genuine fear of can they win, which is often a great motivator
Eli  
Sammo284 : 12/15/2013 6:04 pm : link
Put himself on notice for 2014. He was pathetic today.
Nicks  
Mark in Tampa : 12/15/2013 6:05 pm : link
I'm no expert but I noticed two things today. First, he seemed to be grinning on at least two occasions. What's up with that when you're being embarrased in your own house. Second, admittedly, Eli throws into tight coverage. But if Nicks can't catch the ball, then make sure the defender doesn't. To me, Nicks is dogging it and, in his contract year, I don't understand why.
RE: RE: It's amazing to me  
Mason : 12/15/2013 6:07 pm : link
In comment 11396896 GloryDayz said:
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In comment 11396573 BlackLight said:


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to see so many people think that the Super Bowl clock has something to do with any of this - like it has magic powers.



The clock doesnt have magic powers, and it didnt lead to this catastrophe of a season, but its alarming to see the GM so out of touch, unaware of what terrible state the team is in, and/or how much talent its lacking.


That wasn't the gm, that was the owner. Remember his statements about the last SB. He is paying Eli like a top QB, wanted to keep Snee. The coach also begged to have DD, Webster and others return. The owner instructed his FO to pursue Herzlich and keep him on the roster. Everyone on that organization thought it would be a bounce back year. The Maras are not some sideline ownership. Chris Mara runs Reese scouting department. And the coaches have significant input in the draft and FA signing. Coughlin, John Mara and Ross have repeatly expressed this point. Snee and Webster man Coughlin was so wrong about those guys this season.
Today was a complete dumpster fire. TC gave the defense credit  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 12/15/2013 6:11 pm : link
for effort, but they didn't play "well" either. Plus, the special teams is trash.

The thing that drove me craziest about the game was Eli getting picked on his 2 jump balls (with non-competitive efforts by Nicks), but Russell Wilson throws a jump ball and Amukamara barely kept it from being caught by Golden Tate.

People are raking the QB over the coals, but it's impossible to give a decent performance with an o-line this bad. Brewer was horrendous, Beatty was awful, and even Pugh gave up a terrible sack.

The defense tried, but they also missed plenty of tackles and left receivers wide open all over the field.

If I see Bill Leavy on the street any time soon, I'm going to hit him with a snowball that I've molded in the shape of a machete.
We  
AcidTest : 12/15/2013 6:31 pm : link
barely beat a bunch of teams with poor to awful QBs, and therefore deluded ourselves into believing that we were even mediocre. Not that we really had any chance of making the playoffs, but that a few cuts and additions, and a few decent draft picks, and we would be back again.

Not so. This is a major multiyear rebuilding effort IMO, especially on offense. The players who won those two SBs are old and should have already been cut. Eli is now also on notice IMO. Play better in 2014 or you will be cut as well.

Parcells said "You are what your record says you are." Given who we beat, I'm not even sure that is true. We barely had one hundred yards of offense. Could we even beat Jacksonville, or Houston? Cleveland would stomp us in all likelihood. The only reason we might finish six and ten is that the Redskins are as bad as we are, and it is a home game for us.
Duh! Does Reese make millions?  
Jupiter : 12/15/2013 6:33 pm : link
Let's cut him so we can make room under the cap.

Idiot savant.
If nothing else, Gilbride must go  
jeff57 : 12/15/2013 6:34 pm : link
.
Look...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 12/15/2013 6:35 pm : link
I dont think anyone will sit here and say that the performance of the offense is all ELi's fault. This O line absolutely sucks. Actually "sucks" is too kind. This may be the worst O Line I have ever seen assembled on a professional team.

That being said, when Eli DOES have time to throw, he simply is NOT making the throws. It is high, underthrown, overthrown, behind the WR...whatever. If I had a nickle for every time I heard someone say .."yeah but he still should have made the catch". Plus we cannot even calculate all of the bad decisions. How many times he did not even see a guy wide open like today in that INT to Nicks in the end zone. Myers was standing there by himself in the middle of the end zone. Could have been his easiest TD of the year. Instead, he was looking at Nicks the entire time and threw an underthrown ball to a guy who was NEVER open at any point during that play. O line had nothing to do with that one.

Lots of blame to toss at Gilbride too by the way.
16 TDs vs 25 INTs  
MarshallOnMontana : 12/15/2013 7:50 pm : link
is a failure of a passing offense. Not just one guy, but every layer of it. That being said, Eli owns a big piece of this. Just a dreadful season. And while the situation has not been ideal, he has far from maximized his situation
RE: we aren't far off from being right back in the playoffs next year  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/15/2013 8:07 pm : link
In comment 11396828 RasputinPrime said:
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we just need new coaches and as many new players on both sides as possible.


Ok, this got a chuckle out of me.
At this point I'd be really disappointed in the ownership if no  
BigGame : 12/15/2013 8:10 pm : link
coaching changes are made. At least the coordinators have to go.
RE: Eli postgame..I've got to make better decisions  
dcable : 12/15/2013 8:35 pm : link
In comment 11396450 Blue21 said:
[quote] Well these pics weren't on miscommunication. [/quot

Recivers werent getting open, they dropped passes and they didnt even try to break up the pass when the db's were making interceptions. They except for Cruz have given up on the team
Fuck this season  
djm : 12/15/2013 9:43 pm : link
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