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Nicks...is anyone else as disappointed as I am

MikeN in Ottawa : 12/16/2013 10:15 am
in this guy this season?

Two years ago, I thought Nicks was an absolute beast and would be the best receiver in Giants' history. I would have, at that time, taken Nicks, hands down, over any wide receiver in the NFL. He was that good.

Now, to hear him yesterday refute what TC had to say after the game, to see him literally not compete at all for several balls...a common theme this year for him...I cannot believe I am watching the same guy. And he is only 25.

I know the injury thing but it is hard to watch a guy, who competed so hard previously, just go through the motions and let's be honest...Nicks is just going through the motions right now. To me, his play has been so poor I would consider benching him.

I never thought he was a WR diva but how can you think anything else after seeing him not even try to knock the ball down on those interceptions yesterday by Sherman.

I am not sure what has happened to him mentally but I would have to think he has destroyed his reputation in the Giants' family. Maybe he will regain what he once was with another team but, personally, he has wiped out in one season all the good he had done in the previous 4.

I know some team will give him big money but still you have to really wonder if this is the right way to earn a new contract? I guess I am just too old school but his play this year has bordered on disgusting.
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Nicks is gone  
Blue Baller : 12/16/2013 10:32 am : link
there is zero doubt

Deihl stated it halfway through the season. He wouldn't have said that if there wasn't some fire behind that smoke
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jeff57 : 12/16/2013 10:33 am : link
In comment 11398625 steve in ky said:
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Even if nobody named names or pointed fingers at exactly which Giants were lacking in the effort department, anybody with eyes had to question the effort wideout Hakeem Nicks gave Sunday. Or more to the point, didn’t give.

Eli Manning targeted the struggling receiver five times in the 23-0 loss to Seattle. One of those ended up as a catch, with the other four ending up as interceptions. And from the outside, it didn’t appear as if Nicks gave his utmost in fighting for the ball.


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2 were underthrown and 1 was behind him. So, yes, it's Nicks' fault.
very dissapointed  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 12/16/2013 10:37 am : link
Nicks has been my favorite player on this team during these past handful of years. He didn't have freakish size/speed measurable, but he was simply a baller who had awesome hands and was powerful enough to own DBs. He also seemed like a really great teammate, always giving an effort when it came to blocking. He also handled the Victor Cruz-mania about as well as you could ask him to, he had no problem letting Victor get the shine and then when the team needed him he stepped up in the 2011 playoffs.

I don't know what happened to him this year. Injuries played a role but there was just something off about him this year from the start. Mentally, he just didn't seem to be 100% and his effort has looked mediocre all year.

I wish him good luck in the future, but I think and honestly hope it will be for another team.
nicks  
taterbug : 12/16/2013 10:41 am : link
Yall still don’t get it. Nicks will “win” when this is all said and done. Just like Mario Manningham is winning….and we thought he was crazy for not wanting to be here. Didn’t manningham say that the reason he left was because teams rarely win back to back titles. Well, since that statement, we’ve missed the playoffs twice.

Instead of questioning will be here next year, start questioning why in the heck he’d want to be here next year. This team is a mess, starting from top to bottom. Eli is on the decline in a major way and unless he becomes friends with some HGH, his best days are behind him. Nicks will get to pick a good/great situation next year with possible cheaper state taxes, better winters, less media, a better QB….the list goes on. Point is…NICKS WON!
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jakedege : 12/16/2013 10:53 am : link
In comment 11398631 jeff57 said:
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2 were underthrown and 1 was behind him. So, yes, it's Nicks' fault.


seattle's receivers made plays on poorly thrown balls all day yesterday, or at the very least broke them up.
They weren't up against Richard Sherman  
jeff57 : 12/16/2013 10:56 am : link
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I am very disappointed.  
Matt M. : 12/16/2013 11:05 am : link
It is ahrd to determine sometimes if he is half-assing some plays or if he legitimately lost a step. But, besides the lack of game breaking plays, he has had a lot of drops this year on balls he normally does and should catch.
Nicks  
AcidTest : 12/16/2013 11:19 am : link
wants out. Has for a while. I though he was injured, and he might be, but I think he just wants to get to FA, even at reduced value. Getting out is the most important thing to him now IMO. Just leave what he sees as a sinking ship. I saw him smiling a lot yesterday, and running poor routes.
Nicks  
old man : 12/16/2013 11:32 am : link
will likely take less money than we think,just to get out of town.
I am disappointed in him.

He's been 'aw shucks'-ing(in a very negative way) since that first injury in '12.

I wish him well, even if it's in Carolina, but just want to add:
Thanks Hakeem. He doesnt deserve a goodbye thread.
Probably an over-reaction, but I would have cut him this morning.  
Peter from CT : 12/16/2013 11:34 am : link
I thought he was going to be an all-time Giant. But there is something so wrong with him as a football player and frankly, as a teammate, right now.
Sad  
NJGiantFan84 : 12/16/2013 11:34 am : link
thing is that I think he'll still have a great career. I think he was hurt that the Giants did not extend his contract prior to this season and now he just wants out. He is useless for us right now, so I don't even think he gets a competitive offer from the Giants. He'll end up a very good player somewhere else.

very disappointed and surprised. I thought he was THE guy. He looks  
Victor in CT : 12/16/2013 11:38 am : link
like a shell of his former self.

And taterbug, Manningham left for one reason :MONEY. SF was willing to pay more.
definitely cut him  
hitdog42 : 12/16/2013 11:42 am : link
i mean how did he not bat down the underthrown terribly placed balls. if you cant help keep Eli's rookiel level INTs down to help his future HOF candidacy i want you off the team!
the disgust over nicks should be about his inability to make big plays to put points on the board... about his drops early in the season, about his conduct in the offseason losing valuable reps, and about his moping at times.
we should NOT have threads all day about him because your QB made AWFUL TERRIBLE throws yesterday. he jumped on the 3rd one, the throw was just THAT bad and THAT late. the first one was a BAD throw that the biggest most physical DB was in great position to get. adn the one over the middle, when viewed from the angle behind the LOS, was such a bad throw he has no shot at it.
maybe if he frowned instead of smiled when the opponent was likely reminding them how much they suck towards the end of the game, we would think his effort was more.
RE: definitely cut him  
Victor in CT : 12/16/2013 11:49 am : link
In comment 11398974 hitdog42 said:
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i mean how did he not bat down the underthrown terribly placed balls. if you cant help keep Eli's rookiel level INTs down to help his future HOF candidacy i want you off the team!
the disgust over nicks should be about his inability to make big plays to put points on the board... about his drops early in the season, about his conduct in the offseason losing valuable reps, and about his moping at times.
we should NOT have threads all day about him because your QB made AWFUL TERRIBLE throws yesterday. he jumped on the 3rd one, the throw was just THAT bad and THAT late. the first one was a BAD throw that the biggest most physical DB was in great position to get. adn the one over the middle, when viewed from the angle behind the LOS, was such a bad throw he has no shot at it.
maybe if he frowned instead of smiled when the opponent was likely reminding them how much they suck towards the end of the game, we would think his effort was more.


1) Nicks is a UFA after the season

2) I don't think anyone is blaming Nicks for Eli's poor performance, but Nicks for whatever reason just seems to have lost his explosiveness and strength. He seems weak on the ball,and doesnt have that next gear anymore. I wonder if there really is an injury because he doesn't look even remotely like the 2011 Nicks.
i agree with your #2  
hitdog42 : 12/16/2013 11:52 am : link
entirely.
Fuc% him  
NNJ Tom : 12/16/2013 11:58 am : link
He is dead to me. Bench his sorry ass the last two games.
MM will be back  
NYG007 : 12/16/2013 12:20 pm : link
He can be had, and for pretty cheap as well, 1/5th of what Nicks wants.
Early on, Nicks had more upside  
81_Great_Dane : 12/16/2013 12:22 pm : link
than any Giants receiver I've seen, and I've been watching since the Tarkenton years. He looked like he had Hall of Fame potential. He hadn't performed at the very highest level (He was never at the level of Calvin Johnson, for example) but he was a beast during the last Super Bowl run and seemed to be ready to move up to that level.

But he's not close to that anymore. He's not that guy.

I wonder whether Victor Cruz's success bugs Nicks. Cruz has turned out to be the go-to guy, the reliable fan favorite. Nicks was the #1 pick, he was supposed to be the Man. Cruz is an UDFA.

Regarding the INTs, I can't argue they're Nicks's fault, BUT: Every WR in the league has to pick up his QB now and then. Not every ball will be perfect. If it's not perfect, you have to fight for it. You have to compete. It looks like Nicks has stopped competing. If the ball's right there, he'll catch it -- unless the DB outjumps him or outfights him. And if the ball's not right there, well, the ball wasn't right there.

He has no fire in his belly  
spike : 12/16/2013 12:24 pm : link
not anymore

GImme Dez Bryant any day.
Seems like  
Glover : 12/16/2013 12:44 pm : link
The psyche of the Giants players is much like Gilbride's offense. It's great when its hitting on all cylinders, and everyone is physically and mentally executing their assignments, but if just one part of the puzzle is off, it just looks like a total mess. The same seems true for the Giants collective psyche as a team. When things are going well, they rise to Super Bowl heights, even when they are the lesser team on paper, but when things go badly. and they start to lose, the once great players on the Giants play soft, of thoughtless, get beat and burnt. A few players, and I mean a few, buck the trend, and seem to still fight when things are bad: Cruz, and Rolle are first to come to mind, and there are others, but Nicks is definitely not one of them. You would think, just for selfish reasons that he would go absolutely crazy in a contract year to fight for every ball, and work on his craft so hard that he could be a brightspot in an otherwise dismal offense, but he hasnt done that. He has sunk with the tide of the rest of the offense. I thought his problems would only be injury related this season, and I also did not see an absolute implosion of the Giants offense either. Blame the O Line.
Eli's  
dep026 : 12/16/2013 12:47 pm : link
only dumb decisions were throwing to Nicks yesterday. Its pretty sad when a top WR gets 1 on 1s, and got shit on, continually.
RE: He has no fire in his belly  
jeff57 : 12/16/2013 12:48 pm : link
In comment 11399164 spike said:
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not anymore

GImme Dez Bryant any day.


I would, but he's left the stadium.
Notice him laughing it up  
UncleGrandpa : 12/16/2013 1:06 pm : link
....down 23-0 yesterday during the game? Nuff said...
?  
Doomster : 12/16/2013 1:26 pm : link
2 were underthrown and 1 was behind him. So, yes, it's Nicks' fault.

Nicks was one on one...perfect passes? No....but did it look like he made the effort to make the catch, especially on the slant?
He had the best corner in football on him  
jeff57 : 12/16/2013 1:27 pm : link
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I wsa giving him a break  
snumber6 : 12/16/2013 1:37 pm : link
believing some sort of medical problem was causing his poor play this year ... I'm done with him ... He shows no spunk - no fire ... totally unlike his previous years here ...
If he's just going through motions so as not to hurt himself hoping some dumb team will pay him big bucks next year - I think he's cost himself millions ... I know if I were a GM, I'd be very leery ... I would never believe it but I think now there's a lot of Jamarcus Russell in him ...

If Giants can't get Evans  
KeoweeFan : 12/16/2013 2:07 pm : link
who is somewhat similar in style to Nicks, then Sammy Watkins would be a smart, dependable receiver who could really excel; but may even be better in a a different scheme where you could get the ball to him in space (and not depend on passes 30 yards down field); he has excellent YAC.. He might also be a multipurpose offensive weapon (returns etc.)
I'm trying to think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 12/16/2013 2:25 pm : link
of what incentive Nicks has to not compete hard, given it's a contract year.

The only thing I can think of is that he doesn't care so much about getting the most money possible, just that he'll get a contract with enough guaranteed money to ensure that he never has to work a day in his life when he retires. So he doesn't care about his production this year, only that he is still able to be a football player.

Other than that, it doesn't make any sense for him to loaf and so maybe he really does have a crippling injury or that he just lost his speed and explosiveness.
maybe he is hurt  
HomerJones45 : 12/16/2013 2:54 pm : link
he looks like he has lost acceleration and speed.

"Fighting for the ball" is an attempt to save Eli from poor throws. Nicks would have had to go through the DB to catch the throw up the sideline. It was thrown to the inside when Nicks had the outside.

On the int over the middle, the ball was thrown behind Nicks. How much was he supposed to be able to fight when his momentum is away from the poorly thrown ball.

I think Nicks has some physical limitations and he allowed his contract situation to eat at him. This is supposed to be his contract year and he is forced into a different role and having to try and catch passes from the scattergun. He's not helping himself or the team this season.
Homer Jones  
jeff57 : 12/16/2013 2:59 pm : link
Since, according to some, it's never Eli's fault, Nicks is supposed to have 20 foot arms and eyes in the back of his head.
Whether it is here or  
Rick5 : 12/16/2013 3:08 pm : link
somewhere else, he sure played himself out of a lot of future money this yea.
year.  
Rick5 : 12/16/2013 3:09 pm : link
..
Keowee  
LPete : 12/16/2013 3:14 pm : link
There are plenty of talented wrs in the upcoming draft, not just Watkins & Evans. I really like the guy out of Vanderbilt, mathews
I hate to guess  
geemanfan : 12/16/2013 3:34 pm : link
But I think he was one of the guys Rolle was speaking about at the end of the game.
Nicks mailed in the season...  
Torrag : 12/16/2013 3:43 pm : link
...I'm convinced he and his agent wanted to stay healthy for his free agent market. So he didn't go all out or put himself in harms way.

Has his lack of production done more harm than say another serious leg injury to his value on the open market? Only time will tell but he let his team and the fans down this year.
What did you all want Nicks to do?  
oldutican : 12/16/2013 3:57 pm : link
So the consensus is Nicks failed Eli and the Giants by not "competing" on 3 passes to him that were intercepted. Attached is a video with all 5 picks in the game. Please watch it and tell me if you still think the problem is Nicks.
The ints - ( New Window )
Nicks  
Bleedin Blue : 12/16/2013 4:03 pm : link
has not only taken himself out of the game but his other receivers also! I'm not saying the int's are on him, what I am saying is his lack of effort for pretty much the entire year has taken Cruz out of the game pretty much also. When defenses don't have to worry about Nicks, they can keep Cruz in check. Think back to when Plax shot himself off of this team, offensively we sputtered because he was our#1 and didn't have to worry about him hurting them!
oldutican  
hitdog42 : 12/16/2013 4:12 pm : link
I cant wait to hear the commentary on the video you posted... the double pump on the last one after he was open for a back cone throw. hitting sherman in stride on the first one... the crossing route is low,slow, and more to the defender given how soft its thrown because its another back foot high risk low reward throw.
amazing... cant believe he showed no effort on those... what a joke people here are.
the argument is whether he is worth signing/paying... based on weak performance this season. but good lord. the amount of stupid on here.
RE: oldutican  
oldutican : 12/16/2013 4:19 pm : link
In comment 11399840 hitdog42 said:
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I cant wait to hear the commentary on the video you posted... the double pump on the last one after he was open for a back cone throw. hitting sherman in stride on the first one... the crossing route is low,slow, and more to the defender given how soft its thrown because its another back foot high risk low reward throw.
amazing... cant believe he showed no effort on those... what a joke people here are.
the argument is whether he is worth signing/paying... based on weak performance this season. but good lord. the amount of stupid on here.


There is a group think here that loves to find scapegoats.
From a QBs perspective...  
dep026 : 12/16/2013 4:19 pm : link
http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2022470255_millen16xml.html

Again, if Nicks isnt wide open or it lands in his lap, he cant catch it. You're right - it is Eli's fault. he should never throw the lazy, overrated bum the ball anymore. He cant get open, he cant fight for the ball, and he gets outmuscled. Nicks should be RGIII for the rest of the year.
I guess Eli didn't read Matt Millen today  
oldutican : 12/16/2013 4:23 pm : link
From his presser today
Q: Was there a throw that you would like to have back in one of your interceptions?

A: Probably the little short crossing route to Hakeem was the one that was behind him. That was probably the one that I thought was the poorest throw of the day.
The one that hit him in the hands  
dep026 : 12/16/2013 4:25 pm : link
where it looks like Nicks dogged it on the route. Seems about right.
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oldutican : 12/16/2013 4:34 pm : link
In comment 11399887 dep026 said:
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where it looks like Nicks dogged it on the route. Seems about right.


Watch the damn play. I posted it.
RE: RE: oldutican  
Bleedin Blue : 12/16/2013 4:34 pm : link
In comment 11399868 oldutican said:
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In comment 11399840 hitdog42 said:


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I cant wait to hear the commentary on the video you posted... the double pump on the last one after he was open for a back cone throw. hitting sherman in stride on the first one... the crossing route is low,slow, and more to the defender given how soft its thrown because its another back foot high risk low reward throw.
amazing... cant believe he showed no effort on those... what a joke people here are.
the argument is whether he is worth signing/paying... based on weak performance this season. but good lord. the amount of stupid on here.



There is a group think here that loves to find scapegoats.


Poor throws, poor effort and good defensive plays! the play to end the half was a hail mary and the only one I will excuse! I see all 3 factors involved in each int.
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dep026 : 12/16/2013 4:50 pm : link
In comment 11399911 oldutican said:
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In comment 11399887 dep026 said:


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where it looks like Nicks dogged it on the route. Seems about right.



Watch the damn play. I posted it.


If nicks ran full speed (forget running a lazy route like Millen suggests) he is slow as molasses.

Again I blame eli. Should never even look at his way. Remember that big play nicks made this year? I sure as hell don't. Hes remembered for the following things this year.

1. Smiling on sidelines in blowouts.
2. Not being able to throw himself the ball when covered.
3. Celebrating a hail Mary TD - 7 yards short of the goaline.
4. Taking himself out of a game when insode the red zone.
5. Quitting on routes... especially the philly game.
the last int - nicks actually had  
Neverend : 12/16/2013 5:03 pm : link
a great release, that was an incredible play by sherman
RE: what's  
Arcanum : 12/16/2013 5:43 pm : link
In comment 11398571 Eric from BBI said:
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weird is he is still coming off like a great guy in media interviews.

But since early on in the season, there have been a number of plays where he just looks like he is half-assing it.

I don't get it. People like Paul Dottino have hinted at an injury but an injury wouldn't cause him to just quit like he did against the Eagles.


Hell, try preseason. He showed in preseason, what kind of year he was going to have.
Nicks was never the same after that Tampa Bay game.  
Gmen703 : 12/16/2013 11:09 pm : link
His drop off really just boggles my mind. At least we have the memories.


Nicks highlights - ( New Window )
For the record  
nyynyg : 12/16/2013 11:32 pm : link
Aside from Nicks smiling a number of times yesterday when his team was getting trucked which really pissed me, I am not really going at him for his performance yesterday. Yesterday was on Eli all the way in my view, I felt every int was on him yesterday.

Every throw was off. 5 ints and getting his WR crushed. The guy just had a downright awful day.

Regarding Nicks, it is more the collective lack of production and his lazy approach this season that really showed something be off to ranging to "I don't care, I am counting the days" attitude. As Eric said, the writing was on the wall for this in the pre-season.

yep very  
RasputinPrime : 12/17/2013 2:18 am : link
I loved him prior to this year but I can't even remember a single big play he has made this entire season. I recall Murphy and Jernigan more than Nicks. That shouldn't be even possible with his talent level - injured or not. Real shame.
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