take CJ Mosley which I'd be thrilled with. He has 4 QBs in the first round, all within the first 6 picks including UCF's Blake Bortles to Oakland. Mack goes 8th to Minny. Needs ESPN Insider Membership - ( New Window )
So they're taking an ILB with Beason almost certainly on the roster
Really? I didn't know that Beason is the 2nd coming of Harry Carson. He is a good player and I like him, but let's not get carried away. He is not great.
If they haven't addressed the offensive line in free agency,
And for the record - Beason is a hell of a lot better than just "good". Horrible take on a guy who instantly made the defense much better in the midst of its defensive backfield being decimated and continued sub par performance from pass rushers.
be getting another pick in the first round, and it better be an OL.I know we'd probably have to trade Cruz to do that(since who else is marketable for a #1)and that likely won't happen.
OR, unless we grab 2 young veteran OL FAs (AMack, and DeLaP?/Guard).
1. Mosley can play outside, so he doesn't necessarily compete with Beason.
2. I doubt the Giants draft an OT, as Matthews will likely be gone and he's the only I think they see as justifying sitting/cutting Beatty. I think Pugh stays at RT.
3. They will not take an OG or OC in the 1st unless they trade down. Neither Richardson nor Yankey merit pick #11 and none of the OCs are 1st rd. material.
in the draft before the season is over. The Titans play the Jags -- either the Titans improve to 6-9 or the Jags improve to 5-10, and I think the Jags have a slightly stronger SOS than we do. Hopefully Buffalo wins another game, and if the Skins beat Dallas this week (unlikely) and then us in the finale (more likely), we can finish with identical records.
Of course, I'm counting on us losing the last 2 games.
You do realize there has to be someone else willing to trade up to that specific spot, correct? Trading down is not always an option, unless you are willing to accept a below market deal.
and scooping up another second round pick makes a lot of sense. The best scenario to make that happen is if there's a QB available when the Giants pick, say at 11. A team like Arizona, picking at 20, could want someone like Blake Bortles and might be worried that a team in between, like the Jets, might take him.
C.J. Mosley... Let me think... NO, for the love of GOD, no. So many needs and there are even better ILB's that the Giants can draft at late as the third and maybe even the fourth round. Would rather have Shayne Skov, Chris Borland, Smallwood or even Bullought over Mosley. The Giants would do better if they wait.
RE: McShay must be playing a joke on the Giants fans?
absolutely need help on the O-Line, you have to figure Beatty (based on contract)& Pugh are the starting tackles next year. Would they draft an OG or Center in the 1st rd that high?
a guy like Mack may be our best bet for some pass-rush help. Hopefully our DC would be creative enough to use him as both a LB and a rusher (Von Miller in Den comes to mind)
will not take an OL that high. They are all about measureables speed and size ratios. Thats why we have had lousy drafts for the past five years. Maybe this year they get told different from higher up.
I've seen him mocked a lot in the 17-25 range, however Justin Gilbert is very intriguing at CB for OK State. The only Defensive player I would draft in round 1 would be CB or LB, Ryan Shazier in round 2 would help a lot but I think we would have to trade up a little bit as he typically is mocked in the top of rd 2. I would like to get a LT and just cut bait on Beatty move on from a mistake. I am usually one to hate the trade down scenerio but I feel there is a lot of OT available this yr in Mathews, Greg Robinson (Auburn), Cameron Erving (FSU), Taylor Lewman (Michigan), Cyrus Kouandjio (Bama) So in a perfect world we could trade down grab any of the OT not named Mathews and get Ryan Shazier with our first 2 picks.
I am aware but that was at #19 and we thought we were secure at DE, in the secondary and WR. Now that does not look that way. Reese came up under Accorsi who felt Ol should never be taken high.
and hopefully we do and we take Mosley over other players then that probably means they think the guy has perrenial Pro Bowl potential. If it turns out he does then that makes us that much better as a team.
elite WR and CB talent in this draft, we might end up picking a guy who's got good potential but not the superstar potential we'd ideally be looking for drafting high. The best thing that could happen to this franchise is to lose the next couple of games and sneak back into the top 10.
that emphasizes some positions much much more than others and in investing in those positions, we might overlook guys who're simply better than the positional players we draft. For instance, I happen to think CJ Mosley is a much better football player than Dennard or Gilbert. The latter has lockdown potential but has had an up and down career. But given our general priorities I think we'd draft the CB. I really do hope we can slice I to the top ten, have some teams fall in love with the QB's and have a shot at Watkins, who, in my view, is an actual superstar type talent.
Not really sure there's a wrong pick we can make. We need help everywhere. WR, CB, G, C, TE, LB, DE...
I'd go pure value there, but most likely WR, CB or DE, then go after the best interior lineman available in the 2nd, hopefully snag a TE in the 3rd who can contribute, then go after the best centre available in the 4th. The rest is a crapshoot. It's so difficult because with all the holes on the roster we're going to be walking away from players who could fill those holes, opting for another player to fill the other. The draft is going to be crazy this year without a doubt.
The team clearly needs a jolt to its pass rush but you don't need to draft a DE for that. A LB that has speed to get to the QB would help. Being overly optimistic a Damontre Moore that performs like he did in college, a JPP that returns to form, and resign Tuck for a reasonable contract and its not a bad rotation. Add some speed to LB and you improve your rush.
As for Mack isnt he more of a 3-4 OLB? I am tired of failed conversion projects.
I don't think it is implausible the Giants take an OT if he is BPA. They could keep Beatty while the new guy learns the ropes and cut Beatty a year or two later when the cap hit would be less. Unlikely probably. Implausible I dont think so.
Given how critical the OL is, I expect they will address it before the draft.
If you wanted to point to one unit in 2013 that was consistently poor, it was our OL.
I expect a center and guard to be taken, and one relatively high......plus another to be signed via free agency.
It's an offensive league....your most invested player is a QB who while good, can't do it alone via mobility and "athletic plays".
I expect them to look offense early and often in this draft.
I hope you're right. Eli didn't throw 25 INTs because the Giants D sucked. They've got to go O-line so teams like the Panthers, Cards, etc who exploit double A gap pressure don't get an unencumbered straight shot on pocket passers like Eli. Jake Matthews will be gone, but If JR can pick up Auburn's solid Greg Robinson then maybe he can justify cutting $nee and saving a boat load of cap. And Pugh proves starting rookie 1st round linemen can be done.
Last yer Mara ssaid aomething to the effect that the Giants run defense needed major improvement. He also said.the offensive line needed some help. Well, the Giantsdid afdress very well the run defense throwing alot f resources and it worked. On the OLine, they drafted Pugh and Hermann and did not bring in any free agents and that was clearly not enough and, in my mind, the biggest problem. I expect Mara to speak to the OLine deficiencies when he speaks.
I never thought they'd take a RB in rd 1 but they did.
have you not been paying attention to how this regime drafts? They'll seek to address the OL in Free Agency, resign Beason and spend those picks on DBs. That's how they operate.
draft Mosley if we plan to resign Beason. Mosley is a MLB and could be a very good one (all pro calibre). One or the other I am thinking not both on the same team in this defense.
1. Mosley can play outside, so he doesn't necessarily compete with Beason.
2. I doubt the Giants draft an OT, as Matthews will likely be gone and he's the only I think they see as justifying sitting/cutting Beatty. I think Pugh stays at RT.
3. They will not take an OG or OC in the 1st unless they trade down. Neither Richardson nor Yankey merit pick #11 and none of the OCs are 1st rd. material.
If Mosley is that good, he has to be considered if he can play well outside. Mosley can get to the QB which is something our LBs cannot do.
I usually disagree about going LB in round one but with our anemic pass rush and shit backers besides Beason, Mosley might make a huge difference right from game #1.
RE: So they're taking an ILB with Beason almost certainly on the roster
The team clearly needs a jolt to its pass rush but you don't need to draft a DE for that. A LB that has speed to get to the QB would help. Being overly optimistic a Damontre Moore that performs like he did in college, a JPP that returns to form, and resign Tuck for a reasonable contract and its not a bad rotation. Add some speed to LB and you improve your rush.
As for Mack isnt he more of a 3-4 OLB? I am tired of failed conversion projects.
I don't think it is implausible the Giants take an OT if he is BPA. They could keep Beatty while the new guy learns the ropes and cut Beatty a year or two later when the cap hit would be less. Unlikely probably. Implausible I dont think so.
Given how critical the OL is, I expect they will address it before the draft.
Mack can play either 3/4 or 4/3. I would pick him. We need anb impact player in the first round, so drafting for need (OL) so early could be a mistake, no interior OL are justified to be drafted in top 10
I could live with the pick. The guy is a real leader on D.
But as I said earlier, that can go anywhere but QB with the pick and fill a need. My preference is still to bolster the OL and DL first.
Really? I didn't know that Beason is the 2nd coming of Harry Carson. He is a good player and I like him, but let's not get carried away. He is not great.
I just don't see how they can skip a need like that in the first round.
I just don't see how they can skip a need like that in the first round.
The draft's not till May now. That should spare you a couple of weeks of pain.
They need offense or a DE, and they need it now.
Eli is not getting any younger. The offense needs help desperately
Reese will go after a DB.
And for the record - Beason is a hell of a lot better than just "good". Horrible take on a guy who instantly made the defense much better in the midst of its defensive backfield being decimated and continued sub par performance from pass rushers.
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Well said AT!
OR, unless we grab 2 young veteran OL FAs (AMack, and DeLaP?/Guard).
Yes. But I think with a win over Washington, 10-12 is likely. If they finish 5-11, probably 8-10.
2. I doubt the Giants draft an OT, as Matthews will likely be gone and he's the only I think they see as justifying sitting/cutting Beatty. I think Pugh stays at RT.
3. They will not take an OG or OC in the 1st unless they trade down. Neither Richardson nor Yankey merit pick #11 and none of the OCs are 1st rd. material.
Of course, I'm counting on us losing the last 2 games.
You're kidding, right? Please tell me you're joking.
any position.
Assuming JPP ever stops playing like dogshit, perhaps.
There won't be.
just take someone who won't BUST!
Nevertheless, we need both so unless there is a ton of good free agent Interior Lineman available, we need to go O-line.
If you wanted to point to one unit in 2013 that was consistently poor, it was our OL.
I expect a center and guard to be taken, and one relatively high......plus another to be signed via free agency.
It's an offensive league....your most invested player is a QB who while good, can't do it alone via mobility and "athletic plays".
I expect them to look offense early and often in this draft.
And depending upon how he looks in camp do some type of shuffling of Beatty, Pugh and get the rookie in there playing.
Not ideal for 2014 but maybe ideal for our future.
However, rounds two and three need to be looked at hard in regards to the interior line.
Not sexy picks, but you could see this year how our car broke down when the engine wasn't operating...............
The years when they have us taking a TE?
OL can be had in free agency at a reasonable rate. The other positions cannot.
It's simple, you fix the OL in free agency and you use your picks in rd 1 and 2 to take the best available player at the other three positions.
CB, DE, WR are too expensive to sign anyone worth a damn.
I'd go pure value there, but most likely WR, CB or DE, then go after the best interior lineman available in the 2nd, hopefully snag a TE in the 3rd who can contribute, then go after the best centre available in the 4th. The rest is a crapshoot. It's so difficult because with all the holes on the roster we're going to be walking away from players who could fill those holes, opting for another player to fill the other. The draft is going to be crazy this year without a doubt.
As for Mack isnt he more of a 3-4 OLB? I am tired of failed conversion projects.
I don't think it is implausible the Giants take an OT if he is BPA. They could keep Beatty while the new guy learns the ropes and cut Beatty a year or two later when the cap hit would be less. Unlikely probably. Implausible I dont think so.
Given how critical the OL is, I expect they will address it before the draft.
If you wanted to point to one unit in 2013 that was consistently poor, it was our OL.
I expect a center and guard to be taken, and one relatively high......plus another to be signed via free agency.
It's an offensive league....your most invested player is a QB who while good, can't do it alone via mobility and "athletic plays".
I expect them to look offense early and often in this draft.
I hope you're right. Eli didn't throw 25 INTs because the Giants D sucked. They've got to go O-line so teams like the Panthers, Cards, etc who exploit double A gap pressure don't get an unencumbered straight shot on pocket passers like Eli. Jake Matthews will be gone, but If JR can pick up Auburn's solid Greg Robinson then maybe he can justify cutting $nee and saving a boat load of cap. And Pugh proves starting rookie 1st round linemen can be done.
2. I doubt the Giants draft an OT, as Matthews will likely be gone and he's the only I think they see as justifying sitting/cutting Beatty. I think Pugh stays at RT.
3. They will not take an OG or OC in the 1st unless they trade down. Neither Richardson nor Yankey merit pick #11 and none of the OCs are 1st rd. material.
If Mosley is that good, he has to be considered if he can play well outside. Mosley can get to the QB which is something our LBs cannot do.
I usually disagree about going LB in round one but with our anemic pass rush and shit backers besides Beason, Mosley might make a huge difference right from game #1.
As for Mack isnt he more of a 3-4 OLB? I am tired of failed conversion projects.
I don't think it is implausible the Giants take an OT if he is BPA. They could keep Beatty while the new guy learns the ropes and cut Beatty a year or two later when the cap hit would be less. Unlikely probably. Implausible I dont think so.
Given how critical the OL is, I expect they will address it before the draft.
Mack can play either 3/4 or 4/3. I would pick him. We need anb impact player in the first round, so drafting for need (OL) so early could be a mistake, no interior OL are justified to be drafted in top 10