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Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 11:19 am
In my opinion I believe at this moment the Giants Front Office is planning on bringing back Kevin Gilbride, (2 Superbowls, Tom's loyalty to KG, the system already in place with Eli, etc.)

However, if Dallas were not not make the playoffs and Jason Garrett is let go I could see a situation where maybe the Giants change their mind and possibly offer Garret the OC job. Jason has New York Giants ties with the organization and could be a fresh start in a position he thrived at before being a head coach.

I know that may not be the Giants way once they have decided to stay with KG but maybe this could be a decent move if they choose to rethink things.

no thanks  
Victor in CT : 12/19/2013 11:22 am : link
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If the Giants bring back Killdrive...  
Josh in the City : 12/19/2013 11:22 am : link
I just don't see Jerrah  
rebel yell : 12/19/2013 11:24 am : link
letting him go. He's the whipping boy and yes-man Jerrah dreams of having. I think he lasts another year whether Cowboys make the playoffs or not. Either way, I'm not sold on him being right for us.
Wouldn't mind seeing Garrett as OC  
jeff57 : 12/19/2013 11:28 am : link
The important thing though is to get rid of Gilbride.
I bet Coughlin would love nothing more  
Mike from Ohio : 12/19/2013 11:28 am : link
than an OC who gets fired for not running the ball enough even when it is working. That would match up nicely with his focus on maintaining balance.

If Gilbride and Garrett are both looking for jobs this off season I think there is virtually no chance Garrett ends up with the Giants.
Our running game is why our passing game (one of the big reasons)  
UConn4523 : 12/19/2013 11:30 am : link
blows. Garrett has a running game and ignores it in the most important part of games. Yeah, NO THANKS.
I could see it  
moespree : 12/19/2013 11:31 am : link
Ownership was/is very high on him in the past. In fact it's even been discussed here in the past that Garrett could emerge as a legit successor for Coughlin one day. If that line of thinking is indeed something ownership has thought about, then bringing him in as OC and getting him under contract is something that could very easily take place.
Yes  
sexymoves : 12/19/2013 11:34 am : link
I like his offense he would be fresh air for Eli and the team. I have waited ten years to see a Giants team run a well executed screen pass.
Callahan  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 11:37 am : link
likes to throw the ball around more than Garrett. And Callahan still has enough input despite Garrett takeing over some the play calling duties.
UConn, disagree completely.  
Randy in CT : 12/19/2013 11:37 am : link
Our silver-lining to the offense's cloud has been the running game. And the inconsistency in it shares a common theme with the passing game--the O-Line. Fix the line, figure out a certain WR's head, and formulate a more conservative passing game and the offense thrives.
Blue - I started a similar thread on Garrett a few weeks ago  
Jimmy Googs : 12/19/2013 11:39 am : link
about whether Giants would ever consider him as a HC candidate if and when the time for Coughlin is done. The reactions were actually mixed on BBI which I found surprising since I figured most would knee-jerk and say no.

I think Garrett has some nice qualities that would be a good fit for the Giants. But he does come with some huge question-marks too, and the latest is his game-calling ability with a lead or the game on the line.

However, many good coaches fail in their first attempt but learn from it and become successful thereafter. I think Garrett is going to be one of those guys.
Jason  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/19/2013 11:39 am : link
Garrett would probably be a good influence on Eli just like was for Kerry Collins.
Garett's father Jim  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 11:40 am : link
besides being a Giants coach during the 70's was also inducted into the Rutherford (NJ) High School Hall of Fame.
Googs  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 11:48 am : link
Looks like a mixed bag on this thread too. Everyone on that Cowboys offense (Callahan, Romo, Garrett) has to take responsibilty for the lack of balance in the 2nd half last week.

My main reason for this discussion is just what Eric had just mentioned. Could be a breath of fresh air with some new ideas and a less of maybe such a complicated offense.

The one thing you can say good about the Cowboys is that they seem to plug receivers into their system and they do fairly well, Miles Austin,Kevin Ogeltree etc.
Foreskins?  
trueblueinpw : 12/19/2013 11:53 am : link
I think he's a good fit for Danny's R-word team. Pretty sure they'll be looking for an O minded HC.
Garrett would be an asset to Giants imo  
Jimmy Googs : 12/19/2013 12:01 pm : link
Smart, QB background, offensive-minded, understands NFC East teams. I wouldn't even hesitate to give him a job although not sure what that title would be just yet.

However, the dynamics of switching from Cowboys to Giants and the uncertainty of own coaching staff going forward just make this scenario seem unplausible.

Garrett getting fired from Dallas is an absolutely possible though. Jones has that "grass is always greener" personality and while he may say he is sticking with Garrett, a few scotches later he could be making phone calls with his replacement.

Add to that, Garrett was a smart QB (from Princeton)  
KeoweeFan : 12/19/2013 12:02 pm : link
Maybe he and Eli could parallel Elway and Peyton.
I could see Jason using Dallas as a learning experience (see Belichick with the Browns).
I believe he could be successful as a head coach in the NFL for a long time.
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arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 12:03 pm : link
I would be totally in favor of Garrett as OC. I think he's a good offensive coach.
If Dallas misses the playoff (likely),  
MOOPS : 12/19/2013 12:13 pm : link
I see Garrett being ousted by Jerry. Not a bad guy, but I don't really want him in NY. His brain tends to go into overload mode at the most inopportune times.
If Garrett does go, watch for John Gruden in Dallas.
ummm did anyone advocating for him watch the 2nd half Sunday?  
Giants11 : 12/19/2013 12:14 pm : link
you guys freak out about Gilbride passing too much? I realize Callahan is the OC there, but you know Garret has some say as to the play calling. The 2nd half play calling abandoning the run Sunday when Murray was gashing GB all over the place was an atrocity and basically cost them the game.
I don't agree with some peoples 'the grass is always greener" theology  
PatersonPlank : 12/19/2013 12:15 pm : link
What exactly has Garret ever done? Has he ever been successful? Gilbride as 2 SB rings, and has built to very prolific offenses in Houston and NY. Hat Gilbride all you want, but you can not just discredit anyone's success.
Great thought  
HomerJones45 : 12/19/2013 12:21 pm : link
let's dump the guy who was OC for two Super Bowls going toe to toe with one of the great defensive minds ever in football in favor of someone who has never done shit.

Tell me again about the "knowledgeable" NY fanbase.
,  
arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 12:22 pm : link
The Cowboys didn't lose to GB because of ANYTHING on the offensive side of the football. They lost because they have the absolute worst defense in football and couldn't stop Matt Flynn from dropping close to 40 on them.
PP - you are right that Garrett does not come with  
Jimmy Googs : 12/19/2013 12:24 pm : link
a resume of championships, and sometimes change just for the sake of change is not the right strategy.

But we cannot stay the course for next season. Something has to be done to alter the path of the team.
Right on cue, the "two rings" argument comes out.  
bceagle05 : 12/19/2013 12:31 pm : link
Amazing how 45 other teams managed to win Super Bowls without Gilbride. One of life's great mysteries.
Big YES  
spike : 12/19/2013 12:31 pm : link
for Jason Garrett.

He has a future with the Giants.
Homer  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 12:37 pm : link
I am not even advocating either way to keep or get rid of KG.
All Giants fans can agree that we owe KG alot of credit for those 2 Superbowl victories along with the playoff runs we made. Outstanding game plans with Coughlin and his staff.

I think the fans on this thread that would like to see a change may just want to see something new, a fresh start to possibly ignite this offense. Yes, the offensive line is a mess but it can't all go on them either.


My belief is Coughlin coaches another 2-3 years and they are not
going to bring in a new OC that is a lame duck and the new HC 3 years from now brings in his own staff.

Arc that's ridiculous  
Giants11 : 12/19/2013 12:40 pm : link
part of being a good football mind is realizing that your defenses sucks and I don't know maybe RUN the damn ball a bit when you are running it down their throats the whole first half to keep said defense off the field?
Yes, I would be happy with that move  
ZogZerg : 12/19/2013 12:41 pm : link
I think he would really help Eli.
I'll be watching the status of Mike Sullivan  
JonC : 12/19/2013 12:43 pm : link
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RE: Arc that's ridiculous  
arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 12:47 pm : link
In comment 11405238 Giants11 said:
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part of being a good football mind is realizing that your defenses sucks and I don't know maybe RUN the damn ball a bit when you are running it down their throats the whole first half to keep said defense off the field?


Dallas put 36 points on the board and you want to blame the coach for playcalling? Doesn't make much sense to me.

And apparently the last INT Romo threw was a run call that he checked out of. If Romo changes the call, how is that Garrett's fault?
If Garrett is so smart, how come he makes so many mistakes as a coach?  
Red Dog : 12/19/2013 12:48 pm : link
No thanks.
Garrett looks as if  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 12:52 pm : link
he has a tough time mangaing the game and playcalling, he may be just better suited to be an OC.
Garrett's a good  
Ash : 12/19/2013 12:53 pm : link
offensive coach who's produced well in pretty tough circumstances. I'd be very happy bringing him on board here if Gilbride's gone.
Arc  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 12:53 pm : link
great point.. You can't put it all on Garrett. And that defense let's them down time and time again.
you can't assess these games in a vacuum  
Giants11 : 12/19/2013 1:01 pm : link
36 points is great. However last time I checked the idea is to win the game. Romo checking out of that one play is one play. The bottom line is the offensive philosophy of the 2nd half was a joke. Frankly they were extremely lucky to get the last TD that made it 36. The RT false started and they called it offsides on a big 3rd down, Romo threw what was basically an INT that barely touched the ground and Bryant made a super human grab in the endzone on a pass thrown up for grabs. This has been a recurring theme with Dallas going back years to when Garrett was in charge of the play calling. They have never ever committed to the run. Garrett? No thanks.
Garrett does get very pass happy  
JonC : 12/19/2013 1:02 pm : link
In general, his ties to NYG and his NFL pedigree are enough to suggest he's worth a look as an OC, imv.

But, Sullivan could step right in to playcall TC's offense as OC.
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arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 1:12 pm : link
We're talking about him as an OC, no?

3 teams in football have scored more points than the Cowboys this year. That's it. Results are results.

If you want to nitpick and say he doesn't run the ball enough, I guess go ahead. But that team is scoring PLENTY of points. Their defense is beyond bad.
RE: Garrett does get very pass happy  
Ash : 12/19/2013 1:19 pm : link
In comment 11405303 JonC said:
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In general, his ties to NYG and his NFL pedigree are enough to suggest he's worth a look as an OC, imv.

But, Sullivan could step right in to playcall TC's offense as OC.


Jon, the question is do we keep wanting to stick so faithfully to TC's O? It obviously works beautifully when everything's a charm, but the NFL is a violent, brutal league and the best teams are often the best risk managers, that is, best absorb non-QB injuries.
Ash  
JonC : 12/19/2013 1:21 pm : link
I, for one, am ready to move on and change systems. I would be surprised if the regime pulls the trigger, however.
Then that would be an indictment of  
Ash : 12/19/2013 1:24 pm : link
the organization. We've won two SB's and that's wonderful, but often the difference between winning and losing a SB is a bit of luck. Let's say Tyree doesn't make that catch, do we now view the whole thing differently? This isn't to play fast and loose with counterfactuals, but rather a sober view at the sorts of risks we commit ourselves to when sticking with this offense. I don't think TC needs to go; in fact, I think it's fine if he stays, but if this is his offense, then I think he needs to bring in someone with fresh, new ideas because we still have a bit of talent on this roster, even if the cupboard is closer to bare than it is to fully stocked.
Although you could say Gilbride  
Simms11 : 12/19/2013 1:26 pm : link
has been good for a number of years here, the last two have been mostly headscratchers. Some of the playcalling has been horrendous. Redzone has been very bad and his adjustments have not translated into successful play. Time for new philosophy, schemes, etc.
Ash  
JonC : 12/19/2013 1:27 pm : link
You get no arguments from me, dude. At the very least, it's time to swap out coordinators, Quinn, and whomever else.
it may not be now  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 1:43 pm : link
but I believe that someday Garrett will be with the Giants organization in some capacity. Working in Dallas has with no GM has not helped his case.
RE: Ash  
Ash : 12/19/2013 1:44 pm : link
In comment 11405345 JonC said:
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You get no arguments from me, dude. At the very least, it's time to swap out coordinators, Quinn, and whomever else.


Haha sorry Jon, I was venting there, since I know we're on the same page. It's frustrating to see us rely on a super streaky system when we've got an incredibly streaky QB too.
Ash  
JonC : 12/19/2013 1:53 pm : link
I tried to reach you via Eric, can you email him?
Eric....  
kinard : 12/19/2013 1:56 pm : link
... not only Kerry Collins, but have you ever heard Troy Aikman talk about what an important factor Garrett was in his development? During his Hall of Fame induction speech, Aikman singled out Garret as being a huge "behind the scenes" part of the Cowboys success in the 90s.

Wouldn't mind Garrett at all chirping in Eli's ear....
Randy  
UConn4523 : 12/19/2013 1:56 pm : link
we are in agreement. Obviously the Oline needs to be fixed. But the question was Garrett and my response is no since he has no idea how to utilize the running game.
RE: Ash  
Ash : 12/19/2013 1:58 pm : link
In comment 11405392 JonC said:
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I tried to reach you via Eric, can you email him?


Yup, shot him an email. Look forward to hearing from you.

Ash
Yes, let's dismiss Garrett as a possibility.  
Exit 172 : 12/19/2013 2:02 pm : link
God forbid we have a guy who knows how to coach an offense to score 30+ in many games, get receivers wide open, and stick with what works instead of being enslaved to "balance." And to do all that despite being burdened with a 4th-quarter choke artist under center.

Garrett would be a great OC for the Giants. But it won't happen.
kinard  
Blue Bleeder : 12/19/2013 2:03 pm : link
That is quite an endorsement.
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arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 2:09 pm : link
Dallas and New Orleans are #3 and #4 in % of pass plays this year. New England is 10th. They all pass on 60+% of their plays. I think balance is ok if it works but it's clearly not vital for productive offense.
Are there any other coaches out there  
Gman11 : 12/19/2013 3:50 pm : link
that haven't accomplished anything that you also like to bring in?
RE: Are there any other coaches out there  
Jimmy Googs : 12/19/2013 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11405648 Gman11 said:
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that haven't accomplished anything that you also like to bring in?


No...just Garrett. Did you have someone in mind?
RE: Are there any other coaches out there  
arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 4:31 pm : link
In comment 11405648 Gman11 said:
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that haven't accomplished anything that you also like to bring in?


Jon Gruden won a Super Bowl in TB.. let's hire him!

Past accomplishments really don't mean much in this discussion. Coughlin hadn't won anything as an NFL HC yet when we hired him, either. He had some good Jags teams that got close but couldn't get to the SB and seal the deal.
RE: Yes  
Matt M. : 12/19/2013 4:33 pm : link
In comment 11405059 sexymoves said:
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I like his offense he would be fresh air for Eli and the team. I have waited ten years to see a Giants team run a well executed screen pass.


really? Ten years? They ran a very nice screen with Bradshaw at least once a game.
Gilbride sure went "toe-to-toe" with Belichick  
Exit 172 : 12/19/2013 4:33 pm : link
when the Giants hung 3 points on the Pats entering the 4th quarter of Super Bowl 42.

I bet Garret could have doubled that! 6 points!
No  
Arcanum : 12/19/2013 6:22 pm : link
F'in way!! I can't imagine seeing his stupid smile on our sideline.
Hell yes, it's a no brainer  
JoefromPa : 12/19/2013 6:59 pm : link
Garret has a much better resume than Gilbride as a coach in this league.

And Coughlin should be replaced with Bill Cowher for the same reason

160 yards and 2 td's  
HomerJones45 : 12/19/2013 7:04 pm : link
in the 4th quarter against Little Bill to win the Super Bowl.

Probably nothing compared to the great Garrett, right.
Cowboys  
540NYFAN : 12/19/2013 7:48 pm : link
Score lots of points. Yay!
I love how people mock it..  
arcarsenal : 12/19/2013 7:50 pm : link
As if it's not the entire fucking point of playing offense.
Are you suggesting...  
silverfox : 12/20/2013 6:03 am : link
That some owners fire coaches for not performing up to expectations..?...noooooo!
Garrett...  
Zepp : 12/20/2013 6:04 am : link
looks to be one of those coaches in the Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, Spags, Buddy Ryan mode....great Coordinators but lousy head coaches. Garrett might actually work. Even though hes had an awful year I trust Eli to audible out of a shitty play call more than I do Romo.
Change  
BBSB Times 4 and Counting : 12/20/2013 11:48 pm : link
It's not always for the best. But knowing Gilbribe has been able to produce top ten offences several times during his tenure with the Giants. The fact is we live in the age of instant gratification. That being said the offences this season is unwatchable. Two years running of one of the worst red zone offences, can't call it green zone lately. I see changes coming, just not in 2014.
Garrett? You play to win the game.  
BleedBlueMan : 12/21/2013 10:43 am : link
Everybody want to blame Kevin for Eli's poor decisions, no running game, wide receivers that can get open other than Cruz, a line that can't block or execute a screen. This line can't sell a screen and that is something these guys learned in high school or should have learned. And the JPP of tight ends can't get on the field and if he does and plays like his name sake it won't matter much. How about a running back that can stay healthy and when healthy he hold on to the darn ball.
Kevin knows what he is doing and he has given us 4-400+ point years since 2007 when there were tight ends that could block, lineman that could sell a screen and protect the QB. If Kevin was the OC in Dallas they would be soooo much better off than with Garrett.
Pure and simple this is a player talent issue and not a coaching issue. At best, only 20% of our team is worth keeping in 2014. Don't blame the wrong guy for the offense's digression, dig a little deeper.
Kevin can do better and all he needs is better talent.
Garret  
BigBlueCane : 12/21/2013 10:47 am : link
as QB coach is much more likely IMO.
RE: .  
AnishPatel : 12/21/2013 12:37 pm : link
In comment 11405429 arcarsenal said:
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Dallas and New Orleans are #3 and #4 in % of pass plays this year. New England is 10th. They all pass on 60+% of their plays. I think balance is ok if it works but it's clearly not vital for productive offense.


Arc I'd hire him if he was available. I think he is a coach who would do better as a coordinator than HC. Even as a HC, maybe if he wasn't in Dallas he may do better. However as an OC, I think he can be really good.
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