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Eric from BBI : Admin : 12/29/2013 4:20 pm
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Seems like  
Torn Tendon : 12/29/2013 5:32 pm : link
Cruz has proven he can play wideout and is more than a slot guy during the past two years.

Sucks for him since he signed a "slot guy" contract. Perhaps a hold out brewing if Nicks leaves and Cruz becomes the #1?
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:33 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 47s
Nothing definitive from #Giants on Coughlin coming back for 2014, likely b/c there's very little doubt. Could get something official Mon

Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 1m
Giants were 7-4 in games in which Jon Beason played significant snaps.

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 2m
Jernigan's touchdown catch, by the way, came on "a route that Victor and Eli always run," Jernigan said.

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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:34 pm : link
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 1m
So at this moment, we know the Jets' head coach is coming back but not the Giants'.

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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:36 pm : link
trumcbride
2 minutes ago
We didn't have the season we expected to have but we finished strong! 7-3 in our last 10 games. I gave it my all today for this great organization & for my teammates! I'm truly blessed & honored to be a NY Giant! #Gmen #Giants

The idea that  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 12/29/2013 5:39 pm : link
this team has a "strength", as someone suggested (in reference to LJ and the DL), is ludicrous. There are no areas of strength on this team. It is the worst Giants team I have watched in more than fifty years.
RE: RE: Most will not agree, and I'll put together a longer post  
BigBlueBuff : 12/29/2013 5:41 pm : link
In comment 11419996 ed90631 said:
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In comment 11419879 BigBlueBuff said:


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explaining my feelings later, but that was a terrific coaching job to take a clearly undermanned and hurting team at 0-6 and come out with 7 wins. Of course, how they got to 0-6 is a problem, but everything after that was a great job.

They caught the Lions in a tailspin lost to any decent team they met. Beating crappy teams and losing to decent teams is what mediocre teams do best. It wasn't a great coaching job, just a reflection of the order of the schedule, tough up front, easy on the backside.

Many teams rolled over this season. The Giants, with the worst stay in the league did not despite not having the houses to complete with the best teams in the league. Perspective.
that touchdown  
MookGiants : 12/29/2013 5:41 pm : link
to Jernigan was same route Cruz scored week 1 in Dallas on
horses  
BigBlueBuff : 12/29/2013 5:42 pm : link
Not houses.
I think the Giants have a pretty good defense,  
81_Great_Dane : 12/29/2013 5:43 pm : link
despite Tuck being the only DE who had a good season. Beason helped a lot, Prince is emerging as a force at CB, the safeties were good. Their DTs are outstanding. If JPP ever gets close to his old form, and if Moore develops, they should be okay going forward.

They should shed almost half the offensive players on the roster. They were putrid on O most of the season.
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:43 pm : link
Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 43s
Antrel Rolle says he doesn't to play for any other head coach other than Tom Coughlin. Rolle explains ... "I want him back. I wouldnít want to play for anyone else. Heís an outstanding coach, heís even more of a phenomenal person. This is exactly what we need here in this locker room, I think itís been proven. We just got out to a real slow start. It had nothing at all to do with coach Coughlin, we got off to a slow start and started picking it up as time went on.'' #nyg

What teams rolled over this season?  
Kyle : 12/29/2013 5:44 pm : link
The Texans, Redskins, and .... ?

The Jaguars, Falcons, Bucs all improved as the season went on. The Browns have played decently all season.
re: the Browns  
Kyle : 12/29/2013 5:45 pm : link
As decently as a team with that quarterbacking situation can possibly play.
This team was bad but I've seen worse  
dpinzow : 12/29/2013 5:47 pm : link
2003, 1995-1996 come to mind. Too young for the 1970s, those teams were probably worse too
huh?  
sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:47 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 36s
Justin Pugh: "This is gonna be fuel to the fire." #NYG

RE: The idea that  
speedywheels : 12/29/2013 5:50 pm : link
In comment 11420175 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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this team has a "strength", as someone suggested (in reference to LJ and the DL), is ludicrous. There are no areas of strength on this team. It is the worst Giants team I have watched in more than fifty years.


Did you sleep through the 70's?

And the DL run defense is absolutely a strength - take a look at the stats of some of the RB opponents....
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:51 pm : link
Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 12s
Quote from Terrell Thomas that I don't know what to make of: "I'm very humbled. I'm very proud of myself."

why would he not know what to make of it  
lalalalala : 12/29/2013 5:52 pm : link

stupid writers, that TT is playing is a borderline miracle, and that he survived an entire season intact is definitely a miracle
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:55 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 47s
FA Terrell Thomas said after the game he also wants to stay with the Giants. #NYG

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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:56 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 1m
I asked Terrell Thomas if there was any doubt Tom Coughlin should coach the #NYG in 2014. T2: "Not at all."

Speedywheels wins  
clatterbuck : 12/29/2013 5:58 pm : link
the most inaccurate statement of the day award. Suggestion: access the Giants info & history section and refresh your memory.
I think the D looked really good  
PatersonPlank : 12/29/2013 5:58 pm : link
The DL is an absolute strength
Beason in the middle is the guy we needed
I thought the DB's when healthy also looked good.
Amazing  
bceagle05 : 12/29/2013 5:58 pm : link
how much the players love Coughlin. Long way from 2004.
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 5:59 pm : link
Jeff Roberts ‏@TheJRob 49s
Would Justin Tuck be surprised if Coughlin didnt return? 'Iíd be very surprised. Shocked. U tell me somebody that does it better.' #NYG
Retweeted by Art Stapleton

My Bad, Speedywheels,  
clatterbuck : 12/29/2013 6:01 pm : link
you were commenting on the most inaccurate comment of the day. Sorry.
RE: Speedywheels wins  
speedywheels : 12/29/2013 6:02 pm : link
In comment 11420241 clatterbuck said:
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the most inaccurate statement of the day award. Suggestion: access the Giants info & history section and refresh your memory.


WTF?
RE: My Bad, Speedywheels,  
speedywheels : 12/29/2013 6:03 pm : link
In comment 11420253 clatterbuck said:
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you were commenting on the most inaccurate comment of the day. Sorry.


OK, no worries...
Defense need more  
section125 : 12/29/2013 6:05 pm : link
pass rush; another good LB and another NFL quality starting CB.
DT are fine (better with Linval of course); safeties are very good.
Of course they all say they want to come back & want TC back  
GloryDayz : 12/29/2013 6:06 pm : link
Who in their right mind would say anything else?!! Burn all bridges with the team & HC before they know if the fate of the HC and if the team is interested?!!!


I'm not saying they're lying, but what kind of stupid question/quote are those?!!
GloryDayz  
sphinx : 12/29/2013 6:08 pm : link
Sorry, I'll stop.

Amani Toomer puts one on Tuck...  
M.S. : 12/29/2013 6:09 pm : link
...mentions his 1 sack through first 8 games and then 9 or 10 in last six games. In essence, Toomer said that Tuck woke up one day and remembered it's a contract year and all of a sudden decided to play.

Oh, boy.
I think it comes down to playing against good teams vs.  
yatqb : 12/29/2013 6:13 pm : link
playing against really crappy teams. Tuck, and most everyone else, played well against crap teams. The one thing I'd say as an argument against that hypothesis is that the entire defense played better once Beason arrived, and I don't think that's coincidental or totally attributable to the level of competition we faced.
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 6:13 pm : link
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 42s
Antrel on TC: "I wouldn'’t want to play for anyone else."

RE: GloryDayz  
GloryDayz : 12/29/2013 6:17 pm : link
In comment 11420275 sphinx said:
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Sorry, I'll stop.


Sphinx... that was not intended towards you, but the beat writers who ask those questions and think its worth reporting.

Its like the question for TC in the post game presser about coming back... what idiot asked that?!! They think he's going to tell the media he wants to quit before ownership, or conversely he risks saying he wants back only to be fired a few days later!!
Winners and Losers today  
Jeffrey : 12/29/2013 6:20 pm : link
Winners: Jernigan, McBride, Hillis
Losers: Nicks and Brown .
In Nicks case the problem is more what Jernigan did than any poor play by Nicks. Brown has some fumbles this year that combined with his injury history make him a bigger risk.

RE: Amani Toomer puts one on Tuck...  
GloryDayz : 12/29/2013 6:22 pm : link
In comment 11420276 M.S. said:
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...mentions his 1 sack through first 8 games and then 9 or 10 in last six games. In essence, Toomer said that Tuck woke up one day and remembered it's a contract year and all of a sudden decided to play.

Oh, boy.


As bad as that sounds, I think there's some truth to it. Thats why I'd be very cautious bringing him back despite having a very good year overall.

At the right price yes, but I think he's put himself out of Giants price range. Letting a guy walk a year too early better than a year too late scenario... I dont think Tuck can repeat such a year with his injury history.
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rdt288 : 12/29/2013 6:23 pm : link
Any word on severity of nicks injury. I still think he remains a giants
"You are what your record says you are"...  
GloryDayz : 12/29/2013 6:28 pm : link
Giants are better than the shitty teams they beat, but not good enough to beat playoffs teams, not to mention got blown by contenders like Seahawks.

I dont think there's a big difference between their record and ability or draft position... it all evens out.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 12/29/2013 6:43 pm : link
1) I hope Diehl comes to the conclusion on his own that it is time to retire.

2) Jernigan played his way into a roster spot for next year, and possibly an expanded role. Could his play impact the decision on Nicks?

3) Joseph and Beason must be re-signed on D. Both are essential.

4) I would like to have Tuck return, but only at a very cap friendly deal.

GloryDayz  
sphinx : 12/29/2013 6:56 pm : link
I know it wasn't for me. The writers know they're 99% of the time going to get a non-answer. They're hoping for a 1% nugget ...

RE: RE: The idea that  
Reb8thVA : 12/29/2013 7:19 pm : link
In comment 11420211 speedywheels said:
Quote:
In comment 11420175 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:


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this team has a "strength", as someone suggested (in reference to LJ and the DL), is ludicrous. There are no areas of strength on this team. It is the worst Giants team I have watched in more than fifty years.

There is no way this season was anywhere near as bad as the "fumble "





Did you sleep through the 70's?

And the DL run defense is absolutely a strength - take a look at the stats of some of the RB opponents....
This season was no where near as bad as  
Reb8thVA : 12/29/2013 7:20 pm : link
The Joe Pisarchik, Jerry Golsteyn, Randy Dean years
RE: RE: RE: Most will not agree, and I'll put together a longer post  
montanagiant : 12/29/2013 7:42 pm : link
In comment 11420180 BigBlueBuff said:
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In comment 11419996 ed90631 said:


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In comment 11419879 BigBlueBuff said:


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explaining my feelings later, but that was a terrific coaching job to take a clearly undermanned and hurting team at 0-6 and come out with 7 wins. Of course, how they got to 0-6 is a problem, but everything after that was a great job.

They caught the Lions in a tailspin lost to any decent team they met. Beating crappy teams and losing to decent teams is what mediocre teams do best. It wasn't a great coaching job, just a reflection of the order of the schedule, tough up front, easy on the backside.


Many teams rolled over this season. The Giants, with the worst stay in the league did not despite not having the houses to complete with the best teams in the league. Perspective.


Good post BBB
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 8:11 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 36m
Here's the rest of the post-game locker room celebration, courtesy of the @Giants: here NYG
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sphinx : 12/29/2013 8:18 pm : link
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 3m
Giants averaged 83.3 rushing yards, their lowest season-long average since they rushed for 76.9 yards a game in 1945.

Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 5m
... The last NFL team with at least nine defeats, all against teams .500 or better, was the 2009 Chicago Bears, who also finished 7-9.

Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 5m
All 9 of the Giantsí losses were to teams that finished .500 or better, the first time thatís happened since their 5-11 season in 1995 ...

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sphinx : 12/29/2013 8:19 pm : link
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 11s
The Giants were one of four teams this season to have its longest run by a receiver; the others were St. Louis, Cleveland and Green Bay.

Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 55s
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Jerniganís 49-yard touchdown run was the longest by a Giants wide receiver since the 1970 merger.

Nice win today. Always good to beat Washington  
dpinzow : 12/29/2013 8:24 pm : link
However, this was a shitty season, to say the least. Gilbride's playcalling sucked and he should go but Reese is the biggest culprit. This team was not talented enough to contend (see the Seattle, KC and Carolina games). A significant overhaul, especially on the offensive line and at the skill positions, is required to turn us into a contender again.

Pugh is the only keeper on the OL and a gigantic investment must be made to protect Eli. The fact that Eli got a high ankle sprain is a blessing in disguise because that hit could have broken his ankle and it clearly illustrated the awful job Reese did with the offensive line in replacing Snee, Diehl, O'Hara, and Seubert.

The skill positions are also not good enough. Nicks will get his $8-9 million from another team; he didn't play like a #1 receiver to say the least, so he's gone. Cruz is a good receiver but not a #1; Randle will have to replace Nicks, and I still don't buy Jernigan as an effective option; where was he in games that mattered? We'll also have to draft a receiver high. The RB position without Wilson is also a huge hole. Neither Brown nor Hillis are every down backs and we can't assume Wilson will ever play again due to the spinal stenosis issue. The Giants will have to scout RB very carefully this time around

Lastly, all the offensive coaches and Quinn (special teams) have to go; I'd consider bringing Fewell back but if a better DC shakes loose you could just let his contract expire. If TC decides he can't accept a new offensive coordinator then we have to go in another direction for the head coach too, and I love TC
I don't know how many negative runs we had  
Jimmy Googs : 12/29/2013 8:26 pm : link
this season, but it must just be an immense number. We had so many defenders across the LOS in every single game it was basically comical. I pray to God for some new offensive lineman next season.

It is over and kudos to the guys on the field in the second half today b/c on a cold, rainy day with nothing to play for the Giants held their heads up high.

Where is that troll SouthAfrica and his 25 bus loads of Skins fans?  
Jints in Carolina : 12/29/2013 8:34 pm : link
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apparently some of you didn't bother to wtacth the games this year  
bc4life : 12/29/2013 8:40 pm : link
defense played fairy well. with the exception of Carolina, San Diego - they were in most games this season and it was for the most part because of the defense.

and, you cannot play defense an entire game without an offense to hold up their end of the bargain.

Giants tanked as high as 8th versus the run this year - 3rd string qb had nothing to do with that.
It ain't over till it's over ...  
Fpbflppt : 12/29/2013 9:07 pm : link
So it begins:

Who's the starting O-line: Pugh and 4 guys named "Who".
Who's the starting tight end: Somebody named "Anybody but him".
Starting at running back: Ike Donnough.
Starting quarterback: Eli Summore

On defense, we have:
D-line: Linval, Hankin, Damontre (offside) Moore and JPP back?
Linebackers: Beason, Williams and who?
D-backs: Prince, Antrel?, Hill, Stevie, Tremaine?

And special team that know how to cover punts and kicks?

Coaches:

Head Case: Tom Coughlin?
Defensive Co-ordinator: Tom Landry (snicker)
Offensive Co-ordinator: Vince Lombardi (another snicker)
Note: both Landry and Lombardi were defensive and offensive coaches for the Giants. Both have passed away - but would have done a better job than the knuckleheads currently in those positions. "We have a complex system but not the personnel to execute it" - and neither co-ordinator would "adjust the system to the personnel".
Special Teams Co-ordinator: "Anybody but the guy we have now"
Quarterbacks Coach: "Anybody but the guy we have now". Phil Simms? (nah, if Phil could coach it, wouldn't his kids have been better at it?)
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