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Giants to pick 12th/2014 schedule is set

ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 7:29 pm
The Giants schedule in 2014 will be

Home: ARI, SF, HOU, IND, ATL
Away: STL, SEA, JAC, TEN, DET

The Giants will pick 12th. Note that I am not applying tiebreak to the 4-12 teams or to TEN and DET.

1 HOU 2-14
2 STL (from WAS) 3-13
3-7 JAC 4-12
3-7 CLE 4-12
3-7 ATL 4-12
3-7 OAK 4-12
3-7 TB 4-12
8 MIN 5-10-1
9 BUFF 6-10
10-11 TEN 7-9
10-11 DET 7-9
12 NYG 7-9

TEN and DET beat the Giants on SOS. STL will either finish 8-8 or lose the SOS tiebreak to the Giants.

This is coming from me, not the NFL, but I've done all the checking I can.
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there';s actually a 4-way tie at 7-9  
ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 8:06 pm : link
DET, TEN, NYG, STL

keep that in mind when looking past the 1st round.
I don't know how it works after the 1st round.
playoffstatus .com has this as the order  
CGiants07 : 12/29/2013 8:15 pm : link
Houston
st Louis (from Washington)
Jacksonville
Cleveland
Oakland
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Minnesota
Buffalo
Detroit
Tennessee
NY Giants
St Louis
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
NY Jets
PHI/DAL loser
Miami
Arizona

the rest go based on playoff exits
21-24 wc round losers
25-28 division round losers
29-30 championship game losers
31 super bowl loser
32 super bowl winner
Link - ( New Window )
Here is the 12th overall pick  
Big Rick in FL : 12/29/2013 8:19 pm : link
from the last 10 drafts. Recently it hasn't been gteat, but guys like Clady, Ngata & Lynch are. Too early on Hayden. Matthews & Moreno have been ok.

2013 DJ Hayden CB Houston Oakland
2012 Fletcher Cox DE/DT Mississippi State Philadelphia
2011 Christian Ponder QB Florida State Minnesota
2010 Ryan Mathews RB Fresno State San Diego
2009 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia Denver
2008 Ryan Clady OT Bosie State Denver
2007 Marshawn Lynch RB California Buffalo
2006 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon Baltimore
2005 Shawne Merriman OLB Maryland San Diego
2004 Jonathan Vilma MLB Miami N.Y. Jets
Here's the draft order so far (updated to include all 4 pm games):  
Optimus-NY : 12/29/2013 8:26 pm : link
NFL Draft Selection Tracker (courtesy of OverTheCap.com) - Projected Order, December 29 (All 4PM games Included)

Giants are 12th.
RE: In the second round  
Neverend : 12/29/2013 8:26 pm : link
In comment 11420702 SJGiant said:
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We get the 10th pick in that round. This is something good for finishing last in the tie for the 10th pick


that's great. I hope its true!
If I had to guess....  
dep026 : 12/29/2013 8:30 pm : link
Quote:
1 HOU 2-14
2 STL (from WAS) 3-13
3-7 JAC 4-12
3-7 CLE 4-12
3-7 ATL 4-12
3-7 OAK 4-12
3-7 TB 4-12
8 MIN 5-10-1
9 BUFF 6-10
10-11 TEN 7-9
10-11 DET 7-9
12 NYG 7-9


Houston takes a QB
Rams take Matthews
Jacksonville takes a QB
Cleveland takes a QB
Atlanta takes Clowney
Oakland takes Cyrus
TB takes Watkins
Minnesota takes Mack
Buffalo takes Watkins if available or Evans

I am hoping Lewan falls to NYG.
We could miss out on the top 3 OTs, but have a chance at Mosley,  
yatqb : 12/29/2013 8:30 pm : link
one of the top WRs, one of the other good OTs, or even a good CB prospect.

I'm hoping that we take care of our needs (OL, RB, TE) in FA, then load up in the draft on BPAs.

We'd better sign Joseph or we'll need a really good DT. Hopefully Reese realizes that.
wish overthecap  
ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 8:33 pm : link
would list the SOS record along with the percentage.
Then we could see right away whether tonight's game matters.
yatqb  
Dunedin81 : 12/29/2013 8:36 pm : link
He may envision Hankins as a plugger in the mold of Joseph, maybe not the same caliber but at least a guy who can come in and play a solid nose.
Yeah i am  
AnishPatel : 12/29/2013 8:36 pm : link
on the OL or Sammy Watkins Train.
Second round  
SJGiant : 12/29/2013 8:37 pm : link
It looks like I am wrong. Since St. Louis finished with 7-9 too, they get the tenth slot in the second round and we get the 13 th. I am searching the internet to confirm the draft rotation.
The cap number for the 12th pick last year was $1,877,036.  
Optimus-NY : 12/29/2013 8:41 pm : link
Source listed below.


2013 NFL Draft Rookie Contract and Salary Cap Estimates (courtesy of OverTheCap.com) - ( New Window )
Second round  
SJGiant : 12/29/2013 8:42 pm : link
Looks like the example from Walter football shows that the teams move up one slot in the next round until they get to the top of the list with teams in the tie. Therefore, the giants would pick 11th in the second round . Sorry for the mistake.
NFL.com  
Michael 123 : 12/29/2013 8:45 pm : link
Not sure if this means anything but when you look at nfl.com standings it has us at 11th


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I don't think the future rounds work that way...  
Milton : 12/29/2013 8:48 pm : link
They only flip-flop them if a coin toss is required to break the tie in round one. And that only occurs if the strength of schedule is equal for two or more teams.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's how it works, which means the Giants will be drafting at #12 in each round, but round 7.
GBN report's 12/11 projection  
81_Great_Dane : 12/29/2013 8:49 pm : link
had the Giants taking Texas Tech TE Jace Amaro at 12.
RE: NFL.com  
jeff57 : 12/29/2013 8:50 pm : link
In comment 11420900 Michael 123 said:
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Not sure if this means anything but when you look at nfl.com standings it has us at 11th
standings - ( New Window )


Titans should be picking before the Giants.
RE: NFL.com  
ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 8:54 pm : link
In comment 11420900 Michael 123 said:
Quote:
Not sure if this means anything but when you look at nfl.com standings it has us at 11th
standings - ( New Window )


Standings are based on division and conference tiebreakers.

Draft order is based on strength of schedule as the first tiebreaker.

So they are not necessarily consistent. You can finish 4th and pick behind the 3rd place team in your division.
I will go on record with being against  
hitdog42 : 12/29/2013 8:54 pm : link
a WR in round 1. the giants need to invest in the trenches, and that includes TE.
I would prefer the top DB to a WR as well.
I  
AcidTest : 12/29/2013 8:56 pm : link
beat the drum every year for a trade down, but it seems even more imperative this year given the number of holes we have. Dropping back even a little could get us another two.
Put me down for Antonio "Tiny" Richardson at 12 for the Giants.  
Optimus-NY : 12/29/2013 8:57 pm : link
Gonna be a nice OLT in the pros for a long time.
I can't imagine Reese/TC  
bob in tx : 12/29/2013 8:59 pm : link
taking a slot TE like Amaro or Ebron so may have opportunity to move down.
Allen Robinson  
Giantfootball025 : 12/29/2013 9:01 pm : link
could be the best WR in the draft if he declares. I'm unsure of what to draft at 12 I think I'm favoring Mosley only because our LB's sucked something awful outside of Beason. But, going by the past the Giants don't seem to value the LB's like other positions. WR seems like a luxury pick we can't afford to make. OL seems like the safest. And protected Eli should be the highest point of emphasis this offseason.
Amaro has the size to turn into an elite two-way TE...  
Dunedin81 : 12/29/2013 9:02 pm : link
Ebron is significantly lighter, though he could add weight.
Looking at overthecap percentages  
ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 9:07 pm : link
tonight game cannot change the draft order. The closest teams in the tiebreak are CLE with 132 SOS wins, and OAK with 133 SOS wins. OAK will pick up another win from tonight's game, so CLE takes the tiebreak. Everyone else is separated by at least 3 wins.

Amaro does have the  
bob in tx : 12/29/2013 9:09 pm : link
size but has never been asked to consistently block and using him as in line TE takes away what he does best. I like him but that position is an afterthought in TC's offense though half the league would love to have him. Just don't see it unless there is a wholesale change in offense. There could be a bidding if Amaro was there at 12.
RE: Looking at overthecap percentages  
ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 9:12 pm : link
In comment 11420987 ray in arlington said:
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tonight game cannot change the draft order. The closest teams in the tiebreak are CLE with 132 SOS wins, and OAK with 133 SOS wins. OAK will pick up another win from tonight's game, so CLE takes the tiebreak. Everyone else is separated by at least 3 wins.


I mean it can't change draft order for the teams with worse records or the same record as the Giants (the top 13).
Taking an OT  
Jon in NYC : 12/29/2013 9:29 pm : link
here will probably be a no brainer. There should be a great talent at a position of massive need. Matthews, Lewan, Kouandjio, Robinson. Richardson. Someone will be there that they want.
cameron erving too  
oipolloi : 12/29/2013 9:36 pm : link
it is possible he could wind up being the best of the bunch

Richardson is considered a 2nd round prospect...  
Milton : 12/29/2013 9:39 pm : link
...by most draft sites (THR, GBN, CBS).
Giants are not taking Amaro or Mosely  
oipolloi : 12/29/2013 9:41 pm : link
I would be shocked if either one was taken in the top 15

Lewan and Robinson could very well both be there when the Giants pick. So, unless they just don't rate those two highly, I think the pick is going to be an OT. This is a very strong draft for OTs
RE: cameron erving too  
jeff57 : 12/29/2013 9:42 pm : link
In comment 11421099 oipolloi said:
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it is possible he could wind up being the best of the bunch


I think Erving's the best of the bunch, but he may not come out.
RE: yatqb  
yatqb : 12/29/2013 9:45 pm : link
In comment 11420854 Dunedin81 said:
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He may envision Hankins as a plugger in the mold of Joseph, maybe not the same caliber but at least a guy who can come in and play a solid nose.


Duned, it would be foolish for us to keep letting go of really good players that we drafted high and coached up to be impactful players. A young guy who is part of our run-stopping core should get his money right here, imo. Hankins can play alongside him or sub for him at times to keep both fresh. It's not like we have a ton of young DTs...Jenkins and Patterson aren't getting younger, and Kuhn doesn't seem like a lock to make the roster next year.
Draft order (derived from overthecap.com)  
ray in arlington : 12/29/2013 9:46 pm : link
This is set regardless of tonights result
1. HOU
2. STL (from WAS)
3. JAC
4. CLE
5. OAK
6. ATL
7. TB
8. MIN
9. BUF
10. DET
11. TEN
12. NYG
13. STL

I have CHI at 14 and PIT at 15 based on the overthecap percentages. CHI has 2 fewer SOS wins and will pick up only 1 for the DAL-PHI game.

After that it depends on the PHI-DAL result as based on overthecap DAL would pick 16th if they lost tonight.



RE: RE: yatqb  
Dunedin81 : 12/29/2013 9:50 pm : link
In comment 11421152 yatqb said:
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In comment 11420854 Dunedin81 said:


Quote:


He may envision Hankins as a plugger in the mold of Joseph, maybe not the same caliber but at least a guy who can come in and play a solid nose.



Duned, it would be foolish for us to keep letting go of really good players that we drafted high and coached up to be impactful players. A young guy who is part of our run-stopping core should get his money right here, imo. Hankins can play alongside him or sub for him at times to keep both fresh. It's not like we have a ton of young DTs...Jenkins and Patterson aren't getting younger, and Kuhn doesn't seem like a lock to make the roster next year.


That's reasonable and I think highly of Joseph, I just worry he's going to command $7-8 mil a year and I'm not sure he's worth that, as valuable as he is. But to say Hankins can step in and fill that specific role (maybe) is not to say that it won't take a bite out of our depth. We were pretty healthy at DT this year, it is unreasonable to expect that to continue. If Joseph leaves we need to draft or sign at least one more guy, preferably someone who can play a serviceable one-technique.
Why take that risk when we have LJ right here and know his play?  
yatqb : 12/29/2013 9:53 pm : link
Sign him; it's all about the guaranteed dough anyway. We'd likely structure his contract with a large enough bonus that that it wouldn't hurt the cap in the next few years.
wow dep  
Neverend : 12/29/2013 9:56 pm : link
you really think cyrus could go that high? that would really suck
Not a big fan of getting rid of a proven DT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/29/2013 10:06 pm : link
and creating another hole in the lineup.
RE: Richardson is considered a 2nd round prospect...  
Optimus-NY : 12/29/2013 10:12 pm : link
In comment 11421115 Milton said:
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...by most draft sites (THR, GBN, CBS).


They said the same about Pugh last year. It's really early now anyway.
Optimus  
Milton : 12/30/2013 2:03 am : link
True enough, but Richardson is a guy who was previously talked about as a 1st round prospect, but has been falling in the eyes of the draftniks. Pugh was a prospect who started the draft season as a mid-round prospect and made a late April surge in the eyes of the draftniks.
so these last 2 wins  
Mr. Nickels : 12/30/2013 2:12 am : link
cost us 4 picks from 8 to 12

Could be worse but that is pretty horrific
There are more than 4 good players in the draft  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/30/2013 2:17 am : link
It's not like we're looking for a QB.

You've got to look at the situation for what it is. We're in the top 15.
KC  
RobCarpenter : 12/30/2013 6:53 am : link
Goes to the playoffs and they can get Clowney. Talk about hitting the jackpot.
Who wants to bet  
nygnyy274 : 12/30/2013 7:20 am : link
The Giants December Schedule will have the Seahawks.49ers. And Eagles twice on it., giants always seem to get a tough schedule in December every year.while the Pats get the Browns Jagurars and Bills smh....
After watching ND LT Zack Martin  
section125 : 12/30/2013 7:32 am : link
throw Keith Hamilton's son around on Saturday I find that he is projected to be a guard - because - once again - his arms are too short.

Well get one of the top guys in round one and get this guy in round two....One thing he never missed a game (52) in 4 years.
Hammer  
baadbill : 12/30/2013 9:05 am : link
In comment 11421740 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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... We're in the top 15.


There are only 20 non-playoff teams, so being in the top 15 isn't exactly a great bonus for not making the tournament. I'd be much happier top 10 (ok, this "game" I'm playing is dumb because I'd obviously be even happier with the #1 overall position {sigh - the whole thing just sucks})
RE: KC  
YAJ2112 : 12/30/2013 9:54 am : link
In comment 11421762 RobCarpenter said:
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Goes to the playoffs and they can get Clowney. Talk about hitting the jackpot.


How is KC getting Clowney?
RE: After watching ND LT Zack Martin  
jeff57 : 12/30/2013 9:59 am : link
In comment 11421775 section125 said:
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throw Keith Hamilton's son around on Saturday I find that he is projected to be a guard - because - once again - his arms are too short.

Well get one of the top guys in round one and get this guy in round two....One thing he never missed a game (52) in 4 years.


A Lewan-Martin left side of the line would sure look nice.
Depressing thought ...  
Fpbflppt : 12/30/2013 10:11 am : link
There aren't enough draft picks to fill all of the "holes".

Even if every draft pick is a winner.

RE: Depressing thought ...  
YAJ2112 : 12/30/2013 10:15 am : link
In comment 11422141 Fpbflppt said:
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There aren't enough draft picks to fill all of the "holes".

Even if every draft pick is a winner.


That is depressing. It's too bad there's no other way to obtain players in this day and age.
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