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Should we gamble with Hakeem Nicks

Essex : 1/9/2014 9:12 am
The Eagles gambled with Jackson and it worked, he had a down year and they still paid him. He has played well since they signed him. Maybe it makes sense to gamble with Hakeem and not worry about receiver in the FA market or draft. We should worry about fixing the Oline and getting a TE. I don't know, all year I was for not resigning him, but sometimes these guys play so scared in the fear they won't get paid. If we could get him at a Cruz contract as what Traina implied in her article this morning it would take, would people be for it or against it? I think I would be for it.

(I think we all agree we would not sign him for Wallace type money).
dep026 : 1/9/2014 9:15 am : link
All he needs is ONE team to overvalue what he has done, and pay him more than what he is worth.

If he was willing to sing a 1 year 4-5 million then I'd consider it. But someone is going to take a chance on him, and judging by Gilbride's comments, Nicks wasnt too enamored to be here last year anyways.
eleven : 1/9/2014 9:15 am : link
Was a little bit different I think. He still had blazing speed and that was apparent. He clearly just was protecting himself. I don't know if Nicks is protecting himself or if injuries have hampered him entirely. He wasn't jumping like he used to, couldn't get separation, and dropped everything. If he is healthy then yea I would. But, I'd hate to take a risk and the guy just doesn't have it anymore.
I'd transition tag him  
jlukes : 1/9/2014 9:16 am : link
let him go test the open market and come back to us with a deal. If it's out of our price range, we say good luck. If it is cap-friendly deal, then we match it.
RE: No  
Essex : 1/9/2014 9:18 am : link
In comment 11444689 dep026 said:
All he needs is ONE team to overvalue what he has done, and pay him more than what he is worth.

If he was willing to sing a 1 year 4-5 million then I'd consider it. But someone is going to take a chance on him, and judging by Gilbride's comments, Nicks wasnt too enamored to be here last year anyways.

i know dep that is most likely what will occur (one team overvaluing him like the dolphins did with wallace), my question which you answered no (you said 1 year 4-5 mill) is if we could get a Cruz type deal for him (6 and 46 so around 7.5 per), would people take it?
andrew_nyg : 1/9/2014 9:19 am : link
He's a quitter. I hope he ends up in Cleveland or Buffalo. He no longer deserves to be a NY Giant.

Besides, they need his $$$ to fix the OL.
BB2K5 : 1/9/2014 9:20 am : link
you just can't give him a big contract off these last 2 years. He lacks speed, has a hard time separating & doesn't play hard. We just gave big money to Beatty & now were stuck with him..
I'm all for giving Nicks a 1yr 5Mil contract & telling him to prove he can still be a #1 WR but i'm sure someone will pay him more..
You cannot sign this guy long term  
dep026 : 1/9/2014 9:20 am : link
he basically showed he was protecting himself not to get hurt, who is to say he once he gets his contract - he doesnt shut down more?

Again, Ill give him a one year prove me deal. However, I got a feeling the Giants brass was not happy with his effort last year and look to upgrade the OL and DL before considering him.
depends on the direction  
newmike2 : 1/9/2014 9:21 am : link
that the new OC wants to take. If they revert back to old offense schemes and Eli has confidence in Nicks, they have to try to make it happen. If not, it can be written off as a cap issue and they bring in some young guys.
Something odd is going on with Nicks  
old timer : 1/9/2014 10:09 am : link
and unless you know what it is and how to fix it, you are asking to have your money stolen.
At the right price I would.  
Randy in CT : 1/9/2014 10:10 am : link
Not super cheap either--just a fair price, as long as we get to the bottom of his problems.
This season really cost Nicks a lot of money IMO  
AnyoneButPhilly : 1/9/2014 10:19 am : link
i would think he would be completely out of our price range but before this season I would say he would he looking for Mike Wallace money
he looked really old  
Tom from LI : 1/9/2014 10:19 am : link
and really slow this year. How many years was is he in this league for? 12? 15?

Looks like a guy at the end of his career..

If they resign  
Giants : 1/9/2014 10:21 am : link
him. It should be a multi year deal that is incentive laid. As he reaches each goal he gets paid. If he doesn't the Giants can cut him lose for a low cap hit
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 10:22 am : link
The Giants are going to have to make this decision based on what they know. They know more about the extent of how hurt he actually was or if anything else was doing on.. none of us really know exactly what the deal was (though we do have armchair QB's who are positive he 'quit' )

I would like him back. I don' t think he's done and I think he'll be cheaper now than he would have been last year.
The Eagles gamble on Jackson paid off?  
vibe4giants : 1/9/2014 11:03 am : link
Eh. He's already asking for another contract. Talented, sure. But still a headache. Beyond that, other than they play the same positions, I don't believe the situations are analogous.

The Giants did enough gambling on players this past season. I'm one who thinks the idea Nicks was dogging it this year is absurd. But there's clearly something wrong. The Giants need to stop doubling down on players who, for one reason or another, are providing evidence of increasingly less pay-off. No doubt Nicks has been a very useful player when healthy. There is also no doubt that him being healthy is not something they can rely on. If the last two years had gone at all differently for the team as a whole, and Nicks as an individual, I could see the argument to roll the dice. But they haven't, so I don't.
If the price  
NJGiantFan84 : 1/9/2014 11:08 am : link
is right, absolutely. But I don't think it will be. If he signs Cruz's deal, I'd love to have him back. If not, I believe he moves on and will have a nice career elsewhere.
RE: Something odd is going on with Nicks  
montanagiant : 1/9/2014 11:08 am : link
In comment 11444877 old timer said:
and unless you know what it is and how to fix it, you are asking to have your money stolen.

Agree, There is something that has effected his play be it injuries or personal issues. Only the Giants know what it is and given the year we just had, they will not take a risk unless its something they know is fixable
1 year to prove it  
spike : 1/9/2014 11:24 am : link
Or go elsewhere
What a suprise  
95cobraguy : 1/9/2014 11:25 am : link
Another hakeem nicks thread
Offer him a one year contact with incentives  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 11:27 am : link
that should work for both sides considering the down year he had in 2013.
There is absolutely no way,  
Doomster : 1/9/2014 11:30 am : link
that Nicks would take a less than Cruz offer....
Pass on Nicks  
Marty866b : 1/9/2014 11:35 am : link
He plays like he's hurt. Doesn't appear that he can run anymore and he wasn't fast to start with.There is something wrong with him. Played great for a couple of years but the Giants should move on and I think they will.
I would have to say no. And I was a big Nicks supporter. But to me  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 11:36 am : link
he just didn't look like the same player. What happened to his explosiveness and strength to the ball? And now, with so many needs elsewhere, especially on the OL, I don't see how they could burn $$ and cap space on him.
Simms : 1/9/2014 11:39 am : link
I like him, still think he is a talent. But he quit on us plain as day .... not a good combination. Time to cut bait because if he did it once, it will do it again. On another team maybe not, but think he burned his bridges here.
Don't know if Nicks quit or not  
jcn56 : 1/9/2014 11:39 am : link
but I'm not sure his body is long for this sport, he's been injured a lot the past couple of years. I'd be reluctant to give him much money as an FA.
It absolutely has to be an incentive-laden deal  
GiantJake : 1/9/2014 11:42 am : link
Nicks is going to want Cruz money and his numbers don't warrant that. Over the last two seasons, he has averaged 54 catches for 800 yards and 1.5 TDS. That is where the conversation needs to start. This season, Nicks was basically playing on a one year "show me" contract and his effort was disappointing. You would think he would have been out there like a man possessed. He didn't fight for the ball in the air and he didn't fight for yards after catch. Maybe that is because he was hurt and forced himself out there because he was in a contract year. That's another red flag. The guy is never healthy. If some team wants to overpay Nicks and hope that he gets back to his health, effort and playing level of three years be it. The Giants can't afford to that. I would rather see them spend a high draft pick on a young WR.
3 contract potential offers.  
Enoch : 1/9/2014 11:46 am : link
1) Lowball long-term deal. A contract that would lock him up for a long time at the terms the Giants would want to pay, given his recent performance. Would probably be incredibly stupid for Nicks to sign, but make the offer.

2) 1-year "prove-it" deal. A few million (but less than the franchise/transition salaries), a good hunk of incentives, and the opportunity to hit the open market next season.

3) Multi-year deal that is essentially option 2, plus several more high-salary years, with a big option bonus and guarantee triggers at the beginning of 2015, and average-per-year from that point on at the level Nicks wants to be paid. (Essentially what the team did with Shawn Andrews a few years back.) The Giants can release him if his performance is less than fantastic, or hang onto him if he returns to his 2011 self.
Ron from Ninerland : 1/9/2014 12:46 pm : link
Franchise him if you have to. Its not like we have a wealth of other talent to hang on to that we need the franchise tag for.
Not worth a Franchise tag for WR  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 12:48 pm : link
I'd offer him a reasonable one year contact with incentives.
Face it  
fkap : 1/9/2014 12:49 pm : link
Nicks is in the drivers seat. somebody will offer him more than we will (or can). Tagging him is a bad move, as it guarantees we'll pay him 10-12 mil for one year. We can't rescind it once he signs it, so if no one else wants him at his desired price tag, we're stuck with it and he has no reason at all to agree to any long term deal with us that doesn't back up the money wagon. it completely hamstrings our ability to make other FA moves.

Let him test free agency. If the market is there, he'll get his pay. If it's not, Giants can offer a reasonable contract, one that will pay him down the road if he performs, or isn't too painful to cut if he doesn't. The downside is that if he's willing to take that deal, there are probably a lot of other teams willing to offer that deal, and Nicks hasn't exactly shown himself to be eager to return to the Giants.
RE: Something odd is going on with Nicks  
mrvax : 1/9/2014 12:51 pm : link
In comments old timer said:
and unless you know what it is and how to fix it, you are asking to have your money stolen.

I agree. There were so many un-Nicks like things he did in 2013 you have to really be concerned. If I'm the GM, I can't risk a long term contract to what appears to be a broken down receiver.
ZogZerg : 1/9/2014 12:52 pm : link
We need to spend money on OL
Did you all not watch this past season fiasco?
RE: There is absolutely no way,  
nyynyg : 1/9/2014 1:03 pm : link
In comment 11445135 Doomster said:
that Nicks would take a less than Cruz offer....

You may be right and that is why we shouldn't go near him. I don't think he is worth 1/2 the Cruz offer based on his output this year. He should not have even been a starter.
If I was the guy calling the shots for the Giants as your thread  
wgenesis123 : 1/9/2014 3:01 pm : link
supposes to each of us, I would want to see what the market thinks of Nicks first. If someone wants to pay him the big bucks than its time to say goodbye. If April rolls around and he is still looking for a job, than I take a long hard look at him and probably still pass.
Let him go  
spike : 1/9/2014 4:32 pm : link
And gimme the comp pick instead
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