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Mara and Reese on with Francesa today

watertown : 1/9/2014 9:23 am
Not sure of times
So far  
Giants2012 : 1/9/2014 9:40 am : link
Francesa hasn't appeared to be as angry with the Giants as many of us. Francesa has defended the Giants on so many circumstances (i.e. Diehl's play in 2012).

The Giants have a very polished way of answering questions without really saying much. Kudos to Reese for his style but I hope Francesa digs a little deeper.

Not sure what to expect from this interview.
Mara is usually very forthcoming when he is on Mike's show.  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 9:53 am : link
Should be a good listen. I'm more interested to hear if he grills Reese on his less than stellar draft record from 2008-2012.
they going on together  
Blue Baller : 1/9/2014 9:54 am : link
or individually?
Love Reese, but his interviews are normally pretty bad  
jlukes : 1/9/2014 9:55 am : link
mainly because as a GM, he can't give anything but canned answers.
Reese's draft record  
Rflairr : 1/9/2014 10:09 am : link
Is just as good as any of the playoff contenders
Too bad Mad Dog's not still there.  
Exit 172 : 1/9/2014 10:09 am : link
He could ask Mara and Reese how concerned they are about Warren Beatty's injury.
aaah aaah Mikey Jewwy Weese is coming up next  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 10:11 am : link
dats a bad job by Weese Mikey. Mawa should be fiwing him.
RE: Reese's draft record  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 10:15 am : link
In comment 11444879 Rflairr said:
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Is just as good as any of the playoff contenders


you should check some of them before you say that.

I posted a long analysis last week. From 2008-2012, the Giants had 28 picks in rounds 2 through 7, only 7 are even in the league and only 2 are impact players. 25% in the league, 7% impact players.
RE: Too bad Mad Dog's not still there.  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 10:19 am : link
In comment 11444881 Exit 172 said:
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He could ask Mara and Reese how concerned they are about Warren Beatty's injury.


And "Ozzie Umen-Aura"
Reese  
Giants : 1/9/2014 10:24 am : link
had one solid draft his first. Below average after that
This season was terrible  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 10:30 am : link
but lately people have been commenting like the whole organization suddenly doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 10:32 am : link
Aight wea bak. We got Jerrey Rees and Jon Marah on. Ok, Jon wea know da awfense was brokin how do youah plan on fixin dat?
I don't really think that's true TTH. But if you look at it  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 10:41 am : link
objectively it's clear that the foundation was beginning to age even as they were winning SB46 and the players drafted were not going to be able to replace them.
Mike will ask Mara  
bceagle05 : 1/9/2014 10:42 am : link
one question about Gilbride then transition to the Super Bowl preparations.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 10:50 am : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 58s
John Mara is scheduled to be on @WFAN660 with @MikeFrancesaNY today at 2:05 followed by Jerry Reese at 2:40. #NYG
TTH  
UberAlias : 1/9/2014 10:53 am : link
I agree. That's why I have stayed away lately.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 10:54 am : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 4m
John Mara is scheduled to be on @WFAN660 with @MikeFrancesaNY today at 2:05 followed by Jerry Reese at 2:40. #NYG
RE: ...  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 10:56 am : link
In comment 11445047 Eric from BBI said:
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Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 4m
John Mara is scheduled to be on @WFAN660 with @MikeFrancesaNY today at 2:05 followed by Jerry Reese at 2:40. #NYG


Thanks E
also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 10:57 am : link
on ESPN...

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 6m
Jerry Reese is also expected to join Kay and Lagreca on @ESPNNY98_7FM at 3:30 today. #NYG
2 Jerry Reese interviews in 1 day  
ghost718 : 1/9/2014 11:01 am : link
What have a I done to deserve this generosity
Russo would rush through  
Pete in MD : 1/9/2014 11:03 am : link
both interviews so he could get back to talking about tennis ans tv ratings.
RE: TTH  
95cobraguy : 1/9/2014 11:22 am : link
In comment 11445043 UberAlias said:
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I agree. That's why I have stayed away lately.

Me too, way too many bitches around here.
RE: This season was terrible  
Curtis in VA : 1/9/2014 11:31 am : link
In comment 11444979 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but lately people have been commenting like the whole organization suddenly doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.


I would say that is a fair assessment of this organization's 2013 season. Sometimes I wondered if everyone in the organization had been invaded by body snatchers. I was so close to calling Randy about it. Really, I was.
So Jawn....  
Optimus-NY : 1/9/2014 11:59 am : link
How's youah golf swing.....and what do youah think about Craig Biggio missin' out on da Hawl of Fame by two votes yestuhday?

Soah Jerry....  
Optimus-NY : 1/9/2014 12:10 pm : link
"When youah got ridda dat Supah Bowl/Big Game clawk, why didn't youah put anothah clock up in its place countin' down da days 'n hours until February da 1st?"
TTH  
JoefromPa : 1/9/2014 1:16 pm : link
maybe it's a generational thing, I don't know. But reading BBI you would think the Giants organization is one of the dredges of the league instead of one of it's best.

No team has a better list of accomplishments over the past 7 years than the Giants and this FO
Mara will give a good interview  
Blue Blood : 1/9/2014 1:18 pm : link
Reese will give you nothing at all..
Mara writes the checks...  
silverfox : 1/9/2014 1:24 pm : link
...His comments are the ones that I want to hear.
Mike's on...He's ready to go.  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:05 pm : link
..
Mara  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:05 pm : link
is on now.
Mara on now  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:05 pm : link
.
way  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:08 pm : link
too many questions on Super Bowl.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:10 pm : link
didn't see 0-6 coming.

Overvalue personnel.

We need to get better players.
we overvalued some of the personnel  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/9/2014 2:10 pm : link
and need to get some better players
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:10 pm : link
Staggering number of injuries...91 games lost by starters...no one else even close...not excuse for starting off 0-6.

I hate when Francesa (and people) say "Ideer"  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:11 pm : link
instead of "idea"
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:11 pm : link
Jernigan...mystery...but Jernigan had been hurt quite a bit...slowed development...
Fairness  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:11 pm : link
on statement made prior on JJ.... injuries hindered his development
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:12 pm : link
coaches always want to play veteran players. Young players tend to make mental mistakes.

Goes back as far as he can remember with every coach.
Again  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:12 pm : link
with the JJ injuries...TC started this and it is vastly overblown...Mara covering for TC....he was injured very slightly-nothing to hamper his development like this-ridiculous....
RE: ...  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/9/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11445652 Eric from BBI said:
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Staggering number of injuries...91 games lost by starters...no one else even close...not excuse for starting off 0-6.


This is the article that Mara is referring to

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20140107-gosselin-injuries-are-no-excuse-for-another-mediocre-dallas-cowboys-season.ece

Giants #1 in the NFL in games lost due to injury.

NFC East

NYG - 91
DAL - 62
PHI - 29
WSH - 22
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:13 pm : link
Gilbride retired...was not forced out...people have short memories...

Most unpopular guy is always OC.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:13 pm : link
Change will be good for us going forward.
Mara must read BBI  
Canton : 1/9/2014 2:13 pm : link
Fans have sorry memories of what he accomplished.
Reese is interviewing OC candidates along with TC  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:14 pm : link
..
Mara  
MookGiants : 1/9/2014 2:14 pm : link
basically admitted he was going to be fired he didnt retire
Short*  
Canton : 1/9/2014 2:14 pm : link
.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:15 pm : link
Age is not a factor with Coughlin. Works just as hard. Players still listen to him. They pay attention. He still has ability to teach and motivate.
Mook  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:15 pm : link
Yes...he said it was fortunate it didn't come to them firing him.
RE: ...  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/9/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 11445664 Eric from BBI said:
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Gilbride retired...was not forced out...people have short memories...

Most unpopular guy is always OC.


But there was an implication that Gilbride retired before a decision could be made -- obviously Gilbride fell on the sword.
He was surprisingly fast to agree that sometimes shaking up the staff  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 2:16 pm : link
is a good thing and needs to be done.
Teach ??  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:16 pm : link
teach what-he has to teach the right things-not the "broken" offense....
The Redskins only lost 22 player-games to injuries???  
Exit 172 : 1/9/2014 2:17 pm : link
And they still sucked!

Hahahahaha!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:17 pm : link
Continuity is a strength if you have right people in place, but you also need to shake some things up.

Doesn't merit blowing whole thing up. There is a time to do that, but not now.

Lot of injuries...missed on too many draft picks...FA's haven't worked out.
people need to be patient  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:17 pm : link
we had a lot of injuries and missed on some draft picks
Head coaching is so much more than teaching and motivating.  
Exit 172 : 1/9/2014 2:18 pm : link
Coughlin better show us a lot more next year than some of the crap we saw from him this year.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:18 pm : link
wouldn't trade playoff appearances for super bowl wins
It still seems  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:18 pm : link
that the TC is being absolved of anything-yet he wants new "ideas"-TC is the offensive system.
Wants to be more consistent playoff team  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:19 pm : link
but wouldn't trade Super Bowls for it.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:19 pm : link
Offense...we need help on offense and address in draft and probably FA.

Old players get hurt  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 2:20 pm : link
I think Reese should have seen injury risk and breakdowns coming
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:20 pm : link
Second Dallas game was the crusher.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:21 pm : link
We have to have strong draft.

Likes 2013 draft class...first three players will be very good players for long time.
RE: Old players get hurt  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:21 pm : link
In comment 11445709 Steve in South Jersey said:
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I think Reese should have seen injury risk and breakdowns coming


hand in hand not playing younger players to prepare them.
sounds like main blame is on personel (players)  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:21 pm : link
agree
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:21 pm : link
Eli and receivers did not play well.

RB's all hurt.
RE: sounds like main blame is on personel (players)  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 2:21 pm : link
In comment 11445715 micky said:
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agree


therefore it is on Reese. He buys the groceries
sounds like mara is on now  
mattlawson : 1/9/2014 2:22 pm : link
thanks for the heads up
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:23 pm : link
Lost our top two RBs.

Hopeful Wilson will play again, but time will tell. Has talent. Can't be only RB. Need rotation. Hopefully get Brown back and maybe look at draft.
may need to look at RB position in draft as well  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:23 pm : link
.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:24 pm : link
Tough FA decisions on who to bring back.


All about allocation of resources. Salary cap.

Love to have Tuck back.
Like to have Tuck back but at right number  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:24 pm : link
.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:25 pm : link
Would have to be right number with Tuck.

Nicks...still think he can be very good player. If not with us, hopefully with someone else. Not his best year. Had a lot of company. Still think quality receiver.
against  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:25 pm : link
additional playoff teams.
thinks there is a lot of work to be done.  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 2:26 pm : link
not a quick fix
always against for extra playoff team  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:26 pm : link
but listen with open mind
If we make teh right decsions in the offseason  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:26 pm : link
we should compete-not only that-in the coaching room is just as important....
doesn't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:28 pm : link
want to play less than 3 preseason games.
likes to have more than two preseason games  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:29 pm : link
it would be more of a chance to see what Nassib would be and what they have.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:30 pm : link
new OC...won't see it this week. Talking with 4...maybe some more.
may be some more canadates than 4 mentioned for OC now  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:31 pm : link
not likely to name a OC this week
admires  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:32 pm : link
Patriots success.
Reese in 10 minutes  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 2:32 pm : link
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the end  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:32 pm : link
.
No questions about General Cornwallis  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/9/2014 2:33 pm : link
or John Wilkes Boothe
Reese  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:33 pm : link
on WFAN next, then Reese on ESPN Radio at 3:30.
really good interview  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 2:33 pm : link
Good questions, good answers
Francesca  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:39 pm : link
this is Tom's offense...will remain Tom's offense.
Francesser  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 2:40 pm : link
"You wanted change, and that's fine, but it's Tom's offense and will remain Tom's offense."
So Tom's offense is broken then.  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:41 pm : link
..
RE: Francesca  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 2:41 pm : link
In comment 11445783 Eric from BBI said:
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this is Tom's offense...will remain Tom's offense.


He's right. And that is how it should be. If you don't like the offense or defense, or ST or than change the head coach.
Reese on  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:46 pm : link
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Didn't hear it  
ghost718 : 1/9/2014 2:47 pm : link
But this Mara interview sounds like a cleaned up version of last weeks press conference.Hopefully he didn't praise Jerry Reese after saying we need better players.
Tom's offense, but each OC  
Big Blue '56 : 1/9/2014 2:48 pm : link
will call it differently and that's WHERE the change will be
"If you start 0-6, there is more than personnel issues."  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:48 pm : link
..
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:49 pm : link
Pugh...play anywhere...LT, RT, RG, LG, OC.
And BBI dumped a lot of criticism on  
chops : 1/9/2014 2:49 pm : link
KK.
Reese thinks Pugh can play anywhere on OL  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 2:49 pm : link
including C.
Beatty  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:49 pm : link
broken leg...expect back.

Want Brewer to play better.

Mosley...they like.

Have age on OL.
they like Mosely and Herman  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:50 pm : link
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ASK HIM ABOUT HIS LB QUOTE  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/9/2014 2:50 pm : link
DAMMIT
They like everybody every year.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 2:51 pm : link
Reese never says anything. This time last season they liked Brewer.
If its TC's Offense  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:51 pm : link
the the option routes-will continue. Easy throws to TE and RB will not happen. Screens will not be emphasized. Players will not be in proper position-will have to adjust to system.
Nicks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:52 pm : link
stay healthy and focus.

Tuck still has tread left on tires.

Tough decisions to make.
micky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:52 pm : link
did he mention Herman? I didn't hear that.
RE: Francesca  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/9/2014 2:53 pm : link
In comment 11445783 Eric from BBI said:
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this is Tom's offense...will remain Tom's offense.


100%.

I have never figured out why folks haven't figured this out yet.

E  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:53 pm : link
yes he did
Short memories here.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/9/2014 2:53 pm : link
Many here were ecstatic where Brewer and Mosley were taken. Many agreed with Reese's choice of these guys as projects with a bunch of potential.
Reeses echoes Mara  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 2:53 pm : link
Young players have to play early. Can't just sit them down and expect them to be good after a couple years.
ORG switch in philosphy  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:54 pm : link
PLAY YOUNG PLAYERS. if this is accomplished-huge start-if they force this upon TC. New offensive system will be huge if they switch from TC's offense.
Wilson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:54 pm : link
look at him differently...has a neck issue...staff thinks he will be able to play, but necks are tricky.
...  
Josh in the City : 1/9/2014 2:54 pm : link
Quote:
@TomRock_Newsday
Jerry Reese says David Wilson will have surgery on his neck this offseason. On WFAN.

So what in the world are they waiting for!?
Wilson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:54 pm : link
will have neck surgery.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:56 pm : link
Jernigan...takes time for players to develop. Victor Cruz plays same spot...didn't get a chance...another thing...he kept getting hurt with nagging injuries.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 2:56 pm : link
Sounds like there's going to be a pretty clear message to Coughlin that he needs to give young guys more of a chance.
Says JJ  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:57 pm : link
combo of coming on just as Cruz came on and part of it also injuries
Looks like it is Miami or bust for Ross  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 2:57 pm : link
Jason Cole ‏@JasonPhilCole 39s
Word I hear is that #Falcons personnel man Lionel Vital has inside track on #Bucs GM job. Marc Ross, Morocco Brown, Lake Dawson also in mix.
Did Francessa just say  
BIG FRED : 1/9/2014 2:58 pm : link
the Lions had nothing to play for week 16 ?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:58 pm : link
Randle...faded at end. Didn't produce a lot at end.
MF "why spend a pick on Nassib?"  
micky : 1/9/2014 2:59 pm : link
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arcarsenal :  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 2:59 pm : link
I wouldn't say that. That didn't come across in the interviews.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:00 pm : link
Nassib...he's going to be fighting for #2 spot. If Eli isn't healthy, we hope he can win some games for us.
Nassib  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:00 pm : link
in practice, he has more confidence and grasp of NFL. More comfortable as year went along.
Francesa doesn't know shit  
Rflairr : 1/9/2014 3:00 pm : link
You won't know if the new OC will be allowed to install his own scheme until Tommy speaks after the hire.

.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 3:01 pm : link
Eric.. it absolutely did.

Both Mara and Reese have alluded to younger players needing more experience and needing to get a chance.
Nassib  
micky : 1/9/2014 3:01 pm : link
you could see in practice of grasping the concepts and etc.
GMs always want young players to play  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 3:01 pm : link
Head coaches get fired for young players mistakes costing games.
Got same production out of TE position  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 3:02 pm : link
that they have the past few years (ughhh)...Thought Myers would catch on.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:02 pm : link
Tight end...Brandon Myers...wasn't as productive as envisioned...had to use TE more as blocker than like.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:03 pm : link
OL...if have resources, will look at FA. Will look at in draft. But need help at lots of positions.
Quite to the studderer  
ronzo : 1/9/2014 3:03 pm : link
Da da da
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:03 pm : link
don't have right big people, hard to win.
if they're....  
BillKo : 1/9/2014 3:04 pm : link
pinning hopes on Brewer and Mosely it will be a huge mistake.

Those guys, any more than backups, are going to put us in a similar position to last year.
ronzo  
Rflairr : 1/9/2014 3:04 pm : link
You better not ever listen to Sandy Alderson then
seen multiple comments above...  
BillKo : 1/9/2014 3:05 pm : link
about younger guys needing to play, so it seems that did come from the interviews.
Nassib fighting for the number 2 spot.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/9/2014 3:06 pm : link
What a pick.
substandard interview  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/9/2014 3:07 pm : link
no discussion of the LB position, the ST coach, their approach with Nicks, his approach to the OL.
RE: Nassib fighting for the number 2 spot.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/9/2014 3:10 pm : link
In comment 11445891 Dave in Hoboken said:
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What a pick.


Agreed. Fighting to try and get the back up position to a QB that hasn't missed a game in years. Worthy of a 4th round pick? Yeahhhhh.
great to say that the younger guys need to play. but what if they  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 3:13 pm : link
aren't playing because they aren't good enough? Was anybody overly impressed with Brewer? Does Moseley inspire confidence? If these guys were ready they would have played. I don't by the favoritism crap. And the JJ narrative is becoming tiresome. 2 games doesn't wipe away 3 yrs of looking lost when he managed to be healthy and on the field. It's stupid to bust on the coaching staff for him.
RE: Nassib fighting for the number 2 spot.  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 3:15 pm : link
In comment 11445891 Dave in Hoboken said:
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What a pick.


agreed. just incredibly stupid. and they gave up a pick to get him.
I was against the Nassib pick  
Big Blue '56 : 1/9/2014 3:15 pm : link
in round 4. If you reasonably project Eli to play 5-7 more years, then what would you be grooming him for? If you need a backup in case of injury, you get a proven backup vet who could take over and keep you competitive. By the time Eli's ready to retire, Nassib will be long gone. Made no sense to me
RE: great to say that the younger guys need to play. but what if they  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 3:17 pm : link
In comment 11445921 Victor in CT said:
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aren't playing because they aren't good enough?


At least you'd know.

Brewer has been here for three years. Only now are we learning that he can't play.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 3:18 pm : link
I think Reese's point with the younger guys was that a lot of times you don't really know if they can or can't play until they get a chance.

Obviously if a guy looks like total shit in practice or hasn't shown anything he shouldn't just be put into a game for no reason, but..

I'm not even saying he's entirely right. But he clearly said that you see a lot of teams around the league with young guys contributing on the field and basically insinuated that he'd like to see more of that here. He himself is kind of the starting point for getting kids good enough to play in here, though.
Sure  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 3:19 pm : link
get Eli killed while Brewer & Mosley make mistakes.
RE: Sure  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 3:20 pm : link
In comment 11445949 Steve in South Jersey said:
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get Eli killed while Brewer & Mosley make mistakes.


have you heard of David Diehl? He's the worst of the bunch.
Francesser thinks Giants fans are "spoiled"  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 3:22 pm : link
because the team has won 2 Super Bowls in 7 years.
RE: RE: great to say that the younger guys need to play. but what if they  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 3:22 pm : link
In comment 11445934 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11445921 Victor in CT said:


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aren't playing because they aren't good enough?



At least you'd know.

Brewer has been here for three years. Only now are we learning that he can't play.


We fans are just learning. I think TC and the staff probably figured it out alot sooner. If they didn't Diehl and Boothe or Cordle would not have been brought back
RE: I was against the Nassib pick  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/9/2014 3:27 pm : link
In comment 11445927 Big Blue '56 said:
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in round 4. If you reasonably project Eli to play 5-7 more years, then what would you be grooming him for? If you need a backup in case of injury, you get a proven backup vet who could take over and keep you competitive. By the time Eli's ready to retire, Nassib will be long gone. Made no sense to me


Exactly.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 3:27 pm : link
Victor Cruz was about a hair away from being cut. Then he got a chance in a game and the rest is history.
We are not spoiled,  
oldog : 1/9/2014 3:31 pm : link
but we do demand excellence. The emphasis on developing young talent faster will go against TCs instincts but is right. Lets hope they can get him to listen, and that Reese picks the right guys in the draft.
Jerry  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:33 pm : link
Reese coming on ESPN Radio in a couple of minutes.
Awww yeahhh...  
Randy in CT : 1/9/2014 3:35 pm : link
Dropping hints!!!!
I completely agree...  
BillKo : 1/9/2014 3:37 pm : link
the Nassib pick (and giving up a pick) looks ridiculous.

This is the type of drafting the Giants need to get away from (going for the project/reach/homerun pick) and instead go for the more "sure" pick that can help the football team in a hurry.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:38 pm : link
can't explain 0-6...blame personnel (himself), players, coaches.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:39 pm : link
Always fear losing your job.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:40 pm : link
Gilbride...wouldn't answer if they would have fired him if not retired.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:42 pm : link
won't answer if Eli will get contract extension.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:42 pm : link
won't say OL was main problem. Combination of lot of things.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:43 pm : link
Defense kept Giants in games. 8th in NFL.
Twenty years of NYG fourth round picks before Nassib:  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/9/2014 3:44 pm : link
2012 Adrien Robinson TE Cincinnati
2012 Brandon Mosley T Auburn
2011 James Brewer T Indiana
2010 Phillip Dillard LB Nebraska
2009 Andre Brown RB North rolina State
2008 Bryan Kehl LB Brigham Young
2007 Zak DeOssie LB Brown
2006 Barry Cofield DT Northwestern
2006 Guy Whimper T East Carolina
2005 Brandon Jacobs RB Southern Illinois
2004 Reggie Torbor DE Auburn
2003 Roderick Babers DB Texas
2001 Cedric Scott DE Southern Mississippi
2001 Jesse Palmer QB Florida
2000 Brandon Short LB Penn State
1999 Sean Bennett RB Northwestern
1997 Pete Monty LB Wisconsin
1996 Danny Kanell QB Florida tate
1995 Rob Zatechka G Nebraska
1995 Ben Talley LB Tennessee
1994 Tito Wooten DB Louisiana-Monroe (Supplemental)
1994 Chris Maumalanga DT Kansas
1993 Greg Bishop T Pacific

Since Keith Hamilton in 1992, our fourth-rounders have been Jacobs, Cofield and 1,427 JAGs - or worse. (OK, a few other guys like Wooten flashed, but not for long.) Obviously, you never want to waste a pick - especially one you traded up for - but the hand-wringing over Nassib is just silly.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:45 pm : link
Tuck...has to make sense for us to re-sign him.

JPP...shoulder kept him out more than back.

Need better punt returner.
RE: Twenty years of NYG fourth round picks before Nassib:  
Reb8thVA : 1/9/2014 3:47 pm : link
In comment 11446061 Big Blue Blogger said:
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2012 Adrien Robinson TE Cincinnati
2012 Brandon Mosley T Auburn
2011 James Brewer T Indiana
2010 Phillip Dillard LB Nebraska
2009 Andre Brown RB North rolina State
2008 Bryan Kehl LB Brigham Young
2007 Zak DeOssie LB Brown
2006 Barry Cofield DT Northwestern
2006 Guy Whimper T East Carolina
2005 Brandon Jacobs RB Southern Illinois
2004 Reggie Torbor DE Auburn
2003 Roderick Babers DB Texas
2001 Cedric Scott DE Southern Mississippi
2001 Jesse Palmer QB Florida
2000 Brandon Short LB Penn State
1999 Sean Bennett RB Northwestern
1997 Pete Monty LB Wisconsin
1996 Danny Kanell QB Florida tate
1995 Rob Zatechka G Nebraska
1995 Ben Talley LB Tennessee
1994 Tito Wooten DB Louisiana-Monroe (Supplemental)
1994 Chris Maumalanga DT Kansas
1993 Greg Bishop T Pacific

Since Keith Hamilton in 1992, our fourth-rounders have been Jacobs, Cofield and 1,427 JAGs - or worse. (OK, a few other guys like Wooten flashed, but not for long.) Obviously, you never want to waste a pick - especially one you traded up for - but the hand-wringing over Nassib is just silly.


Wow, I didn't realize how poorly the organization has done in the fourth round. I thought it was more of a recent phenomenon.
Actually on second thought....  
Reb8thVA : 1/9/2014 3:48 pm : link
maybe its not so bad.
wouldn't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:51 pm : link
answer why Hakeem skipped workouts.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 3:53 pm : link
Chris Snee could be back. Depends on health and desire.
RE: Again  
HomerJones45 : 1/9/2014 3:53 pm : link
In comment 11445661 nygiants1114 said:
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with the JJ injuries...TC started this and it is vastly overblown...Mara covering for TC....he was injured very slightly-nothing to hamper his development like this-ridiculous....


And when he wasn't injured, he sucked. As it stands right now, you've got a player who has done nothing for three years until the last two games of his third year.
.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/9/2014 3:55 pm : link
2012 Adrien Robinson TE Cincinnati
2012 Brandon Mosley T Auburn
2011 James Brewer T Indiana
2009 Andre Brown RB North
2007 Zak DeOssie LB Brown
2006 Barry Cofield DT Northwestern
2006 Guy Whimper T East Carolina
2005 Brandon Jacobs RB Southern Illinois
2004 Reggie Torbor DE Auburn
2000 Brandon Short LB Penn State
1994 Tito Wooten DB Louisiana-Monroe (Supplemental)

Robinson, Mosley and Brewer, still too early to tell...Zak, BJ, Wooten, Torbor and Short Cofield, are/were decent to good players..Whimper was versatile and had some production.

It could be argued that we would have been better off addressing a position other than QB in the 4th..Also, different regimes pick differently, so to draw much conclusion from the picks could be a wasted exercise
RE: RE: Again  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 4:03 pm : link
In comment 11446098 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11445661 nygiants1114 said:


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with the JJ injuries...TC started this and it is vastly overblown...Mara covering for TC....he was injured very slightly-nothing to hamper his development like this-ridiculous....



And when he wasn't injured, he sucked. As it stands right now, you've got a player who has done nothing for three years until the last two games of his third year.


Thank you HJ45!
Maybe the reason why we picked a backup QB in the 4th round  
Jimmy Googs : 1/9/2014 4:07 pm : link
that will never play is because Reese knew we always sucked at drafting players in this particular round anyway.
a minor piece  
Steve in Greenwich : 1/9/2014 4:10 pm : link
but a piece at that which people seem to never mention about the Nassib pick; although his direct impact isn't readily apparent on the field, he can provide a nice insurance to Eli while also providing a nice cap savings moving forward.

Everyone is so caught up in saying he'll never play and if he is needed due to an Eli injury we could just sign a vet ... but with him you have a 2nd string QB locked up for $500K-788K for the next 4 years. Kyle Orton this year made 2 mil. Jason Campbell is making 2.3 mill next year. Those types of veteran backups who could come in and can win a game or two take up a chunk of cap space. For a team that is cash strapped for the next couple of years, and assuming Nassib progresses into a QB who can win games, at the worst he frees up some cap space for what it would cost for a backup QB.
Eli was injured this year  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 4:16 pm : link
if there was another week of games I doubt that Eli could have played.
Steve,  
Big Blue '56 : 1/9/2014 4:18 pm : link
it's Eli. Wanna bet? ;)
The "Eli playing 5-7 years" stuff is  
JOMO25 : 1/9/2014 4:57 pm : link
nonsense.
RE: Beatty  
Toth029 : 1/9/2014 5:04 pm : link
In comment 11445813 Eric from BBI said:
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Have age on OL.
Then they must absolutely let Diehl retire and hope Snee does too. Can't afford to bring both players back like that. Baas is another.
My house has never burned down,  
oldutican : 1/9/2014 5:39 pm : link
but I still buy insurance. Same thing with back-up QBs.
I still buy insurance  
Bill in UT : 1/9/2014 5:58 pm : link
yeah, but you buy it from a company with a good reputaion that you know will pay off. You don't buy it from some startup with no track record.
Nassib isn't close to being ready  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 6:04 pm : link
Reese said today he expects Nassib to "compete" for the #2. He was playing scout team safety for Christ sakes.

If we were all confident he is the #2 next year, and capable of winning a game???= Good pick.

Nobody on this offense has played at a functional levelfor a year and half now.

Nassib's head is probably fucking spinning. Another reason Coughlin needs to change things up a bit.
Young Players  
stretch234 : 1/9/2014 7:45 pm : link
They were forced to play Pugh due to the injuries. Deihl was going to be the RT. That alone tells you they wanted veterans in there whether they could play or not.

With the limited number of practices, how do you accurately tell if a young player is ready. Only way is give him 1st team reps and let him play. They never did that until forced, and still played Deihl. There was no way 1 of the other guys could be worse than being a turnstile.

The Bears basically said screw it, we are playing 2 rookies on the right side. Dallas played a rookie C. NO benched their starting LT to go with a younger guy.
RE: RE: Again  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 7:57 pm : link
In comment 11446098 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 11445661 nygiants1114 said:


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with the JJ injuries...TC started this and it is vastly overblown...Mara covering for TC....he was injured very slightly-nothing to hamper his development like this-ridiculous....



And when he wasn't injured, he sucked. As it stands right now, you've got a player who has done nothing for three years until the last two games of his third year.


You have no idea he sucked-you assume.... he got soo little playing that drawing any conclusion you draw is asinine. when he got even somewhat decent snaps-dominant.
RE: RE: RE: great to say that the younger guys need to play. but what if they  
nygiants1114 : 1/9/2014 7:58 pm : link
In comment 11445961 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 11445934 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 11445921 Victor in CT said:


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aren't playing because they aren't good enough?



At least you'd know.

Brewer has been here for three years. Only now are we learning that he can't play.



We fans are just learning. I think TC and the staff probably figured it out alot sooner. If they didn't Diehl and Boothe or Cordle would not have been brought back


again Diehl was going to start at RT...Same things would have been said about Pugh. TC....
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