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Is the OC interview process for real? Or a sham?

cosmicj : 1/9/2014 9:24 am
Matt SGS posted a very convincing argument about why Mike Sullivan would be the logical candidate to replace Gilbride. Based on that argument and Sullivan's ties to TC and the franchise, I was buying that Sullivan coming back to the team was all but a done deal.

But the fact that the Giants are interviewing some non-obvious but reputable OC candidates like Dowell Loggains and GB QB coach McAdoo is making me wonder whether this is in fact an open competition.

What do you think and why?
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Coughlin hates wasting time.  
an_idol_mind : 1/9/2014 10:37 am : link
The organization as a whole has a lot of work to do this offseason.

Why the fuck would the Giants waste so much time and effort interviewing candidates if the decision is already made? This team has never played that kind of stupid media game.
Make no mistake - Sullivan probably has the inside track.  
an_idol_mind : 1/9/2014 10:38 am : link
But again, there's no way the other candidates aren't being taken seriously.
what would be the motivation for interviewing a bunch  
chris r : 1/9/2014 10:41 am : link
of white OCs they didn't want to hire?
....  
JBGiants : 1/9/2014 10:44 am : link
white OCs? One of them is not white, so...
.....  
JBGiants : 1/9/2014 10:45 am : link
And if that is some sort of stupid Rooney Rule reference, Rooney Rule does not apply to anything but head coaches.
We really don't know  
UberAlias : 1/9/2014 10:46 am : link
I highly doubt that an official decision has been made. Sullivan may very well be expected to get the job, but I doubt they have all sat down and made a decision. In that sense it is not a sham because it could pursuade things, even if the one outcome is more likely and expected.
JB  
chris r : 1/9/2014 10:46 am : link
it was, and I did not know that thanks.



I would be discouraged to think this team engaged in "sham" interviews  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2014 10:48 am : link
That's not something they do here.
I'd be bringing these guys in for ideas and a fair, external analysis  
jcn56 : 1/9/2014 10:49 am : link
of our offense if for nothing else. Have them make their proposals to fix it, and try to establish a common root cause of our flaws from 2013.
....  
JBGiants : 1/9/2014 10:49 am : link
Got it. Yeah, doesn't apply to coordinatiors. Dorrell is indeed black, though.
Not a sham  
Phil from WNY : 1/9/2014 10:50 am : link
but the Giants get to interview a bunch of guys who may be in line to be a future HC or OC. I think it's clear that TC is getting the benefit of the doubt and it's clear that Sullivan is TC's choice but another year like 2013 and TC's at the end of his rope.

It's in everyone's best interest to talk to the Giants because they're the premier organization in the league and a bit of networking opens future doors for them. In addition, the Giants get feedback on how to fix their offense.

The problem with guys like McAdoo is that their systems are so different than TC's as to make them somewhat incongruous - not the thing you want if you're looking for a quick turnaround.
think it's a bunch of bullshit  
ghost718 : 1/9/2014 10:56 am : link
Last time the Giants had to make a change,they interviewed one guy,and his name was Perry.

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arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 10:56 am : link
Due diligence, I think.

They probably favor a guy like Sullivan but they want to see what else is out there before they make a decision. I'm guessing they're leaning one way but want to give someone else the opportunity to change their mind.
ghost  
cosmicj : 1/9/2014 11:01 am : link
If the DC position was filled in 2010 without any additional interviews, doesn't that show that this 2014 OC interviewing process means that there's a legitimate competition for the job?
What the people here fail to realize:  
Vegas Steve : 1/9/2014 11:04 am : link
There are some very sharp minds currently still in the playoffs which the Giants may have their eye on but are unavailable to interview at this time.

When you look at who is left in the playoffs Denver, N.O. and N.E just to name drop.... Do you think their staffs are made up of a bunch of bums?

We need the cream of the crop... so sit tight, be Patient
and trust that all the best Candidates will be interviewed

RE: think it's a bunch of bullshit  
an_idol_mind : 1/9/2014 11:08 am : link
In comment 11445051 ghost718 said:
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Last time the Giants had to make a change,they interviewed one guy,and his name was Perry.


This assertion does not align with the actual facts.
I wonder why some of you are Giants fans  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 11:10 am : link
you seem to think the worst of their motives.
Of course  
NJGiantFan84 : 1/9/2014 11:10 am : link
it's real. If they bring somebody in and he blows them away, they will absolutely sign him. But the personn that blows them away could be Sullivan. They are being smart and not making any quick decisions. I don't see the problem people have with this. Let the process work out.
RE: .  
BrettNYG10 : 1/9/2014 11:11 am : link
In comment 11445053 arcarsenal said:
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Due diligence, I think.

They probably favor a guy like Sullivan but they want to see what else is out there before they make a decision. I'm guessing they're leaning one way but want to give someone else the opportunity to change their mind.


I can agree with this, but continue to think due diligence is legitimate even if there is a favorite.
RE: ghost  
ghost718 : 1/9/2014 11:12 am : link
In comment 11445064 cosmicj said:
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If the DC position was filled in 2010 without any additional interviews, doesn't that show that this 2014 OC interviewing process means that there's a legitimate competition for the job?


Depends how you look at it.I don't think Coughlin views his offensive system the way people on here do.Factor in he knows the talent on the team,and who is supplying him that.Not to mention the previous success he has had running the offense,he might not think the offense needs to be overhauled.
arc beat me to it  
JonC : 1/9/2014 11:14 am : link
Sham seems a strong work in this case, they're definitely performing due diligence and stepping through their process. This is a key hire for the next 2-3 seasons, even if Sully doesn't wind up the next HC.
We can all hope  
mrvax : 1/9/2014 11:16 am : link
that during the interview process some team makes Sullivan an offer he can't refuse.

I think the interviews are for real. If they were certain Sullivan was their man, they would have just named him the new OC and been done with it.
I don't think Coughlin is the 'sham' type.  
Andy in Halifax : 1/9/2014 11:20 am : link
I think he'll be thorough even if he has an early favorite.
There is a front runner in the process  
Headhunter : 1/9/2014 11:24 am : link
as a Headhunter, I'm shocked, totally stunned that they have identified someone they put ahead of the pack. This has never happened before in the history of interviewing.
re:  
Milton : 1/9/2014 11:30 am : link
Quote:
Matt SGS posted a very convincing argument about why Mike Sullivan would be the logical candidate to replace Gilbride.
Matt's argument only demonstrated why the choice of Sullivan would be consistent with choices from the past. But none of us are operating on complete information and the devil is in the details. Ultimately every coach is unique. There may be some in management who were unimpressed with Sullivan. We have no idea.

It doesn't hurt to listen to different ideas on how prospective OC's would maximize Eli's strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Maybe one of them will impress.
Frankly...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2014 11:32 am : link
a bigger sham is when fans on a message board feel they are qualified enough to determine who is and who isn't a good hire based on VERY limited information.

It is IMO the main drawback of fan sites - fans with a limited amount of information at their hands but with a lot of time to post dominate discussions on what is good or bad for a team. Certain names get mentioned and then the majority opines if this will be a good fit or not. You see it time and again with coaching matters and drafting.

Some poster identifies a kid from Bumfuck U and gives his measureables. Shortly after, a group of people decides this has to be the pick for the team, and if it isn't, a mistake has happened. Half of the people disappointed probably have never seen anything other than the measurables posted on BBI and the clips they inevitably show during draft coverage as Team Y selects the dude from Bumfuck U. But they are certain a mistake has been made.

Coaching is the same way. We still have people bemoaning not keeping John Fox over Fassel, yet Fassel's replacement ultimately has given us 2 SB's. Meanwhile, Fox never saw back-to-back winning seasons until he went to the Broncos and lost a playoff game with home field advantage and has no rings.

Half the board didn't know anything about Fewell when he was hired, yet some were adamant the day after that he was either a great hire or a shitty hire, when in reality, he's fallen somewhere in the middle. People still pine for Spags as if he is a magic elixir, yet Fewell's gotten similar results and is routinely trashed here.

Frankly, I have no idea whether Sullivan would be a good OC or not, or whether or not the process is legitimate. I simply don't have enough information to figure that out, and probably won't until well into whomever the OC ends up being has been here a few years.

Because of that it makes it look like I continually support the hires. I don't. I just don't like to lynch people for less than legitimate reasons. I get that it is part of fanhood, but man is it a really annoying part of it.
The may not be interviewing for optics  
endwerc : 1/9/2014 11:38 am : link
but I have a hard time believing they want to hire anybody but Sullivan. So in a sense, that does make it a sham.

However, there are some real and shrewd reasons to go through the interview process. They get free outside scouting on personnel and scheme, and given the perceived lack of self-scouting acumen on this board, that can only be a good thing. There may also be opportunities to extract info on other clubs and players. So while this process has value, I would be shocked if anyone other than Sully is hired.
Fatman...Then why frequent the site?  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 11:41 am : link
Isn't that the fun of being a fan? Fans speculating/offering opinions is the point of it.

You find it annoying, but I find your whole: "I'm smarter than everyone and will everyone names, but won't offer an actual opinion" shtick annoying.

Get over yourself.
If you don't think...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2014 11:43 am : link
I offer any opinions then you clearly stop reading the first time I call somebody a fucktard.

There are many reasons to be on BBI - to me speculation about things isn't one of my favorites, probably why I find mock drafts and rating people fantasy teams a colossal waste of time.
FMiC,  
NJGiantFan84 : 1/9/2014 11:45 am : link
Great Post!! I tend to be optimistic about Coaches & drafted players even though I do have my personal favorites. But I agree that the disdain for Sullivan that has already appeared on this board is premature.

Outside of hiring Lane Kiffin, it will be a tall order for me to hate the new OC before games get played.

You don't like speculating about things?  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 11:46 am : link
Isn't that the point of the fucking site? I can read the Daily News for Giants info. Why the fuck would I come to BBI (and donate) if I didn't want to speculate about my favorite team?

Give me a break.
RE: Frankly...  
AnotherGiantsFan : 1/9/2014 11:47 am : link
In comment 11445145 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a bigger sham is when fans on a message board feel they are qualified enough to determine who is and who isn't a good hire based on VERY limited information.

It is IMO the main drawback of fan sites - fans with a limited amount of information at their hands but with a lot of time to post dominate discussions on what is good or bad for a team. Certain names get mentioned and then the majority opines if this will be a good fit or not. You see it time and again with coaching matters and drafting.

Some poster identifies a kid from Bumfuck U and gives his measureables. Shortly after, a group of people decides this has to be the pick for the team, and if it isn't, a mistake has happened. Half of the people disappointed probably have never seen anything other than the measurables posted on BBI and the clips they inevitably show during draft coverage as Team Y selects the dude from Bumfuck U. But they are certain a mistake has been made.

Coaching is the same way. We still have people bemoaning not keeping John Fox over Fassel, yet Fassel's replacement ultimately has given us 2 SB's. Meanwhile, Fox never saw back-to-back winning seasons until he went to the Broncos and lost a playoff game with home field advantage and has no rings.

Half the board didn't know anything about Fewell when he was hired, yet some were adamant the day after that he was either a great hire or a shitty hire, when in reality, he's fallen somewhere in the middle. People still pine for Spags as if he is a magic elixir, yet Fewell's gotten similar results and is routinely trashed here.

Frankly, I have no idea whether Sullivan would be a good OC or not, or whether or not the process is legitimate. I simply don't have enough information to figure that out, and probably won't until well into whomever the OC ends up being has been here a few years.

Because of that it makes it look like I continually support the hires. I don't. I just don't like to lynch people for less than legitimate reasons. I get that it is part of fanhood, but man is it a really annoying part of it.


I agree with this. It's one of the few reasons why I haven't been posting on here. While I have my reservations and opinions, I simply can't give any real analysis on who is best for the job so I won't pretend to do so. I had no problem saying I didn't think Pugh was an OT at the pro level when we drafted him or saying we overpaid Beatty when we made the signing, but that's because I actually formed that opinion from watching, not just throwing shit at the wall or to hear myself talk.

There was a Clowney thread like a week ago and there were posters saying outright they never or barely seen the kid play but had no problem saying they didn't think he'd be a good pro or say he's not as good as another prospect they barely watched (Barr). It's for the birds.
FatMan  
Matt M. : 1/9/2014 11:50 am : link
Excellent post. This is why i remain mostly quiet about coaching replacements (at least other than HC). I don't know enough about the body of work of most coaches (coordinators) at other teams.

You are spot on about Spags vs. Fewell. First, Fewell's D has had similar results. Second, since leaving here, Spags has not had one good, let alone great D. He is about the most overrated ex-Giants coach out there, in my opinion.
I vote for sham  
bignygfan : 1/9/2014 12:11 pm : link
That would seem like the Giants.
uhhh, the leading candidates may still be very busy right now?  
alligatorpie : 1/9/2014 12:21 pm : link
?
I don't think Sullivan  
Big Rick in FL : 1/9/2014 12:24 pm : link
will be the OC here. If they wanted him he would be the OC already. They know a lot about his coaching style & schemes. The Giants aren't a team to interview guys just for sake of interviewing them. One of the voaches we are bringing in interviewed for a HC job yesterday. I think they are all legit interviews & the longer times goes by the less likely Sullivan gets hired IMO.
The Giants don't do sham interviews  
dpinzow : 1/9/2014 12:50 pm : link
Sullivan is the favorite because he has experience with the team but if someone else blows them away (like this GB QB coach) then he could definitely win the job
RE: I don't think Sullivan  
NJGiantFan84 : 1/9/2014 1:13 pm : link
In comment 11445314 Big Rick in FL said:
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will be the OC here. If they wanted him he would be the OC already. They know a lot about his coaching style & schemes. The Giants aren't a team to interview guys just for sake of interviewing them. One of the voaches we are bringing in interviewed for a HC job yesterday. I think they are all legit interviews & the longer times goes by the less likely Sullivan gets hired IMO.


I don't think the fact that Sullivan hasn't been hired yet says anything at all. The Giants are not an organization that makes rash decisions. They won't just hire someone immediately after the interview. They also wouldn't make a decision before interviewing people. So Sullivan being the favorite doesn't mean he is the guy, it means that he is the favorite at the moment. They could easily bring someone in who blows them away and end up hiring that person. They could also just as easily hire Sullivan.

The interview process is for real, but that doesn't mean Sullivan won't get the job. It means the Giants are taking their time, doing their due dilligence and are going to make what they feel is the best decision for the future of the organization.

I think Mara just answered the question on the Francesa intervew:  
cosmicj : 1/9/2014 2:35 pm : link
...
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2:30 pm : link : reply
new OC...won't see it this week. Talking with 4...maybe some more.

(Eric is summarizing Mara's statement.)

To me, this clearly means there is an open competition.
Per Mara on WFAN...  
drkenneth : 1/9/2014 11:35 pm : link
Reese is involved in the interviews..I don't think he'd be in a rush to go back to the status quo.
I guess we'll find out now  
Bill in UT : 1/11/2014 8:27 pm : link
if they were waiting to interview anyone on the Saints' staff
I think we bring in Carmichael or Lombardy from NO  
GMenLTS : 1/11/2014 8:39 pm : link
this week.
and no I don't think the process is a sham at all  
GMenLTS : 1/11/2014 8:40 pm : link
.
i think its ridiculous to assume  
Blue Blood : 1/11/2014 8:43 pm : link
that the Giants are putting on a horse and pony show with people flying in from all over to appease " the fans " really ??

lets see if they bring in someone from the Saints and which person it is.
gah  
GMenLTS : 1/11/2014 8:50 pm : link
**Lombardi
I don't think there's any chance of this being a sham. Indeed,  
yatqb : 1/11/2014 8:59 pm : link
I could see Sully being offered the QB coach job (or nothing) when we hire another OC. No one seems to be knocking down his door.
I'll add one thing. If they bring in anyone whose calls  
yatqb : 1/11/2014 9:10 pm : link
are so detailed or late in coming as to give Eli no time at the line I'll puke. That has GOT to be addressed. Up tempo play is a formidable weapon.
I wonder whether the team might have any interest in  
yatqb : 1/11/2014 10:44 pm : link
bringing in the Colts' Clyde Christensen for an OC interview. He has a long and seemingly good record as an OC, but was replaced as OC by Pep Hamilton (out of Stanford) this year, and demoted to QB coach. An unusual demotion given Luck's success last year. Anyone know more about him and what the story was there?
I think the questions been answered pretty  
cosmicj : 1/15/2014 2:42 pm : link
Definitively now.
RE: I think the questions been answered pretty  
Del Shofner : 1/15/2014 2:45 pm : link
In comment 11457820 cosmicj said:
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Definitively now.


yep, clearly a sham! :-)
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