Matt SGS posted a very convincing argument about why Mike Sullivan would be the logical candidate to replace Gilbride. Based on that argument and Sullivan's ties to TC and the franchise, I was buying that Sullivan coming back to the team was all but a done deal.
But the fact that the Giants are interviewing some non-obvious but reputable OC candidates like Dowell Loggains and GB QB coach McAdoo is making me wonder whether this is in fact an open competition.
What do you think and why?
My take is that there is no reason to conduct a charade of interviews--these guys are all in the running.
why do you and so many others insist that Sullivan is slam dunk HC material and a shoo in to succeed TC? Based on what?
This seems like kind of the same situation.
Eli needs a new voice in his ear, a new perspective, and a good shaking up. Bringing in a guy to tell him what he wants to hear or with pre-established expectations of him would be a mistake at this point.
I know Coughlin isn't going to hire someone with ideas far and away from his own, but it needs to be a guy to put some internal pressure on manning. These turnovers (and other issues) are not ok, and need to be approached seriously.
Why the fuck would the Giants waste so much time and effort interviewing candidates if the decision is already made? This team has never played that kind of stupid media game.
It's in everyone's best interest to talk to the Giants because they're the premier organization in the league and a bit of networking opens future doors for them. In addition, the Giants get feedback on how to fix their offense.
The problem with guys like McAdoo is that their systems are so different than TC's as to make them somewhat incongruous - not the thing you want if you're looking for a quick turnaround.
They probably favor a guy like Sullivan but they want to see what else is out there before they make a decision. I'm guessing they're leaning one way but want to give someone else the opportunity to change their mind.
When you look at who is left in the playoffs Denver, N.O. and N.E just to name drop.... Do you think their staffs are made up of a bunch of bums?
We need the cream of the crop... so sit tight, be Patient
and trust that all the best Candidates will be interviewed
This assertion does not align with the actual facts.
They probably favor a guy like Sullivan but they want to see what else is out there before they make a decision. I'm guessing they're leaning one way but want to give someone else the opportunity to change their mind.
I can agree with this, but continue to think due diligence is legitimate even if there is a favorite.
Depends how you look at it.I don't think Coughlin views his offensive system the way people on here do.Factor in he knows the talent on the team,and who is supplying him that.Not to mention the previous success he has had running the offense,he might not think the offense needs to be overhauled.
I think the interviews are for real. If they were certain Sullivan was their man, they would have just named him the new OC and been done with it.
It doesn't hurt to listen to different ideas on how prospective OC's would maximize Eli's strengths and minimize his weaknesses. Maybe one of them will impress.
It is IMO the main drawback of fan sites - fans with a limited amount of information at their hands but with a lot of time to post dominate discussions on what is good or bad for a team. Certain names get mentioned and then the majority opines if this will be a good fit or not. You see it time and again with coaching matters and drafting.
Some poster identifies a kid from Bumfuck U and gives his measureables. Shortly after, a group of people decides this has to be the pick for the team, and if it isn't, a mistake has happened. Half of the people disappointed probably have never seen anything other than the measurables posted on BBI and the clips they inevitably show during draft coverage as Team Y selects the dude from Bumfuck U. But they are certain a mistake has been made.
Coaching is the same way. We still have people bemoaning not keeping John Fox over Fassel, yet Fassel's replacement ultimately has given us 2 SB's. Meanwhile, Fox never saw back-to-back winning seasons until he went to the Broncos and lost a playoff game with home field advantage and has no rings.
Half the board didn't know anything about Fewell when he was hired, yet some were adamant the day after that he was either a great hire or a shitty hire, when in reality, he's fallen somewhere in the middle. People still pine for Spags as if he is a magic elixir, yet Fewell's gotten similar results and is routinely trashed here.
Frankly, I have no idea whether Sullivan would be a good OC or not, or whether or not the process is legitimate. I simply don't have enough information to figure that out, and probably won't until well into whomever the OC ends up being has been here a few years.
Because of that it makes it look like I continually support the hires. I don't. I just don't like to lynch people for less than legitimate reasons. I get that it is part of fanhood, but man is it a really annoying part of it.
However, there are some real and shrewd reasons to go through the interview process. They get free outside scouting on personnel and scheme, and given the perceived lack of self-scouting acumen on this board, that can only be a good thing. There may also be opportunities to extract info on other clubs and players. So while this process has value, I would be shocked if anyone other than Sully is hired.
You find it annoying, but I find your whole: "I'm smarter than everyone and will everyone names, but won't offer an actual opinion" shtick annoying.
Get over yourself.
There are many reasons to be on BBI - to me speculation about things isn't one of my favorites, probably why I find mock drafts and rating people fantasy teams a colossal waste of time.
Outside of hiring Lane Kiffin, it will be a tall order for me to hate the new OC before games get played.
Give me a break.
It is IMO the main drawback of fan sites - fans with a limited amount of information at their hands but with a lot of time to post dominate discussions on what is good or bad for a team. Certain names get mentioned and then the majority opines if this will be a good fit or not. You see it time and again with coaching matters and drafting.
Some poster identifies a kid from Bumfuck U and gives his measureables. Shortly after, a group of people decides this has to be the pick for the team, and if it isn't, a mistake has happened. Half of the people disappointed probably have never seen anything other than the measurables posted on BBI and the clips they inevitably show during draft coverage as Team Y selects the dude from Bumfuck U. But they are certain a mistake has been made.
Coaching is the same way. We still have people bemoaning not keeping John Fox over Fassel, yet Fassel's replacement ultimately has given us 2 SB's. Meanwhile, Fox never saw back-to-back winning seasons until he went to the Broncos and lost a playoff game with home field advantage and has no rings.
Half the board didn't know anything about Fewell when he was hired, yet some were adamant the day after that he was either a great hire or a shitty hire, when in reality, he's fallen somewhere in the middle. People still pine for Spags as if he is a magic elixir, yet Fewell's gotten similar results and is routinely trashed here.
Frankly, I have no idea whether Sullivan would be a good OC or not, or whether or not the process is legitimate. I simply don't have enough information to figure that out, and probably won't until well into whomever the OC ends up being has been here a few years.
Because of that it makes it look like I continually support the hires. I don't. I just don't like to lynch people for less than legitimate reasons. I get that it is part of fanhood, but man is it a really annoying part of it.
I agree with this. It's one of the few reasons why I haven't been posting on here. While I have my reservations and opinions, I simply can't give any real analysis on who is best for the job so I won't pretend to do so. I had no problem saying I didn't think Pugh was an OT at the pro level when we drafted him or saying we overpaid Beatty when we made the signing, but that's because I actually formed that opinion from watching, not just throwing shit at the wall or to hear myself talk.
There was a Clowney thread like a week ago and there were posters saying outright they never or barely seen the kid play but had no problem saying they didn't think he'd be a good pro or say he's not as good as another prospect they barely watched (Barr). It's for the birds.
You are spot on about Spags vs. Fewell. First, Fewell's D has had similar results. Second, since leaving here, Spags has not had one good, let alone great D. He is about the most overrated ex-Giants coach out there, in my opinion.
I don't think the fact that Sullivan hasn't been hired yet says anything at all. The Giants are not an organization that makes rash decisions. They won't just hire someone immediately after the interview. They also wouldn't make a decision before interviewing people. So Sullivan being the favorite doesn't mean he is the guy, it means that he is the favorite at the moment. They could easily bring someone in who blows them away and end up hiring that person. They could also just as easily hire Sullivan.
The interview process is for real, but that doesn't mean Sullivan won't get the job. It means the Giants are taking their time, doing their due dilligence and are going to make what they feel is the best decision for the future of the organization.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2:30 pm : link : reply
new OC...won't see it this week. Talking with 4...maybe some more.
(Eric is summarizing Mara's statement.)
To me, this clearly means there is an open competition.
lets see if they bring in someone from the Saints and which person it is.
yep, clearly a sham! :-)