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A thought regarding Snee

NYGmen58 : 1/9/2014 12:07 pm
He said that he would like to return to the Giants next season assuming he is "wanted" back.

I am not sure to what extent he will renegotiate his contract but assuming he is 100% and takes a pay cut, do we want him back?

I would say absolutely, but here is my idea/suggestion: Could the Giants move him to Center? He certainly has the smarts to make the line calls and center is a little less physically demanding then playing guard. Snee has always been good at getting to the next level and playing center would require less than mobility pulling outside on screens/toss plays or trap blocking on power plays.

He has always taken snaps as an "emergency" center, so I can't imagine it would be a difficult move.

Any opinions?
For vet min or close to that  
Blue Baller : 1/9/2014 12:08 pm : link
I'd take him back to see if he can bounce back

No idea if he can play center but its not like we are stacked at guard so why move him?
Eh  
JonC : 1/9/2014 12:10 pm : link
I'm not counting on Snee at all. Dude's a warrior but hasn't been a good football player for awhile, and not getting any younger with surgeries, etc.

If they want to bring him back, there has to be a big paycut attached.
We don't have a whole lot on the OL  
jcn56 : 1/9/2014 12:12 pm : link
I'd bring him back at close to minimum in a reserve capacity provided he checks out.
Blue Baller  
NYGmen58 : 1/9/2014 12:13 pm : link
Move him because he may be better suited to play Center at this point given his injuries, skill set, intelligence, etc.

If he could be more effective at center than guard, given some of the reasons I shared, may be worth considering.

Hell NO, unless you're a glutton for punishment  
Optimus-NY : 1/9/2014 12:17 pm : link


Under no circumstances. Why would you want a declining, old, injured veteran at a position of need--even as a backup? He offers no positional or roster versatility either by the way.

The whole idea of getting better during this transition is to cut bait with guys like Snee, not continue along with them.
The medical staff  
old man : 1/9/2014 12:20 pm : link
may need to make his decision for him, and the FO.

BOTH HIPS and a bunch of boo-boos, in 10 years in the NFL.

The team owns the bulk of the '14 contract big hit,along w/Baas, no matter what. They have to decide if there is any way those guys can contribute at some price even if they cut and re-sign or restructure.
At best, IMO, those guys are backups at this point.
They play in the crux of the OL so they can not 'get cute' or give minimal effort so as not to get hurt.
If it was any other team,  
Default : 1/9/2014 12:21 pm : link
with any other coach i'd say yes for vet minimum at a backup spot.

But you know that's not going to happen here.
He'll be a starter in training camp.
A pay cut does nothing as far as dealing with Snee...  
chrispisano66 : 1/9/2014 12:22 pm : link
We've gone that route with Webster and Diehl.

Unfortunately an older, ineffective football player is a waste of a roster spot at any annual salary.

I don't mean to diminish what these guys have done for the organization, they are all-time Giants but it should be the end of the road for Snee, Diehl, Webster and even though he probably has alittle more left than the others, Tuck.
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arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 12:25 pm : link
No, it's time to move on. Relying on Snee in any capacity again would be a mistake. No reason to have not learned that lesson this season.
Optimus, I disagree, though playing  
barens : 1/9/2014 12:28 pm : link
Center is a real shot in the dark.

I agree with cutting bait, It looks like Diehl may retire, and Bass' injuries seem more serious than Snee's. I don't know how $$ will play out, but Snee is going to have plenty of time to recover, and if the Giants think he's got enough in the tank, I'd be all for it. Heck, it worked out really well for Justin Tuck.
Still trying to catch lightning in a bottle??  
mamamia : 1/9/2014 12:34 pm : link
Long shot at best . I think we are living in the past
RE: Optimus, I disagree, though playing  
Optimus-NY : 1/9/2014 12:40 pm : link
In comment 11445324 barens said:
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Center is a real shot in the dark.

I agree with cutting bait, It looks like Diehl may retire, and Bass' injuries seem more serious than Snee's. I don't know how $$ will play out, but Snee is going to have plenty of time to recover, and if the Giants think he's got enough in the tank, I'd be all for it. Heck, it worked out really well for Justin Tuck.


You can disagree all you want. It makes no sense. I'll bet you any amount of money you want that he won't be back here net season. Don't think for a second that the Giants are blind to what happened this year with Snee and the OL as a unit. Just look at Mara's comments regarding the OL being priority #1. The Cap Savings for cutting Snee are enormous too by the way ($7.25 M). If he retires, it works the same as if he were cut from a cap perspective. He's not coming back.
it's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 12:49 pm : link
not just both hips, it's the elbow. And it affects his ability to lift.
Perhaps the greatest OG in Giants history...  
M.S. : 1/9/2014 12:55 pm : link
...now at the end of his line.
Not a bad idea  
TMS : 1/9/2014 1:00 pm : link
Snee is a smart tough FB guy who would be playing because he wants to in that case. He may very well be able to make the switch to Center for a few more years. TC will know for sure.
The scary part is that despite the fact that he is breaking down  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 1:02 pm : link
and is probably done, they have no obvious starter at RG and may have to bring him back at a severely reduced salary and hope they get lucky for a year.
The only thought about Snee  
mrvax : 1/9/2014 1:05 pm : link
that one should entertain is where to throw his retirement party. Want to improve the Old Line? Cut ties right away with Baas, Snee and Diehl.
..."assuming he is 100%"  
Some Fan : 1/9/2014 1:17 pm : link
Yes, of course, but how will the team get comfortable that he is 100%. It seems like his issues are chronic.
Since witnessing Rich Seubert,s resurrection I have learned  
PeterS : 1/9/2014 1:17 pm : link
to never say never.
If they keep Snee  
Gman11 : 1/9/2014 1:20 pm : link
then it's obvious they haven't learned their lesson.
Even if Snee is a 100%...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/9/2014 1:37 pm : link
that will last about 3/4 of a game and he'll have some type of relapse or new issue. He'll never be reliable again and that makes bringing him back a "no-go".

Why do so many on BBI think a good strategy for dealing with a perennial starter that is in obvious decline, is for the guy to take a pay cut and become a reserve player on the roster? This almost never plays out well for the organization and is why the typical "mo" for most teams is to just cut or not re-sign these types of guys.
ok, everyone wants Snee out. I agree he is old and broken down.  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 2:16 pm : link
but who is the replacement? I still haven't seen any suggestions. I don't think they will cut him (unless it's strictly a medical decision) until after FA and the draft.
Victor, you haven't seen any suggestions?  
Klaatu : 1/9/2014 2:37 pm : link
Free Agent Guards have been discussed here and here, and I'm sure they've been discussed in other threads as well.
Victor  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2014 2:39 pm : link
there have been several discussions about what to do at guard. There have been suggestions like signing a free agent like Asamoah to drafting Travis Swanson, David Yankey etc.
As for Snee there is no way he will remain on the roster with an 11 million dollar cap number especially after free agency.
my fault for not stating the point correctly. No way he's back at 11  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 3:29 pm : link
million agreed. But none of those guys are on the roster yet to replace him, that's why I don't think they do anything with him until after FA and the draft. And I think it's advantageous from a cap standpoint if they wait until June 1 .
Victor  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2014 3:33 pm : link
I just don't see how it is advantageous. Cutting Snee frees up about 7 million of cap space that the Giants can use during free agency. That money alone could go to a player like Asamoah or Mack, although it is unlikely Mack hits free agency, rather than be tied into a player who may never physically be able to play again.
Remember  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2014 3:34 pm : link
you don't have to wait until June 1st anymore to cut a player. They can be cut before then and designated as a june 1st cut.
RE: Remember  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 3:35 pm : link
In comment 11446013 Jay on the Island said:
Quote:
you don't have to wait until June 1st anymore to cut a player. They can be cut before then and designated as a june 1st cut.


I did not know that. But with the draft now in May there is no hurry.
Yeah but free agency  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2014 3:36 pm : link
starts in March.
RE: Victor  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2014 3:37 pm : link
In comment 11446008 Jay on the Island said:
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I just don't see how it is advantageous. Cutting Snee frees up about 7 million of cap space that the Giants can use during free agency. That money alone could go to a player like Asamoah or Mack, although it is unlikely Mack hits free agency, rather than be tied into a player who may never physically be able to play again.


If they can sign either of those guys then yes, cut him and thank him very much for a great career
It's the last year of his contract  
fkap : 1/9/2014 3:40 pm : link
don't think you can do the June 1st thingy. Believe that's for players with multiple years left on the contract. It's not a good idea anyway. While you gain space this year, you lose space next year. You're saving 7 mil in cap space. Don't get greedy.
I suspect that Snee would be willing to take a huge pay cut  
yatqb : 1/9/2014 3:42 pm : link
and sign an incentive-laden contract. If there was a minimal (or no) bonus involved, the team really has nothing to lose by bringing him back on a trial basis, even if he's seen as depth rather than a starter.

I'd hope they do so, but also that they bring in at least 3 new OL to compete for positions.
There really isn't a benefit to designating Snee  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2014 3:43 pm : link
a June 1st cut even if it is an option. They get over 7 million by terminating his contract.
I wouldn't mind  
fkap : 1/9/2014 3:48 pm : link
bringing him back at a minimum salary to be a backup. Assuming he's in the same shape as when he hurt his second hip, he's good enough as a backup. The problem, as someone else said, is that TC and Co are going to be too tempted to start him. The second problem is that he doesn't really offer versatility (I suppose he could learn to be a backup C), which the Giants value.

Overall, I'd rather just part ways, and bring in new, younger blood.
Can't be done  
HomerJones45 : 1/9/2014 4:18 pm : link
with the cap number he is carrying. And that assumes he is 100% healthy.
Snee will never  
area junc : 1/9/2014 6:37 pm : link
be "Snee" again. as pointed out above, he can't power-lift anymore. his whole game was built around that Olympic strength
Guys..........Snee CAN'T bedesignated a post June 1st cut.  
Optimus-NY : 1/9/2014 9:48 pm : link
He would have to have at least 2 more years left on his deal. He only has one:



Chris Snee's salary cap page courtesy of overthecap.com - ( New Window )
I keep sayin' it, but only because I have to:  
81_Great_Dane : 1/10/2014 4:38 am : link
I don't think anybody posting on BBI has any idea what Chris Snee is still capable of on a football field (including me, of course). He hasn't been healthy for two years. Maybe that means his body is shot. Maybe not. He's not old for an O-lineman.

The most ominous thing I've heard is the slow recovery from elbow surgery. But if he gets by that in time to be ready for training camp, I don't think there's any way to know what we might see from him -- or how durable he can be.
Time marches on..  
Q : 1/10/2014 6:43 pm : link
Diehl, Suebert, O'Hara, Snee, McKenzie.

That was some line.

Sigh.
Whatever he's got left  
Bill in UT : 1/10/2014 7:05 pm : link
I can't see it being worth $7M
Its over for Snee...  
Jimmy Googs : 1/11/2014 9:17 am : link
thanks for the memories.
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