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Boylhart's Mock: Evans to the Giants

TC : 1/9/2014 4:46 pm
Boylhart has the Giants taking WR Mike Evans with their first pick, with OT Cyrus Kouandjio as their fall back.

Says Johnny Football goes #1 to the Texans.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised.
I wonder  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/9/2014 4:49 pm : link
how much losing those two draft spots by beating the Skins will hurt.
Mike Evans is a possibility.  
Blue Blood : 1/9/2014 4:49 pm : link
I do not expect the Giants to take a tackle in the first round.
I give thumbs up to that one.  
BeerFridge : 1/9/2014 4:50 pm : link
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Big thumbs  
MookGiants : 1/9/2014 4:51 pm : link
down for me
No way they take Evans.  
section125 : 1/9/2014 4:53 pm : link
Some of these guys don't pay attention - surprised with Boylhart. How is Evans a top 12 player; never mind top 12 that the Giants would take.
RE: Big thumbs  
AcidTest : 1/9/2014 4:54 pm : link
In comment 11446225 MookGiants said:
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down for me


This. We can do better.
Eric,  
TC : 1/9/2014 4:54 pm : link
I don't think there's anyway to know until a couple years down the road.

I'd be happy with Evans. He looks to have solid skill for his position and will likely improve in the NFL. Comparisons to players like Barden, simply because they're both tall, are unwarranted.
Boylhart says,  
TC : 1/9/2014 4:57 pm : link
"Mike needs to be paired up with an accurate strong armed quarterback to reach his full potential. Im sorrythats just B.S. -- he just needs to get to the NFL as quickly as possible!"

Praises his route running and football intelligence.

Not a fan  
Mike in NY : 1/9/2014 5:00 pm : link
He has size, but I do not see the quickness to his game that is the difference between a Joe Jurevicius/Reggie Williams versus Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson. If he cannot separate from DB's what good is he going to be in the NFL?
I do not like taking a WR in the top half of the 1st round,  
Clearwater Joe : 1/9/2014 5:01 pm : link
history shows that not many turn out to be top players. Look at Nicks year, he was about the 5th WR taken, and to date, it is between him and I guess Crabtree as to which have had the best years.
I don't like taking Evans that high  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2014 5:02 pm : link
especially when the Giants are in position to get a stud OL like Robinson at that spot.
Here is what Boylhart thinks of Evans  
TMS : 1/9/2014 5:04 pm : link
Mike is a franchise wide receiver. He has those strong hands you look for in a #1 wide receiver along with the body type, quickness, and speed to run all the routes and catch the ball. He likes the physical part of the game. On deep passes he will use his big body to shield the ball from the defender like a tight end and he will make the difficult catch while adjusting to the ball in the air. He can get deep because he has surprising quickness off the line, strength down the field and cannot be moved off his route. He has a very high football IQ and understands how to run routes to get open. Mike will move the chains on third down from outside as a wide receiver or being used as a slot receiver. He is a matchup nightmare for cornerbacks because of his size, strength, and quickness. In the slot he is too quick, fast, and has the needed strength equal to deal with the linebackers and safeties. He has excellent feet and great balance and will fight for the ball in the air. He has that nasty attitude that QBs like to see in a receiver who they depend on to move the chains. Mike will catch the ball when everyone in the stadium knows the ball is going to him. He has good run after the catch skills and, because of his size, is very hard to bring down. I call him Mike (the Hump) Evans because during the most difficult times in a game, when others are struggling and making mistakes, Mike will get the whole team over the hump and back on the right track if you keep throwing him the ball.
Boylhart sees Robinson . . . .  
TC : 1/9/2014 5:04 pm : link
going #2 to the Rams.

OT's, QB's and WR's DO go high.
If  
AcidTest : 1/9/2014 5:22 pm : link
Robinson and Dennard are off the board, you trade down.
With the rash of quality underclassmen declaring  
Beer Man : 1/9/2014 5:42 pm : link
this is starting to become a very deep draft. Trading down a few spots to pick-up an extra early pick is not a bad idea
I like Evans, but not at 12.  
yatqb : 1/9/2014 5:52 pm : link
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Is Boylhart's mock by subscription?  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 5:56 pm : link
if not, what is the URL?
What good will it be to draft  
Gman11 : 1/9/2014 5:59 pm : link
a WR if Eli can't get the ball to him because he's flat on his back?
Where does he have Marquise Lee?  
barens : 1/9/2014 6:01 pm : link
He's going to be quite the steal.
RE: Is Boylhart's mock by subscription?  
rasbutant : 1/9/2014 6:02 pm : link
In comment 11446333 Steve in South Jersey said:
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if not, what is the URL?


Yes, $15/yr, it's worth it I think.
Okay  
Steve in South Jersey : 1/9/2014 6:05 pm : link
what is the URL of his website so that we can subscribe?
Left tackle and left guard with first and second picks  
mikepaz56 : 1/9/2014 6:06 pm : link
Should be a priority. Protecting Eli and reestablishing run game is a priority. Spend the money on Alex Mack for center and don't resign nicks

Move Pugh t right guard and take a chance to see if Beatty can play right tackle. If not then cut him in 2015 and deal with the cap casualty. But Beatty can't play left tackle and sooner or later if Reese doesn't address the left side of the line it will get Eli hurt

Mock draft  
mikepaz56 : 1/9/2014 6:12 pm : link
1. Greg Robinson OT

2. Cyril Richardson OG

3. Keith McGill. Cb

4. Stanley jean baptister cb

5. James wilder RB

6. Deanthony Thomas WR pr/kr

Here's the URL for he Huddle Report.  
TC : 1/9/2014 6:20 pm : link
Obviously, I think it's worth the 15 bucks. Boylhart may be right, or he may be wrong, but he's always entertaining!

THR & Boylhart - ( New Window )
No  
Mark from Jersey : 1/9/2014 6:41 pm : link
To Evans
The Giants aren't drafting an OLT in the first  
Big Blue '56 : 1/9/2014 6:57 pm : link
unless a Munoz, Ogden or Walter Jones miraculously falls to them. Tey need an interior upgrade and can certainly live and do fine with the tackles they have..
Kf the Giants draft Mike Evans  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/9/2014 7:07 pm : link
in the first round, I will become a Colts fan. He is not quick enough to play effectively at the NFL level. He has a high bust quotient -- Mike Williams, USC re-incarnated.
That should be  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/9/2014 7:08 pm : link
"If"
Evans  
stretch234 : 1/9/2014 7:32 pm : link
What does he do that translates to the NFL to warrant the 12th pick - nothing.

He is not a good route runner

He is not good getting off press coverage

he is not fast

He is bigger, slower version of Plax. Vincent Jackson ran 4.46 at the combine - Evans does not look like he is close to that

You don't take a player at 12 with that much in question.
RE: The Giants aren't drafting an OLT in the first  
mrvax : 1/9/2014 7:40 pm : link
In comments Big Blue '56 said:
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unless a Munoz, Ogden or Walter Jones miraculously falls to them. Tey need an interior upgrade and can certainly live and do fine with the tackles they have..


I would have agreed until Beatty broke his leg. Now not only is his 2013 play suspect but his physical health is suspect. There are no other guys on the team (except RT Pugh) who can play LT.

LT's are too expensive to land a good one in free agency. I believe the possibility of the Giants liking a guy in the first is certainly there. If not, they still have to come out of this draft with a decent tackle prospect because they can't buy a veteran and can't count 100% on Beatty.
RE: I wonder  
AnishPatel : 1/9/2014 7:42 pm : link
In comment 11446216 Eric from BBI said:
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how much losing those two draft spots by beating the Skins will hurt.


Eric from BBI, if we lost the last 2 games we would have been good shape. If that mock played out like that I would be pissed if we got Evans.
I really wanted Eli to start  
mrvax : 1/9/2014 7:48 pm : link
the last 2 games and give the young quarterback they just drafted and gave up a pick to move up for him some playing time.

How else is Nassib going to get better or even properly evaluated? Imagine if he shined during those 2 games? Nassib's name may have been thrown around on draft day 2014.

Instead we have a #12 draft position, a totally unknown Nassib and an injury to Eli Manning! Great job!
Mock drafts in January are useless  
jc in c-ville : 1/9/2014 7:57 pm : link
Arguing about who speculates who the Giants pick is even more useless.
mrvax  
BigBlueShock : 1/9/2014 8:02 pm : link
Putting a rookie QB in to play his first snaps of the season served absolutely no purpose. He would have gotten abused and the last thing you want to do is destroy a kids confidence. And besides that, with the mentality we've witnessed from Giants fans this season, could you imagine the backlash when Nassib didn't perform like a Pro Bowler in his first game?
We disagree  
mrvax : 1/9/2014 8:19 pm : link
To me, once they are eliminated from the playoffs, I'd want to do what would help the team going forward to 2014. I think giving Nassib some snaps could have built his confidence.

You let the kid know he's playing to get experience, not to be the savior. I don't think fans are stupid enough overall to think Nassib was going to perform on a higher level than their starting QB Eli would.

I'd also have given more snaps to any 1/2 way healthy rookies. However, guys like Robinson were already on the sidelines with injuries and Mosely eventually got injured too.
Yes we disagree  
BigBlueShock : 1/9/2014 8:36 pm : link
Our OLine was a complete disaster. They would have gotten Nassib killed. How the hell do you think he would have built up any confidence? His confidence would be destroyed playing behind that line. This wasn't your typical let the rookie play situation, because of the OLine. David Carr went through it and never recovered, as example A.
I'm with BBShock  
Bill in UT : 1/9/2014 8:42 pm : link
If anyone was going to get killed behind that OL it should have been Eli
RE: I'm with BBShock  
BigBlueShock : 1/9/2014 9:32 pm : link
In comment 11446501 Bill in UT said:
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If anyone was going to get killed behind that OL it should have been Eli

Yea because, you know, having a 10 year veteran that has played in the system his entire career is exactly the same as putting a rookie with exactly zero professional snaps behind that OLine. Brilliant logic.

I didn't like Eli behind that line either, but he had a much better chance at survival than Nassib did.
Nicks only ran a 4.63 at the combine  
BigBluDawg : 1/9/2014 9:52 pm : link
Speed isn't everything
Don't like taking a receiver that high  
chris r : 1/9/2014 9:53 pm : link
who has issues separating.
Evans needs to show in workouts that he can beat the jam...  
Dunedin81 : 1/9/2014 10:07 pm : link
he didn't do it well against LSU and NFL corners are going to be a lot more physical, but it's a skill that can be developed with technique and in the weight room. Also be interested to see how he runs, he uses the height and the ups for the mismatch but if he showcases better than expected speed and agility it could also give teams a little confidence in his ability to get off the line.
that  
blue42 : 1/9/2014 10:48 pm : link
isn't happening.
Big Blue...  
blue42 : 1/9/2014 10:51 pm : link
we have one tackle...a rookie who can really play..who is the second guy?
yes,  
blue42 : 1/9/2014 10:53 pm : link
with a bad OL let's draft a slow WR who takes longer to get down the field than anyone we have now.Evan's based on the times I've seen would be one of the slowest WR we have.
did  
blue42 : 1/9/2014 10:57 pm : link
anyone watch our OL play this year?
Nicks  
stretch234 : 1/9/2014 11:11 pm : link
Was also not the 12th pick in the draft and had better hands

The interior of the DL was a problem  
BigBluDawg : 1/9/2014 11:17 pm : link
And they fixed it without using a first round pick, even the second round pick Hankins played sparingly. That just shows we could fix the OL without being forced to use a first round pick on it.
The only WR I'd be happy with at 12 is Watkins.  
arcarsenal : 1/9/2014 11:18 pm : link
I like Lee too.

Evans at 12? No thanks.
Evans vs. Alabama 2013  
TC : 1/10/2014 12:15 am : link
Note poor route running and inability to separate from DB's while playing the scrubs from Alabama. Also watch how long it took for him to outrun all the Alabama DB's for a TD when thrown to by rag-arm Manziel.

Video of Evans vs. Alabama - ( New Window )
I watched a ton of texas A&M football  
Tuckrule : 1/10/2014 9:27 am : link
Evans is a poor mans vincent jackson. Hes slow and doesnt create seperate. He is a hand catcher which is what you look for. Hes big and strong and high points the football but the big knock is that he doesnt create seperation. He benefited a ton from manziels ability to extend plays which allowed him time to get open and find the holes in the defense. He seems to me to be a TE playing wideout. The combine will be big for him in determining his draft stock.

I would break my tv if we drafted him at 12
RE: Kf the Giants draft Mike Evans  
Tuckrule : 1/10/2014 9:29 am : link
In comment 11446400 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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in the first round, I will become a Colts fan. He is not quick enough to play effectively at the NFL level. He has a high bust quotient -- Mike Williams, USC re-incarnated.


totally agree. Just saw your post and its exactly how I view him
Eric......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 1/10/2014 10:21 am : link
I am fine with losing 2 spots by beating the Redskins. After an 0-6 start, avoiding double digit losses for some reason made this season a little less disappointing.

As far as who we take, it is all a crap shoot at 12. Take someone who pans out is all I care about.
I don't know how  
KWALL : 1/10/2014 10:54 am : link
you look at Evans in the Alabama game and knock him.

He's enormous and can go up for the ball and catch it. The one thing Eli needs is a WR or TE like Evans. #12 may be too high, and we sure have other needs, but there's a lot to like about Evans on the Giants.

The long TD? The ball was thrown over his outside shoulder. He did a great job of tracking the ball and making the catch. Doing this will slow down a player.

And who are these scrubs playing DB for Alabama? They usually line up the most athletic guys in the country.
KWALL, don't think those Alabama boys are scrubs, huh? ;-)  
TC : 1/10/2014 1:10 pm : link
Don't think a particularly slow player necessarily outruns some of the SEC's best DB's, while a rag-arm throws the ball 50 or 60 yards through the air?

Perhaps you think it may be telling that a WR puts up a highlight reel performance in a game against some of the best collegiate competition?
RE: Evans needs to show in workouts that he can beat the jam...  
BigBlueinChicago : 1/10/2014 1:17 pm : link
In comment 11446608 Dunedin81 said:
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he didn't do it well against LSU and NFL corners are going to be a lot more physical, but it's a skill that can be developed with technique and in the weight room. Also be interested to see how he runs, he uses the height and the ups for the mismatch but if he showcases better than expected speed and agility it could also give teams a little confidence in his ability to get off the line.


Also, take a look at the tape from Evans' game at Missouri late in the season. E.J Gaines shut him down completely.

Gaines is a guy who is a big, physical corner who will be drafted coming up and is going to be a very good player. A good case can be made he was the best CB in the SEC this past year. Evans could do nothing with him.
RE: Mike Evans is a possibility.  
kotar1 : 1/11/2014 12:48 pm : link
In comment 11446219 Blue Blood said:
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I do not expect the Giants to take a tackle in the first round.
I would prefer an Off. tackle but Evans is 6'5" and would fill our need for a tall wr..then we could let Nicks go without leaving ourselves short at wr.
We don't need a  
AnishPatel : 1/11/2014 1:05 pm : link
all WR for our X we can use a burner or explosive playmaker for X. Our offense lacks speed. We have zero speed on offense. I don't want another tall WR.
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