Boylhart has the Giants taking WR Mike Evans with their first pick, with OT Cyrus Kouandjio as their fall back.
Says Johnny Football goes #1 to the Texans.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised.
how much losing those two draft spots by beating the Skins will hurt.
I do not expect the Giants to take a tackle in the first round.
Some of these guys don't pay attention - surprised with Boylhart. How is Evans a top 12 player; never mind top 12 that the Giants would take.
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This. We can do better.
I don't think there's anyway to know until a couple years down the road.
I'd be happy with Evans. He looks to have solid skill for his position and will likely improve in the NFL. Comparisons to players like Barden, simply because they're both tall, are unwarranted.
"Mike needs to be paired up with an accurate strong armed quarterback to reach his full potential. I’m sorry…that’s just B.S. -- he just needs to get to the NFL as quickly as possible!"
Praises his route running and football intelligence.
He has size, but I do not see the quickness to his game that is the difference between a Joe Jurevicius/Reggie Williams versus Brandon Marshall/Vincent Jackson. If he cannot separate from DB's what good is he going to be in the NFL?
history shows that not many turn out to be top players. Look at Nicks year, he was about the 5th WR taken, and to date, it is between him and I guess Crabtree as to which have had the best years.
especially when the Giants are in position to get a stud OL like Robinson at that spot.
Mike is a franchise wide receiver. He has those strong hands you look for in a #1 wide receiver along with the body type, quickness, and speed to run all the routes and catch the ball. He likes the physical part of the game. On deep passes he will use his big body to shield the ball from the defender like a tight end and he will make the difficult catch while adjusting to the ball in the air. He can get deep because he has surprising quickness off the line, strength down the field and cannot be moved off his route. He has a very high football IQ and understands how to run routes to get open. Mike will move the chains on third down from outside as a wide receiver or being used as a slot receiver. He is a matchup nightmare for cornerbacks because of his size, strength, and quickness. In the slot he is too quick, fast, and has the needed strength equal to deal with the linebackers and safeties. He has excellent feet and great balance and will fight for the ball in the air. He has that nasty attitude that QB’s like to see in a receiver who they depend on to move the chains. Mike will catch the ball when everyone in the stadium knows the ball is going to him. He has good run after the catch skills and, because of his size, is very hard to bring down. I call him Mike (the Hump) Evans because during the most difficult times in a game, when others are struggling and making mistakes, Mike will get the whole team over the hump and back on the right track if you keep throwing him the ball.
going #2 to the Rams.
OT's, QB's and WR's DO go high.
Robinson and Dennard are off the board, you trade down.
this is starting to become a very deep draft. Trading down a few spots to pick-up an extra early pick is not a bad idea
a WR if Eli can't get the ball to him because he's flat on his back?
He's going to be quite the steal.
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Steve in South Jersey said:
Yes, $15/yr, it's worth it I think.
what is the URL of his website so that we can subscribe?
Should be a priority. Protecting Eli and reestablishing run game is a priority. Spend the money on Alex Mack for center and don't resign nicks
Move Pugh t right guard and take a chance to see if Beatty can play right tackle. If not then cut him in 2015 and deal with the cap casualty. But Beatty can't play left tackle and sooner or later if Reese doesn't address the left side of the line it will get Eli hurt
1. Greg Robinson OT
2. Cyril Richardson OG
3. Keith McGill. Cb
4. Stanley jean baptister cb
5. James wilder RB
6. Deanthony Thomas WR pr/kr
Obviously, I think it's worth the 15 bucks. Boylhart may be right, or he may be wrong, but he's always entertaining! THR & Boylhart
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unless a Munoz, Ogden or Walter Jones miraculously falls to them. Tey need an interior upgrade and can certainly live and do fine with the tackles they have..
in the first round, I will become a Colts fan. He is not quick enough to play effectively at the NFL level. He has a high bust quotient -- Mike Williams, USC re-incarnated.
What does he do that translates to the NFL to warrant the 12th pick - nothing.
He is not a good route runner
He is not good getting off press coverage
he is not fast
He is bigger, slower version of Plax. Vincent Jackson ran 4.46 at the combine - Evans does not look like he is close to that
You don't take a player at 12 with that much in question.
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| unless a Munoz, Ogden or Walter Jones miraculously falls to them. Tey need an interior upgrade and can certainly live and do fine with the tackles they have..
I would have agreed until Beatty broke his leg. Now not only is his 2013 play suspect but his physical health is suspect. There are no other guys on the team (except RT Pugh) who can play LT.
LT's are too expensive to land a good one in free agency. I believe the possibility
of the Giants liking a guy in the first is certainly there. If not, they still have to come out of this draft with a decent tackle prospect because they can't buy a veteran and can't count 100% on Beatty.
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Eric from BBI said:
| how much losing those two draft spots by beating the Skins will hurt.
Eric from BBI, if we lost the last 2 games we would have been good shape. If that mock played out like that I would be pissed if we got Evans.
the last 2 games and give the young quarterback they just drafted and gave up a pick to move up for him some playing time.
How else is Nassib going to get better or even properly evaluated? Imagine if he shined during those 2 games? Nassib's name may have been thrown around on draft day 2014.
Instead we have a #12 draft position, a totally unknown Nassib and an injury to Eli Manning! Great job!
Arguing about who speculates who the Giants pick is even more useless.
Putting a rookie QB in to play his first snaps of the season served absolutely no purpose. He would have gotten abused and the last thing you want to do is destroy a kids confidence. And besides that, with the mentality we've witnessed from Giants fans this season, could you imagine the backlash when Nassib didn't perform like a Pro Bowler in his first game?
To me, once they are eliminated from the playoffs, I'd want to do what would help the team going forward to 2014. I think giving Nassib some snaps could have built his confidence.
You let the kid know he's playing to get experience, not to be the savior. I don't think fans are stupid enough overall to think Nassib was going to perform on a higher level than their starting QB Eli would.
I'd also have given more snaps to any 1/2 way healthy rookies. However, guys like Robinson were already on the sidelines with injuries and Mosely eventually got injured too.
Our OLine was a complete disaster. They would have gotten Nassib killed. How the hell do you think he would have built up any confidence? His confidence would be destroyed playing behind that line. This wasn't your typical let the rookie play situation, because of the OLine. David Carr went through it and never recovered, as example A.
If anyone was going to get killed behind that OL it should have been Eli
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Bill in UT said:
| If anyone was going to get killed behind that OL it should have been Eli
Yea because, you know, having a 10 year veteran that has played in the system his entire career is exactly the same as putting a rookie with exactly zero professional snaps behind that OLine. Brilliant logic.
I didn't like Eli behind that line either, but he had a much better chance at survival than Nassib did.
who has issues separating.
he didn't do it well against LSU and NFL corners are going to be a lot more physical, but it's a skill that can be developed with technique and in the weight room. Also be interested to see how he runs, he uses the height and the ups for the mismatch but if he showcases better than expected speed and agility it could also give teams a little confidence in his ability to get off the line.
we have one tackle...a rookie who can really play..who is the second guy?
with a bad OL let's draft a slow WR who takes longer to get down the field than anyone we have now.Evan's based on the times I've seen would be one of the slowest WR we have.
anyone watch our OL play this year?
Was also not the 12th pick in the draft and had better hands
And they fixed it without using a first round pick, even the second round pick Hankins played sparingly. That just shows we could fix the OL without being forced to use a first round pick on it.
I like Lee too.
Evans at 12? No thanks.
Note poor route running and inability to separate from DB's while playing the scrubs from Alabama. Also watch how long it took for him to outrun all the Alabama DB's for a TD when thrown to by rag-arm Manziel. Video of Evans vs. Alabama
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Evans is a poor mans vincent jackson. Hes slow and doesnt create seperate. He is a hand catcher which is what you look for. Hes big and strong and high points the football but the big knock is that he doesnt create seperation. He benefited a ton from manziels ability to extend plays which allowed him time to get open and find the holes in the defense. He seems to me to be a TE playing wideout. The combine will be big for him in determining his draft stock.
I would break my tv if we drafted him at 12
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Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
| in the first round, I will become a Colts fan. He is not quick enough to play effectively at the NFL level. He has a high bust quotient -- Mike Williams, USC re-incarnated.
totally agree. Just saw your post and its exactly how I view him
I am fine with losing 2 spots by beating the Redskins. After an 0-6 start, avoiding double digit losses for some reason made this season a little less disappointing.
As far as who we take, it is all a crap shoot at 12. Take someone who pans out is all I care about.
you look at Evans in the Alabama game and knock him.
He's enormous and can go up for the ball and catch it. The one thing Eli needs is a WR or TE like Evans. #12 may be too high, and we sure have other needs, but there's a lot to like about Evans on the Giants.
The long TD? The ball was thrown over his outside shoulder. He did a great job of tracking the ball and making the catch. Doing this will slow down a player.
And who are these scrubs playing DB for Alabama? They usually line up the most athletic guys in the country.
Don't think a particularly slow player necessarily outruns some of the SEC's best DB's, while a rag-arm throws the ball 50 or 60 yards through the air?
Perhaps you think it may be telling that a WR puts up a highlight reel performance in a game against some of the best collegiate competition?
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| he didn't do it well against LSU and NFL corners are going to be a lot more physical, but it's a skill that can be developed with technique and in the weight room. Also be interested to see how he runs, he uses the height and the ups for the mismatch but if he showcases better than expected speed and agility it could also give teams a little confidence in his ability to get off the line.
Also, take a look at the tape from Evans' game at Missouri late in the season. E.J Gaines shut him down completely.
Gaines is a guy who is a big, physical corner who will be drafted coming up and is going to be a very good player. A good case can be made he was the best CB in the SEC this past year. Evans could do nothing with him.
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Blue Blood said:
| I do not expect the Giants to take a tackle in the first round.
I would prefer an Off. tackle but Evans is 6'5" and would fill our need for a tall wr..then we could let Nicks go without leaving ourselves short at wr.
all WR for our X we can use a burner or explosive playmaker for X. Our offense lacks speed. We have zero speed on offense. I don't want another tall WR.