Slow day. Figured id open up a little discussion. Based purely on your opinion, who do you think were the 5 best draft picks in NY Giant history.
For me:
1. L.T. - Revolutionized the LB position. Arguably the best LB of all-time. 2 time champ
2. Eli - Already has 2 Super Bowl rings and MVP's. Will most likely finish his career and the best offensive player in Giant history stats wise.
3. Gifford - 8x pro bowler. 6 time all-pro. NFL Champ. Changed positions mid career and was a prow bowler at both spots.
4. Carl Banks - 2 time champ. pro bowler and named to the 1980 all-decade team shows what kind of player he was playing second fiddle to the GOAT.
5. Simms - Held most records until Eli cam along. 2 time champ. SB MVP. Pro Bowler.
Honorable Mention: Hampton, Shockey, Nicks, JPP
2. Rosey Brown
3. Gifford
4. Strahan
5. Huff/Carson
2. Rosey Brown (27th round?)
3. Justin Tuck (3rd rounder)
4. Strahan (2nd rounder)
5. Tie: Gifford (1st); Rosey Grier (3rd); Fred Dryer (1st); Sam Huff (3rd); Troy Archer (1st and a terrible loss); Harry Carson (4th).
2. Rosey Brown (27th round?)
3. Justin Tuck (3rd rounder)
4. Strahan (2nd rounder)
5. Tie: Gifford (1st); Rosey Grier (3rd); Fred Dryer (1st); Sam Huff (3rd); Troy Archer (1st and a terrible loss); Harry Carson (4th).
No way in hell is Tuck ahead of Strahan (or half those other guys).
3.) Eli
4.) Strahan
5.) Carson
Lets go with the underdogs a bit that were picked in later rounds in their respective drafts...
Jesse Armstead - Rd 8
Dave Meggett - Rd 5
Harry Carson - Rd 4
George Martin - Rd 11
Ahmad Bradshaw - Rd 7
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1. LT.
2. Rosey Brown (27th round?)
3. Justin Tuck (3rd rounder)
4. Strahan (2nd rounder)
5. Tie: Gifford (1st); Rosey Grier (3rd); Fred Dryer (1st); Sam Huff (3rd); Troy Archer (1st and a terrible loss); Harry Carson (4th).
No way in hell is Tuck ahead of Strahan (or half those other guys).
You're right. After LT I was just listing them as I thought of them, but MS was our best DE of all time, better than Robustelli, which says a lot.
Technically, the Giants didn't draft Eli, either.
I was just staying with guys I got to watch play in the past few decades.
Epps, yup, looked it up, got him after 3 years with the Bears. But boy was he something for his time...a 6'2", over 200 pound CB who hit like an SOB and blanketed receivers. He played WRs like Sherman does now, physical as all hell.
Your personal comments on Rosie basically mirror what I just read on Wikipedia. Nice job, and try a very dry gin Martini for those aching bones (it may not help but couldn't hurt either!).
"Rosie Brown was drafted by the Giants out of Morgan State University in the 1953 NFL Draft. Brown was very quick on his feet which was very unusual for his era. He is considered one of the greatest "sleeper picks" in NFL history as he was drafted in 27th round of the NFL Draft."
1. LT
2. Rosie Brown
3. Strahan
4. Gifford
5. Carson
2. Gifford. Probably the most versatile player in NFL history, the NFL network's stupidity not withstanding.
3. Rosey Brown. HOFer, one of the greatest OLs of all time. Could do things no other OT could do, like pull of the line to lead running plays. Unusually lengthy career.
4. Harry Carson. "One hell of damn middle linebacker."
5. Joe Morris. Short but not small, was the best RB in the league for a couple of years. Super Bowl winner held many team rushing records when he retired.
Hard to argue with having guys like Michael Strahan, Jesse Armstead, Jim Patton, Dick Lynch, and Phil Simms on this list either.
Note that Eli was not a GIANT draft choice, nor was Emlen Tunnell, Andy Robustelli, Charlie Connerly, Y.A. Tittle, Alex Webster, Erich Barnes, Sean Landetta, Pat Summerall, O.J. Anderson, Jim Burt, or a lot of other really outstanding players for this franchise. Don't think Dave Jennings was drafted either.
Your personal comments on Rosie basically mirror what I just read on Wikipedia. Nice job, and try a very dry gin Martini for those aching bones (it may not help but couldn't hurt either!).
"Rosie Brown was drafted by the Giants out of Morgan State University in the 1953 NFL Draft. Brown was very quick on his feet which was very unusual for his era. He is considered one of the greatest "sleeper picks" in NFL history as he was drafted in 27th round of the NFL Draft."
No shame in it, Googs. Better than the alternative. I just turned 64.
Saw the early golden years as a kid, the terrible years in between, and the great years since.
And I think I'll go for a great margarita or bottle of wine rather than a martini, but you're right, it can't hurt!
Regards, Yat
Tiki
Roosevelt Brown
Frank Gifford
Harry Carson
honorable: Phil Simms, Joe Morris, Phillip Rivers
Look at David Diehl. I, along with many others, have criticized him over the past few years but is that his fault? I don't think so. I think it was management and coaching. You can't blame the guy for trying his best to go out and compete. He was drafted in the fifth round. He started from his rookie year and every game after that until the tail end of his career when he got bit by injuries. He has played every OL position except for center for us. He held up at LT when Reese came in and cut Luke Pettigout which was a very unpopular decision. He was part of two super bowls. He was a big part of the Giants golden era of offense. We criticize Gilbride for a lot of things but Giants fans have never seen a better offense than his. I think Diehl should deserve some consideration based on value and what he meant to this team. Is he going to be a HoF player? Of course not but that doesn't mean he wasn't a great draft pick.
Rockey Thompson
Eldridge Small
John Hicks
Larry Jacobson
At least in the past 20 years.
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gave up your old age :)
Your personal comments on Rosie basically mirror what I just read on Wikipedia. Nice job, and try a very dry gin Martini for those aching bones (it may not help but couldn't hurt either!).
"Rosie Brown was drafted by the Giants out of Morgan State University in the 1953 NFL Draft. Brown was very quick on his feet which was very unusual for his era. He is considered one of the greatest "sleeper picks" in NFL history as he was drafted in 27th round of the NFL Draft."
No shame in it, Googs. Better than the alternative. I just turned 64.
Saw the early golden years as a kid, the terrible years in between, and the great years since.
And I think I'll go for a great margarita or bottle of wine rather than a martini, but you're right, it can't hurt!
Regards, Yat
Margarita, wine, martini...all work for me too. Have a good weekend Yat!
and going for margarita sounds like a great idea. especially since it was 75 degrees today
2. Rosie Brown
3. Strahan
4. Gifford
5. Carson
Starting w/ a list of Hall of Famers would seem to be a phenomenal place to start looking @ the best players - except for a bunch of BBIers. Anyone who hasn't seen these players doesn't have to try too hard to figure why they were HOFers, starting w/ info about each HOFer @ http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/alphabetical.aspx. Whether or not they saw him play (I didn't see Gifford or Brown), why would anyone doubt that a HOF player like Brown, who was a 9-time Pro Bowler, 6-time First-Team All-Pro & NFL Lineman of the Year, or Gifford (8 PB/4 AP) were better players than Joe Morris (2 PB, 1 AP), Tiki (3 PB, 1 AP), Homer Jones (2 PB, 0 AP) or Carl Banks (1 PB, 1 AP)? Brown was a shitload closer in accolades to LT (10 PB, 8 AP) than any of those guys. It's obviously impossible to compare stats among different positions, so the awards are the next best thing.
Jimmy Patton (1955 #92)
Sam Huff (1956 #30)
Jim Katcavage (1956 #45)
Homer Jones (1963 #278)
Carl "Spider" Lockhart (1965 #169)
John Mendenhall (1972 #75)
Brad Van Pelt (1972 #40)
George Martin (1975 #262)
Harry Carson (1976 #105)
Lawrence Taylor (1981 #2, and worth any price)
Billy Ard (1981 #221)
Mark Bavaro (1985 #100)
Michael Strahan (1993 #40)
Jessie Armstead (1993 #207)
Tiki Barber (1997 #36)
Justin Tuck (2005 #74)
Ahmad Bradshaw (2007 #250)
John Mendenhall
Troy Archer
Phil Simms
They have lousy teams hope
BVP, Mark Collins & Pepper Johnson are personal favorites although none are top 5. Including Rosie & Phil in the top 5 leaves the 3 HOF defensive players. LT , Harry & Strahan are musts.
Shockey, Bavaro & Sehorn had careers that when they were at peak they were among the all-time great Giants.
Eli
Rosey Brown
Simms
Carson