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RV: Fox was heir apparent to Fassel (quotes by Accorsi/Mara)

FranknWeezer : 1/30/2014 10:54 am
FYI.
John Fox- what could've been - ( New Window )
Never was a big Fox guy as head coach.  
Exit 172 : 1/30/2014 10:57 am : link
It worked out better getting Coughlin.
Howard Cross  
Spyder : 1/30/2014 10:58 am : link
said on TWIF the entire team pretty much expected Fox to replace Fassel before 41-0 happened.
i could coach a Peyton Manning team.  
Big Blue '56 : 1/30/2014 11:06 am : link
Jim Caldwell's a perfect example as was Barry Switzer..

He did a nice job with the 2003 Panthers' SB team, but so-so beyond that imo
Referring of course to Switzer  
Big Blue '56 : 1/30/2014 11:07 am : link
being handed the SB Cowboys team
I was never sold on Fox as the  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/30/2014 11:08 am : link
Giant's DC and he was meh as the Panther's HC except for one year
Fox is a good coach,  
an_idol_mind : 1/30/2014 11:16 am : link
but I don't really care much about the idea of what could've been with him. His record up until he got Peyton was pretty similar to Fassel's with the exception of the fact that he got another coaching job while Fassel didn't.

I guess maybe Fox would have had a clearer direction personnel-wise than Fassel did, but put him on a team with Kerry Collins at quarterback and I think he produces similar results to Fassel.

In the end, it doesn't matter, because Coughlin came in and has done the job superbly.
I always liked Fox  
phil in arizona : 1/30/2014 11:22 am : link
I'll be rooting for him this week.
before joining the Giants as DC...  
Mike in St. Louis : 1/30/2014 11:41 am : link
and after getting fired by Oakland, Fox was a "personnel consultant" for the Rams in 1996...

it is probably more of a commentary on the nature of the job than on Fox himself but they were discussing this on local sports radio the other night and nobody could remember Fox at all, or even meeting him, including a couple of guys who played for the Rams that year...
Fox has always been a good coach.  
Curtis in VA : 1/30/2014 11:44 am : link
He got short-handed with the Panthers and their stingy owner who doesn't like to spend money. The talent on that roster has never been close to what the Giants have had.

He would have done well here. Nothing against Coughlin because we've got two Super Bowl trophies and there's no way to know what would have happened with Fox but we would have fielded a competitive team with him at the helm as well.

And I'm really happy that he's finally coaching a team with a front office that knows what the hell its doing.
It's a shame we couldn't have hired Fox instead of Coughlin  
Mike from Ohio : 1/30/2014 12:10 pm : link
maybe if we had we could have finally made it to a SuperBowl this year. That Coughlin guy will never win anything.
It worked out much better for the Giants  
ZogZerg : 1/30/2014 12:12 pm : link
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I Remember Reading  
Bernie : 1/30/2014 12:37 pm : link
that there was huge debate within the organization about whether to extend Fassel or let him walk and elevate Fox. Accorsi alludes to it, but almost as if it were Fassels option. I seem to remember the team thinking about canning him but felt the PR would be awful a year after the Super Bowl.
I've been impressed with Fox and his staff in Denver  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/30/2014 12:41 pm : link
Here's part of the reason why. He's shown himself to be quite adaptable to circumstance. When he had Tebow, he crafted a team formula to win with what they had. To have success with a guy as horrible as Tebow was is a credit. Then when Manning comes in, they shift gears and allow Manning to sprinkle in a lot of the things he liked from his Colts background.

He's shown himself to be a flexible and adaptable coach.
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JBGiants : 1/30/2014 12:45 pm : link
BB56, you have to be kidding me. Fox did a hell of a job in Carolina and the inconsistency had more to do with Delhomme than anything. You realize Fox hasn't had Peyton his whole time in Denver, right? Remember that time Fox coached Tebow to a playoff win over Pittsburgh? He deserves a fucking medal for that.
RE: I've been impressed with Fox and his staff in Denver  
T-Bone : 1/30/2014 12:48 pm : link
In comment 11483980 Sneakers O'toole said:
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Here's part of the reason why. He's shown himself to be quite adaptable to circumstance. When he had Tebow, he crafted a team formula to win with what they had. To have success with a guy as horrible as Tebow was is a credit. Then when Manning comes in, they shift gears and allow Manning to sprinkle in a lot of the things he liked from his Colts background.

He's shown himself to be a flexible and adaptable coach.


This was pretty much what I was going to say myself. I think Fox is well above a pretty good coach personally. IMO, he's shown that whenever he's had the talent, he can coach a team to success. This is in no way a knock on Coughlin of course, but I could see Fox having similar results had he become coach. He's led two different teams to the Super Bowl...and one of them with Jake Delhomme as his starting QB and almost won the damn thing.
RE: It's a shame we couldn't have hired Fox instead of Coughlin  
Sonic Youth : 1/30/2014 12:49 pm : link
In comment 11483877 Mike from Ohio said:
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maybe if we had we could have finally made it to a SuperBowl this year. That Coughlin guy will never win anything.

+1, although I think the OP's comment was tongue in cheek (I hope).
I think Fox is a very good headcoach and wanted him even after 2000  
Some Fan : 1/30/2014 12:53 pm : link
When he was the DC under Fassel, he was much easier to understand than dopey Jim. Coaching two different teams into the SB is not done often.
We also had Sean Peyton back then ...  
Beer Man : 1/30/2014 2:18 pm : link
but somehow the team managed to keep Fassel and let Peyton and Fox go.
I wasn't aware of BBI back in '03  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/30/2014 2:23 pm : link
I bet this place was a blast
Beer Man  
nomad1986 : 1/30/2014 2:27 pm : link
The Giants once let Landry & Lombardi go and kept Allie Sherman.

Bill Parcells & Eli Manning have erased a lot of sins.
How exactly was John Fox's Carolina career more impressive  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 1/30/2014 2:27 pm : link
than Fassel's Giants career? They both made 1 Super Bowl, had the same amount of 10+ win seasons (despite Fassel coaching 2 less seasons), and Fassel ended up with a higher winning percentage.

Anyone could coach Peyton Manning and look good.
As I pointed out earlier  
Sneakers O'toole : 1/30/2014 2:30 pm : link
he looked pretty good with Tebow too. And Tebow was one of the most terrible quarterbacks you'll ever see.
He took  
English Alaister : 1/30/2014 2:31 pm : link
Delhomme to a Superbowl...nuff said
they only let Lombardi go with the express condition  
mort christenson : 1/30/2014 2:44 pm : link
that he would be released to return to the Giants as HC when Howell left. But a year later when it came due, the Packers reneged. Changed history. They didn't choose Sherman over Lombardi. They wanted Lombardi but the Packers reneged on an agreement.
I was a huge Fox supporter.  
old timer : 1/30/2014 2:52 pm : link
Didn't like Fassel and thought he should go and Fox should have gotten the job especially after going third in the division after the SB run.

He went to Carolina and onto the SB.
Mort, that's interesting.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/30/2014 3:03 pm : link
I never knew that. How about letting Belichick go for you know who. Ouch!
RE: they only let Lombardi go with the express condition  
BrettNYG10 : 1/30/2014 3:13 pm : link
In comment 11484301 mort christenson said:
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that he would be released to return to the Giants as HC when Howell left. But a year later when it came due, the Packers reneged. Changed history. They didn't choose Sherman over Lombardi. They wanted Lombardi but the Packers reneged on an agreement.


That's interesting - where did you read this? Not doubting you, I'd just like to read more.
Jim Fassel won a division title with Danny Kannell.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 1/30/2014 4:14 pm : link
Is that any less impressive than winning with Tebow?
They didn't let belichick go. . .  
dancing blue bear : 1/30/2014 6:25 pm : link
part of the reason that was such a painful time. BB took the job with cleaveland and parcels was still the coach. Parcells quit in like may. mid may. we had no options. If BP left after the season, BB would have stayed and become HC. no doubt. talk about 2 roads diverging in a yellow wood. I always loved parcells, but he fucked us good that time.
Notice how Fox got another head coaching job  
Some Fan : 1/30/2014 7:35 pm : link
but Fassel did not. It is because Fox is a better coach than Fassel AND THE ENTIRE NFL KNOWS IT. Fassel road the coattails of two very good coordinators.
Belichick would have stayed and become HC?  
JohnF : 1/30/2014 8:03 pm : link
I doubt it. Everything I've read indicated George Young was not a fan of BB. No one was becoming Head Coach without Young's approval, either.
Jim Fassel not getting another job has NOTHING to do with his on the  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 1/31/2014 1:05 pm : link
field performance as a head coach. We all know that. You can ignore it all you want, but there's a negligible difference between Fassel's and Fox's first stints as head coaches. Fox won more playoff games, while Fassel had the better regular season winning percentage. They each made a Super Bowl.

The idea that he rode the coattails of his coordinators is absolute stupidity. It can't be someone else who gets the credit when the team wins, but the head coach getting the blame when they lose.
Personally - I thought Foxxy was the best coach on the Giants  
gidiefor : 1/31/2014 2:11 pm : link
when Fassell was Head Coach - I would have loved for him to become head coach
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