First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boy scouts.
Citi Field and the new Yankee Stadium are great,,,I especially like Citi....you are very close no matter where you sit. They did a great job on that stadium.
First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boy scouts.
Take it easy, will ya? You look like the poster boy for birth control.
It suffers in comparison, not with other new stadiums, but with our old stadium that, at the time of its demise, was going on 30 years old.
It is harder to get in and out of, the seats in the upper deck are both higher and farther from the field, and there are no improvements that I've seen to parking or the roads. The "louver" design ensures that you're just as cold walking around "inside" the stadium than you are at your seat.
Whoop de doo, I can get a taylor ham sandwich that I couldn't get before. Let me tell you how much that means after I've been tailgating all afternoon. I am very close to selling my seat license. Another outcome of the new stadium appears to be that there are more tickets on the resale market, which has the additional awesome effect of making the seat license I paid harder to get rid of.
Citi Field is the one thing the Mets actually didn't fuck up terribly. The team has sucked since they built it but the stadium is great. Well designed, really nice looking inside and out.. I really like going there.
The one major problem was that you never would have known the Mets played there initially because there was no blue or orange ANYWHERE. They've since fixed that and it looks much better.
I actually have not been to MetLife yet. I went to the old Giants Stadium a bunch of times but MetLife just seems totally unappealing to me. I think it looks fine on TV which is basically all I care about at this point. I'm seeing less and less of a point to actually go to NFL games now.
It suffers in comparison, not with other new stadiums, but with our old stadium that, at the time of its demise, was going on 30 years old.
It is harder to get in and out of, the seats in the upper deck are both higher and farther from the field, and there are no improvements that I've seen to parking or the roads. The "louver" design ensures that you're just as cold walking around "inside" the stadium than you are at your seat.
I agree. There were no bad views anywhere in the old Giants Stadium, whereas the upper deck seats at Met Life are higher and farther from the field and, in my view, do not have good views.
Plus the other things you mention. It still escapes me why they thought the old GS had to be replaced.
I have to disagree with you. I think the seats, at least in the upper tier, are not any easier to get to and the view is not as good as the previous stadium. I say this with no sense of nostalgia for the old stadium.
YS2, as you refer to it, was hardly a generic 70s stadium. Those were all cookie cutter ballparks with almost the exact same design and dimensions. YS2, while not still the charmer the original was, was still one of the most original designs from the incongruous OF dimensions, to the shape of the stadium, to the tiers, to the facade, to bullpen configuration, to Monument Park, to the clubhouse.
Jim Dolan and Shelly Silver killed the west side stadium site
But to build a stadium like Jerry Jones did for the Cowboys would have cost 50-70% more in NYC area. Labor and Material costs are so much higher here. Throw in some Graft and corruption as well.
I actually find that parking, getting in and out is much better if you park out by the area and the "deck". I know the guy who was the traffic engineer for the new stadium (he was in a helicopter before and after games over looking the traffic) and we would discuss how it was. There was a clear improvement as time went on and changes were made in flow.
mind you when xanadu opens I am sure that there will be hoards knocking on those doors as well. :)
The field at YS2 wasn't generic, but it wasn't particularly idiosyncratic either, especially not by 2008. They repeatedly changed the outfield dimensions over three decades to make the outfield closer to league averages. The main quirks were the deep foul territory behind home plate and the narrow foul territory down the lines.
In its overall look (as far as layout, roofline, etc) the stadium was pretty bland. I didn't dislike it, but I never felt that the stadium itself was anything special. What made attending games there special was the winning and the history, and most of that history didn't really belong to that building anyway.
Like I said, I can't comment on YS3 because I've never been there.
reason it doesn't get more play is because the mets suck. The problem with Metlife is that they didn't really improve anything. It is cookie cutter with horrible egress plans. The worst part is that for 1.6 billion dollars they couldn't even enclose the concourses and add some finish... they are concrete with all enclosed wiring and conduits. Plus 50 % of the concessions are still cart based!! Granted when I did attend a game and sit in the club, whole different story it was great. But who can afford it routinely?
They played around with the dimensions, but not to league averages. It still remained one of the deeper ballparks in the alleys, retaining Death Valley. And LF to CF was still the incongruous design that was unique to Yankee Stadium. I thought that ballpark was very special inside and out, and it wasn't just the winning, because for most of my childhood they were a 2-4th place team.
You have to remember, the stadium design most of the clubs used in the 70s was the same circular park inside and out with very symetrical OF fences. That was not Yankee Stadium at all.
is the upper deck seems much further from the field. ttb and I sat way up there and it felt like we were outside the stadium, perched on some nearby overlook. You really have no sense of the game that far away.
Is that you cannot walk in a circle in the hall around the stadium without having to go up and down an escalator. Agree with many of the comments. The TV screens are nice.
Those who say that we don't have enough bathrooms should should remeber that the Jets wanted fewer bathrooms. Jets fans don't need them. Appparently they just pee where they're standing.
I heard the original design for new giants staidum
MetLife is awful if you're in the upper level. Absolutely awful. You're a mile away, it takes forever to get up that ridiculous escalator design and there aren't enough bathrooms. Even the top 10 rows of the lower level feel like they're a mile away.
Add in the fact the stadium is just very generic looking with relatively no charm, IMO they did a really shitty job.
Citifield is the gold standard of the new stadiums in the area. The place is perfect on pretty much every level.
The new Yankee Stadium I do like for the most part although as many of you have pointed out it lacks the feel of the old. Also Its unacceptable to have the obstructed views in the outfield.
But to build a stadium like Jerry Jones did for the Cowboys would have cost 50-70% more in NYC area. Labor and Material costs are so much higher here. Throw in some Graft and corruption as well.
Why would material costs be higher? Jerry was combating the Concrete shortage caused by China when building AT&T stadium...
Labor costs sure... NJ is the home of the Mafia and CHris Christie so I buy that...
All you need to know is in Dallas they built a stadium that can hold over 100,000, with a roof, a scoreboard that is stupid big 1 year earlier than Metlife Stadium and it cost 100M less.
Does Steel and Glass cost more here than in Dallas, or Pittsburgh or SF where they have some beautiful facilities? No. It is the cost of labor.
I haven't been to Yankee Stadium but even Yankee fans said it is underwhelming, yet it cost over a billion to build.
Citi Field only holds around 42000 fans and it cost 800 million although I too think it is a nice facility.
A "transformed" MSG cost over 1 billion. These are ridiculous costs.
And it amazes me that in many of these facilities there are obstructed view seats. I truly wish the Giants and Jets went in their own direction. The Giants could have build a 1 billion stadium and had it in their colors, with a museum. Instead they settled to build a larger stadium with the Jets. My understanding the Jets wanted a 90000 seat stadium and the Giants wanted in the mid 70's and the compromised. They compromised on design, and color. It is a drab stadium Looks like a air conditioner was dropped in a swamp.
Were a major factor in its cost. The stadium broke ground in September 2007. Over the next year, commodity prices (including steel) exploded, more than doubling over the next year. This was right when all the major construction was occurring, and thus when most the materials were being purchased. Commodity prices then cratered after the housing bubble burst.
Just incredibly unfortunate timing. Had construction started a year earlier or a year later, hundreds of millions of dollars would have been saved.
Do they ever plan to open it?
I hope not on game day if they do.
I always imagined they would string blue and green LEDs around the stadium and similar lighting tricks and change the colors based on who was home to look like their stadium.
Wonder if they will make any improvements for the Super Bowl.
First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boy scouts.
"Yeah? Well you're short and ugly - gimme back the pen!"
First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the boy scouts.
Take it easy, will ya? You look like the poster boy for birth control.
It is harder to get in and out of, the seats in the upper deck are both higher and farther from the field, and there are no improvements that I've seen to parking or the roads. The "louver" design ensures that you're just as cold walking around "inside" the stadium than you are at your seat.
Whoop de doo, I can get a taylor ham sandwich that I couldn't get before. Let me tell you how much that means after I've been tailgating all afternoon. I am very close to selling my seat license. Another outcome of the new stadium appears to be that there are more tickets on the resale market, which has the additional awesome effect of making the seat license I paid harder to get rid of.
The one major problem was that you never would have known the Mets played there initially because there was no blue or orange ANYWHERE. They've since fixed that and it looks much better.
I actually have not been to MetLife yet. I went to the old Giants Stadium a bunch of times but MetLife just seems totally unappealing to me. I think it looks fine on TV which is basically all I care about at this point. I'm seeing less and less of a point to actually go to NFL games now.
Agreed, I have very little motivation to spend a bunch of money for alot of aggravation when I can be comfortbale doing as I please in my home.
It is harder to get in and out of, the seats in the upper deck are both higher and farther from the field, and there are no improvements that I've seen to parking or the roads. The "louver" design ensures that you're just as cold walking around "inside" the stadium than you are at your seat.
I agree. There were no bad views anywhere in the old Giants Stadium, whereas the upper deck seats at Met Life are higher and farther from the field and, in my view, do not have good views.
Plus the other things you mention. It still escapes me why they thought the old GS had to be replaced.
mind you when xanadu opens I am sure that there will be hoards knocking on those doors as well. :)
In its overall look (as far as layout, roofline, etc) the stadium was pretty bland. I didn't dislike it, but I never felt that the stadium itself was anything special. What made attending games there special was the winning and the history, and most of that history didn't really belong to that building anyway.
Like I said, I can't comment on YS3 because I've never been there.
You have to remember, the stadium design most of the clubs used in the 70s was the same circular park inside and out with very symetrical OF fences. That was not Yankee Stadium at all.
Those who say that we don't have enough bathrooms should should remeber that the Jets wanted fewer bathrooms. Jets fans don't need them. Appparently they just pee where they're standing.
Colors within the corridor are the same grey as the seats.
Add in the fact the stadium is just very generic looking with relatively no charm, IMO they did a really shitty job.
Citifield is the gold standard of the new stadiums in the area. The place is perfect on pretty much every level.
What idiot thought this was a good idea?
Why would material costs be higher? Jerry was combating the Concrete shortage caused by China when building AT&T stadium...
Labor costs sure... NJ is the home of the Mafia and CHris Christie so I buy that...
Jerry isnt THAT great a negotiator... nor is Irsay... between two NFL franchises they should of put a goddamn retractable roof on the thing...
Does Steel and Glass cost more here than in Dallas, or Pittsburgh or SF where they have some beautiful facilities? No. It is the cost of labor.
I haven't been to Yankee Stadium but even Yankee fans said it is underwhelming, yet it cost over a billion to build.
Citi Field only holds around 42000 fans and it cost 800 million although I too think it is a nice facility.
A "transformed" MSG cost over 1 billion. These are ridiculous costs.
And it amazes me that in many of these facilities there are obstructed view seats. I truly wish the Giants and Jets went in their own direction. The Giants could have build a 1 billion stadium and had it in their colors, with a museum. Instead they settled to build a larger stadium with the Jets. My understanding the Jets wanted a 90000 seat stadium and the Giants wanted in the mid 70's and the compromised. They compromised on design, and color. It is a drab stadium Looks like a air conditioner was dropped in a swamp.
Exactly.
Just incredibly unfortunate timing. Had construction started a year earlier or a year later, hundreds of millions of dollars would have been saved.
I hope not on game day if they do.
I always imagined they would string blue and green LEDs around the stadium and similar lighting tricks and change the colors based on who was home to look like their stadium.
Wonder if they will make any improvements for the Super Bowl.