I think if he gets to the Conf Championship he has an advantage over anybody in the league right now. And I see TC staying at least 2 and maybe 3 more years to ride Eli to a 3rd SB.
So I guess the real question is can the Giants reload quick enough. My answer is an overwhelming yes. The key, aside from THIS offseason, in my mind is JPP returning to form, resigning Joseph and Beason and Will Hill getting straightened out. Despite what many have said, I see us as having good players depending on which vets are coming back. Rolle, Hill, Pugh, Cruz, Randle, JPP and , yes, Paysinger are all players I am expecting to be leaderrs on this team going forward. There is young talent already on this team and a very smart and good offseason or two is all I see us needing
I think Eli has the ability to win another SB but he also has to have the pieces around him. I am not sure that this offense will do all that much next year. The defense should still be fairly solid though if JPP bounces back and Tuck is re-signed and plays well too.
I think Eli, TC and the Mara family will work hard to get the team to another SB. We just need to catch some breaks with health.
The more accurate question IMO is how likely is Eli to win another SB. I say he's got about a 15% chance to get another one.
Can we do that again? I don't see why not. But it's frankly hard to see us having a season with Eli like Seattle just had - where they were in the Super Bowl conversation for most of the year. But honestly, that doesn't happen very often anymore anyway.
I believes!
Go Giants!!!
Can we do that again? I don't see why not. But it's frankly hard to see us having a season with Eli like Seattle just had - where they were in the Super Bowl conversation for most of the year. But honestly, that doesn't happen very often anymore anyway.
We've got the rest of the league right where we want them. We couldn't be farther off the radar than what we are now :-)
and they've won, not just made it to the dance.
If Denver couldn't put a dent in them, I don't see Eli (who is not close to caliber of QB his brother is) winning another SB...but then again he doesn't have to at this point.
I don't think the Giants will be able to assemble all the pieces necessary to make a run. With a huge cap number attached to Eli I don't feel that the front office has the financial resources available to build a great team. One reason that SF and Seattle are so good is they have more flexibility with less cap space attached to one position.
Brady won three in his 3 in his first 5 seasons, and none in the next 8.
Why would any assume it's likely or even probably for Eli to win another.
I say no, but obviously I hope he does.
Eli always seems like a team player, but I hate speculating how other people will react with their money.
and in fact it turned out the Pats kind of screwed Brady who (at least in the media) they though was doing this so the Pats could afford Welker. they cheaped out on Welker and lost him.
If your paying your QB $15-20M per year....your other roster decisions need to work out really well. And for the Giants...they really have not. I am also coming at this from the angle that 2011 was a fluke. The 2007/2008 team was really good, while the 2011 team got hot at the right time. That is usually not going to happen.
I think those odds are long.
any sane person placing an even money bet (reap one dollar for every dollar laid down) would bet that no, Eli will not win another SB.
Never tell me the odds.
I have no idea if he will but I think the window can stay open for a few more years. This is a big offseason for the Giants FO.
Will the team win another with Eli?
I still don't think so. They have way too far to go. It is not a dis on Eli. This should not be about Eli at all.
With the recognition that it is very hard to win a championship, I think Eli has as good of a chance as any other top quarterback in the league. Provided that Coughlin has made the right choice at OC and the line gets rebuilt, he is more than capable of guiding the team back to the postseason. Once there, who knows what might happen?
But I dispute your point in the OP that the Giants have so much veteran and young talent on the team. I would say the Defense has talent but many come with serious question-marks like Joseph, Beason, JPP and Hill, and we need the pass rush to return big-time.
The Offense is so devoid of talent it is scary. This unit needs a serious infusion of talent from Free Agency and the Draft.
But, yeah, other than those issues, Eli should be good to go on his 3rd World Championship.
Its a nice stat that doesn't have enough sample size...
But to do that you have to have a front office making the right decisions, and a lot of luck....this front office has not been making the right decisions, and I don't trust them to do an about face.....as for luck, we used that up in two SB runs.....when you make a deal with "You-Know-Who", like Reese did, you will pay for years....as far as luck goes, Seattle was one tipped pass from not even being in the SB....
Peyton found out, just like Eli this year, if you don't have an offensive line that can take the pressure away from you, you become mortal....but it just wasn't OL pressure, it was the pressure those DB's put on the receivers.....they chucked them at the LOS....they didn't let them run free....and because everyone was close to the receivers, when they caught the ball they were hit immediately, and there were no YAC's.....I don't think the Bronco's tried one pick pattern, because the guy doing the pickin', probably would have had to be picked up....those dink and dunk passes that worked against the Pats, had no effect on the Seahawks....and without them, it didn't help the intermediate to long passing game...
Pressure Brady, he's mortal....pressure Peyton, the same.....Eli was pressured all season....
As for Eli, Eli does not win SB's.....teams do.....Eli just gets the credit more.....I see, at best, a 2 year rebuild.....what kind of qb with Eli be in 3 years? No one knows.....it's just a lot of wishful thinking right now....
Seattle,SF,Eagles,Panthers,GB
teams like Arizona,Rams, Bears,Saints will also be in the mix. Falcons will probably bounce back as well. The NFC is really tough to come out of right now. Giants have a lot of work to do.
1. Giants need a large infusion of players on the team that will outperform their current contracts
2. Hit on an inordinate amount of draft picks.
3. Eliminate most, if not all "dead weight" taking up the cap while performance doesn't meet their paycheck.
If the QB is going to make $20 million, than that is the only way it can happen.
Seattle,SF,Eagles,Panthers,GB
teams like Arizona,Rams, Bears,Saints will also be in the mix. Falcons will probably bounce back as well. The NFC is really tough to come out of right now. Giants have a lot of work to do.
Given the right moves and success with a new offense, it's very possible to get back to teh playoffs and beyond. Keep in midn that injuries and scheduling also have a huge impact on teams. Never know what can happen with a team from year to year. What happened to Atlanta this year?
Every team in the NFL has holes. Even Seattle has weak spots. The Giants won in 2007 with a flawed but dangerous roster and they win in 2011 with an even more flawed but explosive roster.
The Giants need to replace some dead weight with some solid talent. They don't need to be perfect they just need to shore up the weak spots with capable bodies. They have some flexibility to get things done.
Then it comes down to health and luck and timing. If Eli and this team (Coughlin) can find their way to late December with a winning record, legit shot at the Div Title and good health, I wouldn't want to bet against them. I trust this team in a big spot. Just get there.
Think back to 2009. The Giants were faced with the prospects of having absolutely no defense at all. Their WRs were young an inexperienced and Smith, the only reliable VET on the team was about to rip his knee in apart the following year.
You're team is never as good or bad as you think. We weren't the best team in NFL history when November 2008 rolled around and we aren't some team lost in the wilderness today. We have the head coach and QB in place. ONe of the most talented DEs in football entering his money making prove it years along with very good DTs and a good secondary with ascending talent. Solid LB talent...just need to shore up the OL and RBs. Everything else is in place.
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See what happens when you dont drink enough soda....
I would love to win another, don't misunderstand me, but you say it like it's nothing. Just look at the NFC right now, it is a monster.
The Giants need to replace some dead weight with some solid talent. They don't need to be perfect they just need to shore up the weak spots with capable bodies. They have some flexibility to get things done.
Almost every piece of our Offense is a "weak spot".
Wilson is definitely an X factor for us. If they can get the offensive line cleaned up and Wilson's neck is fully healthy, he can be a huge weapon. I think some people have forgotten how hard he runs and how fast he is. Walter Payton couldn't have run behind our o-line those first 5 weeks of the season.
As for why the Giants just making it to the tournament gives them an advantage over other teams, with the exception of Brady 10 years or so ago, I have not seen one QB currently playing elevate his game is pressure situations like Eli has. Couple that with his ability to shake off failure and I think he's still got some magic in him.
BTW, I think some of you have forgotten the purpose of this board. I love people calling the original post stupid or whatever. Its a discussion board. I asked a question, gave my opinion and read responses. The vast majority of posters saw the thread this way too. I never really understood why people enter threads only to sound off about why a topic is stated or discussed. There's the Back To The Corner button if you don't like what ur reading.
If you're asking me do I think Eli has as good a chance as any QB to win another title, then my answer changes... but do I think he wins one? Do I think it's likely? No. That's just foolish.
Randy in CT : 11:08 am : link : reply
I came up with a 42.302% chance we win 2 more with Eli.
What were your math grades in statistics and probabilities?
Eli and the Giants have about as good a chance to win another during Eli's reign as any other NFL team with a very good QB.
I do think Eli bounces back from this awful 2013 season and puts together a really nice string of seasons together.
So if you are saying that the OBVIOUS answer is yes or no, then I guess you're correct. Perhaps you should go look for a thread outlining the Islanders playoff chances. That discussion is probably more obvious.
We all know what the real answer is: Eli is absolutely capable. And lordy, do I wanna see him get one more ring. In the worst way, especially after this season. But we've had so many problems with health and draft busts. It's all up to the head office.
The potential is still there! I don't think it's impossible, but the window is closing, and the time is getting shorter. We basically have to have *perfect* offseasons for the next couple years.
The first steps towards this offseason were bad ones: winning our last two games. I don't know how to justify it, exactly. Yes, we play to win. Did those wins serve the team at all? Maybe a little bit in the 'team spirit' dept. but maybe that's about it, and if that at all. We pushed ourselves backward in the draft....for what, exactly? It would've been more *strategically* sound to put our starters out there for a quarter in each game, and then let the 2s and 3s play, in my opinion. I know that's not the TC way, and I know it's not the macho way, but it certainly would've benefited the team in the draft.
Anyway, I think it can be done. But all of Reese's moves have to be genius level. No more of this Ryan Nassib in the 4th kinda crap.
On it's own, it's a fun question. When you start telling people they have to answer with a yes or no, it becomes stupid.
the Giants have solid wides and a very good QB but this Oline would have to make a major leap to even have a shot at beating a team like Seattle. We are going to need another back and a TE too. We are a couple of years away realistically.
Fortunately we have a coach and OC who still wants the same element to the offense
Randy in CT : 11:08 am : link : reply
I came up with a 42.302% chance we win 2 more with Eli.
What were your math grades in statistics and probabilities?
But we keep seeing that teams win Super Bowls when they can do two things: get to the quarterback, and prevent the other team from getting to the quarterback.
Lately, the Giants have been dogshit at doing these two things, and there isn't much hope going forward with regard to the offensive line.
It's giong to take a lot of work for the Giants to re-tool and improve these two areas. Can it be done in the short-term? Unlikely, but possible.
Seriously, yes. I believe the next 2 offseasons JR redeems himself as GM and we build an NFL team that is good, and young, and fast. We get to The Show and theres 2 SB championship parades the Tuesday after the SB, 1 in NYC, one in ERutherford.
I'm just not sure Eli wins MVP this time.
2) A Defense playing lights out
I think if this is the new criteria, then sure why not. I do not think there has been a sea change to a running QB. In fact before Wilson, the Qbs who won were :
Flacco
Eli
Rogers
Brees
Big Ben
And yes Eli has at least one more in him IF the Giants are able to do somethings they haven't been able to do lately. Develop talent well and play good football.
There are 32 teams in this league, thus making the odds remote to begin with.
Giants have Coughlin, who I think remains the best coach in the NFL. They have Eli, as always, a somewhat flawed athlete, who nonetheless rises to the the challenge in the biggest of moments of the most important of games. The magic is still in him. It's waiting. They have to help him is all.
The defense is a retention of Beason, the return of a healthy, more mature JPP, and the addition of a corner, who becomes the route in coverage, of being a top 5 unit. They are that close.
The overwhelming majority said that if given the option they would pass and take their chances at 2 or more. But that was in the post SB euphoria when everyone had visions of dynasty floating in their head
Anything is possible. The odds are way against it, but at the same time by the odds its pretty unfathomable he has the two he does. Truly unbelievable, and i don't mean that as a knock against him, but lets be real
I find most of the following to be coincidence, but historically QBs just don't win SBs after the age of 34. We're talking about only a handful of players who have. (FYI Eli will be 34 at the time of next seasons SB kickoff). Its kind of astonishing to me considering the high level so many guys have played on after that age, but its still very rare. In fact, in 2011 at 31 years and 1 month old, Eli was the oldest QB to win a SB in the last decade
Peyton hasn't lost but maybe a bit of zip on the ball and he is a smart SOB. (Sans Superbowl of course.)
Just sticking to defense we will be missing the following players who made contributions: Osi, Canty, Boley, Blackburn, and Phillips. Of the following members of that defense who aren't gone yet, probably only two will be back: Tuck, Rolle, Joseph, Kiwanuka, and Webster. And this is only a little more than two years after the game. To have any chance at the Super Bowl, we absolutely need JPP 2011 to return.
Like I said, I'm a natural pessimist, but I can't help feeling that this team has been derailed and the Coughlin era is history.
Did you watch the Giants this year and last year?
Did you watch the level of play from other teams in the league (not even Seattle)?
Some of the games we won were either with mirrors or due to the fact that we went up against a backup QB.
Our team is BAD. Eli was BAD and did not elevate this offense at all this season. We have made NO MOVES so far that would lead you to believe things will improve. This is not about anyone on the existing roster getting healthy. It is all about new people coming to this team. Hanging your hopes on things like "JPP being healthy" is absolutely foolish at this point. Thinking a healthy O line is also ridiculous when a few of them should not be starting even if they are in the best shape of their lives. New O Coordinator? Great but who knows WTF he is going to do? He has no track record as a successful OC in this league. So, will Eli win another Super Bowl? We should be asking ourselves when we may make the playoffs again first....we have seriously regressed.
going into next year we will have 19 players on the roster from our 2011 super bowl team.
note: i counted 5 players who are restricted free agents, and webster who has a voidable year next year.
if we don't sign any of our restricted we will have 14.
But i wouldn't say it would be easy or Eli just needs to play better. That will help, but, it's a team game..