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Does Eli win another Super Bowl?

chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 1:57 am
I think if he gets to the Conf Championship he has an advantage over anybody in the league right now. And I see TC staying at least 2 and maybe 3 more years to ride Eli to a 3rd SB.

So I guess the real question is can the Giants reload quick enough. My answer is an overwhelming yes. The key, aside from THIS offseason, in my mind is JPP returning to form, resigning Joseph and Beason and Will Hill getting straightened out. Despite what many have said, I see us as having good players depending on which vets are coming back. Rolle, Hill, Pugh, Cruz, Randle, JPP and , yes, Paysinger are all players I am expecting to be leaderrs on this team going forward. There is young talent already on this team and a very smart and good offseason or two is all I see us needing
If Nicks, JPP, Webster, S. Brown, C. Snee, D. Baas  
SGMen : 2/4/2014 2:09 am : link
all stayed healthy and played their best the Giants would have been a playoff team for sure. We aren't even close to being a SB team anymore. It will take a great draft, great free agency decisions, health and learning a new system quickly for them to even compete this coming season.

I think Eli has the ability to win another SB but he also has to have the pieces around him. I am not sure that this offense will do all that much next year. The defense should still be fairly solid though if JPP bounces back and Tuck is re-signed and plays well too.
I didnt say next year SG  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 2:15 am : link
Not breaking balls but u didnt answer the question. ;-)
chopperhatch  
SGMen : 2/4/2014 2:18 am : link
I don't think it is likely next year. To go further, it is hard to judge what talent will be on this roster in the long term.

I think Eli, TC and the Mara family will work hard to get the team to another SB. We just need to catch some breaks with health.
Still no answer.  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 2:28 am : link
But I have them winning in 3... either TC's last year or another coach's first
no offense but you're mixing certainties (does)  
chris r : 2/4/2014 2:28 am : link
with possibilities (can).

The more accurate question IMO is how likely is Eli to win another SB. I say he's got about a 15% chance to get another one.
It's important to remember  
BlackLight : 2/4/2014 2:34 am : link
that we won the last two Championships by getting hot in December, when we had spent most of the season on nobody's radar.

Can we do that again? I don't see why not. But it's frankly hard to see us having a season with Eli like Seattle just had - where they were in the Super Bowl conversation for most of the year. But honestly, that doesn't happen very often anymore anyway.
chris, are you tripping?  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 2:41 am : link
The posts does not say "CAN Eli..." It says DOES he which is a fairly certain question. Blacklight... again, not what im asking. 4 different posters and 1 answer?
chopper  
chris r : 2/4/2014 2:44 am : link
"So I guess the real question is CAN the Giants reload quick enough."

And btw chris r, which of DOES or CAN= certainty?  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 2:45 am : link
That would be WHEN he wins it, HOW he wins it or WHERE he wins it.
Again, not the original question  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 2:47 am : link
Which were you trying to answer? The giants reloading was a question to support my contention that Eli would win another one. You are trying too hard to be tedious which is confusing to me.
Chopper  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/4/2014 3:17 am : link
This thread's premise was stupid to begin with, but your com,nets made it 10x worse. The obvious answer is no, he doesn't, but that would go for virtually any QB his age.
all I can say with certainty is that  
gidiefor : 2/4/2014 4:39 am : link
I Hope So : )
I believes!

Go Giants!!!
RE: It's important to remember  
eli4life : 2/4/2014 6:08 am : link
In comment 11492307 BlackLight said:
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that we won the last two Championships by getting hot in December, when we had spent most of the season on nobody's radar.

Can we do that again? I don't see why not. But it's frankly hard to see us having a season with Eli like Seattle just had - where they were in the Super Bowl conversation for most of the year. But honestly, that doesn't happen very often anymore anyway.


We've got the rest of the league right where we want them. We couldn't be farther off the radar than what we are now :-)
in this league, definitely yes  
jsboston : 2/4/2014 6:19 am : link
your can reload quickly. the Giants have already proven, despite this season's debacle, that they are one of the better run organizations in the league.

and they've won, not just made it to the dance.
When the odds are 30 to 1 against  
Carl in CT : 2/4/2014 6:24 am : link
And at this point in his career he is on the downside the answer is an easy no but some of us homers can't accept it.
I'd have to say no unless....  
Crispino : 2/4/2014 7:12 am : link
Reese does an incredible job rebuilding the roster over the next two off seasons. Next year is out of the question IMO. I look at Seattle and San Francisco, and think there's a long way to go to overtake those two from a talent standpoint.
Yes.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2014 7:22 am : link
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Carl, homers? WTF are you talking about?  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2014 7:25 am : link
We've won 2 in 6 years, we have a right, given who our QB is, to reasonably believe that some runs are left in his 33 year-old arm. As Chop says, once we make it back to the tourney, where are the odds then. We have work to do and "homers" are quite aware of how quickly, teams with star QBs can get into it
A lot depends on whether we see the 2011 Eli  
Ira : 2/4/2014 7:25 am : link
or the 2013 Eli. The rest is on Jerry Reese.
Nope  
AnnapolisMike : 2/4/2014 7:26 am : link
I have to agree with Mike in Long Beach. Additionally, poor drafting and a lack of cap space due to Eli's contract make it to unlikely that the Giants can assemble a team that can do it. They just don't have the resources.


If Seattle is eliminated...  
silverfox : 2/4/2014 7:31 am : link
....from SB contention, perhaps...but the only team I think capable of doing that is SF. You have to have a mobile QB with a rocket arm that can hurt you by either running or passing...to have any chance against that Seattle defense. They are set for a long spell I think and very likely to repeat again next year.

If Denver couldn't put a dent in them, I don't see Eli (who is not close to caliber of QB his brother is) winning another SB...but then again he doesn't have to at this point.

Mike, you mean like Brady, Peyton, Favre, Gannon  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2014 7:32 am : link
and other aging QBs? age hasn't stopped or didn't stop any of them from putting their teams in position to win it all..cliche or not, I STONGLY believe in Eli. And yes, the obvious, if Eli performs like last year and that's who he has morphed into, we will not win or strongly vie for another SB. I also STRONGLY believe in TC and Reese and their ability to put this squad together and fix areas that have been woeful, be it through injuries or dirth of talent or both
BB 56  
AnnapolisMike : 2/4/2014 7:36 am : link
Your premise is that Eli is the best big game QB in the league. And I agree with you on that point. But he needs the tools around him to be great. And the Giants had a defense which was able to shut teams down.

I don't think the Giants will be able to assemble all the pieces necessary to make a run. With a huge cap number attached to Eli I don't feel that the front office has the financial resources available to build a great team. One reason that SF and Seattle are so good is they have more flexibility with less cap space attached to one position.
The odds are against him  
pjcas18 : 2/4/2014 7:41 am : link
winning another SB.

Brady won three in his 3 in his first 5 seasons, and none in the next 8.

Why would any assume it's likely or even probably for Eli to win another.

I say no, but obviously I hope he does.
Mike, I was actually addressing FEK, ;)  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2014 7:41 am : link
I think Eli will do a Brady contract or restucture or whatever it takes to get back in the hunt. Optimus and other learned people in this area seem to believe that we will have the resources to do so..We have smart people in charge, mistakes notwithstanding and they'll get it done, imo
Probably not  
AnyoneButPhilly : 2/4/2014 7:45 am : link
Teams like San Fran, Seattle, and CArolina will be dominant for years to come and Foles is not going to make the NFC East a cake walk
BB '56  
pjcas18 : 2/4/2014 7:45 am : link
do you think Eli's 2013 season being a disaster will help push him to do what Brady did (take a below market deal to help the team out)?

Eli always seems like a team player, but I hate speculating how other people will react with their money.

and in fact it turned out the Pats kind of screwed Brady who (at least in the media) they though was doing this so the Pats could afford Welker. they cheaped out on Welker and lost him.
The problem the Giants have with Eli  
AnnapolisMike : 2/4/2014 7:56 am : link
Is that he is being paid like a top 5 QB. And while he might be in the clutch. He has certainly not proven to be one otherwise. Eli needs guys around him to allow him to reach his full potential. When those guys are not around him...2013 happens.

If your paying your QB $15-20M per year....your other roster decisions need to work out really well. And for the Giants...they really have not. I am also coming at this from the angle that 2011 was a fluke. The 2007/2008 team was really good, while the 2011 team got hot at the right time. That is usually not going to happen.
Pj, good question.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2014 7:56 am : link
I really have no strong feel as to what shape Eli's contract takes on, but he wants to win more than anything and like his brother, will put all the possible time(and then some) in to make that happen. Yes he will get paid as Peyton did(not similar money, though I have little idea what form PM's contract with the Broncos took beyond media reporting), but he's one of the few athletes of this generation that really cares about winning more than money, though, as I said, he will get his..
Eli was good enough to beat an 18-0 Patriots team  
Headhunter : 2/4/2014 7:59 am : link
he is good enough to beat any team in one game
I don't disagree HH, that he can  
pjcas18 : 2/4/2014 8:00 am : link
but will he?

I think those odds are long.
What the NY Giants are today  
Headhunter : 2/4/2014 8:05 am : link
they will not be in 3 years from now. The one thing I will bet that if healthy Eli Manning will be the starting QB. We shall see what we shall see
Let's see....  
fkap : 2/4/2014 8:18 am : link
holes all over the place. question marks all over the place (like, can JPP resume an upward career trajectory after two down years?). No idea what sort of offense we'll be running, or whether the players we have will do well in it. Eli coming off a craptacular season.

any sane person placing an even money bet (reap one dollar for every dollar laid down) would bet that no, Eli will not win another SB.
there are four QBs with three or more SB rings  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2014 8:20 am : link
Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman and Brady. So, it's not totally out of the question, but the odds are pretty long if you ask me.
I think he does before he calls it quits  
jcn56 : 2/4/2014 8:30 am : link
but not for another 2-3 years and with a different supporting cast.
.....  
Klaatu : 2/4/2014 8:32 am : link


Never tell me the odds.
It's dependent on his supporting cast.  
Boy Cord : 2/4/2014 8:37 am : link
And that's not looking too good right now.
I think he does  
yankees78 : 2/4/2014 8:39 am : link
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When it comes to odds...  
arcarsenal : 2/4/2014 8:42 am : link
I'm not counting #10 out.

I have no idea if he will but I think the window can stay open for a few more years. This is a big offseason for the Giants FO.
Eli doesn't win anything  
WideRight : 2/4/2014 8:44 am : link
The team wins.

Will the team win another with Eli?

I still don't think so. They have way too far to go. It is not a dis on Eli. This should not be about Eli at all.
The odds of winning a Super Bowl for anybody  
an_idol_mind : 2/4/2014 8:47 am : link
are very low. Chances are we won't have another championship under Eli. Then again, chances are that Green Bay won't have another one under Rodgers, New Orleans won't have another one under Brees, and so on.

With the recognition that it is very hard to win a championship, I think Eli has as good of a chance as any other top quarterback in the league. Provided that Coughlin has made the right choice at OC and the line gets rebuilt, he is more than capable of guiding the team back to the postseason. Once there, who knows what might happen?
Tough question to answer right now...  
SB : 2/4/2014 8:59 am : link
He has shown real decline in his play the last 24 games. Is that due to a shitty O line, no reliable 3rd WR and an almost negligible running game? Or is it a physical decline of a veteran with over 10 years in the league? I do know this though; Eli needs to restructure his contract to make it more cap friendly. The Giants spend a higher % of their cap on the QB position than any other team. The giants need more cap room to get (or keep) quality depth.
He can clearly win another based on how NFL playoff teams  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2014 9:03 am : link
vary so much year to year, particularly in our own division.

But I dispute your point in the OP that the Giants have so much veteran and young talent on the team. I would say the Defense has talent but many come with serious question-marks like Joseph, Beason, JPP and Hill, and we need the pass rush to return big-time.

The Offense is so devoid of talent it is scary. This unit needs a serious infusion of talent from Free Agency and the Draft.

But, yeah, other than those issues, Eli should be good to go on his 3rd World Championship.
Why does Eli have an advantage over anyone  
barens : 2/4/2014 9:11 am : link
In the NFL if he gets to the conference championship?
Yeah, i had the same question.  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2014 9:16 am : link
I guess somebody on BBI thinks that Eli is "invincible" with a 2-0 career record in the NFCC.

Its a nice stat that doesn't have enough sample size...



Unfortunately....  
WestCoastGiant56 : 2/4/2014 9:36 am : link
No, I don't see him winning another one. I think Eli is great, however, I think the landscape of the NFL is changing. I think we are going to see more of the athletic running QBs take over the league, which are not Eli's strength.

Can a team rebuild in one year?  
Doomster : 2/4/2014 9:45 am : link
Sure it can.....there are examples all over the place.....

But to do that you have to have a front office making the right decisions, and a lot of luck....this front office has not been making the right decisions, and I don't trust them to do an about face.....as for luck, we used that up in two SB runs.....when you make a deal with "You-Know-Who", like Reese did, you will pay for years....as far as luck goes, Seattle was one tipped pass from not even being in the SB....

Peyton found out, just like Eli this year, if you don't have an offensive line that can take the pressure away from you, you become mortal....but it just wasn't OL pressure, it was the pressure those DB's put on the receivers.....they chucked them at the LOS....they didn't let them run free....and because everyone was close to the receivers, when they caught the ball they were hit immediately, and there were no YAC's.....I don't think the Bronco's tried one pick pattern, because the guy doing the pickin', probably would have had to be picked up....those dink and dunk passes that worked against the Pats, had no effect on the Seahawks....and without them, it didn't help the intermediate to long passing game...

Pressure Brady, he's mortal....pressure Peyton, the same.....Eli was pressured all season....

As for Eli, Eli does not win SB's.....teams do.....Eli just gets the credit more.....I see, at best, a 2 year rebuild.....what kind of qb with Eli be in 3 years? No one knows.....it's just a lot of wishful thinking right now....

Anything is possible, and there are several question  
Geeman : 2/4/2014 9:47 am : link
marks surrounding this roster, but fans need to also be mindful that other teams in this conference are better and will continue to get better too.
Seattle,SF,Eagles,Panthers,GB
teams like Arizona,Rams, Bears,Saints will also be in the mix. Falcons will probably bounce back as well. The NFC is really tough to come out of right now. Giants have a lot of work to do.
What about starting with....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/4/2014 9:51 am : link
....Does Eli ever get to the playoffs again?
For the "team" to win  
BigBlueinChicago : 2/4/2014 9:53 am : link
(not Eli), three big things have to happen

1. Giants need a large infusion of players on the team that will outperform their current contracts

2. Hit on an inordinate amount of draft picks.

3. Eliminate most, if not all "dead weight" taking up the cap while performance doesn't meet their paycheck.

If the QB is going to make $20 million, than that is the only way it can happen.
Can we get a Daniel Bryan  
dep026 : 2/4/2014 9:54 am : link
"YES" gif. going?
RE: Anything is possible, and there are several question  
Simms11 : 2/4/2014 10:12 am : link
In comment 11492667 Geeman said:
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marks surrounding this roster, but fans need to also be mindful that other teams in this conference are better and will continue to get better too.
Seattle,SF,Eagles,Panthers,GB
teams like Arizona,Rams, Bears,Saints will also be in the mix. Falcons will probably bounce back as well. The NFC is really tough to come out of right now. Giants have a lot of work to do.


Given the right moves and success with a new offense, it's very possible to get back to teh playoffs and beyond. Keep in midn that injuries and scheduling also have a huge impact on teams. Never know what can happen with a team from year to year. What happened to Atlanta this year?
RE: Can we get a Daniel Bryan  
Greg from LI : 2/4/2014 10:15 am : link
In comment 11492700 dep026 said:
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"YES" gif. going?


Atlanta was built around there offense  
Geeman : 2/4/2014 10:35 am : link
Once Julio went down and Roddy was nicked they were in trouble. There defense was never great. Seattle and SF are a different animal. SF has made it to the conf Championship 3 years in a row. Seattle not only has great starters but depth as well. They have some very good backs behind Lynch as well. Seattle is going anywhere for awhile.
the Giants don't need  
djm : 2/4/2014 10:48 am : link
"a great draft FA period and perfect off season"

Every team in the NFL has holes. Even Seattle has weak spots. The Giants won in 2007 with a flawed but dangerous roster and they win in 2011 with an even more flawed but explosive roster.

The Giants need to replace some dead weight with some solid talent. They don't need to be perfect they just need to shore up the weak spots with capable bodies. They have some flexibility to get things done.

Then it comes down to health and luck and timing. If Eli and this team (Coughlin) can find their way to late December with a winning record, legit shot at the Div Title and good health, I wouldn't want to bet against them. I trust this team in a big spot. Just get there.
18 TDs/27 INTs in 2013  
gregwpkt : 2/4/2014 10:50 am : link
and yet, we won 7 games. Napoleon Dynamite went 27/2, and they won 3 more games than the Giants. Eli's career average TD/INT ratio is 24/18. He just matches that, and we make up the 3 games on the Eagles (and if you think Foles is going 27/2 again....). The last time Eli threw 25 picks (2010), he came back the next year with SB MVP #2, so he's flat-out proven he can bounce back from a bad year. "Does" he win another SB? I don't profess to know (but I think so). "Can" he? Yes. Also, he's a much safer bet to win another than his bro or Tom Brady.
2010 wasn't a bad year for Eli.  
BrettNYG10 : 2/4/2014 10:50 am : link
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if the Giants have too far to go  
djm : 2/4/2014 10:54 am : link
then they had too far to go after the 2009 season too. We know how that turned out.

Think back to 2009. The Giants were faced with the prospects of having absolutely no defense at all. Their WRs were young an inexperienced and Smith, the only reliable VET on the team was about to rip his knee in apart the following year.

You're team is never as good or bad as you think. We weren't the best team in NFL history when November 2008 rolled around and we aren't some team lost in the wilderness today. We have the head coach and QB in place. ONe of the most talented DEs in football entering his money making prove it years along with very good DTs and a good secondary with ascending talent. Solid LB talent...just need to shore up the OL and RBs. Everything else is in place.

It is so flucking tough to win a SB, regardless of QB.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/4/2014 11:06 am : link
2 in 6 yrs in this millenium? Wow..
By my calculations  
Randy in CT : 2/4/2014 11:08 am : link
I came up with a 42.302% chance we win 2 more with Eli.
Randy  
chris r : 2/4/2014 11:08 am : link
I'm going to need to see your data on that.
RE: RE: Can we get a Daniel Bryan  
dep026 : 2/4/2014 11:14 am : link
In comment 11492775 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 11492700 dep026 said:


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"YES" gif. going?





See what happens when you dont drink enough soda....
The competition  
PaulN : 2/4/2014 11:15 am : link
Is ferocious right now, you have Rodgers to deal with, you have brees to deal with, then you have up and coming teams like the panthers, and i think next year the Rams, even the cards are tough, then you still have Seattle and the 49rs. It's time to thank God we won two of these things and start to apprciate what we have had here.

I would love to win another, don't misunderstand me, but you say it like it's nothing. Just look at the NFC right now, it is a monster.
I thought this comment was funny...  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2014 11:29 am : link
In comment 11492890 djm said:
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The Giants need to replace some dead weight with some solid talent. They don't need to be perfect they just need to shore up the weak spots with capable bodies. They have some flexibility to get things done.


Almost every piece of our Offense is a "weak spot".


The NFC is definitely the stronger conference now  
RaymondFrood : 2/4/2014 11:44 am : link
We really need a solid draft from Reese this year. What really helped us win the superbowl back in '07 was having like 5 of our draft picks contribute in big ways. Our last few drafts have not been great, which contributes to having an older team of shorter contract FA's.

Wilson is definitely an X factor for us. If they can get the offensive line cleaned up and Wilson's neck is fully healthy, he can be a huge weapon. I think some people have forgotten how hard he runs and how fast he is. Walter Payton couldn't have run behind our o-line those first 5 weeks of the season.
yes  
Phil from WNY : 2/4/2014 11:54 am : link
3 and 4.
yes  
bob in tx : 2/4/2014 12:02 pm : link
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djm, your 10:48 and 10:54  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 12:04 pm : link
Really hit it as far as im concerned. The two things that are constant (the coach and QB) are still here. Yes, they both need to bounce back and they have both done so...twice. I just think it is far too early to say that Eli has lost it.

As for why the Giants just making it to the tournament gives them an advantage over other teams, with the exception of Brady 10 years or so ago, I have not seen one QB currently playing elevate his game is pressure situations like Eli has. Couple that with his ability to shake off failure and I think he's still got some magic in him.

BTW, I think some of you have forgotten the purpose of this board. I love people calling the original post stupid or whatever. Its a discussion board. I asked a question, gave my opinion and read responses. The vast majority of posters saw the thread this way too. I never really understood why people enter threads only to sound off about why a topic is stated or discussed. There's the Back To The Corner button if you don't like what ur reading.
This thread is so dumb.  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/4/2014 12:07 pm : link
What the hell is the point in definitively predicting whether Eli wins another title. The odds are obviously overwhelmingly against him. Some people can't grasp this concept: Just because I'm taking "the field" over Eli when it comes to winning a title each of the next five years, doesn't mean that I don't think Eli's chances stack up nicely against any other individual QB in the league.

If you're asking me do I think Eli has as good a chance as any QB to win another title, then my answer changes... but do I think he wins one? Do I think it's likely? No. That's just foolish.
A question....  
Doomster : 2/4/2014 12:09 pm : link
By my calculations
Randy in CT : 11:08 am : link : reply
I came up with a 42.302% chance we win 2 more with Eli.


What were your math grades in statistics and probabilities?
To answer the thread  
mrvax : 2/4/2014 12:12 pm : link
it's not "yes" or "no".

Eli and the Giants have about as good a chance to win another during Eli's reign as any other NFL team with a very good QB.
mrvax  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/4/2014 12:16 pm : link
Chopper won't accept that as an answer (check out his first few comments).
Yes  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/4/2014 12:18 pm : link
because I'm a Giants fan.

I do think Eli bounces back from this awful 2013 season and puts together a really nice string of seasons together.
Lol. Mike you're unbelievable  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 12:23 pm : link
I was only gauging what most people's opinion on the Giants winning it again during the Eli era. That's it... the sole purpose of the thread. But you deem it as "stupid." Therefore it doesnt warrant discussion. And yes I was trying to steer the direction of the thread towards posters providing a declarative answer and supporting their statement. How stupid and pointless.
Yes  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/4/2014 12:31 pm : link
It is stupid and pointless to ask a question with a painfully obvious answer.
Mike  
Phil from WNY : 2/4/2014 12:36 pm : link
We're fans. We don't run detailed regression analyses and BBI is far from the peer review process.
Perhaps you should reread the thread.  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 12:37 pm : link
Responses have been relatively evenly split. There ARE some people who dont think he will and then again some who think he will get another one.

So if you are saying that the OBVIOUS answer is yes or no, then I guess you're correct. Perhaps you should go look for a thread outlining the Islanders playoff chances. That discussion is probably more obvious.
I think it's absolutely possible.  
GiantSteps : 2/4/2014 12:38 pm : link
Seattle has once again proven that a great defense can shut down the greatest offense. They did it against mobile quarterbacks, they did it against not-so mobile quarterbacks. I'm not buying that we need the mobile quarterback to compete in a new-fangled style of play. It is certainly a bonus to have a mobile quarterback, but it is not the be-all end-all backbone of any team.

We all know what the real answer is: Eli is absolutely capable. And lordy, do I wanna see him get one more ring. In the worst way, especially after this season. But we've had so many problems with health and draft busts. It's all up to the head office.

The potential is still there! I don't think it's impossible, but the window is closing, and the time is getting shorter. We basically have to have *perfect* offseasons for the next couple years.

The first steps towards this offseason were bad ones: winning our last two games. I don't know how to justify it, exactly. Yes, we play to win. Did those wins serve the team at all? Maybe a little bit in the 'team spirit' dept. but maybe that's about it, and if that at all. We pushed ourselves backward in the draft....for what, exactly? It would've been more *strategically* sound to put our starters out there for a quarter in each game, and then let the 2s and 3s play, in my opinion. I know that's not the TC way, and I know it's not the macho way, but it certainly would've benefited the team in the draft.

Anyway, I think it can be done. But all of Reese's moves have to be genius level. No more of this Ryan Nassib in the 4th kinda crap.
PS  
GiantSteps : 2/4/2014 12:39 pm : link
How many years did it take to rebuild Seattle? 3? 4? God willing, Eli will be productive for at least that many more years. Make the right moves around him, and we'll be able to get in there with anybody.
Phil  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/4/2014 12:42 pm : link
The thread is fine until chopper's first 5 comments where he starts telling people what they can and can't respond with.

On it's own, it's a fun question. When you start telling people they have to answer with a yes or no, it becomes stupid.
Seattle is right now, the team to beat.  
Geeman : 2/4/2014 12:43 pm : link
Consider this, Denver had an offense that was arguably one of the best in league history, and that defense made them look the Jags. Our offense is not on the same level as Denvers. We don't have the Oline, we don't have wides as good as Thomas, Welker and Decker. We don't have a TE as good as Julius Thomas. We don't have backs as good as the combo of Moreno and Ball and Eli is not as good as Peyton.
the Giants have solid wides and a very good QB but this Oline would have to make a major leap to even have a shot at beating a team like Seattle. We are going to need another back and a TE too. We are a couple of years away realistically.
Mike  
Phil from WNY : 2/4/2014 12:47 pm : link
Got it - I usually ignore when people tell me what I can or cannot do.
Steps I agree  
chopperhatch : 2/4/2014 12:48 pm : link
I also (and am probably going to get shredder on this) think that getting a great running game is the answer to beating a team like the Hawks. Yes Denver ran it during the season. But I tend to think that running game was very much set up by the pass. Id have to rewatch the game, but I seem to remember Denver not really running out of big sets and not really focusing on establishing the running game. Your bigs vs. our bigs... chew up yards. The '07 and '08 Giants did this and this was when the league was already pass first. Watching Jacobs, Ward and Bradshaw get huge chunks on the ground really changed the defensive game plan. I think if the Broncos had this element to their game they couldve at least been in the game at the very least somewhat.

Fortunately we have a coach and OC who still wants the same element to the offense
Who knows ....  
Beer Man : 2/4/2014 1:16 pm : link
hard to imagine right now with all the holes to fill
I'm just hoping 2014 follows the same  
bradshaw44 : 2/4/2014 1:45 pm : link
path that 07 and 11 did. Peyton goes to the super bowl and Eli follows the next year. Lets keep that up.
RE: A question....  
Randy in CT : 2/4/2014 2:14 pm : link
In comment 11493094 Doomster said:
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By my calculations
Randy in CT : 11:08 am : link : reply
I came up with a 42.302% chance we win 2 more with Eli.


What were your math grades in statistics and probabilities?
Eleventeen and five quarters?
Not likely  
jLefty : 2/4/2014 2:31 pm : link
our only wins this year were OB troubled teams.So many holes.If Eli was a more mobile QB, maybe. Still doubtful.We were lucky to be 7 and 9.
Agree with Lefty.  
Randy in CT : 2/4/2014 2:35 pm : link
There's very little chance we will win Super Bowl 48.
RaymondFrood  
jLefty : 2/4/2014 2:40 pm : link
Nice to see someone else feels the same way regarding Wilson.
No,  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/4/2014 3:13 pm : link
not with the Giants. Eli is still a very good quarterback, capable of winning big games, withstanding pressure, and staying calm.

But we keep seeing that teams win Super Bowls when they can do two things: get to the quarterback, and prevent the other team from getting to the quarterback.

Lately, the Giants have been dogshit at doing these two things, and there isn't much hope going forward with regard to the offensive line.

It's giong to take a lot of work for the Giants to re-tool and improve these two areas. Can it be done in the short-term? Unlikely, but possible.
After a carefful analysis I see two possibilities  
DaveFromNewMexico : 2/4/2014 3:42 pm : link
He either wins another superbowl or he doesn't. Therefore I am going out on a limb and saying it's 50/50
Yes  
old man : 2/4/2014 3:58 pm : link
and as a Giant. Next question?
Seriously, yes. I believe the next 2 offseasons JR redeems himself as GM and we build an NFL team that is good, and young, and fast. We get to The Show and theres 2 SB championship parades the Tuesday after the SB, 1 in NYC, one in ERutherford.
I'm just not sure Eli wins MVP this time.
The last 3 SB winners have had the same forumla  
PatersonPlank : 2/4/2014 4:18 pm : link
1) A QB who did not turn it over
2) A Defense playing lights out

I think if this is the new criteria, then sure why not. I do not think there has been a sea change to a running QB. In fact before Wilson, the Qbs who won were :
Flacco
Eli
Rogers
Brees
Big Ben
Let's be consistent  
AnishPatel : 2/4/2014 4:38 pm : link
and make the playoffs first. I am very excited about this new offense. Let's hope Ross and Reese can do a lot better than they have been.
The salary cap  
BigBlueCane : 2/4/2014 4:55 pm : link
and its management will take care of any would be Dynasties in the NFC. Don't delude yourself into thinking it won't.

And yes Eli has at least one more in him IF the Giants are able to do somethings they haven't been able to do lately. Develop talent well and play good football.
Possible? Of course.  
SanFranGiantsFan : 2/4/2014 6:43 pm : link
Likely? Probably not.

There are 32 teams in this league, thus making the odds remote to begin with.
Yes  
RetroJint : 2/4/2014 7:03 pm : link
But it will take 3 years. They are not even in the same universe as the Hawks right now. And unlike the recent trend of champions in the NFL, I think Seattle can win 2 more in, say, 3 seasons. They're not Big Ticket centric as far as the cap. They'll pay their QB, of course. But, unlike Reese, they don't have to pick the low hanging fruit on the money tree. That's the most expensive buys.

Giants have Coughlin, who I think remains the best coach in the NFL. They have Eli, as always, a somewhat flawed athlete, who nonetheless rises to the the challenge in the biggest of moments of the most important of games. The magic is still in him. It's waiting. They have to help him is all.

The defense is a retention of Beason, the return of a healthy, more mature JPP, and the addition of a corner, who becomes the route in coverage, of being a top 5 unit. They are that close.
I vividly remember a thread  
MarshallOnMontana : 2/4/2014 7:06 pm : link
after super bowl 46, when the question was posed... "Do you sign for another SB with Eli (and only 1), or do you pass and take your chances for more than just 1"

The overwhelming majority said that if given the option they would pass and take their chances at 2 or more. But that was in the post SB euphoria when everyone had visions of dynasty floating in their head

Anything is possible. The odds are way against it, but at the same time by the odds its pretty unfathomable he has the two he does. Truly unbelievable, and i don't mean that as a knock against him, but lets be real

I find most of the following to be coincidence, but historically QBs just don't win SBs after the age of 34. We're talking about only a handful of players who have. (FYI Eli will be 34 at the time of next seasons SB kickoff). Its kind of astonishing to me considering the high level so many guys have played on after that age, but its still very rare. In fact, in 2011 at 31 years and 1 month old, Eli was the oldest QB to win a SB in the last decade
MoM  
mrvax : 2/4/2014 7:22 pm : link
If the QB is getting older but still retains his skills, he should actually be better. He should be wiser and have been there/done that. It's not really a huge surprise that Peyton had a record smashing year at the age of 51 or whatever he is.

Peyton hasn't lost but maybe a bit of zip on the ball and he is a smart SOB. (Sans Superbowl of course.)
get him a good line. ..  
Howyadoin : 2/4/2014 8:11 pm : link
And have him call his own plays... we're in! !
I've always been pessimistic, so don't worry about this post.  
Reese's Pieces : 2/4/2014 8:56 pm : link
When has a Super Bowl winner ever disassembled itself so quickly? If I watch the replay of the SB 46 win about three months from now, I'll be watching Eli and mostly a bunch of former Giants.

Just sticking to defense we will be missing the following players who made contributions: Osi, Canty, Boley, Blackburn, and Phillips. Of the following members of that defense who aren't gone yet, probably only two will be back: Tuck, Rolle, Joseph, Kiwanuka, and Webster. And this is only a little more than two years after the game. To have any chance at the Super Bowl, we absolutely need JPP 2011 to return.

Like I said, I'm a natural pessimist, but I can't help feeling that this team has been derailed and the Coughlin era is history.
Shit I sure hope so  
gmenatlarge : 2/4/2014 9:12 pm : link
BUT the competition has gotten markedly tougher, both Seattle and SF have much more talented rosters than the G-men, not to mention the Saints(tough at home)and an up and coming Carolina. It's going to be tough sledding against the defenses of Sea/SF/Car especially with our existing o-line, the improvement is going to have to be substantial!!!
Without reading every post in this thread...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 2/4/2014 9:27 pm : link
and just responding to chopperhatch....

Did you watch the Giants this year and last year?
Did you watch the level of play from other teams in the league (not even Seattle)?

Some of the games we won were either with mirrors or due to the fact that we went up against a backup QB.

Our team is BAD. Eli was BAD and did not elevate this offense at all this season. We have made NO MOVES so far that would lead you to believe things will improve. This is not about anyone on the existing roster getting healthy. It is all about new people coming to this team. Hanging your hopes on things like "JPP being healthy" is absolutely foolish at this point. Thinking a healthy O line is also ridiculous when a few of them should not be starting even if they are in the best shape of their lives. New O Coordinator? Great but who knows WTF he is going to do? He has no track record as a successful OC in this league. So, will Eli win another Super Bowl? We should be asking ourselves when we may make the playoffs again first....we have seriously regressed.
Yes  
GMenLTS : 2/4/2014 9:28 pm : link
And I can't wait to gloat when it happens.
We've said this before......  
Doomster : 2/5/2014 10:52 am : link
This off season will "define" Reese's legacy with the the Giants.....he has a lot of important decisions to make.....he has to change his approach to the CAP.....he has to decide the worth of Giant free agents and make offers accordingly....he has to fill "holes" with free agents and draft picks.....his draft picks have to produce quickly...we can't afford to draft "projects" who take up roster spots year after year, with no production from them....
for fun  
RicFlair : 2/5/2014 12:02 pm : link
our 2011 super bowl team had 14 players from the 2007 super bowl team on the roster.


going into next year we will have 19 players on the roster from our 2011 super bowl team.


note: i counted 5 players who are restricted free agents, and webster who has a voidable year next year.

if we don't sign any of our restricted we will have 14.
yes  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/5/2014 12:03 pm : link
unless no. Possibly maybe, possibly.
It's easy to say yes, considering past SB's  
GMANinDC : 2/5/2014 6:09 pm : link
But then if you go back and look at Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Peyton, who haven't one one in a few years, then you have to be realistic to say it's possible, of course..

But i wouldn't say it would be easy or Eli just needs to play better. That will help, but, it's a team game..
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