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which giants 1st round pick surprised you the most?

Hades07 : 2/4/2014 8:26 pm
Since you have been paying attention to the draft, which 1st round pick surprised you the most? Why? Which one made you say "wow I never would have guessed they'd pick him"?
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Micko : 2/4/2014 8:28 pm : link
Both Dayne and Wheatley come to mind. I just didn't understand either at the time.
JPP  
Danny Kanell : 2/4/2014 8:29 pm : link
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I'm only 23 yrs old  
SamdaGiantsFan : 2/4/2014 8:29 pm : link
but Kiwanuka was pretty surprising for me, I think it was 2006. They came off an 11-5 year and had Strahan, Osi, and Tuck, and Reese threw need completely out the window. Didn't see them going pass rusher early that year
I'm gonna say Kiwi too...totally shocked we picked him  
NYG in NC : 2/4/2014 8:32 pm : link
another surprise pick to me was Luke Pettigout.
Gordon king  
Earl the goat : 2/4/2014 8:33 pm : link
10 th overall. I was 14 and broke a lamp
Dayne when they could have had  
section125 : 2/4/2014 8:35 pm : link
Alexander. I could not believe it.
Dayne and Wheatly were both bad picks that made no sense to me at the  
Hades07 : 2/4/2014 8:39 pm : link
time, but neither surprised me. If fact I expected both and hated the picks before they made them. Both turned out to be much better players than I expected.

Kiwi was a big surprise to me as well, bith position and player.

The biggest surprise was Bunch to me. Of all the positions a FB, after drafting a RB the previous year. Bunch wasn't even remotely on my radar. Too bad his body couldn't hold up because he looked good when he played.

The other runner for this one was Thomas Lewis, but loses to Bunch because I expected them to get a WR, just not that one.
Carl Banks  
mfjmfj : 2/4/2014 8:51 pm : link
Linebacker?? We fricking need a wide receiver!
Luke Petitgout  
Ira : 2/4/2014 8:55 pm : link
I had just started on bbi when that pick when that pick was made and everyone was posting - Luke who?
RE: Dayne when they could have had  
mrvax : 2/4/2014 8:55 pm : link
In comments section125 said:
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Alexander. I could not believe it.


Fassel attended the Hula Bowl that year and was in love with Dayne. It was Fassel's pick. Somehow he convinced everyone Dayne was exactly what the Giants needed.

Kiwi was the big surprise to me.
Dave Brown  
BlueinRoch : 2/4/2014 9:00 pm : link
Didn't the Giants give up their #1 to get him in a supplemental draft. I didn't think he was worth it at the time.
Thomas Lewis  
Boy Cord : 2/4/2014 9:00 pm : link
What a disaster. He was more surprised than anyone.
Cedric "Cyclops" Jones!  
redraider12 : 2/4/2014 9:00 pm : link
A DE blind in one eye. He could only play on one side of the DL.
Shaun Williams  
LPete : 2/4/2014 9:01 pm : link
Thought for sure it was going to be Alan Faneca. Pettitgout. David Wilson- just thought it would have been Cordy Glenn or Andre Branch.
Pugh  
RicFlair : 2/4/2014 9:04 pm : link
it was a pleasant surprise because I'm a big Syracuse fan, but I was indeed surprised.
Jpp  
rdt288 : 2/4/2014 9:09 pm : link
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Thomas Lewis  
Rjanyg : 2/4/2014 9:13 pm : link
He wasn't on any of the 4 draft guides Except One had him as a 5th round pick. I wasn't as surprised about Cedric Jones but I had no idea which way the Giants wold go. I was hoping for Ray Lewis but the Giants don't use first round picks on linebackers LOL!
Simms. Next was Kiwi.  
yatqb : 2/4/2014 9:14 pm : link
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Joe Don Looney. I was really shocked at that one as he had already  
carpoon : 2/4/2014 9:14 pm : link
been showing signs that he would live up to his name.
Carpoon  
Jay in Toronto : 2/4/2014 10:00 pm : link
if we go back that far how could Rocky Thompson not make the list?

I was disappointed we didn't take Faneca (sp?) and giving up a #1 for Brown as a supplemental was a real reach.
Easy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/4/2014 10:20 pm : link
Thomas Lewis.
Giants long and dismal draft history  
Jupiter : 2/4/2014 10:36 pm : link
Have the Giants ever drafted a Big Ten running back who was productive with the Giants? Have the Giants ever had a Big Ten running back on the roster who was productive?

I don't remember one since 1960. I do remember Dayne, Wheatley, Woolfork and even some less memorable RBs.
Thomas Lewis  
djstat : 2/4/2014 10:42 pm : link
Who the hell heard of him? Young's worst off season was 1994.

Lost: Oates, Kratch, Moore, Jackson, Guyton, Simms

Added: Lewis in the first round. In fairness got Sehorn in round 2.
Kiwi was drafted  
djstat : 2/4/2014 10:43 pm : link
by Accorsi
Thomas Lewis for certain...  
Jimmy Googs : 2/4/2014 10:44 pm : link
Its was like the Giants were choosing up sides in recess and he was the last kid left.
Sehorn was a 3rd rd pick  
JAG One : 2/4/2014 11:09 pm : link
I believe. I think we had two 3rd rd picks that draft.
Jay, there was hope with Rocky because of his blazing speed, but  
carpoon : 2/4/2014 11:38 pm : link
Looney was already off the wall.

In the '50's there were some nearly equally terrible first round picks.
RE: Giants long and dismal draft history  
Hades07 : 2/5/2014 12:03 am : link
In comment 11494373 Jupiter said
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Have the Giants ever had a Big Ten running back on the roster who was productive?
off the top of my head, Gary Brown was productive. Bunch was productive until he broke down, quickly.
I Agree  
Trainmaster : 2/5/2014 12:18 am : link
regarding Thomas Lewis. If I recall correctly, most draft guides had him as a 3rd or 4th round pick at best.
All of them  
CALLAHANfrmCT : 2/5/2014 1:11 am : link
But I thought Eli would fall to them in 03. He didn't, but they got him.
When the Giants picked Phillip Rivers that shocked me.  
wgenesis123 : 2/5/2014 2:05 am : link
Had no idea that SanDiego wanted him in a trade for Eli. Really left me scratching my head for a few minutes.
Cedric Jones  
Phil in LA : 2/5/2014 3:08 am : link
and Aaron Ross.
Simms, I had no idea who he was at the time  
Clearwater Joe : 2/5/2014 5:31 am : link
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Rocky Thompson  
pa_giant_fan : 2/5/2014 7:00 am : link
Thomas Lewis, Cedric Jones.
Lawrence Taylor  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 2/5/2014 7:27 am : link
How was he still available as the second pick in the draft? Only Bum Phillips would pass on him for a running back.
I'll go with Banks and Kiwi  
WideRight : 2/5/2014 8:08 am : link
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Ross and Wilson were surprises  
WideRight : 2/5/2014 8:10 am : link
because the real prizes, Revis and ?, came off the board early...
Pretty much all the RB's mentioned....  
Italianju : 2/5/2014 8:35 am : link
in this thread.

Wilson was really surprising to me cause i just never thought the giants would value an RB as a first round pick. My wife kept telling me they should take an RB and i was like there is no way the giants take an RB that early, you can get great value on RB's later. Then boom "giants select David Wilson"
No George Adams comments?  
timintey : 2/5/2014 8:40 am : link
To me, he was worse than Dayne, Wheatley or Bunch
Draft surprises  
lugnut : 2/5/2014 8:41 am : link
Kiwi - because we were loaded at DE and I'd never heard of him.
Pugh - b/c I'd never heard of him.
JPP - didn't think Giants would ever take someone in 1st round w/ so little experience and only upside. We needed DE but I could have sworn it would be Derrick Morgan - good, solid, dependable, no surprises - Giants written all over him.
Luke Pettigout  
Giants2012 : 2/5/2014 8:53 am : link
Who the heck is that?
Based just on the title of the post?  
Doomster : 2/5/2014 9:01 am : link
It had to be LT.....we knew he had to be good, because he was a number one pick....

But to transform this defense overnight, and play at the level he did as a rookie? I don't think anyone could have foreseen that!

Tyrone Wheatley was a very good  
section125 : 2/5/2014 9:04 am : link
football player. It was a dumbass coach that refused to play him over 4 lbs of weight.
I've been a fan for a long time, and to be honest,  
barens : 2/5/2014 9:32 am : link
Pugh was just as surprising as any pick they've had in 30 years. Until Mayock predicted the pick just prior to their pick, I was still shocked.
LT, i thought wtf we are solid at LB.  
gtt350 : 2/5/2014 10:03 am : link
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Doomster LT was the #2 pick  
gtt350 : 2/5/2014 10:04 am : link
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Eldridge Small  
Spirit of '86 : 2/5/2014 11:04 am : link
The most surprising and the worst! At least rocky Thompson ran back a few kicks
probably Thomas Lewis and Kiwanuka  
Greg from LI : 2/5/2014 11:08 am : link
Dayne was a pick I hated, but it wasn't a shock. There was talk before the draft that the Giants liked him.
Derek Brown (TE) and Cedric Jones (DE).......  
Simms11 : 2/5/2014 11:16 am : link
both huge busts!
Prince,  
NJGiantFan84 : 2/5/2014 11:19 am : link
but more because I was surprised he fell to us than us actually picking him. Since he fell to us, I would have been surprised if we didn't pick him.

JPP surprised me as well for 2 reasons. First, I didn't expect a DE to be selected in round 1. Second, Giants tend to like guys in the 1st round who have gotten results in NCAA play rather than "project" picks with a super high ceiling due to athleticism. He didn't fit the "mold" to me and truth be told, I hated the pick. Said something like "we just drafted a guy because he can do a bunch of back flips." Glad I was wrong.

Luke Petitgout was a big surprise to me  
MadPlaid : 2/5/2014 11:24 am : link
Never heard of him. He turned out to be pretty good, so it worked out.

Thomas Lewis was also a surprise, and that didn't work out at all. Ugh!
Phillip  
Josh in the City : 2/5/2014 11:26 am : link
Rivers
Yes,  
Doomster : 2/5/2014 11:40 am : link
Doomster LT was the #2 pick
gtt350 : 10:04 am : link : reply
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Yes, he was....at the time, we had some pretty good linebackers, too.....

Back in those days, you didn't have the internet like now, to research players.....you more or less, listened to the media.....he had to be good, he was the number 2 pick in the entire draft......that guarantees nothing.....

But think about it:

In 1980, the Giants were 4-12 and the defense gave up 425 points....

In 1981, with the draft of Taylor, the team was 9-7, and the defense only gave up 257 points, an improvement of 168 less points scored....not only that, the team made the playoffs for the first time in almost 20 years.....

Everyone that has seen Beason play this year, gets really excited....go to YouTube and watch highlights of Taylor in his rookie year......to see a rookie play at this level on defense and ST's his first year was unreal.....it was like the first time Superman came out of that telephone booth........
Kiwanuka didn't surprise me at all.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/5/2014 12:42 pm : link
Strahan was year-to-year by that point. Tuck had one sack as a rookie, and wouldn't get another until 2007. Osi was a pure RDE, and I'm not even sure he had signed his big extension yet. (I think it came later that off-season.) Kiwanuka was was a top LDE prospect and he had the made-for-Coughlin BC pedigree.

The Giants had learned in 2004 how injuries at DE could gut their defense. Sure enough, Strahan, Tuck and Osi all got hurt in 2006. Kiwi played every game, started nine, and easily led the DEs in tackles, despite one soul-crushing encounter with Vince Young.

For a defense built around its DEs, Kiwanuka was a logical pick - and initially a great trade-down. The problem with that draft was what Ernie did next.
RE: Derek Brown (TE) and Cedric Jones (DE).......  
Hades07 : 2/5/2014 12:43 pm : link
In comment 11494922 Simms11 said:
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both huge busts!
How was Derek Brown a surprise? Terrible pick for sure, but I think every draft publication mocked Brown to the Giants that year.
Rocky Thompson & Eldridge Small  
njm : 2/5/2014 12:46 pm : link
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Luke Petitgout  
Mike in NY : 2/5/2014 12:49 pm : link
When we were rushing up to the podium I thought for sure that it was for L.J. Shelton or Aaron Gibson. I had to go scrambling through my draft mags to find out about Petitgout. As it turned out he ended up the best of the three
Brian Williams surprised me.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/5/2014 12:51 pm : link
Bart Oates had just turned 30, and would start at center for four more years before moving on to San Francisco. 20-20 hindsight: Steve Atwater and Andre Rison were among the next four picks.
Rocky Thompson  
Stu : 2/5/2014 12:52 pm : link
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Dave Brown...  
Dan in the Springs : 2/5/2014 12:58 pm : link
in all other cases, I was expecting a pick, but this one was weird. I wasn't paying attention and didn't think about the draft. This was before the internet kept me up on daily developments and even possible developments. I remember seeing it in the paper that we'd made a first round selection and thinking - what?

There have been many April days when the first pick was a head scratcher, but only one in June (was it June?)
The pick immediately after Brian Williams was pretty good too.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/5/2014 12:58 pm : link
Wayne Martin had over 80 sacks for the Saints.
Ross, Lewis and Dave Brown(Supplemental but cost us a 1)  
Big Blue '56 : 2/5/2014 1:12 pm : link
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The Prince....  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/5/2014 1:12 pm : link
didnt think he would fall to us
Dayne  
bc4life : 2/5/2014 1:34 pm : link
Thought for sure the rb from Bama who played for Seattle for years would have been our pick.
Brian Williams was a  
bc4life : 2/5/2014 1:36 pm : link
grat lick. Freak injury and playing on sh*t teams made it irrelevant.
RE: RE: Derek Brown (TE) and Cedric Jones (DE).......  
Jimmy Googs : 2/5/2014 2:03 pm : link
In comment 11495106 Hades07 said:
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In comment 11494922 Simms11 said:


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both huge busts!

How was Derek Brown a surprise? Terrible pick for sure, but I think every draft publication mocked Brown to the Giants that year.


Why did Derek Brown suck? Was he just hyped up because of Notre Dame or did he get injured early?
bc4life: Brian Williams was a great pick???  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/5/2014 2:34 pm : link
Over a four-year span from 1990 to 1993, he started two games. He wasn't a bad pick, and he was a good player during his very brief prime. But wouldn't you agree that picking him at #18 was a surprise, and an overreaction to Oates turning 30?

If the Giants wanted an interior lineman, they could have taken Steve Wisniewski, who lasted until #29. That would have been a great pick. By the time Williams finally displaced Oates in 1994, Wisniewski had gone to four Pro Bowls and been first-team All-Pro twice. He was arguably the best guard in the NFL for the first half of the 90s (After Matthews, before Allen), and may have been the best left guard of his generation. The only good thing about Wisniewski dropping to the Cowboys was that they didn't keep him - although they did wind up with Moose Johnston to show for it.
Rocky Thompson or/and Thomas Lewis  
PatersonPlank : 2/5/2014 2:39 pm : link
both rediculous
Phil "who?"  
PeterS : 2/5/2014 5:55 pm : link
Simms.

I was also mad that we didn't get George Rogers and got the Taylor guy.
Craig Morton 1975  
ben apuna's fanbase : 2/5/2014 10:19 pm : link
Not really good value for the 2nd pick in the draft.
Blogger  
bc4life : 2/6/2014 8:54 am : link
The eye injury - He was never the same after it. Could have been a great player for them for years - but, it is tough to say what might have been.
bc4life: The eye injury was MUCH later.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/6/2014 10:04 am : link
That happened in his ninth year, when he was already 31. A center who doesn't play until his sixth season isn't a great draft pick.

I understand that Williams was drafted in 1989, before unrestricted free agency, when it was still possible to draft for the future. But still - I think it's safe to say George Young expected the #18 pick to contribute before 1994.
really at 31 years ol  
bc4life : 2/6/2014 11:15 am : link
thanks for the history lesson.

Thought it happened much earlier in his career. He played on some crap teams so that limited his game too. But, yeah characterizing him as a "great pick - definitely exaggerated his value.
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