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Combine Measurements for OL, TE starting to roll in

sjnyfan : 2/20/2014 3:38 pm
Saw these from a few tweets:

Zack Martin, 6'4", 308 lbs, 32 7/8 arms (longer than Pugh)

Taylor Lewan, 6'7 1/8", 309 lbs (kinda light, imo), 33 7/8" arms

Greg Robinson, 6'5", 332 35" arms

Longest arms, Luke Lucas K-State, 36 3/4"! Project though. Day 3 pick

Still looking for a site that has everyone and will post asap.
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 3:39 pm : link
all the OL's and TE's - ( New Window )
RE: they  
PeterS : 2/20/2014 3:44 pm : link
In comment 11518278 Phil in LA said:
rolled. all the OL's and TE's - ( New Window )

Looks like I'll be on google doc's all night tonight! Thanks Phil. Interestingly, the heights are all rounded (up?) but the arms are to the fraction. Also, Colt Lyerla weighs 2,242 lbs.
Thanks Phil!  
sjnyfan : 2/20/2014 3:50 pm : link
Can't wait for Saturday
I'm always curious how these compare to the college  
SwirlingEddie : 2/20/2014 3:52 pm : link
measurements everyone has been going on so far.
Amaro at 265  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2014 3:57 pm : link
Wow. If he runs well...
Wow. Weston Richburg, only 298 pounds.  
Klaatu : 2/20/2014 3:57 pm : link
That's not good.

Ju'Wuan James, 35-inch arms. That is.
I did not expect Jace to weigh in at 265  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 3:59 pm : link
Holy shit...

Also seems like Wesley is tacking on more weight. He's still under 300 but he's getting there.
Same goes for Nicklas  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2014 3:59 pm : link
6'6/270 with really long arms and big hands
Sneakers O'toole : 2/20/2014 4:03 pm : link
will make some team very happy.
Niklas I'm not exactly surprised  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 4:04 pm : link
What I'm more impressed is how well he carries that weight. He's built extremely well.

I was really hoping Ebron would be somewhere in the high 250's. There were rumors that he put on a lot of weight but I guess that wasn't the case
How did Morgan Moses look/measure  
Dunedin81 : 2/20/2014 4:04 pm : link
RE: How did Morgan Moses look/measure  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 4:06 pm : link
In comment 11518366 Dunedin81 said:

6'6, 314, 35 3/8, 9 7/8
No sort of guarantee here...  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2014 4:06 pm : link
But I've been told by someone that knows more than me...that Nicklas is going to score very well movement wise out there.
314 is excellent for Moses.  
Klaatu : 2/20/2014 4:08 pm : link
I figured he'd be around 325, maybe even a little more...maybe even a lot more.
Moses definitely won at weigh ins  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 4:12 pm : link
I have no idea how he looked, but great measurables. I'm pretty sure he carries a ton of bad weight but maybe he lost some of that.
When do they do...  
2ndroundKO : 2/20/2014 4:15 pm : link
WRs? Dying to see Davante Adams...hoping he falls to round 2 and the Giants nab him. Love that guy.
I'm definitely more excited about our 2nd round  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 4:21 pm : link
Than any other round. So many quality players should be there at multiple positions. Niklas, Yankey, Sua'filo, Davante, J Matthews, Verrett, Fuller, etc. A few of those guys should be first round picks but could fall due to size concerns, depth at position, or injury concerns.

Cyril Richardson is a wild card I'm trying to figure out. He got embarrassed at the Senior Bowl.
Blue Blood : 2/20/2014 4:33 pm : link
is the TE i have my eye on now.. huge.. loves to block.. big target..
I like Niklas  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2014 4:46 pm : link
but where do you draft him?

2nd round?
Can the link to the spreadsheet be put in a thread pinned at the top?  
njm : 2/20/2014 4:54 pm : link
I figure it's going to get a lot of views over the next few days.
Brandon Linder is a guy I have my eye for the Giants  
Eric on Li : 2/20/2014 4:59 pm : link
somewhere between the 3rd-5th rounds.

Measured in at 6'6/311/34.5. Started for 3 years straight at G but has also played C and T. High character guy who is going to do well on the wonderlic and will also likely go over 30 reps on the bench press.

He's basically drafting a better version of David Diehl all over again.
RE: Can the link to the spreadsheet be put in a thread pinned at the top?  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2014 5:01 pm : link
In comment 11518510 njm said:
I figure it's going to get a lot of views over the next few days.

Start a thread stating that the link will keep track of all the important combine info and ask for it to be stickied for the duration of the combine. I'm sure Eric or a mod will do that. Title it correctly.
RE: I like Niklas  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 5:08 pm : link
In comment 11518490 pjcas18 said:
but where do you draft him?

2nd round?

I don't think the 2nd round is too rich for him to be honest. He's raw and new to the position, but he still has a high floor. He's a nasty blocker that finishes and has really good hands. I can't see him being worse than a solid two way TE, but he has the potential to be one of the top TEs in the game.
If you're sure that Niklas will be there in the 2nd  
pjcas18 : 2/20/2014 5:10 pm : link
then it changes my approach.

because I'm prepared to draft a TE (Amaro if he runs well or Ebron otherwise) at 12. People underestimate that need and the criticality of TE to the offense - when there isn't a great O-line, a great running game or even a lot of other options on the team.

I'd go CB at 12 and TE in the 2nd, add OL in FA to fill immediate holes, and 3rd round either G/C or DE.
Blue Blood : 2/20/2014 5:11 pm : link
2nd round
I can't see a scenario where Niklas would be taken in the first round  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 5:20 pm : link
But I can't guarantee that he'd be there for us in the 2nd. A really good shot that he is there though.

I think if we're in a position where the top TE is still available for us at #12, Niklas will most certainly be there for us in the 2nd. In such a deep draft, I don't think 4 TE's will be taken between our first and second round pick. I just have my fingers crossed that Austin Seferian-Jenkins will be rated higher than Niklas when all is said and done. That will bode well for us.
I said "top rated TE"  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 5:24 pm : link
Because the jury is still out for that. Jace Amaro weighing in at 265 is a game changer. As Sy alluded to earlier on this thread, him running well at that weight will sky rocket his stock.
Lewan is a tall mofo,  
Motley Blue : 2/20/2014 5:41 pm : link
can he get his ass down consistently enough to maintain sound technique?
Lewan must have lost weight  
CALLAHANfrmCT : 2/20/2014 6:12 pm : link
While training for the combine. He has Left Tackle measurables for sure. Would be happy with him at 12.
Lewan is a piece of shit  
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 6:26 pm : link
I don't know if I'd call Lewan a piece of shit.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 2/20/2014 6:33 pm : link
What I will say is the guy plays with a mean streak. Sometimes the lack of maturity got the best of him. But I would be very happy with a big, strong and pissed off Lewan at #12.
AcidTest : 2/20/2014 6:40 pm : link
are great numbers for Moses. Long arms and a much lower weight than expected. He must have been training pretty hard. He's a borderline first round pick at this point. Would love him at #43, but don't think he'll be there.

Those are also excellent numbers for James. One of him, Moses, or A. Richardson should be available at #43. The kid from Nevada would also be a good option in the third.
Rumor was Reese was gonna select Nate Solder  
drkenneth : 2/20/2014 6:41 pm : link
a few years back. You'd have to think Jerry will take a hard look at 6'7 Lewan. Guys that big are hard to find.
Not if he looks at tape of Lewan  
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 6:45 pm : link
or believes some off field witnesses.
Bold Ruler  
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 6:46 pm : link
he plays with a suck streak. Watch him against ND and MSU. He's a bully off the field and not on it.
When i watched game video of Lewan  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2014 6:47 pm : link
I liked Martin better.
the tape on lewan is good....  
Torrag : 2/20/2014 6:51 pm : link
...if you are referencing game tape. If you're talking about some non starter bar fight that wasn't pursued by the cops....noone cares. he should be on eof our top options @12...if he even lasts til then.
Show me good tape  
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 6:54 pm : link
on Lewan. I haven't seen any. ND and MSU are bad tapes.
Two TE's I'm intrigued to watch  
sjnyfan : 2/20/2014 6:56 pm : link
Baylor's Jordan Najvar and USC's Xavier Grimble. Not rated high but I believe both will have better pro careers than college careers.
If he sucked in game tape why is he rated so high?  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 2/20/2014 6:56 pm : link
From what I saw, I thought he looked like a future starting LT.
Jadevon Clowney  
CALLAHANfrmCT : 2/20/2014 7:03 pm : link
Said Lewan was hands down the toughest O-Lineman he has faced in his entire short-career. Can't find the quote but I'm not making that 1 up.
RE: When i watched game video of Lewan  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 7:05 pm : link
In comment 11518652 robbieballs2003 said:
I liked Martin better.

I know you're not necessarily saying we should go for Martin at 12 (I don't know how you feel on the situation, maybe you are), but it's tough for me to believe in Martin at 12. I liked what I saw from him too, certainly a better prospect than Pugh in my eyes. Its just that I'd prefer the prospect we take at #12 in a deep draft to have all the measurables to be able to succeed at the next level.

The flip side is that if Martin fails at OT, he certainly has the base and body type to be an OG. I never felt that way about Pugh, I thought he lacked the base to be able to be a capable OG so I'm happy Pugh has found a home at OT. But Martin would have to be one hell of an OG to take at #12.
Cyrus Kouandijo  
Superman10 : 2/20/2014 7:07 pm : link
Almost 6'7" 322 lbs, 35.5 inch arms. Very long, physical specimen with room to gain strength. If he moves well, and it looks like he will, he's going to shoot up the draft boards despite last year's inconsistencies. The upside is too big to pass up. Wouldn't mind him on the Giants.

At TE, I'm surprised by Amaro's size. Ebron helped himself by coming in at 250. He didn't look 250 in college. And obviously, Niklas looks like he's going to entice someone to draft him early based on potential.
Am I drunk? Or does Rob Rang  
drkenneth : 2/20/2014 7:10 pm : link
Have Justin Gilbert getting picked twice in the 1st round, and no Lewan at all?
Drunk Rang - ( New Window )
From the tape I've seen on TE's,  
Randy in CT : 2/20/2014 7:11 pm : link
I am less than impressed with any of them at 12. I defer tot hose who watch college ball way more than myself but I just don't see a game-changer there. These guys look solid for sure.
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2014 7:18 pm : link
I think there will be better talent when we pick at 12. I'm one that realizes that there is more than a first round pick to fix your team. Imo, there is no way Reese is going into this draft not having addressed the OL in some way in FA. I have questions about Evans but there is also a lot to like. We need help at TE and I like the top two guys and even Niklas if you consider him in the top three. I like Gilbert and Denard. I know it is not a need but the top two safeties look like studs too. I don't think we go LB but there could be two we look at around 12. I am not a fan of Ealy at DE. There are also some DTs getting very high praise and we don't know what is happening with Joseph. I know we have Jenkins and Hankins but Jenkins might be needed more at DE this year so another DT is crucial. I prefer Jenkins not play DR too often though.
Jim in CO : 2/20/2014 7:22 pm : link
See Lewan projected to the Giants on that link Doc
Martin, Yankey  
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 7:23 pm : link
and Bitonio are the most like the guys we've won 4 SB's with.
Yeah I think a lot of the OL concerns will be addressed  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 7:27 pm : link
via FA. I've said before that I think it's going to be pretty clear who we draft when FA is over because we'll have a glaring need somewhere (example being we let LinJo walk, don't sign a CB, etc.).

I'm not an Ealy fan either, but I'm a big fan on Nix. The injury concerns are valid, but if LinJo walks, I think he's a top candidate. I know it's a rather lazy comparison to compare Nix to Wilfork (330+ black DTs that actually look alike), but I really do see a lot of Wilfork in his game.

I'd prefer for us to address the CB or WR position just because it makes sense from a financial standpoint. You can address OL in FA at a fair price, not so much with premium positions.
We have to hit OL  
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 7:28 pm : link
in FA and the draft. FA for bandages, draft for future core.
RE: We have to hit OL  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 11518708 Phil in LA said:
in FA and the draft. FA for bandages, draft for future core.

Agreed, I was just speaking about not needing to address OL in the first round. We can get a good OL prospect in the 2nd-4th round.
The Matthews/Niklas family  
TheBigBlueOne : 2/20/2014 7:35 pm : link
are genetically blessed.
RE: Brandon Linder is a guy I have my eye for the Giants  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/20/2014 7:38 pm : link
In comment 11518516 Eric on Li said:
somewhere between the 3rd-5th rounds.

Measured in at 6'6/311/34.5. Started for 3 years straight at G but has also played C and T. High character guy who is going to do well on the wonderlic and will also likely go over 30 reps on the bench press.

He's basically drafting a better version of David Diehl all over again.

I'd respectfully disagree with this because I wouldn't touch him until the fifth round. He kicked outside to RT at times last year, but he'd be a major liability at that spot in the pros. He'd compare to Diehl's last 2-3 years here in pass pro as a RT.

Linder will certainly put up a big number in the bench press, though. He posted 36 reps of 225 last January.
Phil in LA : 2/20/2014 7:39 pm : link
that has not been a winning formula for us. In the Couglin era we've drafted one great OL, Chris Snee, in the high second, one really good OL, Justin Pugh in the late middle of 1 and one up and down OL, Will Beatty in the late 2. Everyone drafted thereafter has failed. So I think we have to think about hitting it 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 or worst case, 2 and 3. But I don't think we'll find another Diehl in 5 or another Seubert in UDFA.

I don't mind taking a playmaker at 12, but love the idea of moving down a bit and ending up with 3 picks in the first two rounds, using 2 on OL and 1 on a playmaker.
I'm not saying we should wait till the 5th round  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 7:48 pm : link
But if we took one OL prospect from rounds 2-4 I wouldn't be upset. While I agree the Giants have shit the bed when it comes to drafting OL, I hope they don't have the same line of thinking as you and believe they have to reach for a guy in the first because they don't have enough confidence in themselves to be able to find a good OL prospect in rounds 2-4.

My assumption is that we trim a lot of the fat (cut Snee and Baas), sign a G or a C to a nice contract, draft OL within the first 3 rounds, and have a guy we developed such as Mosley be part of our starting OL.
I'd love two solid  
Randy in CT : 2/20/2014 7:52 pm : link
(not necessarily studs) for the Oline in free agency and then BPA (within reason) at 12 and Oline where applicable the rest of the way where it lines up with value while tending to other areas of concern--WR, TE, etc.
RE: I'd love two solid  
yatqb : 2/20/2014 7:56 pm : link
In comment 11518730 Randy in CT said:
(not necessarily studs) for the Oline in free agency and then BPA (within reason) at 12 and Oline where applicable the rest of the way where it lines up with value while tending to other areas of concern--WR, TE, etc.

Randy, I'd take one FA stud (e.g., Mack), one JAG FA OL, and two relatively high draft picks and feel really good about that. BTW, I haven't given up on Mosley at OG. He had great measurables at the Combine...3-cone, shuttle, etc.
A guy I'm personally hoping we look at is Geoff Schwartz  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 7:59 pm : link
Under 30 years old (28), and I don't think he'll be breaking the bank.
He's actually 27, will be 28 next season though  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/20/2014 8:00 pm : link
But I'm getting off subject here. My point is that I think we'll be able to address OL without going overboard and needing to reach in the draft.
Randy in CT : 2/20/2014 8:01 pm : link
you have more faith in Mosely than I. Let's hope.
Randy, I said I hadn't given up on him. Not that I'd want  
yatqb : 2/20/2014 8:12 pm : link
to count on him as a starter. That's why I want the JAG FA.
sjnyfan : 2/21/2014 8:30 am : link
came in a quarter inch under 6' but over 200 lbs.

Bridgewater 6'2 1/8", 214 lbs.
RE: Manziel  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/21/2014 8:35 am : link
In comment 11519120 sjnyfan said:
came in a quarter inch under 6' but over 200 lbs.

Bridgewater 6'2 1/8", 214 lbs.

Woah, didn't expect Bridgewater to weigh 214. Great news for us. Manziel coming up under 6 feet doesn't bode well for him, hopefully he impresses this weekend.
Polian says Teddy has tiny hands for the position.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/21/2014 8:36 am : link
Mike and Mike this morning. Height less of a concern than hand size.
W A/P - re: Linder  
Eric on Li : 2/21/2014 9:34 am : link
I wouldn't draft him to play T, just saying that he could in a pinch. Diehl was a weird player in that he was never excellent at any position (guard included) but he was able to maintain a similar above average level of play at tackle. In fact I think he was actually a worse guard than tackle at times.

I think Linder has a chance to be a much better interior lineman than Diehl was (more of a true guard) plus the versatility to possibly play center - which he played in HS and a little bit his first few years at Miami.

I guess 3rd round may be early, but 4th or 5th seems very reasonable for a guy with that many starts (also assuming he has a good combine as we both seem to think he will).
Some WR measurements  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/21/2014 10:51 am : link
Clemson's Sammy Watkins - 6'0 3/4", 211 pounds

FSU's Kelvin Benjamin came in at 6'5", 240 pounds and he claims he has just 4% body fat.

Texas A&M's Mike Evans - 6'4 3/4", 231 pounds

USC's Marqise Lee - 5'11 3/4", 192 pounds

LSU's Odell Beckham - 5'11 1/4", 198 pounds

LSU's Jarvis Landry - 5'11 1/2", 204 pounds

Penn State's Allen Robinson - 6'2 5/8", 220 pounds

Clemson's Martavis Bryant - 6'3 1/2", 211 pounds

South Carolina's Bruce Ellington - 5/9 3'8", 197 pounds
That is a big  
pjcas18 : 2/21/2014 10:58 am : link
dude for a WR (Benjamin that is).

Here are some comments on TE from a buddy of mine in an email to me, I've shared his stuff before (in another thread to), but this thread seems good for this discussion too.

Eric Ebron is going to blow up at the Combine this weekend so after that his stock will soar.

Basically wherever you want to draft him, if you think he fits well and you don't love someone more, just go ahead and do it. There shouldn't be any limitations from the standpoint of thinking about some theoretical ceiling about where Ebron should go.

As for Jace Amaro I think the cap on his stock is somewhere in the 1st round. I still haven't quite solidified in my mind whether he's another Tyler Eifert but my gut says not quite, yet a heck of a prospect all the same.

Troy Niklas was severely under-used in the passing game and he's a former defensive lineman so on that front I suppose you can call him undersized. But the guy is a full 6'6" and 270 lbs with long arms and big hands and he carries all that weight VERY easily, moves fluidly with good hips and arm movement, catches the football outside of his frame, jumps well, and he's VERY physical. He's the most physical tight end in the draft and that doesn't just mean blocking. He's got some of the best YAC numbers among the tight ends (it might be THE best, have to check) because of how physical he is.

He's just...a BEAST.

People won't draft him in the 1st round because they will be convinced about the concept of the new age tight end, and Niklas will probably run around the low or mid 4.7's. They'll have a point about the new age of the tight end. But two things about that. With his length and fluid movement, and the way he catches the football outside his frame, there's undiscovered potential lining him up wide and in the slot.

Second, I can't help but watch all of the blocking plays he made in the run game at Notre Dame that practically NONE of the other tight ends made, and that hardly any tight ends in the NFL make, and then I look at how 3 of the final 4 teams in the NFL this year were HARD CORE POWER RUNNING teams...and I think you know what, y'all go ahead and start talking philosophics about prototypes and what's valuable and what's not valuable...I'm going to go win some football games.

Perhaps that's just stubbornness but the NFL is cyclical and everything is about what weapons you have the opportunity to add to your arsenal. A guy like Niklas will not only be a great weapon in the passing game stalking the back of the end zone (click the link below), he'll help you get your ground game going in a big way like Gronk does in NE.


(If the link doesn't bring you straight away to the right spot in the video just scroll over to 9:01 into the video).

4% body fat...  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/21/2014 11:01 am : link
Uh, say what now?

I almost hope he's lying...that's just beyond unnecessary. Kid has hit the genetic lottery.
Good news about Bryant  
sjnyfan : 2/21/2014 11:43 am : link
Clemson listed him at 200 but he wass very slender. I hope that's a good 11 pounds he's added and he can probably put on a few more without sacrificing his exceptional speed.

A few RBs are coming in now:

Carlos Hyde 5'11 7/8", 230 lbs
Jeremy Hill 6'0 5/8", 233 lbs
Kadeem Carey 5'9 3/8", 207
Tre Mason 5'8 1/2", 207
Terrance West 5'9 1/4", 225
Andre Williams 5'11 3/8", 230
Bishop Sankey 5'9 1/2", 209
De'Anthony Thomas 5'8 5/8", 174
Little hesitant  
OC : 2/21/2014 11:48 am : link
About taking a TE at 12 because of what kind of O we'll be using. I'm sure though McAdoo we'll have a big say about going TE or not.
I have a question,  
Doomster : 2/21/2014 12:20 pm : link
when they take their measurements, do they use a folding rule, or a tape measure?
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