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Can Nassib replace Eli

CALLAHANfrmCT : 2/21/2014 10:02 am
One day, in similar fashion as Aaron Rodgers replaced Brett Favre? How many years did Rodgers sit on the bench while being basically groomed for the starting job? Do you want Nassib to replace Eli in 3-4 years?
Nassib will be a FA  
YAJ2112 : 2/21/2014 10:03 am : link
in 3 years.
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arcarsenal : 2/21/2014 10:04 am : link
Nassib and Rodgers were totally different prospects coming out. There's no way of even knowing the answer to this question but my guess is that no, Ryan Nassib will not be the heir apparent to Eli Manning.
No, Ryan Nassib is probably not going to play at Rodgers' level.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/21/2014 10:05 am : link
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chris r : 2/21/2014 10:05 am : link
Who knows?  
Bill in UT : 2/21/2014 10:06 am : link
Can he play? Let's see if they go without a 3rd QB this year. That would be the first positive sign. Assuming they keep him as #2, lol
I can't see Nassib being the heir to Eli  
Jay on the Island : 2/21/2014 10:06 am : link
Had he been drafted next year it would be possible but we have no clue how Nassib is going to progress. It would be awesome if Nassib is the next Rodgers but that is extremely unlikely.
Time will tell  
Headhunter : 2/21/2014 10:13 am : link
I honestly dont know what we have in Nassib. You can't get a read based on last summer, this summer should give us a better idea
We may find out  
OC : 2/21/2014 10:19 am : link
In 2015 if Eli stinks it up again this coming year.
OC, please tell me  
Randy in CT : 2/21/2014 10:21 am : link
that you are aware that Eli being pummeled constantly behind the worst line we've ever fielded, having little time to throw, having receivers not on the same page as him, and Nicks deciding not to really give effort this year, were the biggest contributing factors to Eli's performance, yes?

You aren't one of those guys who sees a RB get stuffed behind the LOS and then swear at the RB right?
Randy  
OC : 2/21/2014 10:28 am : link
I saw what you saw and tell me you don't think Eli was faultless. He needs to step up his own play and hopefully JR gets him the pieces to do so.
Randy  
JoefromPa : 2/21/2014 10:31 am : link
You have been a part of BBI long enough to know that when people here have a perception of a player or a coach, they are not going to allow facts or logic to get in the way of that perception

Eli is a championship quarterback, who must play from a clean pocket. He does not possess the athletic ability to make plays with his feet, or even extend plays very often.

But he is a prototype NFL quarterback that wins. He didn't forget how to play last season. His biggest mistake was continuing to try and make plays, forcing it if you will, instead of protecting his stats.

I understand the fickleness of fans, and the irrational overreaction to bad play. But it is difficult to understand how anyone who know even a little about football, can come to the conclusion that Eli is the problem with this offense.
It's going to be difficult to evaluate any Giant QB if the OL  
DG : 2/21/2014 10:32 am : link
doesn't improve..
You beat on a QB enough,  
Randy in CT : 2/21/2014 10:33 am : link
you have your WRs run to the wrong place and or give up on routes, and I'm thinking that your QB ain't gonna thrive. There's no way to look good in that arena.

Eli is the LEAST of our worries--so this scorned woman syndrome that affects so many here is misdirected.
If he hadn't gone to Syracuse  
HomerJones45 : 2/21/2014 10:34 am : link
no one would even be asking the question. So far, the Hefty Lefty showed more.
Just where  
OC : 2/21/2014 10:39 am : link
Did I say it was Eli's fault? He was just a part of it. TC even said it himself during the year.
Yes, I've been around BBI long enough to know some people read something & put their own spin on it.
Nassib?  
Randy in CT : 2/21/2014 10:40 am : link
We've barely seen a fraction of what we'd need to in order to make any statements about him.
OC  
JoefromPa : 2/21/2014 10:45 am : link
my post wasn't directed towards you, sorry you took it that way. I was responding to Randy's post, which supports what I believed the problem to be this season.

You know there has been plenty of over-reaction to Eli and his poor season on this board this season. I didn't view your post in that light.
The reality is  
Headhunter : 2/21/2014 10:50 am : link
for Eli (I put a ton of blame on the Oline)he has to bounce back next season. If he has a season like last season, then the odds of him reverting back to form in 2015 shrink considerably.
Joe  
OC : 2/21/2014 11:03 am : link
No harm no foul. It's all good.
Headhunter  
OC : 2/21/2014 11:06 am : link
Exactly what I meant.
Please. How could you even mention Nassib in the same  
Victor in CT : 2/21/2014 11:11 am : link
sentence as Aaron Rodgers and Eli Manning?
I just don't understand the hate for Nassib  
oldutican : 2/21/2014 11:28 am : link
Nobody knows how he will turn out, and its not like they used a high pick on him. Someday, Eli will get hurt and investing appropriately in a young back-up makes great sense.
Eli's good  
jLefty : 2/21/2014 11:29 am : link
but more and more we see mobile QB's coming into the league.Pocket guys obviously need great protection. Hope he gets it.
it's not hate, it's logic. In a weak QB draft in a league with  
Victor in CT : 2/21/2014 11:31 am : link
at least 1/2 of the teams desperate for a QB he lasted until the middle of the 4th round. If he was worthy of being considered a starter it stands to reason that one of those 16 teams would have taken him in the first 3 rounds.
Call me crazy  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 11:35 am : link
but I'm not even going to take a QB in my fantasy football draft next year until Ryan Nassib falls into my lap in round 18. $$$ MONEY $$$ I like it.
Reese puts his reputation and job on  
Headhunter : 2/21/2014 11:38 am : link
the line by drafting Nassib. Some anonymous guy on the internet declares him a disaster who if proven wrong will probably just change his handle or fade into oblivion. Why you guys entertain Victor in CT is beyond me
NO.  
old timer : 2/21/2014 11:45 am : link
No no no.
yes.  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 11:47 am : link
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No.  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 11:48 am : link
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maybe  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 11:49 am : link
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Sure,  
Doomster : 2/21/2014 11:51 am : link
anything is possible...

Can I become QB of the NY Giants? Sure, anything is possible....
RE: Reese puts his reputation and job on  
Victor in CT : 2/21/2014 11:54 am : link
In comment 11519534 Headhunter said:
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the line by drafting Nassib. Some anonymous guy on the internet declares him a disaster who if proven wrong will probably just change his handle or fade into oblivion. Why you guys entertain Victor in CT is beyond me


No, I am a Giants fan. I said on draft day that I thought it was a stupid move to take a QB there because they had more pressing needs that could have been addressed with the pick and I stand by it. If somehow he became a solid starting QB for the Giants I'll happily say that he proved me wrong.

As for your stupid statement about changing a handle, that's pretty brave coming from someone hiding behind the name "headhunter".
If we don't get some new Offensive Lineman...  
Jimmy Googs : 2/21/2014 11:55 am : link
then you will get your answer this upcoming season.
Huh?  
Headhunter : 2/21/2014 11:58 am : link
That makes as much sense as anything else you post on Nassib
RE: If we don't get some new Offensive Lineman...  
Victor in CT : 2/21/2014 11:58 am : link
In comment 11519586 Jimmy Googs said:
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then you will get your answer this upcoming season.


good point
Well  
Dodge : 2/21/2014 12:07 pm : link
The better question to ask is if Nassib would be able to be a #2 QB on a roster first.
Awful comparison to Rodgers  
UConn4523 : 2/21/2014 12:07 pm : link
other than they were backups there are zero similarities to the player or situation.
RE: Awful comparison to Rodgers  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 12:11 pm : link
In comment 11519631 UConn4523 said:
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other than they were backups there are zero similarities to the player or situation.


ummm hello? they're both white too.
and...  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 12:12 pm : link
fairly good looking.
I mean  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 12:14 pm : link
they're no Cam, but good looking nonetheless.
My wife went out and The Man has me working today.  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 12:21 pm : link
I can't take a lunch, and there's no food in the fridge except a jar of Mayonnaise. Could somebody bring me a roll and some ham? I'll give you Ryan Nassib in exchange. If you throw in swiss cheese you can have Curtis Painter as well. I've already got the Mayo, as I mentioned earlier.
A little tongue in cheek comment..  
KeoweeFan : 2/21/2014 12:25 pm : link
If we can excuse Eli's bad year on a horrendous OL, how can we say that Nassib "failed to show anything". Did a different, improve line come in with him the few times he got to play in pre-season?
Splacker if you would ..  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 12:27 pm : link
I just want to clarify my earlier comments. When I said good looking, I didn't mean it in a you-know-what way (and there is nothing wrong with that way, it's just not my cup of tea, or glass of beer, or whatever way makes me soud more masculine.) I just mean they have have a certain amount of sex appeal...you know, for the ladies. Thank you.

P.S, I'm sorry, I don't have any lunch meat to spare. If I did, I'd give it to you in a heart beat. It would be Boars Head too...I don't waste my time with that other garbage passed off as meat.
Nassib to replace Eli?  
spu : 2/21/2014 12:30 pm : link
Well that's the plan. Give Eli one more year and then dump his ass for the real QB.



Jon  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 12:33 pm : link
holy shit, what? I don't read all this crap. What did you say earlier? I was just making a joke. That and I need a roll and some ham.
Did you say Boar's Head?  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 12:35 pm : link
You are now #2 on Spackler's top 5 list. 3 more spots still up for grabs folks.
im not comparing rodgers to nassib  
CALLAHANfrmCT : 2/21/2014 12:41 pm : link
I'm just pointing out the Packers drafted a guy who wasn't the highest rated QB coming out, he rode the pine for multiple seasons and he stepped in and won a SB and a MVP, i'm not saying Nassib is capable, no1 can say that, he hasn't played a meaningful snap yet, just saying he can fill in for Eli after his rookie contract is up and maybe he will become the starter. No1 expected Aaron Rodgers to be as good as he is, otherwise he should have started over Favre from day1. Just trying to determine if Eli hangs it up after 3 more seasons, will Nassib be the guy?
CALLAHAN  
Jon from PA : 2/21/2014 12:47 pm : link
jeez dude, if you don't mind, we're trying to get Spackler some damn luch meat so he can eat.

how rude!
don;'t forget the roll.  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 12:55 pm : link
i anit got no bread.
RE: it's not hate, it's logic. In a weak QB draft in a league with  
oldutican : 2/21/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11519509 Victor in CT said:
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at least 1/2 of the teams desperate for a QB he lasted until the middle of the 4th round. If he was worthy of being considered a starter it stands to reason that one of those 16 teams would have taken him in the first 3 rounds.


The same logic would apply to any pick. If no one wanted any player at any position in the first 3 rounds, then he must not be worthy of taking in the 4th.

And please tell about all the great players Reese has taken in the 4th Rd.
Not that far fetched  
AnnapolisMike : 2/21/2014 1:07 pm : link
If the Giants decide not to extend Eli this offseason....The Giants go with just 2 QB's next season...Eli goes down and then Nassib plays well in a backup role.

All of the sudden the Giants have a big decision to make. One we have seen other teams make in the past.

No one here knows if Nassib is really any good...but we are not sure that Eli is still any good either.
Curtis Painter for Swiss cheese?  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 1:16 pm : link
Just one slice? Anybody? Anybody?

I'll settle for American cheese. Please somebody help a brother out.
I'd have to say  
Vegas Steve : 2/21/2014 1:55 pm : link
TC answered that question in the final game of the season when Eli was injuried.

Tom elected to play C. Painter... a person who is not NFL starting quality

The rookie already had 1 full year of watching film and practice. However our HOF coach still lacked enough confidence in him to let him finish the game.

My view is that if Eli, god forbid, gets injuried our season it lost.
Haven't seen enough to know . . . .  
TC : 2/21/2014 2:02 pm : link
what he is or isn't. But I certainly wouldn't compare him to Rodgers.

What frosts my cherries is that this appears to be another developmental QB "value pick" where a decent college QB who needs to develop is taken mainly because he is good value at that point in the draft, but winds up contributing little or nothing to the Giants because:

A. He never develops.

B. Leaves before he has any reasonable expectation of making a substantial contribution.

And the reason I find it galling, is because for each such player taken a player who may not be such a potential high-flyer, but who could be a solid, earlier contributor is NOT taken. The product of such a philosophy can be a team composed of a few gems floating in a sea of crap!
I don't know for certain what this says . . . .  
TC : 2/21/2014 2:08 pm : link
about the Giants' opinion of Nassib to date, but one of the first the draft prospects they met with is Garoppolo. And FWIW, Boylhart considers Garoppolo a first round talent.

Are they shopping? Who knows.
I can't even get a roll  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 2:31 pm : link
nevemind the cheese. What does that say?*





















*derpity derpity derp derp derpity derp.
RE: Haven't seen enough to know . . . .  
Victor in CT : 2/21/2014 2:32 pm : link
In comment 11519980 TC said:
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what he is or isn't. But I certainly wouldn't compare him to Rodgers.

What frosts my cherries is that this appears to be another developmental QB "value pick" where a decent college QB who needs to develop is taken mainly because he is good value at that point in the draft, but winds up contributing little or nothing to the Giants because:

A. He never develops.

B. Leaves before he has any reasonable expectation of making a substantial contribution.

And the reason I find it galling, is because for each such player taken a player who may not be such a potential high-flyer, but who could be a solid, earlier contributor is NOT taken. The product of such a philosophy can be a team composed of a few gems floating in a sea of crap!


Very well said TC. Thank you.
Truth is...  
rocco8112 : 2/21/2014 2:34 pm : link
... no one can replace Eli. The Giants will have another starting QB someday, hopefully a long someday away, but there will never be another Eli.
You're so right..  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 2:53 pm : link
I mean seriously, I wouldn't name my boy Elisha. Life is hard enough without that.
interesting  
mdc1 : 2/21/2014 3:48 pm : link
we are paying Eli insane money and expect him to play another 5 years max, but not sure. Don't you think that Nassib would be irrelevant by then? I do, new coordinator might not have him in plans also. Personally I think they just did the kid and Syracuse a favor but grabbing the guy because he fell and his own coach would not take him. Imagine being successful with a top tier QB, then degrading the position with lower tier talent...Yeah that makes sense.
Jon  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 4:19 pm : link
It's almost dinner time and she's still not home. Do you have any macaroni and cheese or chicken nuggets that you could bring when you swing by with ham?

Thanking you.
Make it happen  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 4:22 pm : link
and you'll be #1.
Huh  
bob in tx : 2/21/2014 4:35 pm : link
?
Nassib is ok  
AnyoneButPhilly : 2/21/2014 4:38 pm : link
But I still think Rhett Bomar is the future of this franchise
Both QB's are learning a new system supposedly  
NYG in NC : 2/21/2014 5:55 pm : link
What if Nassib picks it up faster than Eli and looks better or at least as good running it? It's not likely to happen, but if it does and Eli struggles for the 3rd season in a row, there MAY be an open QB competition in the near future.
sorry bob  
Spackler : 2/21/2014 6:41 pm : link
you're out. I wiped the Spackler top 5 favorite poster slate clean. You have to shake things up once in a while. I've got a new #1 and a new #2. Don't feel so bad or get down on yourself. You're one of the odds on favorites for one of the last 3 spots. I'm hoping you can pull it off.
1 or  
bob in tx : 2/21/2014 7:55 pm : link
nothing. And I had an extra ticket for the Ryder Cup and an open seat on the Gulfstream.
Ben Curtis  
Headhunter : 2/21/2014 8:11 pm : link
sucks Moose balls
no  
blue42 : 2/21/2014 9:40 pm : link
one can replace Eli, they can only hope to mimic him.
Nasib replaing Eli  
Dylan fan : 2/21/2014 11:13 pm : link
Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Yes. No. I don't know. Who knows? Repeat, rinse, start all over again. Sounds like a song. If Nassib's given a reasonable opportunity to pick up a less complex offense this year, we may find out a better answer than WTF knows. Nevertheless, it's pretty unlikely that he can match a 2-time SB MVP considering how extraordinarily rarely that has happened.
yes.. without a doubt.. Nassib will make us all forget Eli..  
Rsspro : 2/22/2014 12:25 am : link
was ever our QB.. people are blinded by the fact that Eli lead two improbable super bow victories and one the MVP both times.. that's simple with the case he had around him..

Nassib would have made both those runs look easier than they had to be.. and one day.. hopefully sooner than later.. you will all see how Nassib is the future.. and should probably even be the present..

:)
note after the above sarcasm..  
Rsspro : 2/22/2014 12:53 am : link
I do like Nassib though.. I think he has the potential to be a starting QB in the NFL.. time will tell.. best thing for him is to just work hard and learn from Eli and the whole Giants staff and organization right now..

he'll get a chance sometime.. whether with our Giants or on another team.. right now he has to do all he can to be ready for that chance.. once again.. time will tell..
RE: it's not hate, it's logic. In a weak QB draft in a league with  
buljos : 2/22/2014 1:09 am : link
In comment 11519509 Victor in CT said:
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at least 1/2 of the teams desperate for a QB he lasted until the middle of the 4th round. If he was worthy of being considered a starter it stands to reason that one of those 16 teams would have taken him in the first 3 rounds.


I wonder how many said the same thing about Brady... if he was worthy of being considered as a good QB, he would have been selected before the 6th round. I'm not saying Nassib's a Brady. I'm saying sometimes these guys are just flat out wrong about QBs... or any player for that matter. Who would have thought teams desperate for a DE would pass on a guy until the 8th round, and he'd go on to be a 4 time All Pro and the Super Bowl XX MVP?
bob  
Spackler : 2/22/2014 6:30 am : link
take back your rightful spot in the number 1. Who ever is #2 and #3 move the hell over. bob is back in town.
I couldn't sleep at all last night Joey.  
Spackler : 2/22/2014 6:43 am : link
Party at Ground Zero

play it boy wonder. hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey.
Sorry, wrong thread again.  
Spackler : 2/22/2014 6:44 am : link
Can you blame me? bob is back.
If that  
BigBlueinDE : 2/22/2014 9:31 am : link
isn't the plan, then why was he drafted? On top of the pick, the Giants traded up to get him so they see something in him.
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