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Raanan NJ.com: Sources: All FA's but Beason on backburner

Defenderdawg : 3/3/2014 10:30 am
Jordan Raananş@JordanRaanan·6 mins
The Giants are working hard on a deal to re-sign LB Jon Beason. Everyone else currently on back burner
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"The Giants are concentrating their efforts on a deal with soon-to-be free-agent linebacker Jon Beason, two people with knowledge of the situation told NJ.com. In the meantime, the remainder of their 21 unrestricted free agents have been put on the backburner.

The Giants have yet to make an official offer to veteran defensive end Justin Tuck and, while still hopeful something can be worked out, are under the impression that defensive tackle Linval Joseph will be too costly to keep. Wide receiver Hakeem Nicks' chances of returning remain "close to zero."

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Joseph  
TMS : 3/3/2014 4:05 pm : link
was the one taking on the double teams and still doing his job last year when we were finally stopping the run. Whats the point of getting a quality player in the draft, developing him and letting him leave. Everyone else on the DL is over the hill or 2nd rate and Hankins is still unproven. Most teams have keepers who are core, we apparently have none. JPP is up next and he has only given us one good year out of three so I guess he leaves next if he wants market value. What BS.
We have waited so long for quality LB...  
Shockwave : 3/3/2014 4:08 pm : link
We cannot let this one go...
The Giants aren't in cap hell...  
Dunedin81 : 3/3/2014 4:15 pm : link
look around in the division and you consistently see teams in cap hell. Reese has made a couple of stupid deals (Beatty was a big-time overpay, Baas has sucked) but by and large we have flexibility year-in and year-out on what was until this year a competitive team, and this with a big-dollar franchise QB. We don't sign the #1 FA on the market, but his cap management on the whole is not bad.
GMan,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2014 4:29 pm : link
I would prefer Beason. DJ would be a contingency just in case
Feel that this team is in a lot of trouble and it may take several  
Rosie Brown HOF75 : 3/3/2014 4:31 pm : link
years to become a quality team again. In my view I would rebuild starting with the Offensive and Defensive Lines and I include a TE as part of the OL. I place a very high value on LJ because of his talent and age. I would think 6-7 million per year is in the market. If cutting Snee could raise the money I would not hesitate. I would also (very painfully) cut Rolle and save 6 million. He's only ours for one more year and I feel we aren't going anywhere in 2014.
Bob
Linval must be asking for a really big payday....  
Torrag : 3/3/2014 4:33 pm : link
...for Beason to be the clearcut priority. He's older and has a somewhat alarming injury history. To me this says Beason is willing to sign for a more reasonable cap number
Yeah, I think your right Torrag...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2014 5:06 pm : link
not that Beason isn't important, but with so little talk (from Reese and media) on LJ, his agent must have leaked out a big number to the Giants.

So focus goes to Beason by default.
i have a feeling this is going to be a depressing offseason  
Neverend : 3/3/2014 5:10 pm : link
seeing superbowl vets being let go, key young talent departing, unable to come to terms with an actually good middle linebacker.

this feels like a rebuilding period. I don't like it, not one bit.
It definitely sucks having so much cap money tied up  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2014 5:21 pm : link
with Eli, Snee, Baas, Kiwi and Beatty. All of which, arguably, had the worst seasons of their careers.

You do realize  
phillygiant : 3/3/2014 5:25 pm : link
That Baas and Snee are going to be restructured
LinJo can be replaced, Beason cannot be.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2014 5:29 pm : link
We'll find a replacement either in the draft or secure some savvy vets to pair with Hankins..Who knows how he'll play once he gets big money..It is very difficult to hold on to young talent in today's NFL. You essentially have them through their initial contract only, growing pains and all, unless you can lock them up earlier, as we did with Tuck in '07...So this, "let's hold on to the younger talent" is no more than useless mantra nowadays. It just doesn't happen a great deal..

Beason is NOT replaceable imo. Why? look how long it took to get a player of his caliber since a young Pierce. And what about before Pierce? Barrow?

Meanwhile we've been able to secure nice DT talent through the years and we will continue to do so, imo..

Savvy vet?  
phillygiant : 3/3/2014 5:33 pm : link
Ummm

What do you call Cullen Jenkins?
It's a lot easier to replace a LB  
BigBlueCane : 3/3/2014 5:33 pm : link
then a DT. Again, don't mistake our ineptness for what the problem is.
GMANinDC  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/3/2014 5:46 pm : link
Beason also ruptured his Achilles and missed an entire season with that. The ACL also required microfracture surgery.
philly giant, ummmm, what?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2014 5:47 pm : link
Jenkins is already on the roster and can swing outside onviously. We'll need more than him. Didn't think I had to mention him. He was already a given..

BBC: the facts are, we have not been able to for one reason or another. None of our standouts, Barrow, Pierce and now Beason were drafted by us, so it's safe to say that we haven't drafted a stud LB since Armstead, he of the 8th round, no less..

So onviously I'm addressing OUR dilemma in that area and the facts FOR US, are that good DTs have been easier to come by than LBs..Far easier
Definition of redundant:  
Doomster : 3/3/2014 5:49 pm : link
Yep, Beason and HIS AGENT have Reese by the balls.
RE: You do realize  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2014 5:50 pm : link
In comment 11537060 phillygiant said:
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That Baas and Snee are going to be restructured


Well its not done so we'll see how that goes. Also, that only fixes some of the problem as there is still going to be wasted dollars as part of the cap and, most importantly, both guys aren't that good anymore.
For the people that want him at all costs...  
Amtoft : 3/3/2014 5:53 pm : link
what is the Max you would pay for him 5, 6, 7, 8 mil a year? 9?

Lets say your limit is 6mil per year which mine would be.. The Raiders offer 7 per... Do you now pay him 7 now... what if they go 7.5 or 8 per... are you still keeping him at all costs because you drafted him?

He is worth, what he is worth, and if he gets over paid the value you think he is you have to let him go.
RE: philly giant, ummmm, what?  
phillygiant : 3/3/2014 5:55 pm : link
In comment 11537099 Big Blue '56 said:
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Jenkins is already on the roster and can swing outside onviously. We'll need more than him. Didn't think I had to mention him. He was already a given..

BBC: the facts are, we have not been able to for one reason or another. None of our standouts, Barrow, Pierce and now Beason were drafted by us, so it's safe to say that we haven't drafted a stud LB since Armstead, he of the 8th round, no less..

So onviously I'm addressing OUR dilemma in that area and the facts FOR US, are that good DTs have been easier to come by than LBs..Far easier



And there is no reason why we couldn't re-sign Patterson who did a nice job last year
Perhaps we will bring Patterson back as well.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2014 5:58 pm : link
My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..
RE: Perhaps we will bring Patterson back as well.  
phillygiant : 3/3/2014 6:04 pm : link
In comment 11537116 Big Blue '56 said:
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My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..


We absolutely agree

This is what we drafted Hankins for.

Year 1 was his "red shirt" year and we did the exact same thing with Joseph and that worked out pretty well

This team has a ton of needs with about 19 mil in cap room....with a large portion of that going towards re-building the o line
And I would LOVE to Keep LinJo, btw  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2014 6:06 pm : link
.
Just because the team has needs doesn't mean they're going to use  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/3/2014 6:11 pm : link
cap space primarily to address it. We needed an offensive line badly in 03-04 too. They didn't spend like crazy to fix it. That's not how this team has ever done business aside maybe from 2009.
JonC  
Rick in Dallas : 3/3/2014 6:21 pm : link
Talking hats down here in Dallas targeting Donald to Cowboys at 16.
If  
AcidTest : 3/3/2014 6:23 pm : link
he goes, and I think he will, draft either DaQuan Jones or Daniel McCullers in the third.
I hope the Giants draft Borland in round 2  
Jay on the Island : 3/3/2014 6:42 pm : link
I like Beason but relying on Herzlich to be the backup to the oft-injured Beason is not a wise decision. Borland could start out at OLB and shift inside if Beason gets injured again.
RE: From Griffin, Cofield, and now Joseph  
AnishPatel : 3/3/2014 6:51 pm : link
In comment 11536674 GMANinDC said:
[quote] the NYG keeps drafting good DT's only to let them walk after their rookie contract..That's a recurring a problem.. [/quote

we drafted LinJO to be that big run stuffing DT. He has produced and has been solid for us. I'd like to re-sign him, and see what a duo of Hankins and LinJo can do.

LinJo is young enough that we can give him 1 big contract and we can even front load it to make it easier as he gets older.
RE: Perhaps we will bring Patterson back as well.  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2014 6:54 pm : link
In comment 11537116 Big Blue '56 said:
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My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..


LJ is replaceable but really only for one year b/c Jenkins and Patterson have a limited shelf-life. And that leaves only Hankins probably as the only decent DT going into 2015.

I don't say break the bank for LJ, but I think going above $5M/year does make sense....relunctantly no higher than $6.5ish or so.

Googs,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2014 7:07 pm : link
that may be exactly the Giants mindset for all we know. We'll give you 6-6 1/2 per. He may think the number is closer to 8. Giants counter with, "see what's out there and get back to us."
RE: Googs,  
AcidTest : 3/3/2014 7:18 pm : link
In comment 11537171 Big Blue '56 said:
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that may be exactly the Giants mindset for all we know. We'll give you 6-6 1/2 per. He may think the number is closer to 8. Giants counter with, "see what's out there and get back to us."


I think it's this. But I also think he'll find a very friendly FA market. There will be lots of teams vying for his services. I also agree with Googs that the real impact of losing Joseph could be felt in 2015. One or both of Patterson and Jenkins won't be with the team after next season. So if Joseph goes, using a second day pick on a DT becomes a top priority, even on a team with a huge number of holes. If you can't stop the run you can't win.
BB'56 - make sense in terms of negotiations...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2014 7:22 pm : link
We shouldn't lead with our highest/best & LJ should reach for a big number. Maybe they meet somewhere reasonably in between after he sees what other teams have in store.

I really do hope LJ stays, but if those news stories last week estimating $8-$9 million/year for his services are correct, then we got to let him walk and deal with who we got left.

Again, my biggest criticism is the Giants should be matching cap dollars to true core players, but they got out of formula.

I would love to keep both and realize it's not always the team's  
Bino5 : 3/3/2014 7:40 pm : link
choice if someone overpays, but a LB is not going to be nearly as good if they do not effectively replace Joseph.
What  
AcidTest : 3/3/2014 7:42 pm : link
works in our favor is that LJ is not a complete DT. What works against us is that what he does, stuff the run, he does extremely well. He's also 25, has a high character, and is injury free. His price will be bid up beyond where I would go, namely 6/36.
If they don't re-sign Joseph...  
Klaatu : 3/3/2014 7:51 pm : link
I hope like hell they look at a kid like Houston's Earl Mitchell. He'll be 27 in September. At 6-3, 308, he's a little out of place as a NT in Houston's 3-4, but he'd do fine in our 4-3. He's never missed a game in four years, although last year was his first as a starter (14 games) and he racked up 48 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
klaatu  
Jay on the Island : 3/3/2014 7:52 pm : link
Rumors are going around that Mitchell is going to be a hot commodity on the free agent market and might get a bigger deal than many expect.
That doesn't surprise me.  
Klaatu : 3/3/2014 8:01 pm : link
There aren't too many talented UFA DTs on the right side of 30 who are hitting the open market this year.
Peeps keep saying we have  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/3/2014 8:01 pm : link
More pressing needs so let LinJo go... Ok so we sign a player to strengthen another position but then DT gets weaker ...

He says he wants to stay and the NYG need him ... Jerry get it done to satisfy both parties
Suppose he says he wants $8 million per year for five or six years?  
Klaatu : 3/3/2014 8:08 pm : link
Would you still want to re-sign him?
I think $8 mill is too much.  
Jimmy Googs : 3/3/2014 8:18 pm : link
I would hope Reese would know what option 2 would cost though so he could comparison shop.
Think next year.  
Rjanyg : 3/3/2014 11:01 pm : link
They are hoping JPP comes back to form and will need $ to pay him. Paying Linval will prevent what it will take to retain JPP. So, ask yourself, do you invest a boat load into a 1 Tech DT or a game changing DE, who is also very young. Patterson can be re-signed to provide depth. I see Reese investing in a young 3 Tech DT in this draft early. Hankins will rotate at the 1. Jenkins the 3. Beason in the middle.

This makes Joseph unaffordable.
rj,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/4/2014 7:56 am : link
excellent post. I forgot about JPP, though that might be when Eli has the "re-do."
56  
Rjanyg : 3/4/2014 8:08 am : link
Thanks. When Reese went DE then DT in 2010, it kept our D line a strength and helped us wint Super Bowl 46, kind of in the same fashion as 42. I guess it's time to reload that D line, that's why I think Reese will be looking for a young pass rusher early in this draft, either inside or outside. My guess is DT and I would think 1st or 2nd round is where one will be selected. The Giants are drafting DL like they Draft WR, almost every year in the top 3 rounds.
JPP is a consideration but  
Jimmy Googs : 3/4/2014 8:10 am : link
based on the performance on the field since that Superbowl, LJ has been the better player (and clearly more durable).

It would be great if he does bounce-back, but if JPP continues to flounder with injuries, I guess Defensive End will become a major need next offseason. But we will have plenty of money to spend...

The Giants don't do well with big contracts for free agent DTs  
WideRight : 3/4/2014 8:14 am : link
Maybe its league wide. Injuries seem to catch up to these guys as soon as they become expensive. The shorter contracts seem to bring in guys who can meet average expectations. we know Joseph won't take a short contract, and there is no upside to locking up an anchor to a DL that has been way below average.
Joseph is Top 20 free agent...  
Dunedin81 : 3/4/2014 8:19 am : link
in a rather weak FA class in which a lot of teams have money to spend and a few teams have A LOT of money to spend.
I can't recall if it was a big contract...  
Klaatu : 3/4/2014 8:26 am : link
But the Giants had good luck with Fred Robbins.
DE is a major need right now.  
kmed : 3/4/2014 8:27 am : link
Upgrade from Tuck and insurance for JPP is very important, IMO.
kmed, that's why I think that Kony Ealy will be in play at 12.  
Klaatu : 3/4/2014 8:34 am : link
He has his detractors here, and that's fine, but I wouldn't dismiss him too quickly.
Klaatu,  
kmed : 3/4/2014 8:42 am : link
I cannot pretend to have a clue about the prospects, but I really hope theres an end available at 12 that we really like. I am so jealous of teams like Carolina that have an awesome Dline that come to play week in and week out. I want that, but it's expensive. That's why drafting ends is so important. They are arguably the most important position on the team(other than QB) and the amount of money FA's get is an example of that.
Wide Right,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/4/2014 9:27 am : link
I'm with you on that. It APPEARS that these big contracts often result in decreased production be it complacency or injury. There are others of course, but Jared Allen, Reggie White, perhaps Peppers are some of the few DL reciving huge bucks that did as well as or better than before signing the FA contract..

Cofield did well, but he hardly signed for the bucks that LinJo may very well get
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