Raanan NJ.com: Sources: All FA's but Beason on backburner

and the contract is reasonable. He brings an attitude and toughness that this team needs.

Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina·2m
I wonder if the Giants get Jon Beason's new deal sewed up soon if that affects the decision to tender Herzlich.

Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina·2m
My take has always been if Beason gets done, Herzlich gets a MQO. If Beason not locked up, then I think MH gets a tender

if he ends up hitting the market.

gotta figure this only helps our cause...

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Now the two sides just have to find middle ground in their negotiations. Beason, who recently parted amicably with agent Drew Rosenhaus, is representing himself in contract talks.

Just a matter of time with Beason. No doubt he's back.

just let him hit fa.

before he hits the open market

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Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina·6 mins
MQO=minimum qualifying offer for those who asked

In comment 11535975 Victor in CT said:

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before he hits the open market

Victor, I think the Giants are resigned to the fact that Joseph is going to test the market, and that the odds are that he's going to find a better deal than they're willing to give him. We'll see.

becoming increasingly clear that Joseph is gone. Big shame, because that creates a big hole, but it looks like we can't afford him. Best wishes to him if he leaves. He's been an excellent Giant.

In FA, I'd be fine with resigning Beason, and getting Gerhert and Schwartz. I'd also like to resign McBride and Thomas if his knee is OK.

In comment 11536000 Klaatu said:

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In comment 11535975 Victor in CT said: Quote: before he hits the open market Victor, I think the Giants are resigned to the fact that Joseph is going to test the market, and that the odds are that he's going to find a better deal than they're willing to give him. We'll see.

It would be a big loss. I hope they can work something out.

DT who has been the lynchpin on the DL against the run. Let's keep letting young, well-performing high draft choices go...that's sure a good way to maintain quality.

If you deem a DT worth a maximum of $6M per and the free market will garner him $7M+, you're stuck letting him go if he so chooses. Cap warrants difficult choices and non-choices.

Really want to see him succeed but let's not start tossing tender money around.

In comment 11536020 JonC said:

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If you deem a DT worth a maximum of $6M per and the free market will garner him $7M+, you're stuck letting him go if he so chooses. Cap warrants difficult choices and non-choices.

Jon, imo you plan for that by not giving some of the vets the money they've gotten when they have underperformed.

It sounds good on paper, but it takes two to paycut tango.

out of the 100 things this team needs to get done.

And if they miss some kind of deadline and we lose Herzlich, then so be it.




BTW - #100 on the "things to get done list" is get the Corey Webster stationary bike refurbished.

Herzlich is really nothing more than a backup at best and a ST guy. If we lose him, so be it. Totally replaceable.

Why not tag linval for the year and then hope to resign next year to long term. This way they can see how Hankins develops

I'll bet the sticking point in the negotiations with Beason is over guaranteed money. I doubt the total dollar amount will be that difficult, but injuries are an issue.

over the next few years. Just depends on structure of the contract.
Unfortunately, other teams will see they have more to spend down the road also and will probably overbid for Joseph.
We're really going to miss him if he leaves.

In comment 11536084 Earl the goat said:

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Why not tag linval for the year and then hope to resign next year to long term. This way they can see how Hankins develops

No way. Its like $9+million.

Didn't realize it was that high. 9 million is too much

I love the kid for his heart, his guts, his tenacity, but the Giants should get another kid in the pipeline who can back up and learn from Beason (assuming he's re-signed). Maybe they have something in the Bradford kid on the PS, or maybe they'll take a flyer on a late-round draft pick/UDFA like Lamin Barrow or Andrew Jackson.

that we don't know in regard to negotiations. If you make the reasonable assumption that the Giants want Linval to return - and I think most of us would agree with that, they've obviously been in conversations with his people.

It's possible that they are insistent on hitting FA and testing the market. It's a reasonable point of view for a guy who's about to make the biggest financial action of his life. This is probably the big one for him and it's his time to maximize. He doesn't know if there's some huge deal lurking out there. Maybe there is. Maybe not. If I were him, I'd want to see though.

Then when FA opens up, he might get a huge offer. He might get an offer in-line with what the Giants have proposed. If it's the latter, which is possible, he may end up returning here.

I'd like to think they do, since it doesn't seem like they're confident that they can re-sign him.

draft picks. Who was the last top 3 draft pick we've signed to an extension? Beatty and Kiwanuka in 8 years. T2 on prove it deals. Granted, much of our high picks have not warranted extension unfortunately, but a guy like LJ should be signed. You can argue about cap all you want, but the Giants have room and the cap is increasing.

Really disappointing to me if they can't make a deal with a young, very productive, "home grown" talent like Joseph. Especially at such a key position.

I hope that Beason is resigned..

Not sure on Joseph. I don't think he's going to garner that type of 7M + offer..

In comment 11536111 Klaatu said:

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I love the kid for his heart, his guts, his tenacity, but the Giants should get another kid in the pipeline who can back up and learn from Beason (assuming he's re-signed). Maybe they have something in the Bradford kid on the PS, or maybe they'll take a flyer on a late-round draft pick/UDFA like Lamin Barrow or Andrew Jackson.

Herz is a good special-teamer on OUR special teams. Unfortunately that doesn't say much, if anything.

We need to invest in another LB even if we keep Beason. Someone that can get on the field on the outside a bit, but can back up Beason in the middle if anything happened.

to do is to let Joseph walk. Too much money for a solid defender. Besides, that's why we drafted Hankins. Not to mention, Joseph was the anchor in 2012 when our run D was abominable. I think the re-emergence of Tuck and the fortifying of the line in free agency, plus Beason, has more to do with why we improved so much in 2013.

In comment 11536039 JonC said:

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It sounds good on paper, but it takes two to paycut tango.

Agreed, Jon. But I think that's where planning comes into play. Letting a vet go, as Philly always seems to do, makes more sense that letting a young core guy go because he costs the going rate.

In comment 11536172 2ndroundKO said:

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to do is to let Joseph walk. Too much money for a solid defender. Besides, that's why we drafted Hankins. Not to mention, Joseph was the anchor in 2012 when our run D was abominable. I think the re-emergence of Tuck and the fortifying of the line in free agency, plus Beason, has more to do with why we improved so much in 2013.

It is the prudent move.

On that we violently agree, Snee and Kiwanuka both being reasonably good examples.

Difficult to determine where to draw that loyalty line, for certain.

He was the only DT who played well. The rest of the D's were terrible..

Beason was and should be the #1 priority in house signing for this team. Glad to hear management feels the same. I'm still very confident it gets done since both sides want it to get done. Giants cannot afford to overpay Joseph, especially when they have a 2nd round pick invested in Hankins, that's part of the reason he was drafted, whereas there is nothing behind Beason...not even close to a replacement for his value and production.

sometimes, you need solid defenders..You don't have to have All-pro guys at each position.

And on Hankins, we don't know what he's going to do. How many other draft picks have the Giants signed and didn't pan out on the DL?..Whose to day that Hankins, just because he got drafted, can do what Joseph does.

We don't even know what the market is going to bear for him but we fans are already letting him walk..

This is like the cruz situation last year..

by restructuring guys like Baas and not cutting ties with people like Snee earlier on. If Joseph goes and Hankins can't step up, this D will look worse. I don't like losing guys on an upward trajectory just because our GM couldn't find a passable mlb for years or decided to gamble on guys who to a lot of people were on the downside. I trust Reese more generally, but that trust has certainly eroded these past two years. This was not a 7-9 team. We're much much closer to 4-12 than to 8-8 quality wise.

BBIers may also be off(perhaps way off) on the market value of LinJo..I recall how many felt Bradshaw would get offered big bucks to bolt and yet we were(apparently) the only bidders for his services and signed him to a very good deal(for us) imo..

So while many predict a 6-8 mill per windfall and sizeable bonus for LinJo, I wouldn't be surprised if he signed(hopefully here) for less that what has been predicted

Exactly!..This is the case with every off-season. BBI predicts a much higher market for players and then the player signs for equal or less value..

Not saying Hankins in Austin, but we made the same move signing Austin the 2nd round to back up Cofield and that didn't turn out goo either..

or have we've been going though this we let Cornelius Griffin go?

Want to know what has happened to the GIANTS? Ben nailed it. No continuity with guys that should have been building blocks going forward.

And I agree with yatqb. They should find a way to keep Joseph even if it means parting ways with other underperforming veterans - like they are doing with CWeb and Myers and will do with several others like Rivers, Herzlich, Murphy, Painter, etc.

LinJo is a very solid player. A DT group of LinJo, Jenkins, Hankinson, and Patterson if they can afford him would be excellent, especially given the ability of Jenkins to slide outside. And there's still Kuhn if they can't afford Patterson.

Churning players at various positions doesn't build a team, it just provides work for agents.

This is what bothers me most about Reese, not his recent poor drafts.

is good for the Giants. An agent, especially Rosenhaus would already have potential suitors lined up to bid for him. No agent leads me to believe Beason was very sincere about his desire to stay with the Giants.

SOmeone referenced Tuck's remmergence. It was nice to se Tuck reemerge with a strong final few games. 4 sacks against a crippled RG3 and a pathetic redskins line inflated his numbers. While Joseph was the acnhor of the D-line in 2012, the LB's were invisible. The DT is not suppsoed to make all the stops, just funnel the ball carriers to LB who then make the tackle. Didn't happen.

If Joseph is gone, who replaces him long term? Our drafts in the first rounds since the Super Bowl in 2007:

2008 Kenny Phillips (Injured but a one contract guy)
2009 Hakeem Nicks (Injured but productive early, appears to be a one contract guy)

2010 JPP - Amazing season in 2011, injured since. Future?
2011 Prince - Jury is out, appears solid as a number 2 corner

2012 - Wilson - Injured or fumbling...thus far a bust
2013 - Pugh - If our theory is build through draft, we are failing at the top. IMO

Beason is going nowhere.

Question is how much does our top-dollar underperforming QB contribute to that situation?
Also agree with Red Dog about importance of keeping Linval, but the trade-off is probably more than your list of scrubs.

All of the guys you mentioned battled injuries... some of them... (Phillips and Wilson) serious ones. Phillips was on the brink of being all world before his injury and came back to be a solid contributor. Nicks, for two years was arguably one of the best receivers in the league... Don't know where his head is at.. But certainly has suffered injuries. Prince, also suffered injuries but is certainly more than a #2 corner. When they've been good, all of the aforementioned picks have been excellent... We've had some bad luck with injuries, but our staff hasn't wiffed on talent in the first two rounds...

Each and every player on that list has at times showcased why they were drafted where they were... Unfortunately in a sport where one play can end a season or take a toll on a few seasons or in some cases a career, we've had some bad luck.

Our staff has done an excellent job in the first 2 rounds...can't blame Jerry & co for the bad luck of injury or the fact they can't resign players....

Sign EDS or De La Puente and Asamoah, draft Donald and Corey Fuller with first two picks?

DTs on the market this year though Joseph's age makes him very attractive. Among others there is Starks,melton,Hatcher,Soliai,Kevin Williams,BJ Raji,Vance walker & Tony McDonald.

he's awfully small and outside the NYG paradigm.

Dallas at # 16.

see how you can let 25-year old 2nd round draft picks who can actually play well get away, especially when you are blowing so many other picks.

I agree with Red Dog.

Is that the local chatter? Surprising, Dallas tends to like huge DTs as well.

I get it - but is "playing well" enough for the kind of money he is going to command?


Is he truly a dominant player? Do teams have to game plan for him?

Hate to see him go but given their present state - I can see why it's probably going to happen.

Unless Joseph is going to command some monster deal on the open market (I think some people think he's going to get more than he actually is), it is a mistake to not retain him IMO.

Can all of these players be placed in one offseason? YEAH LETS MOVE ON WITH ONE OF OUR BEST, RARE HOME GROWN PLAYERS.

UGH!!!!

If Linval wants his money then let him get it somewhere else. It's not feasible to keep all of the talent that you produce. This happens to every team. They drafted Hankins in the second for a reason. This is why we complain when the young kids don't get a chance to fail/succeed. We should have seen more out of Hankins and Moore last year to get an understanding of what we have instead of playing guys like Tuck. At some point you need to trust your scouting department and let the young kids take over.

Do I want to lose Joseph? No, but it isn't like he is a great two way DT. He is great at stopping the run. There is no doubt about it but our DL just cannot get pressure. I think a lot of this falls on Fewell but if he is going to stay then we cannot overpay for run stuffers. I think Joseph is capable of more but we still have Hankins and Jenkins on the inside as starting points.

you believe his UFA will fetch an over-sized contract relative to what you're willing to pay. If he doesn't want to sign a compromise deal earlier than that, there isn't much you can do except tag him or wait it out.

Cap league, can't pay everyone top dollar.

the NYG keeps drafting good DT's only to let them walk after their rookie contract..That's a recurring a problem..

Of all the positions - DT is probably the spot they can best recover from losing a quality player.

Jenkins, Patterson played well. Hankins will get better and played ok last year. Kuhn was playing solid in the rotation before he got hurt and that was with a much weaker DT rotation.

Hate to see him go, but there are other major needs and not a ton of money

doesn't necessarily equate to top UFA dollar.

I'd heard speculation at one point that NYG viewed him as a $4-5M per season DT. If that's true, then $6M is looking like top dollar to NYG.

But, with limited $$ and plenty of teams having money to spend... You have to prioritize... Linval will get top dollar. Given the fact that we have depth at DT, it's a matter of not only being unable to afford him, but having more pressing needs elsewhere.

Certainly there is more pressing need for this team in other areas than DT.

If the O-Line wasn't a mess and Randle showed a little more... I think Linval sticks no question. But LB is a huge issue for this team, hence the focus on retaining Beason and the big FA $ is going to have to go to get value on the OL.

You also have to trust that you're going to continue to draft good quality DLine talent... with Moore and Hankins growing into prominent roles next year.

In comment 11536638 Eric from BBI said:

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see how you can let 25-year old 2nd round draft picks who can actually play well get away, especially when you are blowing so many other picks. I agree with Red Dog.

ditto

have Reese by the balls. His heart & mind is sure to follow. There are no existing, viable fall-back positions. I would be surprised if Beason gets to 3-11 without a deal. All it takes is the whir of 2 fax machines with a couple of signatures & he can be a free agent at 00:30 on the 11th. He probably wouldn't go that quickly but Reese can't let his galvanizing force on the D walk away. Joseph times it right. Unlike Nicks he played hard in his walk year. We wish him the very best except when he plays the Giants

In comment 11536703 RetroJint said:

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have Reese by the balls. His heart & mind is sure to follow. There are no existing, viable fall-back positions. I would be surprised if Beason gets to 3-11 without a deal. All it takes is the whir of 2 fax machines with a couple of signatures & he can be a free agent at 00:30 on the 11th. He probably wouldn't go that quickly but Reese can't let his galvanizing force on the D walk away. Joseph times it right. Unlike Nicks he played hard in his walk year. We wish him the very best except when he plays the Giants

Yep, Beason and HIS AGENT have Reese by the balls.

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being retro.

Is lost, they are not doing a good job at all now. Between Reese being incompetent, and Coughlin being too loyal, the organization is getting screwed. You let Joseph walk, and the top priority is a one dimentional middle linebacker who is always injured and was healthy for the first time in a long time. Plus we are once again going to try and see if Snee can play guard! Anyone with any hope of seeing a good team next season better rethink that thought, this thing is broke and is being screwed on both ends. Reese simply put is a bad GM.

has paid out twice thus far, their analysis needs tweaking.

They've churned out 3 above-average starting quality NFL DTs over the past decade and the position remains a revolving door, they they have also applied large free agent dollars and draft picks to the position.

Something isn't right.

You can say it's a organizational decision not to pay DTs big money, but then explain the Chris Canty contract. Joseph and Cofield were, in my estimation, better players who left or are leaving for likely less money than we paid Canty.

Baas is going to cost us Joseph and they have to hope Hankins is half as good. I suspect they will be disappointed.

Just confirms the crap job Reese has done with the cap. Restructuring kiwi and Bass with cap hits of 7.5 and 9 for this upcoming season are reasons why a valuable player like Joseph can't be retained.

was excellent last year when he was in there. Looking forward to seeing what he can do when given the full load.

a 1 technic DT is not high on the Giants....for the cost.

Beason would be nice....

who else signs? Reese gave impression several people were signing before FA

by the Giants, then why did they draft him in the 2nd round? It's not like the draft is often flooded with quality, capable 1-tech tackles. They're paid a lot because they're hard to get a hold of.

and if so, will they wait until they see what transpires before FA begins with Beason. DJ has already met with the Titans and Broncos and is scheduled next for the Dolphins

I would guess that if Jackson already met with 2 teams and going to the Dolphins, then the money he is looking for probably isn't there..

I don't think we'll get into a bidding war over a LB..It's better to just sign Beason..

since when..The only games he missed is from the ACL..

was the one taking on the double teams and still doing his job last year when we were finally stopping the run. Whats the point of getting a quality player in the draft, developing him and letting him leave. Everyone else on the DL is over the hill or 2nd rate and Hankins is still unproven. Most teams have keepers who are core, we apparently have none. JPP is up next and he has only given us one good year out of three so I guess he leaves next if he wants market value. What BS.

We cannot let this one go...

look around in the division and you consistently see teams in cap hell. Reese has made a couple of stupid deals (Beatty was a big-time overpay, Baas has sucked) but by and large we have flexibility year-in and year-out on what was until this year a competitive team, and this with a big-dollar franchise QB. We don't sign the #1 FA on the market, but his cap management on the whole is not bad.

I would prefer Beason. DJ would be a contingency just in case

years to become a quality team again. In my view I would rebuild starting with the Offensive and Defensive Lines and I include a TE as part of the OL. I place a very high value on LJ because of his talent and age. I would think 6-7 million per year is in the market. If cutting Snee could raise the money I would not hesitate. I would also (very painfully) cut Rolle and save 6 million. He's only ours for one more year and I feel we aren't going anywhere in 2014.
Bob

...for Beason to be the clearcut priority. He's older and has a somewhat alarming injury history. To me this says Beason is willing to sign for a more reasonable cap number

not that Beason isn't important, but with so little talk (from Reese and media) on LJ, his agent must have leaked out a big number to the Giants.

So focus goes to Beason by default.

seeing superbowl vets being let go, key young talent departing, unable to come to terms with an actually good middle linebacker.

this feels like a rebuilding period. I don't like it, not one bit.

with Eli, Snee, Baas, Kiwi and Beatty. All of which, arguably, had the worst seasons of their careers.

That Baas and Snee are going to be restructured

We'll find a replacement either in the draft or secure some savvy vets to pair with Hankins..Who knows how he'll play once he gets big money..It is very difficult to hold on to young talent in today's NFL. You essentially have them through their initial contract only, growing pains and all, unless you can lock them up earlier, as we did with Tuck in '07...So this, "let's hold on to the younger talent" is no more than useless mantra nowadays. It just doesn't happen a great deal..

Beason is NOT replaceable imo. Why? look how long it took to get a player of his caliber since a young Pierce. And what about before Pierce? Barrow?

Meanwhile we've been able to secure nice DT talent through the years and we will continue to do so, imo..

Ummm

What do you call Cullen Jenkins?

then a DT. Again, don't mistake our ineptness for what the problem is.

Beason also ruptured his Achilles and missed an entire season with that. The ACL also required microfracture surgery.

Jenkins is already on the roster and can swing outside onviously. We'll need more than him. Didn't think I had to mention him. He was already a given..

BBC: the facts are, we have not been able to for one reason or another. None of our standouts, Barrow, Pierce and now Beason were drafted by us, so it's safe to say that we haven't drafted a stud LB since Armstead, he of the 8th round, no less..

So onviously I'm addressing OUR dilemma in that area and the facts FOR US, are that good DTs have been easier to come by than LBs..Far easier

Yep, Beason and HIS AGENT have Reese by the balls.

In comment 11537060 phillygiant said:

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That Baas and Snee are going to be restructured

Well its not done so we'll see how that goes. Also, that only fixes some of the problem as there is still going to be wasted dollars as part of the cap and, most importantly, both guys aren't that good anymore.

what is the Max you would pay for him 5, 6, 7, 8 mil a year? 9?

Lets say your limit is 6mil per year which mine would be.. The Raiders offer 7 per... Do you now pay him 7 now... what if they go 7.5 or 8 per... are you still keeping him at all costs because you drafted him?

He is worth, what he is worth, and if he gets over paid the value you think he is you have to let him go.

In comment 11537099 Big Blue '56 said:

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Jenkins is already on the roster and can swing outside onviously. We'll need more than him. Didn't think I had to mention him. He was already a given.. BBC: the facts are, we have not been able to for one reason or another. None of our standouts, Barrow, Pierce and now Beason were drafted by us, so it's safe to say that we haven't drafted a stud LB since Armstead, he of the 8th round, no less.. So onviously I'm addressing OUR dilemma in that area and the facts FOR US, are that good DTs have been easier to come by than LBs..Far easier

And there is no reason why we couldn't re-sign Patterson who did a nice job last year

My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..

In comment 11537116 Big Blue '56 said:

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My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..

We absolutely agree

This is what we drafted Hankins for.

Year 1 was his "red shirt" year and we did the exact same thing with Joseph and that worked out pretty well

This team has a ton of needs with about 19 mil in cap room....with a large portion of that going towards re-building the o line

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cap space primarily to address it. We needed an offensive line badly in 03-04 too. They didn't spend like crazy to fix it. That's not how this team has ever done business aside maybe from 2009.

Talking hats down here in Dallas targeting Donald to Cowboys at 16.

he goes, and I think he will, draft either DaQuan Jones or Daniel McCullers in the third.

I like Beason but relying on Herzlich to be the backup to the oft-injured Beason is not a wise decision. Borland could start out at OLB and shift inside if Beason gets injured again.

In comment 11536674 GMANinDC said:
[quote] the NYG keeps drafting good DT's only to let them walk after their rookie contract..That's a recurring a problem.. [/quote

we drafted LinJO to be that big run stuffing DT. He has produced and has been solid for us. I'd like to re-sign him, and see what a duo of Hankins and LinJo can do.

LinJo is young enough that we can give him 1 big contract and we can even front load it to make it easier as he gets older.

In comment 11537116 Big Blue '56 said:

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My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..

LJ is replaceable but really only for one year b/c Jenkins and Patterson have a limited shelf-life. And that leaves only Hankins probably as the only decent DT going into 2015.

I don't say break the bank for LJ, but I think going above $5M/year does make sense....relunctantly no higher than $6.5ish or so.

that may be exactly the Giants mindset for all we know. We'll give you 6-6 1/2 per. He may think the number is closer to 8. Giants counter with, "see what's out there and get back to us."

In comment 11537171 Big Blue '56 said:

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that may be exactly the Giants mindset for all we know. We'll give you 6-6 1/2 per. He may think the number is closer to 8. Giants counter with, "see what's out there and get back to us."

I think it's this. But I also think he'll find a very friendly FA market. There will be lots of teams vying for his services. I also agree with Googs that the real impact of losing Joseph could be felt in 2015. One or both of Patterson and Jenkins won't be with the team after next season. So if Joseph goes, using a second day pick on a DT becomes a top priority, even on a team with a huge number of holes. If you can't stop the run you can't win.

We shouldn't lead with our highest/best & LJ should reach for a big number. Maybe they meet somewhere reasonably in between after he sees what other teams have in store.

I really do hope LJ stays, but if those news stories last week estimating $8-$9 million/year for his services are correct, then we got to let him walk and deal with who we got left.

Again, my biggest criticism is the Giants should be matching cap dollars to true core players, but they got out of formula.

choice if someone overpays, but a LB is not going to be nearly as good if they do not effectively replace Joseph.

works in our favor is that LJ is not a complete DT. What works against us is that what he does, stuff the run, he does extremely well. He's also 25, has a high character, and is injury free. His price will be bid up beyond where I would go, namely 6/36.

I hope like hell they look at a kid like Houston's Earl Mitchell. He'll be 27 in September. At 6-3, 308, he's a little out of place as a NT in Houston's 3-4, but he'd do fine in our 4-3. He's never missed a game in four years, although last year was his first as a starter (14 games) and he racked up 48 tackles and 1.5 sacks.

Rumors are going around that Mitchell is going to be a hot commodity on the free agent market and might get a bigger deal than many expect.

There aren't too many talented UFA DTs on the right side of 30 who are hitting the open market this year.

More pressing needs so let LinJo go... Ok so we sign a player to strengthen another position but then DT gets weaker ...

He says he wants to stay and the NYG need him ... Jerry get it done to satisfy both parties

Would you still want to re-sign him?

I would hope Reese would know what option 2 would cost though so he could comparison shop.

They are hoping JPP comes back to form and will need $ to pay him. Paying Linval will prevent what it will take to retain JPP. So, ask yourself, do you invest a boat load into a 1 Tech DT or a game changing DE, who is also very young. Patterson can be re-signed to provide depth. I see Reese investing in a young 3 Tech DT in this draft early. Hankins will rotate at the 1. Jenkins the 3. Beason in the middle.

This makes Joseph unaffordable.

excellent post. I forgot about JPP, though that might be when Eli has the "re-do."

Thanks. When Reese went DE then DT in 2010, it kept our D line a strength and helped us wint Super Bowl 46, kind of in the same fashion as 42. I guess it's time to reload that D line, that's why I think Reese will be looking for a young pass rusher early in this draft, either inside or outside. My guess is DT and I would think 1st or 2nd round is where one will be selected. The Giants are drafting DL like they Draft WR, almost every year in the top 3 rounds.

based on the performance on the field since that Superbowl, LJ has been the better player (and clearly more durable).

It would be great if he does bounce-back, but if JPP continues to flounder with injuries, I guess Defensive End will become a major need next offseason. But we will have plenty of money to spend...

Maybe its league wide. Injuries seem to catch up to these guys as soon as they become expensive. The shorter contracts seem to bring in guys who can meet average expectations. we know Joseph won't take a short contract, and there is no upside to locking up an anchor to a DL that has been way below average.

in a rather weak FA class in which a lot of teams have money to spend and a few teams have A LOT of money to spend.

But the Giants had good luck with Fred Robbins.

Upgrade from Tuck and insurance for JPP is very important, IMO.

He has his detractors here, and that's fine, but I wouldn't dismiss him too quickly.

I cannot pretend to have a clue about the prospects, but I really hope theres an end available at 12 that we really like. I am so jealous of teams like Carolina that have an awesome Dline that come to play week in and week out. I want that, but it's expensive. That's why drafting ends is so important. They are arguably the most important position on the team(other than QB) and the amount of money FA's get is an example of that.

I'm with you on that. It APPEARS that these big contracts often result in decreased production be it complacency or injury. There are others of course, but Jared Allen, Reggie White, perhaps Peppers are some of the few DL reciving huge bucks that did as well as or better than before signing the FA contract..

Cofield did well, but he hardly signed for the bucks that LinJo may very well get