Raanan NJ.com: Sources: All FA's but Beason on backburner

DTs on the market this year though Joseph's age makes him very attractive. Among others there is Starks,melton,Hatcher,Soliai,Kevin Williams,BJ Raji,Vance walker & Tony McDonald.

he's awfully small and outside the NYG paradigm.

Dallas at # 16.

see how you can let 25-year old 2nd round draft picks who can actually play well get away, especially when you are blowing so many other picks.

I agree with Red Dog.

Is that the local chatter? Surprising, Dallas tends to like huge DTs as well.

I get it - but is "playing well" enough for the kind of money he is going to command?


Is he truly a dominant player? Do teams have to game plan for him?

Hate to see him go but given their present state - I can see why it's probably going to happen.

Unless Joseph is going to command some monster deal on the open market (I think some people think he's going to get more than he actually is), it is a mistake to not retain him IMO.

Can all of these players be placed in one offseason? YEAH LETS MOVE ON WITH ONE OF OUR BEST, RARE HOME GROWN PLAYERS.

UGH!!!!

If Linval wants his money then let him get it somewhere else. It's not feasible to keep all of the talent that you produce. This happens to every team. They drafted Hankins in the second for a reason. This is why we complain when the young kids don't get a chance to fail/succeed. We should have seen more out of Hankins and Moore last year to get an understanding of what we have instead of playing guys like Tuck. At some point you need to trust your scouting department and let the young kids take over.

Do I want to lose Joseph? No, but it isn't like he is a great two way DT. He is great at stopping the run. There is no doubt about it but our DL just cannot get pressure. I think a lot of this falls on Fewell but if he is going to stay then we cannot overpay for run stuffers. I think Joseph is capable of more but we still have Hankins and Jenkins on the inside as starting points.

you believe his UFA will fetch an over-sized contract relative to what you're willing to pay. If he doesn't want to sign a compromise deal earlier than that, there isn't much you can do except tag him or wait it out.

Cap league, can't pay everyone top dollar.

the NYG keeps drafting good DT's only to let them walk after their rookie contract..That's a recurring a problem..

Of all the positions - DT is probably the spot they can best recover from losing a quality player.

Jenkins, Patterson played well. Hankins will get better and played ok last year. Kuhn was playing solid in the rotation before he got hurt and that was with a much weaker DT rotation.

Hate to see him go, but there are other major needs and not a ton of money

doesn't necessarily equate to top UFA dollar.

I'd heard speculation at one point that NYG viewed him as a $4-5M per season DT. If that's true, then $6M is looking like top dollar to NYG.

But, with limited $$ and plenty of teams having money to spend... You have to prioritize... Linval will get top dollar. Given the fact that we have depth at DT, it's a matter of not only being unable to afford him, but having more pressing needs elsewhere.

Certainly there is more pressing need for this team in other areas than DT.

If the O-Line wasn't a mess and Randle showed a little more... I think Linval sticks no question. But LB is a huge issue for this team, hence the focus on retaining Beason and the big FA $ is going to have to go to get value on the OL.

You also have to trust that you're going to continue to draft good quality DLine talent... with Moore and Hankins growing into prominent roles next year.

In comment 11536638 Eric from BBI said:

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see how you can let 25-year old 2nd round draft picks who can actually play well get away, especially when you are blowing so many other picks. I agree with Red Dog.

ditto

have Reese by the balls. His heart & mind is sure to follow. There are no existing, viable fall-back positions. I would be surprised if Beason gets to 3-11 without a deal. All it takes is the whir of 2 fax machines with a couple of signatures & he can be a free agent at 00:30 on the 11th. He probably wouldn't go that quickly but Reese can't let his galvanizing force on the D walk away. Joseph times it right. Unlike Nicks he played hard in his walk year. We wish him the very best except when he plays the Giants

In comment 11536703 RetroJint said:

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have Reese by the balls. His heart & mind is sure to follow. There are no existing, viable fall-back positions. I would be surprised if Beason gets to 3-11 without a deal. All it takes is the whir of 2 fax machines with a couple of signatures & he can be a free agent at 00:30 on the 11th. He probably wouldn't go that quickly but Reese can't let his galvanizing force on the D walk away. Joseph times it right. Unlike Nicks he played hard in his walk year. We wish him the very best except when he plays the Giants

Yep, Beason and HIS AGENT have Reese by the balls.

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being retro.

Is lost, they are not doing a good job at all now. Between Reese being incompetent, and Coughlin being too loyal, the organization is getting screwed. You let Joseph walk, and the top priority is a one dimentional middle linebacker who is always injured and was healthy for the first time in a long time. Plus we are once again going to try and see if Snee can play guard! Anyone with any hope of seeing a good team next season better rethink that thought, this thing is broke and is being screwed on both ends. Reese simply put is a bad GM.

has paid out twice thus far, their analysis needs tweaking.

They've churned out 3 above-average starting quality NFL DTs over the past decade and the position remains a revolving door, they they have also applied large free agent dollars and draft picks to the position.

Something isn't right.

You can say it's a organizational decision not to pay DTs big money, but then explain the Chris Canty contract. Joseph and Cofield were, in my estimation, better players who left or are leaving for likely less money than we paid Canty.

Baas is going to cost us Joseph and they have to hope Hankins is half as good. I suspect they will be disappointed.

Just confirms the crap job Reese has done with the cap. Restructuring kiwi and Bass with cap hits of 7.5 and 9 for this upcoming season are reasons why a valuable player like Joseph can't be retained.

was excellent last year when he was in there. Looking forward to seeing what he can do when given the full load.

a 1 technic DT is not high on the Giants....for the cost.

Beason would be nice....

who else signs? Reese gave impression several people were signing before FA

by the Giants, then why did they draft him in the 2nd round? It's not like the draft is often flooded with quality, capable 1-tech tackles. They're paid a lot because they're hard to get a hold of.

and if so, will they wait until they see what transpires before FA begins with Beason. DJ has already met with the Titans and Broncos and is scheduled next for the Dolphins

I would guess that if Jackson already met with 2 teams and going to the Dolphins, then the money he is looking for probably isn't there..

I don't think we'll get into a bidding war over a LB..It's better to just sign Beason..

since when..The only games he missed is from the ACL..

was the one taking on the double teams and still doing his job last year when we were finally stopping the run. Whats the point of getting a quality player in the draft, developing him and letting him leave. Everyone else on the DL is over the hill or 2nd rate and Hankins is still unproven. Most teams have keepers who are core, we apparently have none. JPP is up next and he has only given us one good year out of three so I guess he leaves next if he wants market value. What BS.

We cannot let this one go...

look around in the division and you consistently see teams in cap hell. Reese has made a couple of stupid deals (Beatty was a big-time overpay, Baas has sucked) but by and large we have flexibility year-in and year-out on what was until this year a competitive team, and this with a big-dollar franchise QB. We don't sign the #1 FA on the market, but his cap management on the whole is not bad.

I would prefer Beason. DJ would be a contingency just in case

years to become a quality team again. In my view I would rebuild starting with the Offensive and Defensive Lines and I include a TE as part of the OL. I place a very high value on LJ because of his talent and age. I would think 6-7 million per year is in the market. If cutting Snee could raise the money I would not hesitate. I would also (very painfully) cut Rolle and save 6 million. He's only ours for one more year and I feel we aren't going anywhere in 2014.
Bob

...for Beason to be the clearcut priority. He's older and has a somewhat alarming injury history. To me this says Beason is willing to sign for a more reasonable cap number

not that Beason isn't important, but with so little talk (from Reese and media) on LJ, his agent must have leaked out a big number to the Giants.

So focus goes to Beason by default.

seeing superbowl vets being let go, key young talent departing, unable to come to terms with an actually good middle linebacker.

this feels like a rebuilding period. I don't like it, not one bit.

with Eli, Snee, Baas, Kiwi and Beatty. All of which, arguably, had the worst seasons of their careers.

That Baas and Snee are going to be restructured

We'll find a replacement either in the draft or secure some savvy vets to pair with Hankins..Who knows how he'll play once he gets big money..It is very difficult to hold on to young talent in today's NFL. You essentially have them through their initial contract only, growing pains and all, unless you can lock them up earlier, as we did with Tuck in '07...So this, "let's hold on to the younger talent" is no more than useless mantra nowadays. It just doesn't happen a great deal..

Beason is NOT replaceable imo. Why? look how long it took to get a player of his caliber since a young Pierce. And what about before Pierce? Barrow?

Meanwhile we've been able to secure nice DT talent through the years and we will continue to do so, imo..

Ummm

What do you call Cullen Jenkins?

then a DT. Again, don't mistake our ineptness for what the problem is.

Beason also ruptured his Achilles and missed an entire season with that. The ACL also required microfracture surgery.

Jenkins is already on the roster and can swing outside onviously. We'll need more than him. Didn't think I had to mention him. He was already a given..

BBC: the facts are, we have not been able to for one reason or another. None of our standouts, Barrow, Pierce and now Beason were drafted by us, so it's safe to say that we haven't drafted a stud LB since Armstead, he of the 8th round, no less..

So onviously I'm addressing OUR dilemma in that area and the facts FOR US, are that good DTs have been easier to come by than LBs..Far easier

Yep, Beason and HIS AGENT have Reese by the balls.

In comment 11537060 phillygiant said:

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That Baas and Snee are going to be restructured

Well its not done so we'll see how that goes. Also, that only fixes some of the problem as there is still going to be wasted dollars as part of the cap and, most importantly, both guys aren't that good anymore.

what is the Max you would pay for him 5, 6, 7, 8 mil a year? 9?

Lets say your limit is 6mil per year which mine would be.. The Raiders offer 7 per... Do you now pay him 7 now... what if they go 7.5 or 8 per... are you still keeping him at all costs because you drafted him?

He is worth, what he is worth, and if he gets over paid the value you think he is you have to let him go.

In comment 11537099 Big Blue '56 said:

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Jenkins is already on the roster and can swing outside onviously. We'll need more than him. Didn't think I had to mention him. He was already a given.. BBC: the facts are, we have not been able to for one reason or another. None of our standouts, Barrow, Pierce and now Beason were drafted by us, so it's safe to say that we haven't drafted a stud LB since Armstead, he of the 8th round, no less.. So onviously I'm addressing OUR dilemma in that area and the facts FOR US, are that good DTs have been easier to come by than LBs..Far easier

And there is no reason why we couldn't re-sign Patterson who did a nice job last year

My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..

In comment 11537116 Big Blue '56 said:

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My original and main point was that LinJo should not be as irreplaceable as some have said or inferred..

We absolutely agree

This is what we drafted Hankins for.

Year 1 was his "red shirt" year and we did the exact same thing with Joseph and that worked out pretty well

This team has a ton of needs with about 19 mil in cap room....with a large portion of that going towards re-building the o line