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Anthony Barr starting to pop up on Giant Mocks

Headhunter : 3/8/2014 10:09 am
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Another DE/LB tweener  
Giantology : 3/8/2014 10:12 am : link
Those have worked out so well for us
I  
AcidTest : 3/8/2014 10:13 am : link
wait for the year when every mock drafter doesn't have us picking a LB in the first round. If it isn't Barr, it's Mosley. One year we will do it, but I'd be stunned if it happened this time.
disgusting  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 10:17 am : link
Not a system fit at all. Only LB that should make us pause is Mack. He could be better than Willis and a perfect in any system due to elite versatility in his skill set.
Barr's a 3-4 OLB  
JonC : 3/8/2014 10:18 am : link
he's not going to be on our radar.
Don't think he'd be my top choice.  
Andy in Halifax : 3/8/2014 10:22 am : link
But he's a tough guy to figure out. He's only played defense the last 2 years - but he actually looked significantly better in his first year to me. He looks like a great fit in a Pitt style 3-4, but I don't think he can play 4-3 DE.

Very disappointing (to me) in that Stanford game.
Steelers @ 15.  
Overseer : 3/8/2014 10:22 am : link
Not that anyone should be upset if the Giants select the right LB. I'd be giddy if Mack fell.
RE: Steelers @ 15.  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 10:31 am : link
In comment 11544449 Overseer said:
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Not that anyone should be upset if the Giants select the right LB. I'd be giddy if Mack fell.


I'd pass up almost anyone in this draft for Mack. And I am usually not big on first round LBs either for our system. He is that special IMO.
what specifically makes him NOT a system fit  
Blue Blood : 3/8/2014 10:32 am : link
apparently he can rush the passer.. so what prevents him from being a 4-3 weakside linebacker?
4-3 WILLs are speedy, athletic, have COD and lateral movement  
JonC : 3/8/2014 10:37 am : link
abilities, need to play well in space and in coverage, need to read the play in front of them.

Barr is a downhill small space player, point him at the QB and unleash.
I've changed my one official "throw the remote" pick  
nyynyg : 3/8/2014 10:42 am : link
I do not want to go near this guy. I agree with JonC, he is not a system fit. And to make this be the guy we finally use a first round pick for a LB would be wrong on many levels.

So, I've officially moved from Evans to Barr and the guy I do not want hearing his name called.
Pass rusher isn't really a core skill for a 4-3 WILL btw  
JonC : 3/8/2014 10:47 am : link
It's for 3-4 OLBs, you put them on the end of the line and unleash, in basic terms.

I've heard he's got a suspect attitude as well, some question the heart and motor, fwiw.
Giants wont draft Barr  
Blue Blood : 3/8/2014 10:49 am : link
cause he is a linebacker.. and we dont draft them in round one..
I think Mack  
Sammo284 : 3/8/2014 10:52 am : link
is the only talent that might give Reese and his scouting team pause to consider at #12, but it's sounding like Mack is close to being a lock in the Top 10.

Don't understand this either  
ghost718 : 3/8/2014 11:10 am : link
There is a linebacker who fits the Giants in this draft,and it isn't Anthony Barr.It's the one who can play all 3 spots in the 4-3,run with tight ends and backs,and hits like a ton of bricks.

Question is does Jerry Reese have the guts to take him.
RE: Don't understand this either  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 11:15 am : link
In comment 11544511 ghost718 said:
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There is a linebacker who fits the Giants in this draft,and it isn't Anthony Barr.It's the one who can play all 3 spots in the 4-3,run with tight ends and backs,and hits like a ton of bricks.

Question is does Jerry Reese have the guts to take him.


If Mack is there I think we run to the podium. He is a rare gamechanger at LB and would team up with a healthy JPP to give us 2 of the best defensive players who can also provide pass rush in the NFL IMO
Some of youzzzzz...  
M.S. : 3/8/2014 11:15 am : link

...better start on your Valium therapy now, because there's a real decent chance Anthony Barr hears his name called at #12.

And then take a deep breath.

And then wait two years and watch him become a holy terror at OLB in a 4-3!
Why even bother talking about Mack at 12?  
M.S. : 3/8/2014 11:18 am : link

The Giants won't be playing fantasy draft in May. They gotta focus on the players who are likely to be there FOR THEM!

And Khalil Mack ain't one of them.
the Giants have the ability  
Doomster : 3/8/2014 11:29 am : link
to draft 3-4 linebackers, and install them into their system....they can't freakin' play, but the Giants still try....
Boylhart think he is a perfect fit for the Giants to replace Tuck etc  
TMS : 3/8/2014 11:32 am : link
BOTTOM LINE
Anthony reminds me a lot of the Giants Mathias Kiwanuka. The Giants drafted Mathias and made him a linebacker because they couldn’t get him on the field as a defensive end, because of his size and work out numbers. Mathias also lacks the lateral agility to cover and string out running plays to his side of the defense and has become a solid player, but never the impact player he would have become if they used him as a defensive end in their 4-3 defense. The same thing will happen if teams decide to use Anthony as a linebacker. In coverage it will be easy to separate from Anthony and tight ends will take advantage in third and short situations. Anthony has natural pass rushing skills to impact right away, and in the future the ability to be stout against the run as a defensive end in a 4-3 defense where his lack of lateral agility becomes less of an issue. A player that plays defensive end in a 4-3 defense relies more on taking correct angles, strength, and turning plays inside so linebackers can make the tackle. Lateral agility is not needed to be an excellent defensive end in a 4-3 defense. I really like Anthony’s potential to be an impact player at the next level but not in a 3-4 defense that everyone seems to feel he is a perfect fit for just because that’s what he plays in college. In that defense, I think he becomes a solid player but not an impact player. But as a weakside pass rushing demon in a 4-3 defense…to me that’s the position he was born to play and make an impact in. Now I know I will be the lone wolf howling in the wind suggesting Anthony fits a defensive system better than the system he is playing at the college level. But what can I say? That’s how I see it.

Drew Boylhart
We all know the Giants love stockpiling DE's  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 11:40 am : link
And will go for them in the draft early and often. If the Giants feel he has GARGANTUAN upside as a DE or DE/LB hybrid pass rusher then I could see this.

The Titans after missing out on JPP though, I think pluck him at 11.

Some of you guys have to stop pigeonhole analysis  
PeterS : 3/8/2014 11:42 am : link
of players. Why can't Barr be developed into a hybrid DE/OLB?
I don't think Barr's big enough to be a fulltime DE  
JonC : 3/8/2014 11:45 am : link
and recent NYG attempts to develop a "hybrid" have proven unfruitful. PF's system doesn't really utilize OLBs very well, and his schemes tend to be pretty regular on the DL, further.

It depends on where you think he's best deployed, I don't think it's 4-3 DE or OLB. He looks like a 3-4 OLB in the 49er/Steelers/D-Ware mold to me.
Speaking of DL  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 11:45 am : link
BOTTOM LINE
Anyone who has been involved in a Category 4 hurricane understands how steady, relentless and continuous those winds are until the damage is done. Aaron is continuous, relentless, and just keeps pounding away at the offensive line until he does the same structural damage a Category 4 hurricane does to your house. Just when you think you have him under control and he might be calming down, Hurricane Aaron comes at you with just a little bit more power, quickness and force and rips though your backfield to complete the structural damage to your offense and make an impact play. He will make a quarterback scream “Can’t anyone block this guy?” in the huddle at the offensive linemen. Aaron has remarkable mental stamina. Aaron is a package of thunder in the middle of a hurricane and a force to be reckoned with for every offensive coordinator. You can use him on the inside or the outside on your defensive line. You can use him in a 4-3 defenses or 3-4 defense, in a 1-gap or 2-gap system. You can use him on the nose on passing downs. Hurricane Aaron will have to be accounted for or he will cause structural damage to your offense…you catch my drift? That’s the weather report for today.

There is going to be ALOT of dominant potential at 12, which is why you don't tkae Zack Martin.
Excerpt on Boylhart on Aaron Donald  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 11:46 am : link
This draft really is loaded
TMS  
Jerry from Maine : 3/8/2014 11:47 am : link
Well said... A pick I wouldn't complain about... I still feel the O'line needs more attention... lets see how the draft and a couple of free agents address that issue
no  
spike : 3/8/2014 11:51 am : link
BPA i think is the way to go in this draft.

They have too many holes to fill.
MS...highly touted players fall all the time  
Overseer : 3/8/2014 11:53 am : link
for any number of reasons (a run on QBs, dumb picks by the Raiders). Patrick Willis was creamed over prior to the 07 draft and he fell to 11.

Mack probably won't be there (Bills or Tampa Bay), but it is definitely not outside the realm of possibility.
RE: Speaking of DL  
section125 : 3/8/2014 11:55 am : link
In comment 11544551 GmenDynasty said:
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BOTTOM LINE
There is going to be ALOT of dominant potential at 12, which is why you don't take Zack Martin.


Because a player that projects to be better than Justin Pugh and makes Eli safer in the pocket isn't an impact player? He just lets the real impact players (Eli, VC, Rueben Randle, etc) have chance to make an impact.
like Martin alot actually  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 11:58 am : link
But there is quite likely going to be some potential dominant playmakers sitting pretty waiting to be plcked out of thin air @12.

Sorry unless it is for an absolute blue goose stud LT (Lewan maybe) , you don't pass that up for a Zack Martin.

Further in about 1 week we may see our drastic need for OL drop a bit as we are likely to be quite aggressive in FA.
IMO...  
Wonderphil11 : 3/8/2014 12:15 pm : link
the top "blue chip" tier of this draft is (in no particular order):

Clowney
Mack
Watkins
Matthews
Robinson
Donald

Next tier:

Evans
Ebron
Lewan
Gilbert
Fuller
Barr

If any player from that top tier is available at 12, the Giants should jump at them regardless of position or need (with the possible exception of a QB needy team but even that's debatable with these QB's as I feel there's too many questions on all of them). I think once you get beyond that first tier you can factor in need a bit more.
I wouldn't ever put any credence into  
barens : 3/8/2014 12:16 pm : link
Who mock drafts have us taking. They are fun to read, but even if 20 mocks have us taking the same person, it is totally meaningless.
RE: like Martin alot actually  
section125 : 3/8/2014 12:21 pm : link
In comment 11544562 GmenDynasty said:
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Further in about 1 week we may see our drastic need for OL drop a bit as we are likely to be quite aggressive in FA.


That is true. Pick up a decent FA guard, and/or center and things become manageable on the O Line.
RE: IMO...  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 12:29 pm : link
In comment 11544592 Wonderphil11 said:
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the top "blue chip" tier of this draft is (in no particular order):

Clowney
Mack
Watkins
Matthews
Robinson
Donald

Next tier:

Evans
Ebron
Lewan
Gilbert
Fuller
Barr

If any player from that top tier is available at 12, the Giants should jump at them regardless of position or need (with the possible exception of a QB needy team but even that's debatable with these QB's as I feel there's too many questions on all of them). I think once you get beyond that first tier you can factor in need a bit more.


Barr might be there for 4-3 teams if they feel he can hold up and rush at DE at his size.
I know it doesn't mean anything  
Big Rick in FL : 3/8/2014 2:09 pm : link
But his 3 cone was a 6.82 which is pretty darn good for a RB let alone somebody his size.
RE: I know it doesn't mean anything  
GmenDynasty : 3/8/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 11544760 Big Rick in FL said:
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But his 3 cone was a 6.82 which is pretty darn good for a RB let alone somebody his size.


Love the 3 cone time for a guy his height and size. And also to dominate the way he did so quickly after just converting to the position is a very good sign as well.

If the Giants feel he can play DE in our system , he could be on the short list. I just think the Giants like a little more size on their DEs if they are going to pick them round 1.
If it makes everyone feel better  
hoopy3 : 3/8/2014 4:57 pm : link
Anthony Barr actually is taller and weighed in more at the combine than Damontre Moore who was drafted as a DE. Considering he weighed in at 255, there is no reason to think he can't play in the pros at 260-265 which is not a bad weight for a DE. I would still draft Donald over him unless we keep Linvall Joseph.
it's not simply a matter of size  
JonC : 3/8/2014 5:13 pm : link
it's just one component, you have to know what you're seeing when you evaluate a player within the context of his college system, and how he would project to an NFL system, etc.
The key to me is best fit  
JonC : 3/8/2014 5:29 pm : link
He's more similar to D Ware than he is to Kiwanuka, imv. If NYG thinks he's best suited to 4-3 DE in the NFL, so be it, they certainly know more than me. Well, I said similar things about Sintim and they drafted him any way.
RE: Barr's a 3-4 OLB  
buljos : 3/8/2014 6:28 pm : link
In comment 11544443 JonC said:
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he's not going to be on our radar.


Exactly. We don't need another 3-4 LB to convert, especially one who's still learning how to be a LB after being a RB two seasons ago. Here's a mock quote: "No Thank You Please" - Jon Beason
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