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Hakeem Nicks might accept a one year deal

Defenderdawg : 3/8/2014 4:59 pm
Probably too late but...

@RVacchianoNYDN: The idea that Hakeem Nicks would accept a one-year, prove-it deal could be big. It could even make a return to the Giants plausible. #NYG

@RVacchianoNYDN: Interestingly, that @mortreport story says Nicks is "willing to weigh a 1-year contract to prove his past 2 seasons were aberrations" #NYG

@RVacchianoNYDN: According to @mortreport, Hakeem Nicks' agents are sending teams doctors notes saying he's finally over his foot/knee injuiries.
If this is coming from his camp  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/8/2014 5:01 pm : link
he must not be hearing good things on the market.
NFL.com link  
Defenderdawg : 3/8/2014 5:01 pm : link
"Nicks has circulated letters to all 32 teams from the esteemed Dr. Robert Anderson and Dr. James Andrews, indicating that previous foot and knee surgeries should not inhibit the wide receiver's performance in 2014, reports ESPN's Chris Mortensen."
Link - ( New Window )
Reports about his attitude this season aren't encouraging,  
Mad Mike : 3/8/2014 5:02 pm : link
but presumably he wants to earn a long-term payday and would show up if he's playing on a one year deal. I'd be happy with him back under those circumstances.
No one should give him a big long term deal  
RobCarpenter : 3/8/2014 5:05 pm : link
He's done zip the past two years and apparently his work ethic in games has been questioned.
I would be all for Nicks coming back on a 1 year deal  
Jay on the Island : 3/8/2014 5:06 pm : link
similar to the one Maclin signed with Philly.
RE: Reports about his attitude this season aren't encouraging,  
hoopy3 : 3/8/2014 5:06 pm : link
In comment 11544883 Mad Mike said:
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but presumably he wants to earn a long-term payday and would show up if he's playing on a one year deal. I'd be happy with him back under those circumstances.


You would think he would have showed up considering it was the last year of his current deal. Normally "contract year" performances are good.
Didn't he have that  
Simms11 : 3/8/2014 5:08 pm : link
Opportunity, to prove himself, last year ?! Instead he chose to play things safe?! Will you see more of the same with a 1 year deal?
I do not want to lose Nicks  
Jints in Carolina : 3/8/2014 5:11 pm : link
.
I love nicks but  
rdt288 : 3/8/2014 5:18 pm : link
Have to wonder if TC would even have him back at any contract price.

TC is loyal to a fault but it goes both ways with him. If you cross TC or don't give effort he believes you can give, I could see him turning his back on nicks.

We won't know full story but something happened and I feel TC is done w nicks.
Yes  
Buck Dharma : 3/8/2014 5:18 pm : link
I'd hate to lose a WR who failed to score a touchdown last season and dogged it in practice and regular season games.
Mighty nice of him  
old man : 3/8/2014 5:20 pm : link
to consider a 1 yr prove it. Score as much as he can from the Giants, have a nice-to-big yr relative to a rebuild team, then say screw you, adios.
Remember he is rep'd by Jz now, who might play games with the team w/a big HN yr, but a biz decision yr for VC where VC already has a multi yr and can return to form in 15. Yes I do not trist the Roc, Nation.
Also see Simms11.
Nicks will be motivated to play and can only help us  
Jints in Carolina : 3/8/2014 5:22 pm : link
one less damn thing to worry about with regards to the draft....last year was last year. Let's see what he can do if we can sign him for one year.
Let's move on.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/8/2014 5:22 pm : link
We need to re-sign JPP after next year. So Nicks has a big year then leaves?

As a fan, I'm into adios
Or maybe he really was  
section125 : 3/8/2014 5:26 pm : link
hurt all year like JM said; the dogging it aside - which may have been frustration at being hurt and not being able to produce.....
I told you  
SBlue46 : 3/8/2014 5:26 pm : link
he aint getting a big deal...I wouldnt take him
for 1 year when we can get cheap wr in draft or FA
that has speed. He will only leave next year and we have
to train someone else. I think our practice squad players
have more upside and JJ needs to play..



I doubt Coughlin wants Nicks back  
Buck Dharma : 3/8/2014 5:26 pm : link
.
RE: Let's move on.  
Klaatu : 3/8/2014 5:28 pm : link
In comment 11544908 Big Blue '56 said:
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We need to re-sign JPP after next year. So Nicks has a big year then leaves?

As a fan, I'm into adios


Wow. When you've lost Big Blue '56, you've lost Middle America.
RE: Let's move on.  
Jints in Carolina : 3/8/2014 5:28 pm : link
In comment 11544908 Big Blue '56 said:
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We need to re-sign JPP after next year. So Nicks has a big year then leaves?

As a fan, I'm into adios


Nicks having a big year means the Giants may have a big year...I'm down with that.
So he  
Pete in MD : 3/8/2014 5:28 pm : link
finally realized that dogging it in your contract year doesn't get you a big contact? You had one year to prove it last year, Hicks!
Nicks really hurt himself this year  
HomerJones45 : 3/8/2014 5:29 pm : link
If you were in a position to write a large check, would you want to write a large check for a WR with a history of foot problems and take the chance he might make a "business decision" during the season?

He's a gamble at this point and his offers are going to be made accordingly.
Wait. He's got a doctor's note?  
MOOPS : 3/8/2014 5:40 pm : link
Sign him up immediately.
Bye..  
rocco8112 : 3/8/2014 5:42 pm : link
...bye. Let some other team take the risk
I would consider a one year  
Steve in South Jersey : 3/8/2014 5:45 pm : link
contact with performance incentives. Even if he has a great year I would not give him a long term deal next year. I don't trust him not to disappear once a long term deal is signed.
I'm very down for a 1 year deal.  
Giantology : 3/8/2014 5:46 pm : link
Hakeem Nicks is a top WR when he's healthy and his head is in the game.
I'm curious to see the price.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 3/8/2014 5:48 pm : link
With the way the past year has played out he is probably going to have a monster 2014 season wherever he lands.
Obvious reason  
Spock : 3/8/2014 5:53 pm : link
No one wants to pay him big bucks.
Keep  
Phil in LA : 3/8/2014 5:53 pm : link
him.
K,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/8/2014 5:55 pm : link
You know me. If this regime decides to keep him, they'll have my full support. As a fan, no..As a team player, go for it
A very good thing  
Earl the goat : 3/8/2014 5:59 pm : link
1. We won't need to spend a draft pick on receiver
2. Mcadoo just might rejuvenate his career

Couldn't be happier now. We may get back to being one of the better receiving corps in the league. Especially if Reese nabs Ebron with first pick
Jints in carolina  
Earl the goat : 3/8/2014 6:01 pm : link
I disagree. Only because the cap will increase next year and then in 2016 to possibly 160 million
One year deal..  
Blue Blood : 3/8/2014 6:03 pm : link
Sure why not.. if its fair.. and if he proves he is worth it then its could work out for both parties.. Mara did clearly mention that Nicks was injured last year..
God NO!!  
ZogZerg : 3/8/2014 6:05 pm : link
Look what he did last year on a prove it year
RE: K,  
Klaatu : 3/8/2014 6:12 pm : link
In comment 11544955 Big Blue '56 said:
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You know me. If this regime decides to keep him, they'll have my full support. As a fan, no..As a team player, go for it


Your loyalty to the current regime knows no bounds.

I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head.
NYG would still have to draft a WR  
Buck Dharma : 3/8/2014 6:12 pm : link
even if Nicks is retained on a 1 year deal. He'll almost certainly be too expensive to keep on a long term deal if he has a good season in 2014.
The Giants haven't found a replacement for Mario  
Headhunter : 3/8/2014 6:16 pm : link
Manningham, and to have to also replace Nicks the same time? Brilliant!
Agree  
AcidTest : 3/8/2014 6:18 pm : link
with Buck Dharma and the others who say no. Even if he's healthy, a big if, his attitude is poor. I wish him the best. He helped us win a SB. But it's best for everyone to part ways. He can get a one year "prove it" deal elsewhere.
Teams must be talking one year deals or even worse multi-year deals  
wgenesis123 : 3/8/2014 6:18 pm : link
with only prove it money. No matter what the reason or excuse Nicks has failed himself in a big way.
One year deal  
noro9 : 3/8/2014 6:19 pm : link
With who? Not the Giants. He quit last year. He should never wear Giants blue again.
I call as I see it.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/8/2014 6:22 pm : link
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..I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head...


If he could help bring 2 SBs every 6 years, you betcha!
Strong draft  
TMS : 3/8/2014 6:23 pm : link
for WRs. Rather one of those to work with than a one year rental of Nicks. Next year we will have to deal with resigning JPP. Do not need the grief again with Nicks. He will take snaps from our other WRs. Time to move on. Besides this will be new offense so his expierience will not help as much. Do not think he is a #1 WR candidate anymore.
Butter fingers nicks  
muhajir : 3/8/2014 6:24 pm : link
For a 1 yr deal sure. Best case he'll regain form, worst case he'll be great depth.
Draft a WR  
Buck Dharma : 3/8/2014 6:25 pm : link
Cruz should be able to make the transition to lining up on the outside with Jernigan in the slot and hope that this is the year that Randle has a breakout season, he has flashed.
No one knows for sure whether....  
Reb8thVA : 3/8/2014 6:27 pm : link
Nicks burnt any bridges with the team or not. However, a one year deal providing that it is reasonable might not be a bad thing. You know you will have a motivated player and if he has a stellar season yo can franchise him or sign him to a longer contract. The cap might again increase and you have only JPP and Rolle coming due next year. You don't know about JPP and you might have greater flexibility next year
I would like this  
Randy in CT : 3/8/2014 6:28 pm : link
especially if I were privy to the medical and other info the Giants have. LOVE the Nicks when he's 100%.
You know guys,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/8/2014 6:29 pm : link
His one year deal would not necessarily be with us..
vet minimum incentive laden  
DaveFromNewMexico : 3/8/2014 6:29 pm : link
All for it
Big Blue '56  
Buck Dharma : 3/8/2014 6:30 pm : link
It probably won't be.
...  
christian : 3/8/2014 6:34 pm : link
Nicks on a one year deal is outstanding. He can prove himself in a new system with presumably good health. Treat next year like it was supposed to be last year. At a minimum an outstanding year for Nicks equates to a better comp pick.
Nicks is my favorite Giants  
Big Rick in FL : 3/8/2014 6:40 pm : link
player ever. Would love to see him back to prove he is the great WR we saw a few years ago. If he can do that I wouldn't care if we gave him bigger money then Cruz. When he was fully healthy he was unreal. It really is so sad that a guy who could have been the best WR in our teams history has been killed by injuries.
YES!!!!!!!  
Neverend : 3/8/2014 6:47 pm : link
NICKS COME BACK HOME!
How about a game by game deal?  
PatersonPlank : 3/8/2014 6:50 pm : link
Last year he didn't do too well on a "prove it over a year" basis
Question  
bc4life : 3/8/2014 6:57 pm : link
Can he stay healthy for the duration of the season? He isn't getting injured intentionally and he seems to have had a significant injury pretty much every season he has played.

But, there are so many holes - if it makes sense financially, maybe signing him allows the wr fix one more year.

But, do his reps get in the way of Randle and Jernigan's development. And, who knows maybe the Giants do want to draft Evans?
PPlank  
Big Rick in FL : 3/8/2014 6:58 pm : link
Nicks was terrible last year, but so was the whole team. Hopefully we would be improved this year and get a fully healthy Nicks back. If McAdoo's offense is anything like Green Bays Ithink Nicks would really thrive as long as the Oline wasn't complete shit.
RE: I call as I see it.  
Klaatu : 3/8/2014 7:00 pm : link
In comment 11545019 Big Blue '56 said:
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..I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head...



If he could help bring 2 SBs every 6 years, you betcha!


"Help" being the operative word. It's not like EA had anything to do with the 2007 team, although I admit that JR's rookies played a big part down the stretch.

And in the "I'd rather be lucky than good" dept., JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM.
RE: Let's move on.  
AnishPatel : 3/8/2014 7:01 pm : link
In comment 11544908 Big Blue '56 said:
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We need to re-sign JPP after next year. So Nicks has a big year then leaves?

As a fan, I'm into adios



I agree. He hasn't been doing much last couple years. Injuries and OL are an issue as well which contributed to that.

But let's move on and draft another X and see how RR does if we don't draft an X.
I don't think this changes anything about Nicks' status ...  
Boy Cord : 3/8/2014 7:04 pm : link
... with the Giants. If anything, more teams will be interested. If I was the GM of a solid team that needs WR help (NE, Balt, Det, etc.), I would start putting a deal together. Nicks could be a difference maker. Imagine if he returns to 2010 and 2011? Holy crap. That would be one hell of a one-year rental.





Would love a one year deal.  
BGaff : 3/8/2014 7:05 pm : link
We have enough issues on offense to also have to replace Nicks with our limited cap room.

Everyone loves Victor, but no one seems to remember that he had 1 TD after Week 1 last year. When your offense line is atrocious everyone suffers.
RE: RE: I call as I see it.  
Boy Cord : 3/8/2014 7:07 pm : link
In comment 11545070 Klaatu said:
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In comment 11545019 Big Blue '56 said:


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..I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head...



If he could help bring 2 SBs every 6 years, you betcha!



"Help" being the operative word. It's not like EA had anything to do with the 2007 team, although I admit that JR's rookies played a big part down the stretch.

And in the "I'd rather be lucky than good" dept., JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM.



It was primarily about Eli Manning and a defense that got hot. From a management standpoint it was definitely more Coughlin than Reese.
RE: NFL.com link  
mrvax : 3/8/2014 7:17 pm : link
In comment 11544882 Defenderdawg said:
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"Nicks has circulated letters to all 32 teams from the esteemed Dr. Robert Anderson and Dr. James Andrews, indicating that previous foot and knee surgeries should not inhibit the wide receiver's performance in 2014, and had nothing to do with his horrific 2013 performance, reports ESPN's Chris Mortensen." Link - ( New Window )


Fixed.
Signed,  
Klaatu : 3/8/2014 7:20 pm : link
Epstein's mother.
RE: Signed,  
mrvax : 3/8/2014 7:28 pm : link
In comment 11545094 Klaatu said:
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Epstein's mother.


LOL

After the shit Nicks did last year, I wouldn't piss down his throat if his guts were on fire.
Some of you really are the sports fan equivalent of an abused  
Riggies : 3/8/2014 7:40 pm : link
spouse.

Nicks just had a chance to ball out for a big contract and instead he dogged it in both his preparation and game performance (not to be confused with just having a bad year like others did). If he's stupid enough to do that, when he already had a ton of questions to answer after 2012, he's sure as hell is a major risk to do it again, especially if he can pick up ~$5M or so as a cushion this season like Maclin got.

2009-2011 were nice, but time to move on from this dude.
.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/8/2014 7:41 pm : link
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...JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM...


You mean like Belichick was fortunate Bledsoe hurt his ribs and Brady took over? That kind of fortunate?

I really hate when that card is played. Championships are always about good fortune
Would definitely do  
bob in tx : 3/8/2014 7:44 pm : link
it. This is the deepest draft in many years so NYG saves spending a top 3 pick on a WR and fills another hole instead.
Pass  
Sammo284 : 3/8/2014 7:45 pm : link
We are moving on with a new OC.
I want to move on from Nicks  
Mr. Nickels : 3/8/2014 7:59 pm : link
but I am down for a 1 year deal to allow him to re-establish his value.

It's a win win. A monster Nicks year as some have said could equal a monster Giants year. Gives Randle one more year to develop and takes WR off the needs list in round 1 at least.
3 guys on PS  
SBlue46 : 3/8/2014 8:00 pm : link
Are better...need do get rid of
Dead weight..new offense....
RE: .  
chris r : 3/8/2014 8:02 pm : link
In comment 11545110 Big Blue '56 said:
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Quote:


...JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM...



You mean like Belichick was fortunate Bledsoe hurt his ribs and Brady took over? That kind of fortunate?

I really hate when that card is played. Championships are always about good fortune


Are you ever not defensive when it comes to the Giants organization?
Amazing to me that people think Nicks dogged it last year...  
baadbill : 3/8/2014 8:08 pm : link
His poor performance isn't because his head wasn't into the game ... his failure to catch a single TD pass in a contract year was for one reason and one reason only ... he's never come back from his injury ... imo he played at full strength last year (i.e. that is all you will ever see from him again) ... sure, he dogged some plays but I think that was more because he realized he isn't ever going to be the same player he once was

How else can anyone explain his play in a contract year? A year that meant millions and millions of dollars to him? And, as every Giants fan knows, Nicks has NEVER - not once - shown his same skill set since his leg injury. If he wasn't going to show it the past few years (and esp last year with his money on the line), what makes anyone think he has the ability to suddenly do it this year?
It's all about guaranteed money  
ChathamMark : 3/8/2014 8:12 pm : link
Can't see Nicks taking a cheap one-year deal, with the risk of injury. The most guaranteed money deal most likely will win. (would surprise me if the most was on a one year deal...)
I would only bring him back IF..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 3/8/2014 8:14 pm : link
his one year deal was loaded with incentives for him to make his money. Not that he would ever go for this, but if it was my money I would do the following..

Pay him a base salary of league minimum.
Pay him a bonus for each game he actually plays in
Pay him a bonus for total catches
Pay him a bonus for total yards
Pay him a bonus for TDs

Total package could be worth a couple of million but provides a safety net for us.
chris, enough already, ok?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/8/2014 8:15 pm : link
i was answering questions and responding..Are you ever NOT contrarian? So fucking silly..Enough
Guys saying  
G2 : 3/8/2014 8:18 pm : link
We should move on and not take a 1 year deal are insane. Nicks is a big time talent. Who knows what's been going through his head and who cares! Sign him if possible! He is a difference maker. Cruz and Randle will have monster years. Gotta do it if possible..
So when Eli has a bad year,  
oldutican : 3/8/2014 8:21 pm : link
it's because of a bad O-line. When Nicks has a bad year in the same season, it's because "he was dogging it." Sounds like a double standard to me. Fix the O-line, and Eli and Nicks together again will be just fine.
Good..  
Damon : 3/8/2014 8:26 pm : link
Keep him.
one year makes sense  
newmike2 : 3/8/2014 8:27 pm : link
if the price is cap friendly. He'll either impress the league in a new system and seek to get paid or he'll revert to 2013 and the Giants can replace him with someone the OC wants.

why  
BigBlueCane : 3/8/2014 8:28 pm : link
would anyone believe what Mort has to say.
I'd consider a one year deal for Nicks if the Giants feel  
Ira : 3/8/2014 8:34 pm : link
that it was injuries and not attitude causing his problems.
RE: Teams must be talking one year deals or even worse multi-year deals  
BigBlueinChicago : 3/8/2014 8:34 pm : link
In comment 11545011 wgenesis123 said:
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with only prove it money. No matter what the reason or excuse Nicks has failed himself in a big way.


That has to be what is going on.

Team X is probably offering Nicks a 3 year deal with a $5 to $7 million guarantee, with the ability to get out of it at minimal cost to the team after the first season.

With that, would the Giants do a 1-year, $6 million deal with incentives up to $10 million?

Personally, I would wish him good luck in his future endeavors and move on.

To bring him back I need a full explanation as to what happened last year from him, specifically the situation before the Dallas game, which to this day is still murky and never truly explained.
I don't know how  
Bill in TN : 3/8/2014 8:35 pm : link
re-signing Nicks is going to allow Randle to develop, as someone else has suggested.
RE: So when Eli has a bad year,  
mrvax : 3/8/2014 8:54 pm : link
In comment 11545165 oldutican said:
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it's because of a bad O-line. When Nicks has a bad year in the same season, it's because "he was dogging it." Sounds like a double standard to me. Fix the O-line, and Eli and Nicks together again will be just fine.


You and baadbill aren't seeing the whole picture. It's been reported Nicks missed meetings and physical therapy sessions. Many plays he quit the route on. He'd never done that shit before. He had a lot of "issues" last year and even forced Coughlin to pull him in the most important game of a shit season against the lowly Cowboys.
No  
spike : 3/8/2014 9:04 pm : link
I would rather have Manningham
I would definitely keep him on the 1 year deal.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 3/8/2014 9:17 pm : link
Nicks has every incentive to give it his all this year or his career might be done before he's 28 years-old.

I would also tell him that all of the playing time and targets will be earned, not given in advance. This is truly a "prove it" season.
Sounds like no one is...  
Bramton1 : 3/8/2014 9:32 pm : link
... barging down his door yet.
We need to determine  
natefit : 3/8/2014 10:04 pm : link
where he is at physically and emotionally. Im still puzzled about what exactly happened with this guy. Im certain we will do our due dilliegence before making a decision
Maybe we could get both  
brian : 3/8/2014 10:09 pm : link
Manningham and Nicks back--for cheap.
I have little interest here  
nyynyg : 3/8/2014 10:11 pm : link
Nicks disappeared and having every sign of quitting on the team. Don 'to see why we would bring him back at all.

That said, the contrarian view would say, all the coaches are basically on one year deals, why not put Nicks on one.
Bad Dawg! It should read Nicks tells NFL he would take 1 year deal  
Marty in Albany : 3/8/2014 10:22 pm : link
There is nothing in the report to show that anything has changed about Nicks desire to play for the Giants. Both in word and in deed Nicks clearly indicated that he wanted out. All he is doing is letting the League know that he will take a one year contract rather than insist on a long-term deal.

The story is news, but so far as Nicks and the Giants are concerned, nothing has changed. This boat has sailed.
RE: I would only bring him back IF..  
BigBlueinChicago : 3/8/2014 10:25 pm : link
In comment 11545155 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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his one year deal was loaded with incentives for him to make his money. Not that he would ever go for this, but if it was my money I would do the following..

Pay him a base salary of league minimum.
Pay him a bonus for each game he actually plays in
Pay him a bonus for total catches
Pay him a bonus for total yards
Pay him a bonus for TDs


Would you sign that exact deal knowing that 3 of those 5 incentives are not completely under your control?
mrvax ... You and baadbill aren't seeing the whole picture.  
baadbill : 3/8/2014 10:57 pm : link
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You and baadbill aren't seeing the whole picture. It's been reported Nicks missed meetings and physical therapy sessions. Many plays he quit the route on. He'd never done that shit before. He had a lot of "issues" last year and even forced Coughlin to pull him in the most important game of a shit season against the lowly Cowboys.


I think you misunderstood what I am saying. I'm not saying he didn't have an attitude problem. I'm saying his bad attitude doesn't matter because he doesn't have the talent anymore to warrant even worrying about his attitude.
RE: RE: I would only bring him back IF..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 3/8/2014 11:01 pm : link
In comment 11545300 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 11545155 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:


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his one year deal was loaded with incentives for him to make his money. Not that he would ever go for this, but if it was my money I would do the following..

Pay him a base salary of league minimum.
Pay him a bonus for each game he actually plays in
Pay him a bonus for total catches
Pay him a bonus for total yards
Pay him a bonus for TDs



Would you sign that exact deal knowing that 3 of those 5 incentives are not completely under your control?


If I am Nicks and I am not getting offers from anyone else? If I am also Nicks and I really believe in myself and know that I can rebound? Yeah..

I see stuff posted here about Nicks being a big time talent, a top WR, etc. That is in the past. He mentally checked out last year and it was NOT all due to injury. He dropped balls! He quit on routes. He quit on the game by taking himself out often. He is easily injured.

Enough already !! I would rather take the Nicks money some of you guys would like to spend and go get another free agent OL.
RE: RE: .  
Chris in Philly : 3/9/2014 1:21 am : link
In comment 11545137 chris r said:
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In comment 11545110 Big Blue '56 said:

Are you ever not defensive when it comes to the Giants organization?


Radar, shouldn't you be attacking the post and not the poster? Or does your sanctimony apply only to others?
It's amazing how far narrative goes when it makes the story more  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 1:27 am : link
interesting than it really is. Nicks had a frustrating season. It's dumbfounding how one season throws out someone's entire body of work, while slugs like Diehl gets their dicks sucked for playing like dog shit the last 3 years.
I would love this!!  
prdave73 : 3/9/2014 4:15 am : link
I never believe letting him good would be the best for the Giants at this point in time.. I hope it does happen because this guy is a player. Offensive schemes & oline needed to improve. Health does matter though.
Of course he would accept a one-year deal.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/9/2014 7:23 am : link
He and Maclin are in the same position. The main difference is that it made sense for Maclin to stay in Philly. I'm not sure that's true of Nicks with the Giants.

Nicks and Maclin were both 21-year-old rookies in 2009. Both will turn 27 early in 2015 - still young enough to hit the jackpot next year, if they can dispel the doubts that would deter anyone from offering a lot of guaranteed money now.

In 2014, the best multi-year deal Maclin could have gotten was essentially a lucrative one-year contract: it might have had more years on paper with a big total dollar number, but 2015 and beyond would have been team-option years, bought for a small amount of additional up-front cash. For Maclin, a straight one-year deal to play in a loaded Philly offense was a smart move. Aside from the usual elite-QB suspects (New England, Denver, New Orleans, etc.), where was he more likely to put up big numbers? Philly was fourth in points and second in yards last year despite not settling on a QB until Week 9. Could Foles be a one-year wonder? Sure. At the moment, though, there are few better places for an offensive player than the Linc.

Compare that to the Giants and their "broken" offense: New, inexperienced coordinator, no line, no TE, no RBs and a QB who was great in 2011. Hakeem Nicks knows the mess as well as anyone, because he was part of it. If he has to settle for a deal with minimal guarantees, New York is one of the last places I would expect him to look. The Giants only make sense for Nicks if they offer a lot of guaranteed money, which seems very unlikely.
Grandiose delusions!  
DavidinBMNY : 3/9/2014 8:56 am : link
Nicks was not good last year, he missed voluntary camp, missed a game, missed a lot of meetings. Nicks thinks he is a #1 wr and he wants the same deal as Maclin, since he now knows he is not going to make big money this year. What a moron. Seriously, the NYG almost never say negative things about a player. Nicks has. No one to blame but himself. He will be not even get what Maclin got for 1 yr. possibly he will get 3 mm and no one is going to rush to sign him.

Nicks did this to himself. I personally will always thank him for the Super Bowl run and the TD at home against the falcons was awesome. But I also will remember how the team counted on him last year and how he responded, and I do not feel sorry for this guy at all.
David in LA  
DavidinBMNY : 3/9/2014 8:58 am : link
Nicks is being killed because of his attitude. He was indirectly called out by Rolle, the fact he didn't dress for the Cowboys game speaks volumes about how Nicks acted last year. What team wants to pay big money for someone who had that attitude?
Baadbill  
DavidinBMNY : 3/9/2014 9:02 am : link
How do you explain nicks missing the cowboys game? And how do you honestly think every other nfl team considered that AT&T he time?
RE: Baadbill  
baadbill : 3/9/2014 9:17 am : link
In comment 11545520 DavidinBMNY said:
Quote:
How do you explain nicks missing the cowboys game? And how do you honestly think every other nfl team considered that AT&T he time?


I'm not saying he doesn't have an attitude problem. My point is that he's lost his physical skills - he's never going to be the same player he was skill wise - which, to me, makes his attitude issues moot.
Hate to burst your bubble  
Carl in CT : 3/9/2014 9:22 am : link
JR inherited most of the Super Bowl talent before he got here. Totally overrated!
RE: Hate to burst your bubble  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2014 9:31 am : link
In comment 11545532 Carl in CT said:
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JR inherited most of the Super Bowl talent before he got here. Totally overrated!


Ridiculous comment. Most playoff teams have enough to get there and usually a few pieces away. No, JR didn't take a bottom of the barrell team to 2 SBs but he certainly got us over the talent hump and then some.
UConn  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2014 9:33 am : link
That Reese was employed by Accorsi in 2002(?) and our drafts suddenly improved a great deal should be disregarded as well..:)
radar  
chopperhatch : 3/9/2014 9:48 am : link
Has very quickly become one of my least favorite posters here
This would be ideal..  
Sean in PA : 3/9/2014 9:52 am : link
let Nicks prove he is healthy and go for big money next year. A healthy Nicks really changes everything for this offense.
RE: RE: Hate to burst your bubble  
AnishPatel : 3/9/2014 9:55 am : link
In comment 11545537 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 11545532 Carl in CT said:


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JR inherited most of the Super Bowl talent before he got here. Totally overrated!



Ridiculous comment. Most playoff teams have enough to get there and usually a few pieces away. No, JR didn't take a bottom of the barrell team to 2 SBs but he certainly got us over the talent hump and then some.



I agree. Its stupid because Accorsi was impacted by promoting Reese to Director of College Scouting. Changing HCs from Fasshole to TC helped Accorsi too. Accorsi made 2 great moves. All in for Eli and promoting Reese from scout to running college scouting.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 3/9/2014 10:05 am : link
Still doubt this results in Nicks coming back.
Reese vs. Accorsi is an old, stale argument...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/9/2014 10:11 am : link
...that usually reveals more about the poster than it does about the abilities and performance of our last two GMs. The current incumbent is a professional talent evaluator who would probably never go near a microphone if it weren't in his job description. His predecessor was a PR guy by background and inclination, as much at home in the press box as in the war room - maybe more so. I give Reese the nod on performance, but I also admit that I simply prefer his style: restrained, poker-faced, technocratic.

How does this all relate to Hakeem Nicks? Well, if Reese brings Nicks back, I'm pretty sure it will be based on tape, medical reports and detailed input from his coaches. With Accorsi, I could have imagined Nicks re-signing after a chat with the GM, and Ernie proudly telling the beat reporters that "I looked Hakeem in the eye, man-to-man, and knew he still had that fire inside him to succeed. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a young receiver named Webster Slaughter after he had a rough year in 1988..."

Of course, behind the scenes, Ernie might have used the same criteria as Reese - especially during his last few years as GM. A lot of the differences are in presentation.
Forget it. Nicks was basically under a one-year deal in 2013...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2014 10:12 am : link
and we all know what he did.

Why would you all want to go thru this again?
It doesnt make sense.  
AnishPatel : 3/9/2014 10:16 am : link
Have him come back to learn a new offense for one year only to leave and learn a new system. I'd rather invest in someone who will be here longer so we can have them learn the system.
The Giants are NOT going to sign Nicks for a one year deal  
ZogZerg : 3/9/2014 10:34 am : link
We already saw that movie last year and it was a disaster. There is no way Coughlin wants him back.
Keep him if you can  
HomerJones45 : 3/9/2014 10:40 am : link
we forget Nicks only just turned 26. If he is signed, the Giants can spend that #1 pick on a o-lineman or cornerback. Otherwise, it's almost certain we are taking a wr at #1.
RE: 3 guys on PS  
LPete : 3/9/2014 10:41 am : link
In comment 11545134 SBlue46 said:
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Are better...need do get rid of
Dead weight..new offense....



You can't be serious. You just can't be...
Sounds like his agent floated this  
JonC : 3/9/2014 10:43 am : link
Nicks had his prove-it year in 2013 and he terribly misplayed his hand, he basically no-showed the entire season.

If I'm NYG brass, I'm incredibly disappointed in his choices and not inclined to give him another chance.

They drafted Randle to hedge this type of decision, go with the kid and find another WR in the draft. Move forward.
RE: Sounds like his agent floated this  
Danny Kanell : 3/9/2014 11:09 am : link
In comment 11545602 JonC said:
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Nicks had his prove-it year in 2013 and he terribly misplayed his hand, he basically no-showed the entire season.

If I'm NYG brass, I'm incredibly disappointed in his choices and not inclined to give him another chance.

They drafted Randle to hedge this type of decision, go with the kid and find another WR in the draft. Move forward.


+1
Haven't changed my mind since my 5:22 post yesterday.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2014 11:29 am : link
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We need to re-sign JPP after next year. So Nicks has a big year then leaves?

As a fan, I'm into adios


I see your point Jon C  
Essex : 3/9/2014 11:29 am : link
But I really hate losing a guy we drafted this early. I think he might be sufficiently motivated this year and given the rise in the salary cap this year and the rumor of future years, I would be willing to give him one year make or break deal. Randle has not shown enough for me to be a viable hedge. If this is for real, I think we need to pounce on it.
He should have been motivated a year ago  
JonC : 3/9/2014 11:33 am : link
He's a kid, made an immature decision etc, I get that. It was embarrassing how he chose to comport himself and perform last season, and if I'm the GM I find it unacceptable. I have to set a precedent as a professional, as does the player.
This is the same player and agent  
JonC : 3/9/2014 11:36 am : link
that made shit decisions last year, none of them for the good of the team. Now, this leak is most likely the agent, so you have the same player and agent with hat in hand, begging. I wouldn't reward them based on that.

Not to mention Nicks hasn't been the same player since the injury versus Tampa in early '12. The whole sequence of events is suspicious.
Unfortunately for Nicks  
Blue Blood : 3/9/2014 11:37 am : link
like JonC stated.. he made some bad decisions and didnt handle his move into FA well. I can understand his concern for being injured and I am sure the team playing poorly definitely didnt help him.

And he just happens to be a young player who has either been hurt or underachieved the last two years in a row, and he is going into 2014 season with one of the deepest rookie WR classes in YEARS.. someone will pay him.. but it wont be the Giants..
For a long term deal  
Essex : 3/9/2014 11:46 am : link
You are absolutely right. He can't be trusted. But for a one year deal, I think we would be cutting our nose to spite our face. It is as much as a no lose deal as you can get. I think with a better offensive line and a better frame of mind, this could be a huge break for us.
He had the same chance in '13  
JonC : 3/9/2014 11:56 am : link
he's now already untrustworthy in my book. We shall see, I don't the precedent being any different for one year vesus multi.
Sign him to a one-year  
RetroJint : 3/9/2014 12:00 pm : link
deal , which undoubtedly will be for way more than some of the wishful suggestions noted above. As Googs notes, same scenario as last year. What changes? He was a disgrace last season. Although some of his antics did mirror Plax, who was adroitly managed by Coughlin, their situations differ in that Burress continued to block like a demon & contested for every one of Eli's throws . This guy laid down. He made nice with the opposition. He would not compete over the middle. What he found out is that his act is on film and it's not receiving rave reviews. Pass.
Retro,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2014 12:02 pm : link
I agree
Doc, please let me apologize.  
Klaatu : 3/9/2014 12:11 pm : link
I'm getting cranky in my old age, and this weather isn't helping my arthritis. I seem to be taking my pain and frustration out on you (and Jerry Reese).

Besides, I hate it when I sound like Doomster.
Again, I think it's perplexing  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 12:16 pm : link
how everyone is riding Nicks for having a shit season. He's been a great Giant, and last season was frustrating for everybody. The guy hasn't physically been the same since the Tampa game. People are latching onto narratives that are more exciting than what actually happened. The guy had bad wheels and his production suffered because our QB had no time to throw. Outside of last 2 seasons, Nicks has been a beast, and his postseason performance was key in helping us get to SB 46.

Then there's David Diehl who gets plastered and swipes into a few cars…while his play also simultaneously sucked for quite some…let's put him in the RING OF HONOR!
David in LA  
baadbill : 3/9/2014 12:29 pm : link
You obviously don't like Diehl. Fine. That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Nicks almost certainly wasn't injured last year. His injuries have permanently crippled him. He's never going to be the player he once was.

And the comparison with Diehl is horrible on another level. At least Diehl continued to compete as his skills diminished. Nicks? Not so much.
Nicks did not give good effort last season  
Buck Dharma : 3/9/2014 12:32 pm : link
That is "why everyone is riding Nicks", he quit on the team.
Diehl was and is old  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2014 12:36 pm : link
and Nicks isn't. Not sure I see the similarities other then them both having shitty seasons. Atleast Diehl didn't look like he quit, unlike Nicks who absolutely dogged it, injured or not.

Sure I'll take Nicks back on a super favorable deal. That won't happen though so the whole thing doesn't matter much IMO.
Nobody mentioning how Nicks was fined for being late for meetings  
Giants2012 : 3/9/2014 12:46 pm : link
and missed treatments.

Amazing
.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2014 12:56 pm : link
It'a all good, K..We all get cranky..Even though I usually disagree with Doomster on many levels concerning this organization, at least he attempts to give reasons why he feels this way. That's all we can ask of any poster, whether we agree with them or not.

What's most annoying to me is being labeled a Giants' homer(yes, I bleed blue) and no matter how you explain things, the label unfortunately sticks. Yes, I'm not thrilled that we haven't made the playoffs all that much of late, but that pales in comparison to winning it all twice in 6 years imv, an almost impossible task even for the so-called "consistent" teams in the league that are so admired by many members here.

The fact is, we have a great HC and a GM that is highly thought of around the league. They both have and will make mistakes, some egregious at times. I'm sure followers of Ozzie Newsome would say and have said the same through the years..If supporting this regime ON THE WHOLE paints me as Homer or Kool-aidist, then fine.

I don't support the Giants organization with a virtual blank check; they have to earn it imo and this regime has, on balance, done exactly that..It's a pleasure to root for this team, warts and all; that has not been the case in days gone by.

People who have been here as long as I have and in many cases much longer than I have (I joined in February of 2001), know how I relentlessly bashed the Accorsi and Fassel regime despite some wonderful moments. Yes, I was unquestionably over the top in retrospect, but I don't recall being called a Homer during that period of time..
RE: RE: RE: .  
chris r : 3/9/2014 1:08 pm : link
In comment 11545475 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 11545137 chris r said:


Quote:


In comment 11545110 Big Blue '56 said:

Are you ever not defensive when it comes to the Giants organization?



Radar, shouldn't you be attacking the post and not the poster? Or does your sanctimony apply only to others?


Don't you have a football thread contribution to make for a change?
RE: Again, I think it's perplexing  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2014 1:50 pm : link
In comment 11545726 David in LA said:
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how everyone is riding Nicks for having a shit season. He's been a great Giant, and last season was frustrating for everybody. The guy hasn't physically been the same since the Tampa game. People are latching onto narratives that are more exciting than what actually happened. The guy had bad wheels and his production suffered because our QB had no time to throw. Outside of last 2 seasons, Nicks has been a beast, and his postseason performance was key in helping us get to SB 46.

Then there's David Diehl who gets plastered and swipes into a few cars…while his play also simultaneously sucked for quite some…let's put him in the RING OF HONOR!


What's more perplexing is how you missed the 10 million posts in the past few years making light of David's Diehl's eroded skill set.

Nicks is done with the Giants, and that beast we all saw is no longer around, or it only comes out when Nicks decides it does...either way its time to move on.
If this is true,  
Doomster : 3/9/2014 1:53 pm : link
this could make him attractive to a team like the Pats.....they got Moss on the cheap, and then paid him after one year....
Sure, Diehl gave max effort  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 2:08 pm : link
what does that matter if he's routinely looked like dog shit since 2009? Nicks gave us excellent production outside of 2 years. Saying that Nicks simply mailed it in is a nice sexy story, but the truth is much more simpler than this board would like to believe. Either his physical skills diminished, or a poor season just kept snowballing downhill…or it could be a mix of both. To suggest a guy in a contract year would purposefully tank a season with so much on the line is a concept that's so insane, I'm shocked people think this is a matter of fact.
RE: Nobody mentioning how Nicks was fined for being late for meetings  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 2:10 pm : link
In comment 11545769 Giants2012 said:
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and missed treatments.

Amazing


Because NFL teams are always 100% honest and up front about these sort of matters.
David  
JonC : 3/9/2014 2:12 pm : link
Nicks quit, and injuries were only one component in his willing choice to basically take the season off. It was obvious and visible.
Retro  
JonC : 3/9/2014 2:13 pm : link
exactly.
David in LA  
baadbill : 3/9/2014 2:17 pm : link
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Either his physical skills diminished, or a poor season just kept snowballing downhill…


Exactly. He's no longer physically the player he once was. That is the "reality" as I perceive it.

Or, he is fully recovered and the same physical talent, but has just played like shit - in his contract year [which I don't believe for a second]

But either way, he's done - or at a minimum he's going to have to get a chance to prove himself with another team.
David - what difference does it make?  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2014 2:20 pm : link
If Nicks' injuries have eroded his skill set then his future is bad and the Giants shouldn't want him.

If he is not injured and he chose not to put forth a good effort (on and off the field) for whatever reason then the Giants definitely don't want him.




Jon, he played well in the opening game  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 2:21 pm : link
he looked like a guy that thought he'd get taken care of, but instead he got treated like Welker in NE. All the talk about Randle looking like a seasoned vet during the offseason was the first sign that he was getting phased out.
Quite likely, and so what?  
JonC : 3/9/2014 2:25 pm : link
Be a professional, earn your keep, you're not owed a damned thing at that point.
Radar...  
Chris in Philly : 3/9/2014 2:25 pm : link
Wow, you're getting more clever! Keep on preaching how superior you are though since you never take personal shots at anyone. You're not a hypocrite at all! There goes my hero!
There's enough out there, from the stuff about his no showing  
Riggies : 3/9/2014 2:29 pm : link
PT sessions to being the one Rolle was [mostly] talking about when it came to effort to Gilbride throwing him under the bus, that Nicks' at least pulling up this past season is definitely not fluffed up narrative.

Injuries probably did play a role and it was an incredibly stupid and bizarre decision on his and his agent's part, to a point where it'd be hard to believe if you were cold to the situation, but that's partly why betting on him suddenly being inspired by a one year, show-me (at ~$5M like Maclin got) deal is ridiculous.

And Diehl was a terrible football player for years. He had no business being relied on to the extent this team did from about 2010 on and their blind loyalty to him was one of the things that sunk the 2012 season. He was a serviceable OL at his best and it's kind of a joke he's got PB/AP honors than an actually very good OL like McKenzie never got. Maybe some of the OTT Diehl Apologists are some of the ones not wanting Nicks back now or noting his BS, but plenty of others are not.
Jon, I just believe that some people are just wired differently  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 2:29 pm : link
and handle questions about their job security in different fashion. In a perfect world, he would have posted 1000 yards and 8+ TD's and gotten taken care of. My issue is with people completely dismissing his entire body of work. If he's gone, I tip my cap and wish him luck elsewhere and thank him for everything he's done.
RE: Jon, he played well in the opening game  
baadbill : 3/9/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 11545925 David in LA said:
Quote:
he looked like a guy that thought he'd get taken care of, but instead he got treated like Welker in NE. All the talk about Randle looking like a seasoned vet during the offseason was the first sign that he was getting phased out.


Are you suggesting that he was treated poorly and that affected his effort?

Because someone just pointed out: "To suggest a guy in a contract year would purposefully tank a season with so much on the line is a concept that's so insane, I'm shocked people think this is a matter of fact."
baadbill, i'm saying mailing it in was not a conscious decision  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 2:32 pm : link
looking tentative and unsure is completely different from outright deciding to quit on the team.
David  
JonC : 3/9/2014 2:33 pm : link
I understand, but this is a show-me business and there's one way to NOT go about your business, which is the tactic he chose.

Very grateful for his other years of service here, but the way he/agent attempted to handle 2013 was amateur hour. A disgrace.
But David , looking tentative and unsure  
baadbill : 3/9/2014 2:39 pm : link
in his contract year ... is all on him. He's a professional. And, as I've said over and over, I believe it is clear that the real issue is that he's now a physically different player, never again to be what he was pre-2012.

But if I'm wrong, then his being "tentative and unsure" is equally unacceptable. It's his job to be steady. Hell, he was in his contract year and if he was healthy and couldn't bring himself to perform - for any reason - in his contract year, then there really isn't much more to say.
Sure, it's easy to say from our vantage point  
David in LA : 3/9/2014 2:43 pm : link
but when you have what is possibly your one and only shot at a big contract, and the number 1 issue you constantly hear about is your durability, I don't think it's that easy to not be tentative and unsure. Individuals respond differently to things, take a look at Tuck who is prone to sulking. It's not one of those things where you just say "suck it up and be a pro", because it's not an issue that's that black and white.
Welcome to the real world  
JonC : 3/9/2014 2:46 pm : link
If you're shaky, unsure, and suck at your job it's going bye bye.
Well you can forget about that  
rasbutant : 3/9/2014 2:46 pm : link
3rd round comp pick we were hoping for. Guess we should have traded him during the season.
RE: So when Eli has a bad year,  
dep026 : 3/9/2014 2:47 pm : link
In comment 11545165 oldutican said:
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it's because of a bad O-line. When Nicks has a bad year in the same season, it's because "he was dogging it." Sounds like a double standard to me. Fix the O-line, and Eli and Nicks together again will be just fine.


No, its all Eli's fault that Nicks sucked last year. That nicks dogged it before the Cowboys game, took himself out in the Packers game, stopped running routes, half assed routes. All Eli's fault.

Your act is so tiresome.
RE: RE: So when Eli has a bad year,  
BigBlueinChicago : 3/9/2014 3:06 pm : link
In comment 11545981 dep026 said:
Quote:
In comment 11545165 oldutican said:


Quote:


it's because of a bad O-line. When Nicks has a bad year in the same season, it's because "he was dogging it." Sounds like a double standard to me. Fix the O-line, and Eli and Nicks together again will be just fine.



No, its all Eli's fault that Nicks sucked last year. That nicks dogged it before the Cowboys game, took himself out in the Packers game, stopped running routes, half assed routes. All Eli's fault.


Like this one?

Funny how most are in agreement  
Randy in CT : 3/9/2014 3:10 pm : link
as to the lack of contribution by our #1 WR last year yet some cannot also make the association with how Eli's year was impacted by that (among other things)...

If they fix the Oline to a decent place, and we get solid RBs contributing as well as a TE then Eli still has a bad year, then come and talk to me.
If  
dorgan : 3/9/2014 3:12 pm : link
I'm Reese, I think long and hard before making any offer to Nicks. There is some puzzling behavior that has to be accounted for before I'd consider his return at any price.

The film doesn't lie. He quit on routes multiple times throughout the year. If there's no suitable answer as to why, you move on.

Too bad, he was a great player for us in the past and kept himself out of trouble.

id sign him  
GMANinDC : 3/9/2014 3:17 pm : link
Young, immatute and bad decisions can be overcome by 1 good year..its worth a small gamble..you sugn or dtaft a Wr to hedge your bets..

Hes still young..it wony cost that much to keep him..
So much for that rumor.  
Mad Mike : 3/9/2014 3:40 pm : link
Good luck to him wherever he winds up.
Its a two way street  
Neverend : 3/9/2014 4:38 pm : link
Eli missed Nicks couple times too. Its like they were cursed. You saw it in the preseason too. They just lost it together

There is  
dorgan : 3/9/2014 5:57 pm : link
a significant difference between quitting on a play and missing a guy. It's not a subtle distinction.
dorgan  
GMANinDC : 3/9/2014 6:21 pm : link
That an interesting post. Not watching every game, I didn't realize he quit on plays..I know that's a no-no in professional sports..

My question to you is, you think (and this is not a excuse for him) that he got frustrated with the season and that caused his play to falter?. I've been under the impression that he was really hurt all season
that nicks play against phi  
Neverend : 3/9/2014 7:10 pm : link
he did show a piss poor effort cant deny that. altho playing devils advocate he did run a deep route the prior play and he got lazy walking back to the huddle (everyone was lined up waiting for him as he jogged back all the way across the field, ive never seen that in a football game). no excuse. 'quit' is a strong word, but it was definitely a very lethargic release on his part that looked to be the result of fatigue rather than him saying 'fuck eli, fuck this season, fuck this game'
gman  
dorgan : 3/10/2014 4:58 am : link
sorry for the delay in responding, didn't check back on the thread until just now.

Nicks' behavior last season was baffling to me. I always liked him but there was no doubt he was dogging it some. I can't figure him out and that's why I'm not strongly calling for any action one way or the other, I'm just urging caution.

Something was radically wrong with how he conducted himself last season and they need to know what it was before they take any action.

You just can't have an X receiver who quits on a slant. That results in an interception damn near every time it happens and Nicks quit on at least two slant patterns last year. That's a cardinal sin for a wideout.
Every WR learns that rule in high school and it is drummed into their heads relentlessly.

The most absurd part  
hitdog42 : 3/10/2014 5:50 am : link
Of the nicks crucifying is a slant route down 2 plus scores with 3 minutes left when the game had already been urinated away

Somehow it's become a rallying cry

RE: The most absurd part  
dep026 : 3/10/2014 5:59 am : link
In comment 11546699 hitdog42 said:
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Of the nicks crucifying is a slant route down 2 plus scores with 3 minutes left when the game had already been urinated away

Somehow it's become a rallying cry


That was by far not then only time. Nicks was gid awful last year in play, attitude, and effort.
dorgan  
GMANinDC : 3/10/2014 9:23 am : link
that's the one thing that has be wandering also. was all this because his agent told him to take it easy this year and coast?..That would be the stupidest thing an agent can say or did he get a case of the "Steve Smith" syndrome..

Something tells me that he is going to try and make amends this year now that he understands the magnitude of what he did to his career..
RE: The most absurd part  
BigBlueinChicago : 3/10/2014 9:38 am : link
In comment 11546699 hitdog42 said:
Quote:
Of the nicks crucifying is a slant route down 2 plus scores with 3 minutes left when the game had already been urinated away

Somehow it's become a rallying cry


7 minutes left.
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