Probably too late but...
@RVacchianoNYDN: The idea that Hakeem Nicks would accept a one-year, prove-it deal could be big. It could even make a return to the Giants plausible. #NYG
@RVacchianoNYDN: Interestingly, that @mortreport story says Nicks is "willing to weigh a 1-year contract to prove his past 2 seasons were aberrations" #NYG
@RVacchianoNYDN: According to @mortreport, Hakeem Nicks' agents are sending teams doctors notes saying he's finally over his foot/knee injuiries.
Link - ( New Window )
You would think he would have showed up considering it was the last year of his current deal. Normally "contract year" performances are good.
TC is loyal to a fault but it goes both ways with him. If you cross TC or don't give effort he believes you can give, I could see him turning his back on nicks.
We won't know full story but something happened and I feel TC is done w nicks.
Remember he is rep'd by Jz now, who might play games with the team w/a big HN yr, but a biz decision yr for VC where VC already has a multi yr and can return to form in 15. Yes I do not trist the Roc, Nation.
Also see Simms11.
As a fan, I'm into adios
for 1 year when we can get cheap wr in draft or FA
that has speed. He will only leave next year and we have
to train someone else. I think our practice squad players
have more upside and JJ needs to play..
As a fan, I'm into adios
Wow. When you've lost Big Blue '56, you've lost Middle America.
As a fan, I'm into adios
Nicks having a big year means the Giants may have a big year...I'm down with that.
He's a gamble at this point and his offers are going to be made accordingly.
2. Mcadoo just might rejuvenate his career
Couldn't be happier now. We may get back to being one of the better receiving corps in the league. Especially if Reese nabs Ebron with first pick
Your loyalty to the current regime knows no bounds.
I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head.
If he could help bring 2 SBs every 6 years, you betcha!
But, there are so many holes - if it makes sense financially, maybe signing him allows the wr fix one more year.
But, do his reps get in the way of Randle and Jernigan's development. And, who knows maybe the Giants do want to draft Evans?
Quote:
..I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head...
If he could help bring 2 SBs every 6 years, you betcha!
"Help" being the operative word. It's not like EA had anything to do with the 2007 team, although I admit that JR's rookies played a big part down the stretch.
And in the "I'd rather be lucky than good" dept., JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM.
As a fan, I'm into adios
I agree. He hasn't been doing much last couple years. Injuries and OL are an issue as well which contributed to that.
But let's move on and draft another X and see how RR does if we don't draft an X.
Everyone loves Victor, but no one seems to remember that he had 1 TD after Week 1 last year. When your offense line is atrocious everyone suffers.
Quote:
Quote:
..I swear...if Jerry Reese was pissing on your leg and telling you it was raining, you'd reach for an umbrella to hold over his head...
If he could help bring 2 SBs every 6 years, you betcha!
"Help" being the operative word. It's not like EA had anything to do with the 2007 team, although I admit that JR's rookies played a big part down the stretch.
And in the "I'd rather be lucky than good" dept., JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM.
It was primarily about Eli Manning and a defense that got hot. From a management standpoint it was definitely more Coughlin than Reese.
Fixed.
LOL
After the shit Nicks did last year, I wouldn't piss down his throat if his guts were on fire.
Nicks just had a chance to ball out for a big contract and instead he dogged it in both his preparation and game performance (not to be confused with just having a bad year like others did). If he's stupid enough to do that, when he already had a ton of questions to answer after 2012, he's sure as hell is a major risk to do it again, especially if he can pick up ~$5M or so as a cushion this season like Maclin got.
2009-2011 were nice, but time to move on from this dude.
You mean like Belichick was fortunate Bledsoe hurt his ribs and Brady took over? That kind of fortunate?
I really hate when that card is played. Championships are always about good fortune
It's a win win. A monster Nicks year as some have said could equal a monster Giants year. Gives Randle one more year to develop and takes WR off the needs list in round 1 at least.
Dead weight..new offense....
Quote:
...JR was fortunate in 2011 that Stokely got hurt and Cruz came on like gangbusters, and after losing Boss and having his belated Plan B retire, the Giants were able to get good production out of Ballard. 2011 was a hell of a lot more about Coughlin as a head coach than it was about JR as a GM...
You mean like Belichick was fortunate Bledsoe hurt his ribs and Brady took over? That kind of fortunate?
I really hate when that card is played. Championships are always about good fortune
Are you ever not defensive when it comes to the Giants organization?
How else can anyone explain his play in a contract year? A year that meant millions and millions of dollars to him? And, as every Giants fan knows, Nicks has NEVER - not once - shown his same skill set since his leg injury. If he wasn't going to show it the past few years (and esp last year with his money on the line), what makes anyone think he has the ability to suddenly do it this year?
Pay him a base salary of league minimum.
Pay him a bonus for each game he actually plays in
Pay him a bonus for total catches
Pay him a bonus for total yards
Pay him a bonus for TDs
Total package could be worth a couple of million but provides a safety net for us.
That has to be what is going on.
Team X is probably offering Nicks a 3 year deal with a $5 to $7 million guarantee, with the ability to get out of it at minimal cost to the team after the first season.
With that, would the Giants do a 1-year, $6 million deal with incentives up to $10 million?
Personally, I would wish him good luck in his future endeavors and move on.
To bring him back I need a full explanation as to what happened last year from him, specifically the situation before the Dallas game, which to this day is still murky and never truly explained.
You and baadbill aren't seeing the whole picture. It's been reported Nicks missed meetings and physical therapy sessions. Many plays he quit the route on. He'd never done that shit before. He had a lot of "issues" last year and even forced Coughlin to pull him in the most important game of a shit season against the lowly Cowboys.
I would also tell him that all of the playing time and targets will be earned, not given in advance. This is truly a "prove it" season.
That said, the contrarian view would say, all the coaches are basically on one year deals, why not put Nicks on one.
The story is news, but so far as Nicks and the Giants are concerned, nothing has changed. This boat has sailed.
Pay him a base salary of league minimum.
Pay him a bonus for each game he actually plays in
Pay him a bonus for total catches
Pay him a bonus for total yards
Pay him a bonus for TDs
Would you sign that exact deal knowing that 3 of those 5 incentives are not completely under your control?
I think you misunderstood what I am saying. I'm not saying he didn't have an attitude problem. I'm saying his bad attitude doesn't matter because he doesn't have the talent anymore to warrant even worrying about his attitude.
Quote:
his one year deal was loaded with incentives for him to make his money. Not that he would ever go for this, but if it was my money I would do the following..
Pay him a base salary of league minimum.
Pay him a bonus for each game he actually plays in
Pay him a bonus for total catches
Pay him a bonus for total yards
Pay him a bonus for TDs
Would you sign that exact deal knowing that 3 of those 5 incentives are not completely under your control?
If I am Nicks and I am not getting offers from anyone else? If I am also Nicks and I really believe in myself and know that I can rebound? Yeah..
I see stuff posted here about Nicks being a big time talent, a top WR, etc. That is in the past. He mentally checked out last year and it was NOT all due to injury. He dropped balls! He quit on routes. He quit on the game by taking himself out often. He is easily injured.
Enough already !! I would rather take the Nicks money some of you guys would like to spend and go get another free agent OL.
Are you ever not defensive when it comes to the Giants organization?
Radar, shouldn't you be attacking the post and not the poster? Or does your sanctimony apply only to others?
Nicks and Maclin were both 21-year-old rookies in 2009. Both will turn 27 early in 2015 - still young enough to hit the jackpot next year, if they can dispel the doubts that would deter anyone from offering a lot of guaranteed money now.
In 2014, the best multi-year deal Maclin could have gotten was essentially a lucrative one-year contract: it might have had more years on paper with a big total dollar number, but 2015 and beyond would have been team-option years, bought for a small amount of additional up-front cash. For Maclin, a straight one-year deal to play in a loaded Philly offense was a smart move. Aside from the usual elite-QB suspects (New England, Denver, New Orleans, etc.), where was he more likely to put up big numbers? Philly was fourth in points and second in yards last year despite not settling on a QB until Week 9. Could Foles be a one-year wonder? Sure. At the moment, though, there are few better places for an offensive player than the Linc.
Compare that to the Giants and their "broken" offense: New, inexperienced coordinator, no line, no TE, no RBs and a QB who was great in 2011. Hakeem Nicks knows the mess as well as anyone, because he was part of it. If he has to settle for a deal with minimal guarantees, New York is one of the last places I would expect him to look. The Giants only make sense for Nicks if they offer a lot of guaranteed money, which seems very unlikely.
Nicks did this to himself. I personally will always thank him for the Super Bowl run and the TD at home against the falcons was awesome. But I also will remember how the team counted on him last year and how he responded, and I do not feel sorry for this guy at all.
I'm not saying he doesn't have an attitude problem. My point is that he's lost his physical skills - he's never going to be the same player he was skill wise - which, to me, makes his attitude issues moot.
Ridiculous comment. Most playoff teams have enough to get there and usually a few pieces away. No, JR didn't take a bottom of the barrell team to 2 SBs but he certainly got us over the talent hump and then some.
Quote:
JR inherited most of the Super Bowl talent before he got here. Totally overrated!
Ridiculous comment. Most playoff teams have enough to get there and usually a few pieces away. No, JR didn't take a bottom of the barrell team to 2 SBs but he certainly got us over the talent hump and then some.
I agree. Its stupid because Accorsi was impacted by promoting Reese to Director of College Scouting. Changing HCs from Fasshole to TC helped Accorsi too. Accorsi made 2 great moves. All in for Eli and promoting Reese from scout to running college scouting.
How does this all relate to Hakeem Nicks? Well, if Reese brings Nicks back, I'm pretty sure it will be based on tape, medical reports and detailed input from his coaches. With Accorsi, I could have imagined Nicks re-signing after a chat with the GM, and Ernie proudly telling the beat reporters that "I looked Hakeem in the eye, man-to-man, and knew he still had that fire inside him to succeed. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a young receiver named Webster Slaughter after he had a rough year in 1988..."
Of course, behind the scenes, Ernie might have used the same criteria as Reese - especially during his last few years as GM. A lot of the differences are in presentation.
Why would you all want to go thru this again?
Dead weight..new offense....
You can't be serious. You just can't be...
If I'm NYG brass, I'm incredibly disappointed in his choices and not inclined to give him another chance.
They drafted Randle to hedge this type of decision, go with the kid and find another WR in the draft. Move forward.
If I'm NYG brass, I'm incredibly disappointed in his choices and not inclined to give him another chance.
They drafted Randle to hedge this type of decision, go with the kid and find another WR in the draft. Move forward.
+1
As a fan, I'm into adios
Not to mention Nicks hasn't been the same player since the injury versus Tampa in early '12. The whole sequence of events is suspicious.
And he just happens to be a young player who has either been hurt or underachieved the last two years in a row, and he is going into 2014 season with one of the deepest rookie WR classes in YEARS.. someone will pay him.. but it wont be the Giants..
Besides, I hate it when I sound like Doomster.
Then there's David Diehl who gets plastered and swipes into a few cars…while his play also simultaneously sucked for quite some…let's put him in the RING OF HONOR!
And the comparison with Diehl is horrible on another level. At least Diehl continued to compete as his skills diminished. Nicks? Not so much.
Sure I'll take Nicks back on a super favorable deal. That won't happen though so the whole thing doesn't matter much IMO.
Amazing
What's most annoying to me is being labeled a Giants' homer(yes, I bleed blue) and no matter how you explain things, the label unfortunately sticks. Yes, I'm not thrilled that we haven't made the playoffs all that much of late, but that pales in comparison to winning it all twice in 6 years imv, an almost impossible task even for the so-called "consistent" teams in the league that are so admired by many members here.
The fact is, we have a great HC and a GM that is highly thought of around the league. They both have and will make mistakes, some egregious at times. I'm sure followers of Ozzie Newsome would say and have said the same through the years..If supporting this regime ON THE WHOLE paints me as Homer or Kool-aidist, then fine.
I don't support the Giants organization with a virtual blank check; they have to earn it imo and this regime has, on balance, done exactly that..It's a pleasure to root for this team, warts and all; that has not been the case in days gone by.
People who have been here as long as I have and in many cases much longer than I have (I joined in February of 2001), know how I relentlessly bashed the Accorsi and Fassel regime despite some wonderful moments. Yes, I was unquestionably over the top in retrospect, but I don't recall being called a Homer during that period of time..
Quote:
In comment 11545110 Big Blue '56 said:
Are you ever not defensive when it comes to the Giants organization?
Radar, shouldn't you be attacking the post and not the poster? Or does your sanctimony apply only to others?
Don't you have a football thread contribution to make for a change?
Then there's David Diehl who gets plastered and swipes into a few cars…while his play also simultaneously sucked for quite some…let's put him in the RING OF HONOR!
What's more perplexing is how you missed the 10 million posts in the past few years making light of David's Diehl's eroded skill set.
Nicks is done with the Giants, and that beast we all saw is no longer around, or it only comes out when Nicks decides it does...either way its time to move on.
Amazing
Because NFL teams are always 100% honest and up front about these sort of matters.
Exactly. He's no longer physically the player he once was. That is the "reality" as I perceive it.
Or, he is fully recovered and the same physical talent, but has just played like shit - in his contract year [which I don't believe for a second]
But either way, he's done - or at a minimum he's going to have to get a chance to prove himself with another team.
If he is not injured and he chose not to put forth a good effort (on and off the field) for whatever reason then the Giants definitely don't want him.
Injuries probably did play a role and it was an incredibly stupid and bizarre decision on his and his agent's part, to a point where it'd be hard to believe if you were cold to the situation, but that's partly why betting on him suddenly being inspired by a one year, show-me (at ~$5M like Maclin got) deal is ridiculous.
And Diehl was a terrible football player for years. He had no business being relied on to the extent this team did from about 2010 on and their blind loyalty to him was one of the things that sunk the 2012 season. He was a serviceable OL at his best and it's kind of a joke he's got PB/AP honors than an actually very good OL like McKenzie never got. Maybe some of the OTT Diehl Apologists are some of the ones not wanting Nicks back now or noting his BS, but plenty of others are not.
Are you suggesting that he was treated poorly and that affected his effort?
Because someone just pointed out: "To suggest a guy in a contract year would purposefully tank a season with so much on the line is a concept that's so insane, I'm shocked people think this is a matter of fact."
Very grateful for his other years of service here, but the way he/agent attempted to handle 2013 was amateur hour. A disgrace.
But if I'm wrong, then his being "tentative and unsure" is equally unacceptable. It's his job to be steady. Hell, he was in his contract year and if he was healthy and couldn't bring himself to perform - for any reason - in his contract year, then there really isn't much more to say.
No, its all Eli's fault that Nicks sucked last year. That nicks dogged it before the Cowboys game, took himself out in the Packers game, stopped running routes, half assed routes. All Eli's fault.
Your act is so tiresome.
Quote:
it's because of a bad O-line. When Nicks has a bad year in the same season, it's because "he was dogging it." Sounds like a double standard to me. Fix the O-line, and Eli and Nicks together again will be just fine.
No, its all Eli's fault that Nicks sucked last year. That nicks dogged it before the Cowboys game, took himself out in the Packers game, stopped running routes, half assed routes. All Eli's fault.
Like this one?
If they fix the Oline to a decent place, and we get solid RBs contributing as well as a TE then Eli still has a bad year, then come and talk to me.
The film doesn't lie. He quit on routes multiple times throughout the year. If there's no suitable answer as to why, you move on.
Too bad, he was a great player for us in the past and kept himself out of trouble.
Hes still young..it wony cost that much to keep him..
My question to you is, you think (and this is not a excuse for him) that he got frustrated with the season and that caused his play to falter?. I've been under the impression that he was really hurt all season
Nicks' behavior last season was baffling to me. I always liked him but there was no doubt he was dogging it some. I can't figure him out and that's why I'm not strongly calling for any action one way or the other, I'm just urging caution.
Something was radically wrong with how he conducted himself last season and they need to know what it was before they take any action.
You just can't have an X receiver who quits on a slant. That results in an interception damn near every time it happens and Nicks quit on at least two slant patterns last year. That's a cardinal sin for a wideout.
Every WR learns that rule in high school and it is drummed into their heads relentlessly.
Somehow it's become a rallying cry
Somehow it's become a rallying cry
That was by far not then only time. Nicks was gid awful last year in play, attitude, and effort.
Something tells me that he is going to try and make amends this year now that he understands the magnitude of what he did to his career..
Somehow it's become a rallying cry
7 minutes left.