Like Pat Kirwan says repeatedly this time of year, the initial contract numbers that come out when a player first signs are almost always leaked by the agent.
These numbers usually are the full value of the contract if the the player plays out the entire length of the contract and hits all incentives.
All that really matters is signing bonus and first year salary, and those numbers usually don't come out until the ink is dry (and the full details are released by the time).
So, in summary, stop overreacting to the initial contract numbers that are released when a player signs. Just like the Brandon Myers contract last year, most of 2 year contracts will have an escalated 2nd year salary and/or roster bonus due this time next year that will force the team to release the player or restructure/extend the player
I just checked in after being off-line most of the day and holy crap this place has gone f'ing bananas. And I didn't even read the Linval thread yet.
I understand that reasonable people can disagree about the performance of a GM, but Jerry Reese has a long track record of not being an insane moron. Maybe he'll overpay sometimes like any GM, maybe he won't account for injury risk, maybe he'll miss on a few draft picks (again like any GM). But he's never gone full batshit crazy like the old-school Snyderskins. Take the moves in context of what we know about the guy.
Everyone reacted as if was insane that Stevie was getting 4 million for one year. Then it turns out it's only 3 million and the other million is in incentives
Again, you and many others are making definitive statements without knowing squat about how the contract has been or will be structured..None of us do
BB56 - you don't know the contract either and I haven't said anything about any of them. Is the deal good? Maybe. Is it still somewhat shocking to give an unknown guy that much money? Seems to me that it is. Why aren't you surprised? Oh right - b/c it's the Giants.
But let's grant that the masses come to vent. Does that preclude the masses to also coming to learn and read more reasoned and measured threads?
I didn't realize venting and learning were mutually exclusive concepts.
Apparently not most aka you... That contract of 2 year 8 mil could be if he meets all incentives or back loaded and could be he only gets like 2.5 mil this year or less. You don't know and yet you want to freak out because you don't understand how it works. Have fun with that, but don't be shocked when your 4.4 mil per year comments get slaughter with reality.
Yes the salary cap and contracts aren't complicated at all... please keep it going.
4M sounded worse.
How does the cap hit work? Is it 3 or 4M?
I work in IT for one of the biggest companies you can work for. Big deal unless you are a lawyer a NFL contract is extremely complicated. You don't think he showed up with a post-it note with 2 years for 8 mil on it do you?... Yes please sign here Jerry Reese and you should probably date it.
I don't think the Giants will pay you 10 million bucks, but couldn't hurt to ask
Just a thought.
The David Baas signing was nearly universally loved around here. It worked out to be kind of a mediocre deal. The Lavar Arrington signing was widely praised here, except by those of us who live in the DC area. That was a huge bust. You just don't know. I'm not going to the mat for Schofield, although I do have a good feeling about him for some reason.
All I'm saying is that given what I know about Schofield - which is not much - and given what I know about Reese - that he usually has a plan and rarely does anything crazy - I think that it's really misguided to immediately conclude that this is some kind of horrible deal.
More details actually tell you what he will be paid. Would you bitch if he only gets 1-2 mil when its all said and done?
Based on your reaction you were going to flip out no matter what just because you have never heard of him