I'm guessing there's still a little left in the bank, and there's moves to be made if we need to borrow some from next year if we find someone we can't live without. However, we're about in that phase where the sexy moves are minimum wage youngsters and min wage vets who might have a little something left. MM likely fits in that category.
and was far and away their best after the catch WR. he is a fine 3rd wideout. this team needs depth at the positions.
I said in my offseason plan that this season would hinge on current giants....beatty, randle, Jernigan, and JPP. they all need to step up, especially beatty, randle, and JPP in order for this team to be good.
this team was never going to sign a premium WR. too many holes and too little cap space. it's time for the in-house solutions to step up.
my WR plan was to bring in a vet for low money to push Jernigan and randle and draft a guy. that appears to be exactly what will happen.
sure, mm had some great catches (and has been pointed out earlier, one of the greatest in g history) but if his speed has been compromised, what's his advantage? he frequently ran wrong routes when he was here. was often not on the same page as eli and a lot of the time wasn't smart enough to make good reads off the line. reuben r stepped right into his shoes there. i don't have to remind you guys that next year will be a NEW system. the routes will be different, pacing will be different, hell ... the play names won't even be the same. so it won't really be like "coming home". i'm not sure mm can handle all this new stuff. he would have to come really cheap for me to get excited.
I loved what MM did for us here, but this is all a matter of respect to him for what he did here and a courtesy to him. He may very well get a training camp invite type of contract (much like Hillis), but he's not being penciled in as any kind of solution or even depth WR.
Manningham is pretty much finished as an NFL caliber WR. The injuries with SF have done him in, for a guy, who was never the most consistent to begin with.
I loved what MM did for us here, but this is all a matter of respect to him for what he did here and a courtesy to him. He may very well get a training camp invite type of contract (much like Hillis), but he's not being penciled in as any kind of solution or even depth WR.
Manningham is pretty much finished as an NFL caliber WR. The injuries with SF have done him in, for a guy, who was never the most consistent to begin with.
Wow pretty rough. Guess you are a doctor and have all his medical history records!
bone to pick with you and think you take this and make this way too personal. Let's leave it at that.I've seen many of your posts this doesn't fit your norm. You having a bad day?
Assuming the knee checks out, if you say don't like this move
then it can't be Manningham that you have a problem with, it has to be Reese. Heres a guy who Eli is super comfortable throwing the ball to, who knows the system, can be plugged right into a WR corps that is depleted with Nick's departure, can go deep, made some of the biggest plays in their last SB run, and can probably be had on a one year/vet minimum deal. And if he somehow forgot how to play football, he can be cut in camp. Please, enlighten me, what could possibly be wrong with this?
I can only assume he was not yet fully healed and they wanted to see if he could contribute in the playoffs and when they realized he couldn't they shut him down
With the players we have signed and the players we are still looking at it appears our team doctors are on overtime. If the doctors think that Mario and others are ready to play at a high level, then why not? It appears the organization will trust their doctors here. It is surprising how many injured players we have been involved with.
then it can't be Manningham that you have a problem with, it has to be Reese. Heres a guy who Eli is super comfortable throwing the ball to, who knows the system, can be plugged right into a WR corps that is depleted with Nick's departure, can go deep, made some of the biggest plays in their last SB run, and can probably be had on a one year/vet minimum deal. And if he somehow forgot how to play football, he can be cut in camp. Please, enlighten me, what could possibly be wrong with this?
Don't put words in my mouth. I have no issue with Reese and have defended him across numerous threads from the resident mouthbreathers. I think he's put together a solid B to B- offseason thus far.
My issue with this hinges on two major factors. First, he's coming off a serious knee injury and he wasnt all that explosive to begin with. His game was predicated on elusiveness and cutting ability. This isnt a guard or DT we're talking about.
Secondly, while he did make some big plays for us, he got by on pure athleticism. How many times did he let himself get run out of bounds and the play would get called back? How many times did we collectively curse him knowing that he ran the wrong route or make a bad read? And while he knew the offense, kind of, it's not the same offense we'll be running next season. That'll be three different offense in 4 years.
If the deal is anything more than a year at minimum, it just seems rather risky to me.
productive anymore. On the plus side the system is different so he won't be hanging Eli out to dry. We have RR for that now.
Yeah, like the way he "hung Eli out to dry" against San Francisco in the NFC Championship game and against New England in the Super Bowl. Jesus.
Are you new to our offense? Try watching the countless other times he fucked up. Its on tape its not like this shit is made up. He made two key plays and I am thankful for it. Doesn't mean I want him back .
I like this. The thing I remembered while he was here it is that "he made plays when we needed them". Quite different than some of the drones we have that just play a role, but don't make big impact.
"he doesn't know the offense" like that matters. Nobody knows the offense, but there's a good chance he'll "get it" like everybody else. He's not some mentally challenged special needs adult.
RE: It's kind of worrisome that people are throwing around
"he doesn't know the offense" like that matters. Nobody knows the offense, but there's a good chance he'll "get it" like everybody else. He's not some mentally challenged special needs adult.
Yeah, except that some guy ^^^ said Mario knowing the offense is a plus. And yes, he did make a ton of mental mistakes during his time here.
Yes he made "the catch" I get it. But he bolted for the $. We owe him shit and he is way past his prime. Humor him for an interview but let's get some young receivers in here not retreads!!!
There is such a thing as football smarts, but MM was notoriously bad at learning the offense. Maybe a new offense would be easier to digest, but I think it's a worrisome point. Not as worrisome as the condition of his knee, though.
He shredded his knee in December 2012. You would think that he wouldn't be back healthy until now anyway. He doesn't have the knowledge of the offense as Gilbride is gone but he does have a better rapport with Eli than probably anybody on the team except Cruz.
He was the third receiver here after putting up good numbers the year before in some games serving as the number 1. He left to get a chance for more playing time and dollars. Nothing wrong there.
If his knee checks out fine, I think he is back. Something to keep in mind was that even before the big injury, he had some knee problems (tendinitis?) that caused him to miss time.
Just too much on BBI about MM and his 6 on the Wonderlic. Few remember that he was NOT represented by an agent when he took the test. Most (all) these draftable players have agents working with them on being in great shape for specific field agility tests, practicing interviews AND prepping for the Wonderlic.
I would be the last to say that MM is going to be one of the smarter guys in any locker room, but fans need to remember that he just walked in cold and took the Wonderlic. No agent, no practice tests. I am sure that with an agent and some Wonderlic prep work, his score might have been somewhat higher and therefore a non-issue on BBI
when healthy which is always a valuable skill. He isn't the best at going up and getting the ball in traffic, he's at his best when he creates separation. I want Eli to have a guy who is great on toss-ups and 50-50 deep balls, Mike Evans can be that guy for Eli. Shockey, Plax, and Nicks were all great at going up and getting it. Mario is a very quick player but he's not someone who can physically overpower DBs and bully them the way a true #1 should do in the NFL.
Mario made some clutch plays for us and I'll always be a fan. But he has always been an inconsistent big play receiver who is closer to a #3WR than a #1. After his SB performance of course I'd love to see him back on this team on a fair contract, but I would still consider drafting a WR in the 1st.
proves that Eli is now player-coach status. What is involved here is trust. It's not McCoattails at work here. Randle represented a major cognitive failure last year. If this is a bonafide WCO that they're installing, learning the route options will be even harder than last year's offense. One rather obvious deduction that you can draw from '13 is that Eli grew very discontent with Randle. Said this last week: trust is a good thing
Manningham gets criminally underrated for his 2011-12 season
a) he played through knee injuries all season and counting the post season he had 7 TD's in 16 games.
b) I think he caught about 8 lofted fades over his shoulder in the back corner of the end zone - I remember at least 3-5 botched calls as OOB, including 2 in one game - and quite simply that is one of Eli's best throws.
c) the TD in the 49er game
d) and obviously the catch in the SB.
If he can pass a physical I'd welcome him back for the minimum open arms. I thought he actually looked decent the couple times I saw him as a 49er.
Yes he made "the catch" I get it. But he bolted for the $. We owe him shit and he is way past his prime. Humor him for an interview but let's get some young receivers in here not retreads!!!
Just shut the fuck up. If they do sign him, it'll be a min. deal. He didn't bolt for big $. If he checks out it's low risk, high reward. Get a grip
An absolute great signing. When you look at who we had on our WR depth chart last season, if Mario is healthy and you don't think it is an upgrade, we'll have to agree to disagree here. From Louis Murphy on down, we need to upgrade. Bringing Mario back would be fantastic.
not clear is why he was put on IR again last year. He tore the ACL and PCL the year before - that's pretty serious. He came back, but was put on IR again. Harbaugh wouldn't say why. http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/12/49ers-place-mario-manningham-on-injured-reserve.html - ( New Window )
Yeah, that was a big mystery too.
Manningham had a big practice right before the Jags game in London, and it was a rather emotional return. It seemed like all would be well with him like it was for Crabtree.
He made one or two catches against the Panthers regular season game, and was nowhere to be seen afterwards. It didn't seem too crazy at the time because of the lack of 3 WR sets, and Crabtree and Boldin as starters.
Rushed back too soon. Not his fault....there was some desperation at WR position.
Will miss the guy. Was a very good player when healthy and acclimated to the system.
I said in my offseason plan that this season would hinge on current giants....beatty, randle, Jernigan, and JPP. they all need to step up, especially beatty, randle, and JPP in order for this team to be good.
this team was never going to sign a premium WR. too many holes and too little cap space. it's time for the in-house solutions to step up.
my WR plan was to bring in a vet for low money to push Jernigan and randle and draft a guy. that appears to be exactly what will happen.
I would love to meet you. How long are visit hours at the local nut house?
I just have been through this so many years with ungrateful fucks on this board. The Giants are a 1st class organization with some major dipshit fans.
Manningham is pretty much finished as an NFL caliber WR. The injuries with SF have done him in, for a guy, who was never the most consistent to begin with.
Manningham is pretty much finished as an NFL caliber WR. The injuries with SF have done him in, for a guy, who was never the most consistent to begin with.
Wow pretty rough. Guess you are a doctor and have all his medical history records!
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/12/49ers-place-mario-manningham-on-injured-reserve.html - ( New Window )
Not sure why Anish posted "he isn't productive anymore." He's barely played since leaving NY.
Don't put words in my mouth. I have no issue with Reese and have defended him across numerous threads from the resident mouthbreathers. I think he's put together a solid B to B- offseason thus far.
My issue with this hinges on two major factors. First, he's coming off a serious knee injury and he wasnt all that explosive to begin with. His game was predicated on elusiveness and cutting ability. This isnt a guard or DT we're talking about.
Secondly, while he did make some big plays for us, he got by on pure athleticism. How many times did he let himself get run out of bounds and the play would get called back? How many times did we collectively curse him knowing that he ran the wrong route or make a bad read? And while he knew the offense, kind of, it's not the same offense we'll be running next season. That'll be three different offense in 4 years.
If the deal is anything more than a year at minimum, it just seems rather risky to me.
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productive anymore. On the plus side the system is different so he won't be hanging Eli out to dry. We have RR for that now.
Yeah, like the way he "hung Eli out to dry" against San Francisco in the NFC Championship game and against New England in the Super Bowl. Jesus.
Are you new to our offense? Try watching the countless other times he fucked up. Its on tape its not like this shit is made up. He made two key plays and I am thankful for it. Doesn't mean I want him back .
Yeah, except that some guy ^^^ said Mario knowing the offense is a plus. And yes, he did make a ton of mental mistakes during his time here.
Dan Marino: 15
AJ Green: 10
Ryan Leaf: 27
Blaine Gabbert: 42
Ray Lewis: 13, and he outsmarted an entire police force.
well we better get rid of Cruz then... cause he is 28 by the start of the season... and just had a knee surgery..
He was the third receiver here after putting up good numbers the year before in some games serving as the number 1. He left to get a chance for more playing time and dollars. Nothing wrong there.
If his knee checks out fine, I think he is back. Something to keep in mind was that even before the big injury, he had some knee problems (tendinitis?) that caused him to miss time.
I would be the last to say that MM is going to be one of the smarter guys in any locker room, but fans need to remember that he just walked in cold and took the Wonderlic. No agent, no practice tests. I am sure that with an agent and some Wonderlic prep work, his score might have been somewhat higher and therefore a non-issue on BBI
Mario made some clutch plays for us and I'll always be a fan. But he has always been an inconsistent big play receiver who is closer to a #3WR than a #1. After his SB performance of course I'd love to see him back on this team on a fair contract, but I would still consider drafting a WR in the 1st.
b) I think he caught about 8 lofted fades over his shoulder in the back corner of the end zone - I remember at least 3-5 botched calls as OOB, including 2 in one game - and quite simply that is one of Eli's best throws.
c) the TD in the 49er game
d) and obviously the catch in the SB.
If he can pass a physical I'd welcome him back for the minimum open arms. I thought he actually looked decent the couple times I saw him as a 49er.
Just shut the fuck up. If they do sign him, it'll be a min. deal. He didn't bolt for big $. If he checks out it's low risk, high reward. Get a grip
Yeah, that was a big mystery too.
Manningham had a big practice right before the Jags game in London, and it was a rather emotional return. It seemed like all would be well with him like it was for Crabtree.
He made one or two catches against the Panthers regular season game, and was nowhere to be seen afterwards. It didn't seem too crazy at the time because of the lack of 3 WR sets, and Crabtree and Boldin as starters.
Rushed back too soon. Not his fault....there was some desperation at WR position.
Will miss the guy. Was a very good player when healthy and acclimated to the system.
Tom Coughlin