A. Barr for us?

He played in the 3/4 in college people fear he won't translate to our defense, like Clint sintim. I think he would play a similar role to von miller in our 4/3 and be great.

...if he lasts 'til #12 which is by no means certain.

And are you certain. If the answer is yes he's a possibility. If not move on.

Could play 43 de. Just seems like a pick the giants would make IMO

He is going to bust if asked to play in a 4-3 scheme. Not nearly stout enough against the run. Will get manhandled.

Not in the 1st, of course, although he'll likely be gone well before 43. Seems to me to be a good WLB prospect. Thoughts?

its just that the natural transition of his ability is as a 3-4 pass rusher..

However I have read many that believe he could play as a SAM in a 4-3.. Von Miller is a good idea of what he could become playing as a LB in a 4-3.. I am not saying he is Von Miller.. I am saying that at best thats how he could project..

The biggest problem is that he has only been playing defense for two years.. but his upside because of his athleticism is huge..

at #12 the Giants would have to strongly consider him if he were there..

In comment 11573565 Blue Blood said:

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its just that the natural transition of his ability is as a 3-4 pass rusher.. The biggest problem is that he has only been playing defense for two years.. but his upside because of his athleticism is huge.. at #12 the Giants would have to strongly consider him if he were there..

I wouldn't gamble with my 1st rounder that he'd be an excellent player in a scheme he's never played in. Perhaps with my 2nd rounder... of course he'd never make it to #43 though.

Von Miller plays well in a 4-3.. although in college he played mostly in a 3-4..

Barr's physical ability is what has him at the top of the draft.. he might not even reach #12..

Now I wouldnt draft him @ 12 depending on who was on the board at the time..

players come out of college all the time and are switched to positions they are better suited for..

College DE's become LB's...Tackles get moved to guards.. its just a question of whether you think he has the ability..

again.. if he can be a Von Miller who is a 4-3 rush linebacker.. then you have a gem..

If a player's got it, they've got it. Simtim sucked in any system, be it 3-4 or 4-3. If Barr likes getting thrashed around like a car wreck 25 times a game and he has the football iq and talent to thrive in the nfl, the system won't matter. You either can play or you can't play. At the end of the day it's still just a game.

Our secondary is in place if we can augment the pass rush enough this defense could be special. The issue becomes balance. We have needs on offense and Eli is the franchise. OL, TE and WR need to be fortified. If we select Barr do we have enough premium draft resources to augment the offense as necessary? It will be interesting to watch it play out draft weekend.

on every 3-4 LB we've tried to convert. Torbor, Sintim, Tracy... And Barr may not be able to get off blocks at the next level.

he's enough of a risk at his natural 3-4 LB position.

DE: JPP, Jenkins
NT: Hankins

LB: Kiwi, Moore, Beason, and Barr (assuming they draft him)

In fact, I think if they draft Barr, their personnel is a better fit for a 3-4 than a 4-3.

at all.. but people keep saying it over and over..

with blueblood...

we are in no way suited to play a 3-4... The only guy that could fit is Cullen Jenkins playing a DE spot, but even our LB's are not 3-4 guys - only exception is McClain - but you need stout DE's and a true NG to play a 3-4 to free up the pass rushing OLB's. We have none of that here.

In comment 11573549 yatqb said:

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Not in the 1st, of course, although he'll likely be gone well before 43. Seems to me to be a good WLB prospect. Thoughts?

If they trade down in the first, I would definitely consider it. But they won't.

the more I become absolutely enamored with this Chris Borland kid. Not sure what round he'd go

SAM role. He would play it much better than what we have seen out of Kiwanuka. The question is what they do with him on passing downs. He'd be a nice player to have in that situation considering our lack of edge talent. He is definitely in play for #12 overall.

He'll have to get stronger,

....Cokeduplt On BBI? That's Disgraceful.

I do not think they will anyway because he is a "Project" and John Maras edict about drafting more so called ready to play players.
Reese is making moves as if his Job is on the line (which it probably is) so most likely an offensive player who can step in and contribute this year.

Reese brings in Schofield and Spencer for visitis, with Schofield getting a contract but then failing his physical. The strength of both of these LB is their pass rush ability. Also, think Von Miller as some have suggested. SLB on 1st and 2nd down, edge rusher on 3rd down.go watch some YouTube on him. He is not as " Raw " as people are saying.

For those saying they won't switch to the 3-4, fine they may not, but you really can't say they don't have the peresonnel. The only Player the 100% doesn't fit the 3-4 mold is JPP, his strength is a 4-3 End. But Hankins was considered a good candidate to be a NT in 3-4 coming out of college. Kiwi and Mooore would be good OLB, and McClain, Beason, Paysinger would ILB.

I believe Barr could be a RDE in a 4-3. If you are saying he is to light in the pants I disagree. Osi was playing around 255 lbs. even Strahans last year he was in the same weight range. Jason Taylor played at 250 lbs. Barr is 6' 4 1/2" 255 lbs and can run a 4.4 40 yard dash. Who would want that on their defense.

Think impact defensive player. That's what Barr is.

Barr looks skinny to me more like a big safety then a linemen. Give me mighty mite Aaron Donald. Leads college defensive players in sacks from the DT position. Runs a 4.6 40 at 285 pounds. This guy is gonna be a player. Hankins, D. Moore and AD with or without JPP in the future is a real athletic start to a young DL with potential for greatness.

In comment 11573670 Allen in NJ said:

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with blueblood... we are in no way suited to play a 3-4... The only guy that could fit is Cullen Jenkins playing a DE spot, but even our LB's are not 3-4 guys - only exception is McClain - but you need stout DE's and a true NG to play a 3-4 to free up the pass rushing OLB's. We have none of that here.

Don't forget a decent backup NT just in case your fatty goes down. It does happen.

There is not as big of a transition for him to play outside in a 4-3. I think Bar should get consideration from our staff. However , like most of the players int he draft I haven't seen enough of him to make an assessment.

If he bulked up can play DE IMO, still don't wanna chance it although I think he's extremely talented. With his pro day he may be picked b4 Mack

if someone uses a pick to take Barr before us. Barr and all the QBs is the dream. Want nothing to do with Barr.