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King Saul : 3/19/2014 11:33 am
Lots of people saying we need to grab E. Ebron at #12. Not sure he will be BPA. Wondering the real difference between Ebron and A. S.Jenkins (2-3 round) or even Troy Niklas (in the 3rd or 4th round). How much really of a drop off is there from one to another?
PaulN : 3/19/2014 11:38 am : link
Is a guy that would make sense on paper, but his combine numbers do not jump off the page at you, that is for certain, plus he does not block, which in our new system may not be as important, but just keep one thing in mind, Coughlin is still here, and I am not so sure he will want a tight end that does not block with the 12th pick.
I'd look at...  
chrispisano66 : 3/19/2014 11:50 am : link
Evans/Donald in round 1 and then grab Niklas or C.J. Fedo in rounds 2-4.
Niklas seems to be  
Bill in UT : 3/19/2014 11:53 am : link
the most complete player in the group. Good receiver, excellent blocker. He probably won't last to round 3.
Csonka : 3/19/2014 11:55 am : link
Are we done waiting on A Robinson, the "JPP of TE's"? What's the consensus on him now?
It's too early to give up on Robinson  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2014 11:59 am : link
Yes he had a frustrating year last season but we all knew he was extremely raw when drafted. He hopefully will show huge improvements over OTA's, minicamp, and training camp.
I think the fans  
cokeduplt : 3/19/2014 12:00 pm : link
Have given up on Robinson but I don't think the team has. I still have hopes for him, that being said I'd love Nikolas in rd 2 or 3
chrispisano - I think that's exactly what's in play at the Giants FO  
cosmicj : 3/19/2014 12:03 pm : link
Re Adrian Robinson, the situation isn't nearly as bad as many BBIers are making it out to be and the general sense of impatience is... what's the word? misplaced.

Robinson wasn't expected to contribute in his rookie season. He was having a very good training camp last season when a serious foot injury derailed his sophomore season. He returned to the field in December, obviously much too quickly, and reinjured himself. Note that this is a guy without a major injury in his football career, so we aren't talking about someone with a track record of fragility.
If the Giants want a TE who will hep out the OL  
yatqb : 3/19/2014 12:10 pm : link
while also being a threat in the passing game, Ebron's not it. If they want a pure pass-catching TE, he fits the bill, although I don't see him as worthy of the 12th pick.

I'd much rather land Niklas or Fiedorowicz in later rounds than take Ebron at 12.
The question comes down to value  
sjnyfan : 3/19/2014 12:25 pm : link
Is he head and shoulders better than the rest of the field that it warrants the 12th pick vs. a TE in the later rounds? I don't think so. People look at his frame and a few highlight reels and think Jimmy Graham or "today's NFL", but I don't see him going that high. For all of his amazing catches, he has too many inexcusable drops for me. He's a better blocker than given credit for but far from the best in this class. This may not matter as much in McAdoo's O as Gilbride's but only time will tell. He's not even the most explosive TE to me. That would go to Oregon's Colt Lyerla or Tennessee St.'s AC Leonard. If not for their background I'd be more inclined to take them (Leonard I'd still take a flyer on in late Day 3).

Is Ebron the #1 TE in this class? I have no problem saying that. But is he the #12 overall talent? No and just because it's a glaring need at the moment doesn't mean we reach for it either. JR always speaks about a mix of value and need. Picking Ebron would go against those principles. There are several other TE's in this group that can be strong contributors in their rookie season I'd rather have.
If Ebron is not good at blocking  
nicky43 : 3/19/2014 12:27 pm : link
he's really not a Tight end in my book. There is so much more versatility a blocking TE adds that I wouldn't consider one who doesn't block well.

I hope we wait till round 3 or higher before we look for a tight end.
Not a huge difference between Ebron and Amaro  
jeff57 : 3/19/2014 12:28 pm : link
If Amaro were available at 43, I'd strongly consider it. Jenkins too. But Feidorowicz at 74 might be the best value.
Don't see Ebron being picked  
Beer Man : 3/19/2014 12:33 pm : link
Based on JR's draft history, he doesn't generally deem the TE postion worthy of a 1st round pick. He always seems to take the attitude that decent TEs can be picked up later in the draft or via bargin FAs.
Julian Thomas from Denver came alive in year 3  
Reale01 : 3/19/2014 12:35 pm : link
Maybe it is A Robinson's time to shine? This will be a make it or break it year for him. Too early to give up but a solid plan B is needed if he is plan A.
Niklas gets the Dropseys  
SalTony56 : 3/19/2014 12:58 pm : link
He may be a good blocker but as I watched in various ND games last year he is not totally sure handed.
He is NOT 1st or 2nd round material.

What I like about Ebron he can catch the high throws and run very well after catch. He reminds of Vernon Davis (not saying he will be)
While I'm not going to suggest any of the top 3 guys  
Sir-Yes-Sir : 3/19/2014 1:11 pm : link
Ebron, Amaro, and Jenkins are polished and effective blockers, I think it's gotten way too free around here to say that none of them can block worth a lick.

The college game is different, and from clips I've seen all 3 have shown an ability and a willingness to block. Work needs to be done and they all need to improve consistency, but too early to say they all will never be able to
It all depends on how our new OC plans to use the TE  
ZogZerg : 3/19/2014 1:15 pm : link
If he wants a TE that can create match-up problems then maybe he wants Ebron. Blocking isn't rocket science. He can certainly improve in that field.
Donald is a guy that just jumps out at you on tape.....  
Simms11 : 3/19/2014 1:19 pm : link
at #12. I think, although not the prototypical DT the Giants look at in a 4-3, he could be a real difference maker. He just makes plays - strong and athletic. I think he might even be too quick for NFL Guards. He uses his hands well and has good burst. he can be very disruptive. A guy you want in the middle of your D IMHO.
I think Donald is better value at #12....  
Simms11 : 3/19/2014 1:25 pm : link
and would consider one of the other TEs in Round 2
Nicklas isn't lasting until round 3  
The_Taxman : 3/19/2014 2:02 pm : link
Absolutely no chance that happens. I'd definitely take him in the 2nd round. He'd start for us right out of the gate. He has NFL size, strength, hands, and blocking ability. He just needs to work on a few things. He's not the most athletic TE in the draft, but for a guy who's 6'7", 275, he has good speed an athleticism. I'd go Donald, Martin, or Lewan in the 1st and Niklas in the 2nd.
Ed A. : 3/19/2014 2:51 pm : link
You nailed it. I like him or Martin at 12.
Don't see Giants  
Doomster : 3/19/2014 4:36 pm : link
going TE with their first pick....OL and DL needs help....
There is  
TMS : 3/19/2014 6:25 pm : link
no TE in this draft worth the 12th pick. Ebron does not provide the blocking component to be a two way TE. He is primarily a receiver and not the best one available for that high in the draft. We look later in the draft or at FA after the june 1st cuts. IMO.
1st round pick  
CGiants07 : 3/19/2014 8:44 pm : link
wr,dl or OL
Free Agent : 3/19/2014 9:05 pm : link
I thought Ebron, but I think Evans will be the safest pick at 12.. A productive TE will be available in the 3rd round..
Think we should  
Free Agent : 3/19/2014 9:09 pm : link
Go WR first, offensive line , then defensive tackle
I still like the dark horse, best ...  
Manny in CA : 3/20/2014 11:40 pm : link
Crockett Gilmore. Here's some of what Bob Rang (CBS Sports) says about him

Natural hands for the reception. High-points passes, showing impressive hand-eye coordination, timing on his leap and overall body control. Competitive blocker who gets a solid initial shove on the defender and works to sustain. Shows some nastiness as a blocker, knocking defenders to the ground when he senses them off-balance.

Gillmore's stock is again on the rise as he made some eye-popping grabs as a late injury replacement at the Senior Bowl practices and the game, itself. Considering that he has only played the position for three years, Gillmore offers intriguing upside which could earn him a selection above other, more polished and well-known prospects at the position.

He's probably the best for-the-money TE in the draft - knocks people down, good hands, excellent coordination to make the hard catch and even has some running back jukes ! A mid to late round steal.
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